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Saturday, September 24th, 2011

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  1. #1 |  Packratt | 

    I thought for certain you would have jumped on this one Radley:

    3 Houston TX cops accused of eating teen’s pot brownies then chatting about being high on their dashboard computers:

  2. #2 |  FridayNext | 

    About the girl getting cut story: It certainly seems outrageous and within the realm of the ridiculousness we have seen from schools lately. But as I read the sourcing it is a story told to a woman who then told it to a friend who told the emailer who sent in a report to the blog. That’s pretty thin. I understand that schools have been doing this sort of stupid shit for awhile, I also know how gossip can be spread and evolve and exaggerated in small communities like a parent’s grape vine at a school.

    Lots of other things to be outraged over we KNOW about and have proof. I’ll be angry about those things and put this one on the back burner waiting for evidence, so please bring it on if you can, I couldn’t find anything but fourth hand rumor.

  3. #3 |  EH | 

    I think it’s apparent that the Down Syndrome cops had never heard of a colostomy bag before and honestly had no idea what it could be.

  4. #4 |  FridayNext | 

    EH: I find that odd, as I suspect most cops have been called shitbags most of their careers. : )

  5. #5 |  Windy | 

    I would have to say that this statement in the article does NOT describe the current government of these united States of America, which stomps about the world looking to get into as many fights as it can possibly drum up. What are we going to do about that?
    Here’s the statement in question:
    “One starts to appreciate the small gifts of coexistence that would have seemed utopian to our ancestors: the interracial family playing in the park, the comedian who lands a zinger on the commander in chief, the countries that quietly back away from a crisis instead of escalating to war.”

  6. #6 |  Windy | 

    Re: the State legislators’ pensions
    Well, one way to thwart these situations is to boot legislators out before they reach that point in their political careers (which should NOT be careers in the first place) that allow them to take advantage of these situations.

  7. #7 |  BamBam | 

    re: $70 admin fee on $100 speeding ticket, that is the normal mode of operations for The State. I recently dealt with this, and was NEVER told there would be additional $35 and $45 fees until trial time. These figures weren’t on any paperwork, the web site, and no one told me in person when going through “the process” of dealing with The State. EXTORTION

  8. #8 |  BSK | 


    My favorite is the cities/states where an appeal of a ticket that is received on time but is adjudicated after the original deadline is deemed “late”. I’ve had tickets dismissed, yet I still owed an administrative fee AND a late fee, for almost the exact total of the original ticket.

  9. #9 |  TomG | 

    The story about the cops attacking a man with Downs Syndrome over a suspicious bulge in his waistband indicates again that cops place the highest priority on their OWN SAFETY.
    Last time I checked, becoming a LEO was a choice you could decide not to make. Therefore, if you do, the risk of being shot are part of the damn job.
    Shooting any dog near you, assuming that bulges in waistbands are ALWAYS guns, tasering people for resisting arrest just because you have a taser… Stuff has to stop.

  10. #10 |  EH | 

    TomG@#9: The risks of being a cop are only trotted out for PR purposes when the police are under criticism. In practice, any interaction that doesn’t achieve 100% clean compliance will involve violence on the part of the officer(s).

  11. #11 |  the innominate one | 

    How are cops different from gangs again? Other than having governmental authority and the deluded respect of the general populace, I mean. Oh, and we pay their salaries.

    Thank you sir, may I have another?

  12. #12 |  Mike | 

    The cops beat the $#!+ out of a guy with a colostomy bag. THEY WERE CONCERNED!

  13. #13 |  CTAF | 

    Re: the admin fee. That’s an odd outcome. In REAL civil litigation, the court ordinarily assesses “costs” (e.g., filing fees, as distinguished from attorneys’ fees) against the loser.

  14. #14 |  GSL | 

    Irvine, CA: Where peaceably exercising First Amendment rights is a criminal offense. If you’re Muslim.

  15. #15 |  hunter5000 | 

    @#11 –

    pensions & bennies. Cops got gold-plated pensions and solid-gold free bennies. Gangs, not so much.

  16. #16 |  Just Plain Brian | 

    I’m concerned about the police, particularly in light of the item from the morning links the other day that said, “Power corrupts, especially when it lacks status”. If this is how they act now, when they are generally afforded status and respect, what are we in store for when the majority of citizens catch up with whats going on?

  17. #17 |  V-Man | 


    That would be the case if this was actual litigation. This is a tax, and the judicial trappings they put around it is just to make sure the proles do not get too pissed off.

    Mark my word — if, somehow, everyone in town decided to start observing speed limits and parking rules to the letter, tickets would still be given. The State must be fed.

    (I’m actually surprised that the fees are not equal to the ticket’s amount, but maybe that would be just /too/ obvious.)

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  20. #20 |  Windy | 

    JP Brian, that’s my concern, too.

  21. #21 |  CyniCAl | 

    Steven Pinker should stick to language. He doesn’t know shit about violence. He might try reading The Agitator on a regular basis to begin his understanding, especially as regards cops.

  22. #22 |  jdb | 

    Pinker has a strong understanding of violence. The thesis of his TED Talk–that the monopoly of violence afforded the state is a necessary and stabilizing good for the emergence of prosperity–also happens to be one of the core tenets of minarchism.

    The fact that this site and its community’s zero-tolerance policy to statist and police abuses exist at all points to the truth of his claims. No one would bat an eye at the police pummeling a handicapped individual if daily life were filled with worse abuses.

  23. #23 |  ClubMedSux | 

    On a small scale, I can see the evolution from a violence-based society to a non-violent one in my own family. My grandfather’s generation fought about everything–whether you’re talking corporal punishment at home and in school or brawls in the street. My dad and his brothers still got into their fair share of fights, but it was nothing like what I heard from my grandpa, and other than very infrequent spankings there was no violence in our house. As for me, I haven’t been in a fight since high school, and I’d never so much as slap my kids on the wrist. I think it’s no coincidence that our family’s evolution from violence to non-violence was accompanied by educational and economic growth, and my micro-scale observation seems consistent with what Pinker observes on the macro-scale.

  24. #24 |  mad libertarian guy | 

    What Pinter fails to point out is that while perhaps the level of violence has been lowered as a result of the state, something to which I’m willing to stipulate, is that the violence, though less, has been transferred from being between individuals to being between the state and its citizens. While violence between individuals is lower, violence perpetrated by cops on the populace is higher. About 150 times a day cops bull rush homes in full military regalia, using military hardware, oftentimes without doing so much as 10 seconds worth of investigation in order to be sure that their course if action is appropriate.

    And the cops get special treatment which makes them all but immune from prosecution.

    I’m not sure which is worse: more violence between individuals, or less violence where much of it being perpetrated by actors against which you have very little recourse.

  25. #25 |  croaker | 

    @1 “Executive Assistant Chief Mike Dirden admits, incidents like this can put “the integrity of the department at risk.”

    No. Really?

    As far as the colostomy-bag beat-down is concerned, I would not be unhappy if the officers were tied naked to a St Andrew’s Cross and the family given TASERs and five minutes per officer.

    Testosterone/steriods is the problem. Castration is the solution. Want to be a cop? You get to keep your balls in a clay jug.

  26. #26 |  H. Rearden | 

    #22 | mad libertarian guy
    And the cops get special treatment which makes them all but immune from prosecution.

    And when, in the history of governments, has this not been the case?

    Although I agree with your sentiments, I have a feeling that the occurrence of violence perpetrated by the state against it’s citizens is at a historical low.

  27. #27 |  Mattocracy | 

    “How state lawmakers pump up their own pensions.”

    I first read that as lawmakers pumping up their own penises.

  28. #28 |  John C. Randolph | 

    The risks of being a cop are only trotted out for PR purposes when the police are under criticism.

    As I recall, the most dangerous job in America is commercial fishing, followed by logging, flying, farming, and mining. Cops were somewhere behind truckers.


  29. #29 |  CyniCAl | 

    @#24 | mad libertarian guy — You are absolutely 100% correct mlg.

    What Pinker fails to understand is that violence is conserved, just like mass and energy. If there is less violence at the individual level, then the violence transfers to the State level. It’s that simple. What goes unremarked, however, is that the State acts as an amplifier of violence, being capable of carrying out violence on scales impossible for and practically unimaginable by the human individual (nuclear war, conventional war, etc.).

    This is why I advocate for the devolution of power to the individual level, or at least as close to it as possible, so that the insane megadeath capacity of State violence is distributed more evenly. Call me nuts if you want, but the hundreds of millions of victims of State violence can’t call me nuts because they’re DEAD.

  30. #30 |  CyniCAl | 

    #26 | H. Rearden — “Although I agree with your sentiments, I have a feeling that the occurrence of violence perpetrated by the state against its citizens is at a historical low.”

    Pardon me for butting in, but Hank, baby, I think you’re anaesthetized. And as long as there is a State, the State reserves the power to kill according to its judgment. And there’s nothing you can do about it.

  31. #31 |  JOR | 

    Pinker’s probably right that we have less violence (even less state-on-mundane violence) than there has been in some past societies, but he has cause and effect mostly wrong. And some of his supposed data is incredibly weak. We just don’t have the remains of a good sample of the human population of 5,000 years ago, let alone earlier, and the people who tended to be well preserved in graves were artistocrats – which is to say, professional warriors. And of course people who died in large numbers at around the same time in ‘sites’ were often warriors participating in a battle. Of course most of the people who die in a battle die violently.

  32. #32 |  Sean L. | 

    So, a court can charge me an administration fee to clear up a fine for a crime I didn’t commit. That’s a great idea! I think I’ll start an appliance repair shop, then bill people for no reason. When they call to clear up the bill, I can charge them an administration fee to process their complaint!

    What a country!

  33. #33 |  ShelbyC | 

    It looks like the ticket guy waived the winning argument. The court is right, it’s not an equal protection violation, it’s a due process violation.