We’re Going To Molest You. And Then We’re Going To Make You Pay for It.

Wednesday, September 7th, 2011

Last April, journalist Amy Alkon reported on her blog that she had been sexually assaulted by a TSA agent, albeit under the implicit authority of the federal government.

Nearing the end of this violation, I sobbed even louder as the woman, FOUR TIMES, stuck the side of her gloved hand INTO my vagina, through my pants. Between my labia. She really got up there. Four times. Back right and left, and front right and left. In my vagina. Between my labia. I was shocked — utterly unprepared for how she got the side of her hand up there. It was government-sanctioned sexual assault.

Upon leaving, still sobbing, I yelled to the woman, “YOU RAPED ME.” And I took her name to see if I could file sexual assault charges on my return. This woman, and all of those who support this system deserve no less than this sort of unpleasant experience, and from all of us.

That TSA agent is now demanding 500,000 for the distress she claims to have suffered from Alkon’s words. The Popehat link has much, much more.

Meanwhile, in New Mexico:

A woman in the state of New Mexico is asking cops to cover her medical bill after she was ordered by the Metro Narcotics Agency of Las Cruces, NM to undergo a costly cavity search — at her own expense.

The woman, whose name is being withheld, was apprehended by authorities earlier this summer. Acting on “credible information from a reliable source,” Metro Sgt. Mike Alba obtained a search warrant from Magistrate Court to send the woman into Memorial Medical Center to undergo a forcible and thorough body cavity search.

Not only did the probe come up fruitless, however, but the woman was footed with a medical bill for $1,122 for something she never wanted or asked for.

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101 Responses to “We’re Going To Molest You. And Then We’re Going To Make You Pay for It.”

  1. #1 |  Ken | 

    Dammit. You beat me to connecting those two. Too slow.

  2. #2 |  Michael Pack | 

    Because of the ‘war on terror’ every one flying is treated as a threat and the ‘war on drugs’ means any information from any source(i.e people looking for a deal or cops playing dealer and (or) buyer) can land you in jail and leave you with out your basic rights.Feel safer?The only way to possibly enforce these laws is to burn the constitution.

  3. #3 |  Yizmo Gizmo | 

    On the TSA-holes:
    “We were just doing our job/following orders.”
    Didn’t that explanation sort of get debunked back in Nuremberg?
    If this guy was going by the book, there’s something wrong with the book.
    I like a Dutch guy’s response to these assaults on youtube: “You Americans need to unionize– if they pulled that shit at the airport with us we’d shut the whole damn country down.”

  4. #4 |  Randy | 

    New Mexico –

    You have to love the WOD. Pass and enforce immoral laws, then charge citizens for the enforcement expenses when they come under suspicion for violating said immoral laws.

    To quite Louie Anderson: I feel like I’m taking crazy pills!

  5. #5 |  Name Nomad | 

    Yizmo @ #3: You’re forgetting that most Americans don’t care (most don’t even fly more often than every few years and a majority think that measures like these keep them “safe”) and, even if they did, wouldn’t bother doing something about it.

  6. #6 |  Joey Maloney | 

    If Amy Alkon is a journalist, I’m the Queen of Rumania.

    Sadly, what she describes is perfectly believable and credible. But knowing her record it’s equally believable that she’s full of shit.

  7. #7 |  Veritas | 

    Really… I mean, WTF New Mexico? Are you getting jealous of Arizona’s crazy crown?

    How far do you suppose it is down the slope from “Pay for your own forced cavity search.” to “You owe us $x.xx for the bullets we fired into your house.”?

  8. #8 |  Dave Krueger | 

    Discussions about the TSA seem to always be based on the false premise that the Fourth Amendment still has meaning.

  9. #9 |  Brandon | 

    Expected popular response: Well, it hasn’t happened to me yet, so you must be exaggerating/have done something suspicious/be overreacting.

    Expected official response: Whose side are you on? Do you want the terrorists to win? Do you have something to hide?

  10. #10 |  Zeb | 

    Perhaps I am too nit-picky, but when people are making public accusations of sexual assault, they should at least use the proper names of the involved body parts. They did not put their fingers in her vagina. Not that that makes any better what happened, but come on people, learn the proper names of your body parts. Putting fingers in someone’s vagina has a very specific meaning, and is not what happened here, according to Alkon’s own account.

  11. #11 |  Dave Krueger | 

    I think the TSA theory of pat downs goes something like this: As long as it’s official government business and it’s being done by someone of the same sex, it’s not sexual assault.

    Of course, if it were really professional, it wouldn’t matter what the sex of the TSA agent is any more than it matters what the sex of your doctor is.

    Luckily, we will soon have a chance to replace most of the politicians who support the TSA’s behavior, sending a message to Washington that we won’t put up with stuff like this. Or, at least we would if the destruction of the Bill of Rights actually registered on the voter and mainstream media radar.

  12. #12 |  Mannie | 

    The T&A thug is named Thedala Magee. Remember it. Shout it from the rooftops.

  13. #13 |  Zeb | 

    “and it’s being done by someone of the same sex”

    Yeah, that’s a bit funny. If it is not sexual, then why should it matter what the sex of the feeler-upper is? And if it is about making people feel more comfortable, I think that most people of either sex would probably prefer to have a woman do it, given the choice.

    I really see this as having anything to do with sex, though (generally speaking, I’m sure some of these assholes get some stimulation out of it). The problem is that they are going far beyond what is reasonable to do without probable cause or a warrant. The fact that it involves touching private parts is hardly relevant (though it is useful in that it will get more people worked up about it).

  14. #14 |  Zeb | 

    “really don’t see this as having anything to do with sex…”

  15. #15 |  Katie A. | 

    Sorry Zeb, reading Amy’s account, the TSA agent put her fingers “INTO my vagina, through my pants. Between my labia. She really got up there.”

    How is that not into her vagina? Just because someone’s not bumping into her cervix, doesn’t mean she didn’t enter her vagina. How far do the hands have to go in to be considered penetration?

  16. #16 |  Leah | 

    Zeb – Saying “between my labia” and “she really got up there” seems to indicate vaginal penetration to me. And really even if it wasn’t, using the colloquially-accepted “vagina” instead of medical terminology “vulva” is definitely unnecessarily nit-picky to me. Perhaps if this were the legal documents it might cause a problem, I guess, but I don’t really see how it’s any less disgusting either way.

  17. #17 |  Elliot | 

    Joey Maloney (#6): “If Amy Alkon is a journalist, I’m the Queen of Rumania[sic].”

    Amy Alkon is published in over 100 newspapers. Do you often spend time in Eastern Europe walking around in drag?

    But knowing her record it’s equally believable that she’s full of shit.“</blockquote.

    Could you give examples of "her record" which make you question her credibility?

  18. #18 |  demize! | 

    Replace “vagina” with “rectum” amd I guarantee you would have no nit picking semantical sophistry if performed on said male sceptic.

  19. #19 |  FTP | 

    As for the New Mexico cavity search, does anyone have anything to say about the medical ethics (or lack thereof)? Is it possible the woman might have a case against the hospital and/or medical staff?

  20. #20 |  Zeb | 

    #15 and 16.

    See, if people would just use the right words for body parts, there wouldn’t be this ambiguity.

    I know it’s fairly common usage and all, but why do people use “vagina” to refer to the whole vulva? That is just as sterile and medical a word as vulva is. At least vulva would be accurate.

  21. #21 |  MRK | 

    Remember girls, when the nice man wearing the uniform says you need to undress and let him touch you, you must comply. Its the law.

    In other news, Costume makers are reporting a huge surge in XXL TSA uniform sales.

  22. #22 |  Zeb | 

    #18, what do I get if your guarantee fails? Beacause I guarantee you that it will. If someone puts their fingers between my buttcheeks (I have in fact undergone such searches in the past, so I know quite well how I would characterize such an experience), I would most certainly not claim that they had put their fingers in my anus. I don’t go around referring to my buttocks as my asshole.

  23. #23 |  JSL | 

    Zeb, its referred to as UFIA. The Alkon case would be UFIV.

  24. #24 |  Katie A. | 

    Zeb, I still see no ambiguity. She said “between my labia” and “she really got up there”. Why are you refusing to believe the TSA agent inserted her fingers into Ms. Alkon’s vagina? Even if her fingers only went in a few millimeters, that’s still penetration.

    You seem to be implying that Ms. Alkon is confusing her vulva with her vagina. People have gotten so used to the vulva grope (shudder) that saying “she pressed her fingers into my vulva” carries no weight anymore (unfortunately). Which is why it’s important to say “she put her fingers into my vagina” if that’s what happened. When you’re expecting a search of your external genitalia and you get someone’s hand inserted INTO YOUR BODY, that’s a big fucking difference.

  25. #25 |  demize! | 

    #22 a finger in your butthole?

  26. #26 |  Warren Bonesteel | 

    The ‘ambiguity’ is that such a search was performed.

    Focus, people. Focus.

  27. #27 |  Zeb | 

    #25, only if I get to choose the finger.

  28. #28 |  Ahmad | 

    @ #3:

    >“We were just doing our job/following orders.”
    >Didn’t that explanation sort of get debunked back in Nuremberg?

    No, it didn’t get “debunked’. Look up the Milgram experiment as well as the Stanford Prison Experiment, that rationale is still quick valid. Many people will do what they are ordered to do without regards for their own views of morality if they believe it be for the “greater good”.

  29. #29 |  Roho | 

    “Don’t fight it son. Confess quickly! If you hold out too long you could jeopardize your credit rating.”

  30. #30 |  plutosdad | 

    #24 | Katie A.
    the reason it’s important is that saying someone can put their finger into either orifice while you are wearing underwear and pants is simply not believable.
    Can you push up against it? yes
    Can you sexually assault someone through the clothes? yes of course
    Can you actually insert anything into an orifice through clothes? I don’t see how, not without ripping through the clothing

    that is why, she distracts from the important point by obfuscating what happened. I have no idea what happened when reading it, because she is stating two different things, and I don’t see how one of them is possible. And by doing that she damages her credibility and also the cause of getting these searches stopped.

  31. #31 |  Charlie O | 

    In-fucking-credible. The TSA story just blows my mind. I refuse to fly. Even on business after nearly getting arrested at the Harrisburg, PA airport. Got to go to Ottawa soon. Told my boss, I’d be driving up. No way I’m putting up with TSA assholes AND Customs assholes in a single trip.

    I hate to say it, but people need start getting violent. Very violent. These cocksuckers with badges (and I mean all of them) are like stubborn mules, the only way to get their attention is to slap them upside the head with a two-by-four.

  32. #32 |  Katie A. | 

    Maybe you don’t find is believable, but I do. I happen to own a similar piece of anatomy, and if I was wearing loose trousers and thin underwear, yeah, you could poke a finger into my vagina without ripping my clothes. Not very far in, granted, but still inside my body, which is the point I’m trying to make here.

    Let’s say you were wearing one of those thin masks that dentists wear. If someone pressed hard enough against your lips, could they get their fingers into your mouth? Without ripping the mask?

  33. #33 |  mousefeathers | 

    # 29: “Can you actually insert anything into an orifice through clothes? I don’t see how, not without ripping through the clothing”

    If the cloth were woven, yes, it would be difficult; if both layers of cloth are knitted, as most female underwear is, and some pants as well, the cloth could have been forced some way into the vagina. Not very far, perhaps, but any force and any distance under those circumstances would be more than uncomfortable.

    Also, as an owner of the anatomy under discussion, I can say that the demarcation between “external” and “internal” in that area is no sharp, bright line, either palpably or visually. The experience of having a couple layers of dry cloth forced against one’s very tender tissues with fingers or the point of a thumb joint would very much FEEL like penetration, whether someone could actually measure the depth with some tool or not.

  34. #34 |  MassHole | 

    #30 Plutosdad: You should test your theory on yourself and get back to us with some results.

  35. #35 |  joshgeek | 

    If you get a chance, read the PDF of Alkon’s lawyer’s reply to the TSA agent’s demands. Its not just a fantastic retort that obliterates the validity of the lawsuit. It also contains some profound notions regarding the TSA in general and our domestic effforts inthe WoT in general. I’d say Alkon’s representation is more than adequate. Hopefully some good can come from that mess.

  36. #36 |  Boyd Durkin | 

    It seems apparent that the Pluto in “Plutosdad” does not refer to a human, and that Plutosdad was, in fact, never a teenager.

  37. #37 |  Stephen | 

    Has the TSA actually managed to stop ANY terrorist attack? If not, then we should disband the whole mess. I have seen reports of PASSENGERS stopping an attack. I say get rid of TSA and hand out baseball bats to passengers.

  38. #38 |  J | 

    plutosdad – As a late 20’s male, I can most definitely tell you that female penetration can be achieved through thin underwear. It works almost as well as playing ‘Just the Tip’. Maybe Katie will agree with me.

    Kidding of course.

  39. #39 |  Yizmo Gizmo | 

    “Has the TSA actually managed to stop ANY terrorist attack?”

    No, but think of all the shampoo, toothpaste, nail clippers,
    and suntan oil these brave warriors have been able to protect us from, putting their lives on the line each day.

  40. #40 |  Xenocles | 

    #24: “Even if her fingers only went in a few millimeters, that’s still penetration.”

    One of the most often-cited phrases in the UCMJ (in various sex-related) is, “Penetration, no matter how slight, is sufficient to complete the offense.”

  41. #41 |  Rojo | 

    I remember Amy Alkon writing what I considered some pretty stupid shit in the past, but that certainly doesn’t make her not a journalist and causes me no reason to doubt her story here, because stupid does not necessarily equal dishonest.

    And I’ll add an amen to @joshgeek’s recommendation of reading Alkon’s lawyer’s reply. That is a great, great letter.

  42. #42 |  Gary | 

    Really? How can one insert a finger in a vagina with clothing on? Was it baggy sweatpants with no panties? Even then, would she just grab the woman’s had and stop her? I truly do not believe this story as told. I fly about once or twice a month and have had nothing but respectful TSA agents. I must say that I am am male, so maybe my experiences have been different in that way. If an agent began to insert his finger in my anus, I would certainly have either stopped him, or be in jail for assault. I would not walk away, yelling “you rape me”. Absurd story.

  43. #43 |  Saxygranny | 

    You are all missing something. According to the account, the TSA agent stuck THE SIDE OF HER HAND into the victim’s vagina. Not possible, unless the victim’s anatomy is significantly different from mine.

  44. #44 |  Heimdall | 

    I fly often. By often I mean two to four times weekly. I have a pacemaker. This means I can’t, or at least don’t, go through the magnetometer, and most of the smaller airports I fly out of don’t have the backscatter portals. This means I get patted down more than just about any of the people reading this, guaranteed. I’ve had some patdowns which were.. thorough, but isn’t that the point? But never did I feel like I was being sexually assaulted. In fact, every time I overhear some jackwagon bitching about security, I make it a point to tell him/her to shut their bitchhole because there are some people on the flight who do not want to end up a greasy smoking smear on the ground.
    Regarding the ignorant comment about the TSA not stopping any terrorist attacks, just because YOU never heard of it, doesn’t mean it didn’t happen, son.

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  46. #46 |  Stephen | 

    @ 6
    That is one funny ass comment. Classic, Joey. Laughed my head off.

  47. #47 |  Ken | 

    It really seems as if a number of people in this thread have never tried for third base with a clothed female partner.

    Or, for that matter, heard the term “kancho.”

    Some clothing material is quite thin and quite flexible, folks.

  48. #48 |  Ken | 

    In fact, every time I overhear some jackwagon bitching about security, I make it a point to tell him/her to shut their bitchhole because there are some people on the flight who do not want to end up a greasy smoking smear on the ground.

    You’re the TSA’s dream citizen: gullible, complaint, and mindlessly pro-government.

  49. #49 |  Stephen | 

    #46 is not me.

  50. #50 |  Robyn | 

    #42: Blaming an assault victim for not reacting the “correct” way is just plain wrong.

  51. #51 |  bob | 

    Entire hand…
    …through pants…

    If you’re wearing spandex to the airport, you deserve what you get.

  52. #52 |  Ran | 

    Wow, all these ‘how deep could they have possibly gone’ comments reek of victim blaming. It darkly echos the whole ‘she was drunk so she deserved it’ thinking. I don’t care how deep or what you call the parts touched. Some stranger even placing their hands on the outside of my trousers near my lady parts is invasive and unacceptable, let alone then going on to have a rummage around to find out whether my clit could be used as a detonator.

    I don’t fly to the States anymore for exactly this reason. Last time I passed through with my (elderly) mother, a TSA agent nearly put me in lock up for standing too close to her after the x-ray machines. My mother has trouble walking and they took her stick, and I wanted to make sure she didn’t fall. The agent threatened me and I was quickly surrounded by two burly men. I can totally believe that this disgusting incident occured.

    Christ on a bike! I often fly to Israel, and even THEIR security doesn’t go anywhere near this far. The TSA are out of control.

  53. #53 |  lol | 

    lol none of you get it.
    why do the same corrupt congress members always get elected?
    why do we know so little about our governments actions overseas?

    because you get what you fight for. fuck all of you pussies, i work for the TSA and we feel we do the right thing. i’m part of your country.

    dont like it? you dont even talk to your neighbors anymore. welcome to the new america where all the family dynasties are taking control of businesses, laws, and media.

    you losers cant even tell me how many family dynasties there are in the usa. LET ALONE THE UK LOL. we are coordinated, you are unorganized. my great uncle funneled money to hitler from usa in ww2. worked like a charm.

  54. #54 |  Mike | 

    Gotta wonder if heimdall wears full football pads, a mouthpiece, and drives at 20 MPH, because he’s about 3 million times more likely to die in a car wreck than end up as a greasy smear from a hijacking, as he hysterically puts it…just the way the TSA wants it. Sucker. Congrats! Thanks to gullible lemmings like you, the terrorists win!

  55. #55 |  croaker | 

    @44 Oh, Please. If Too Stupid for Arby’s managed, by sheer dumb luck, to stop a terrorist incident on an aircraft, it would be trumpeted all over the media and their blog, too.

    Just look at how pleased with themselves they were when they strong-armed a passenger to Hawaii to give up his DVD player battery pack.

  56. #56 |  Name Withheld | 

    Since you’re all so willing to put up with this, aside from just spitting out your outrage from your chairs, I just wanted to say that I am disappointed with everyone here because otherwise you just put up with it. It’s as if you all have Stockholm syndrome. “Oh, despite all of the bad things that government does, it’s really good they’re protecting us.”

    Refuse to obey.

  57. #57 |  John C. Randolph | 

    Thedala Magee is a rapist. I dare her to sue me for saying so. I would remind her and the shyster representing her that truth is a complete defense in a libel action.

    -jcr

  58. #58 |  John C. Randolph | 

    I often fly to Israel, and even THEIR security doesn’t go anywhere near this far.

    That’s because they’re actually concerned with security, not forcing people to show obedience to authority.

    -jcr

  59. #59 |  Sanity | 

    I have to wonder about the motives of all the people questioning the language used by the victim. Are they missing the point of this issue or are they trying to distract from it?

    You Americans defend your right to carry a handgun more vociferously than your right to protection from unlawful search and seizure.

  60. #60 |  John C. Randolph | 

    Heimdall,

    I was going to express great anger at your bootlicking inclinations, but upon reflection, I just pity you. You would have made a fine Soviet citizen.

    -jcr

  61. #61 |  Escher | 


    Relavant

  62. #62 |  ducatination | 

    @ #42 | Gary,

    She has a large labia simple enough, her complaint is worthy of attention, investigation and if worthy, prosecution.

  63. #63 |  bob | 

    The article pretty clearly states that her yelling about rape and trying to press charges was because ” This woman, and all of those who support this system deserve no less than this sort of unpleasant experience”.

  64. #64 |  Duncan | 

    Two more reasons not to emigrate to America. Cheers guys.

    You know that stuff about ‘low taxes will encourage skilled migrants’, the whole ‘there’s no healthcare system, so if you get sick you may go bankrupt and die’ is more than enough to scare away this skilled migrant. Now forced cavity searches at airports makes me think twice about visiting.

  65. #65 |  Jarrod | 

    Perhaps if she were wearing underwear the officer wouldn’t have been able to ‘penetrate’ her through her pans.

    Honestly, rape and sexual assault imply meaning. If a brush my ass against somebody’s groin at work, you don’t know if that’s inappropriate until you know the circumstances. If it was deliberate, out in the open, and something I intended to do for sexual reasons, it’s sexual assault. If it was squeezing past them, or an accidental result of falling over, and I didn’t intend to do it and certainly didn’t get anything sexual out of it, it’s not sexual assault.

    The officer would have felt like shit for having ‘RAPE’ screamed at her. You can’t assume that they’re any more comfortable with the whole situation than passengers are. Depending on how much it affected her, she probably does deserve compensation.

  66. #66 |  RokNoo | 

    lol, the TSA is without doubt the biggest WASTE of an agency there is. Period.

    http://www.complete-privacy.es.tc

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  68. #68 |  seriously? | 

    @42 Well obviously Gary if someone doesn’t respond exactly as you would in a similar situation they’re making it up or exaggerating. Because you are the template for which all people follow completely.

    People are making remarks about this individual being or not being a reporter. I don’t know anything about her or her work but I do think (as a woman, which is relevant here) that someone could feel violated in that way whether or not they were wearing clothes.

    This entire TSA search act is invasive and the fact that we have to argue over whether or not someone rubbing/smashing/squishing/whatever their hand over your genitals was really penetration or not is absolutely absurd.

  69. #69 |  Poobah | 

    If you believe it wasn’t assault, I’d be happy to frisk your wife, mother, sister or daughter in a similar fashion.

  70. #70 |  Wolana Phoenixfyre | 

    http://www.forbes.com/sites/kashmirhill/2011/09/06/female-blogger-threatened-with-a-defamation-suit-for-blogging-about-tsa-rape/

    Agent doesn’t deny doing it; merely wants half a mil b/c she was insulted and called a “bad person.”

    So it’s evidently a real occurrence.

  71. #71 |  Chelsie | 

    You can’t fit the side of your hand into a vagina, you can fit it into the vulva between the labia though. Just saying.

  72. #72 |  MassHole | 

    “In fact, every time I overhear some jackwagon bitching about security, I make it a point to tell him/her to shut their bitchhole because there are some people on the flight who do not want to end up a greasy smoking smear on the ground.”

    I love the false bravado of talking shit to another passenger due to being terrified of the boogie man. Not that I actually believe what he says. In any event, people with pacemakers probably shouldn’t start confrontations with strangers. Your physician would likely advise against it for numerous reasons.

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  74. #74 |  Elliot | 

    Jarrod (#65): “The officer would have felt like shit for having ‘RAPE’ screamed at her. You can’t assume that they’re any more comfortable with the whole situation than passengers are. Depending on how much it affected her, she probably does deserve compensation.

    Another TSA employee or apologist, trying to skew the comment sections with false flags.

    The TSA employees clearly and obviously love making passengers who are of no threat uncomfortable by purposely humiliating them for daring to decline the full body scans. It is their purpose to make the “enhanced patdowns” as obnoxiously perverse as they can make them so passengers will learn their place, stop being so uppity, and just go through the scanner like an obedient subject. They obviously love to flaunt their authoritah, their power to put us through such humiliation and to deprive us of our ability to travel unmolested by keeping us off flights on a whim.

    The TSA agents are on the same level as prison guards, the dregs of law enforcement.

  75. #75 |  Nancy Lebovitz | 

    A note to those who haven’t had awful experiences with the TSA and therefore don’t believe any of them are abusive– just because you haven’t run into the worst-behaved percent or tenth of a percent doesn’t mean the wrong end of the bell curve doesn’t exist.

  76. #76 |  bob | 

    Does the “wrong end of the bell curve” somehow represent the entire group now?
    And what does that have to do with the fact that a search of the type described is not rape, has never been rape and never will be rape?
    The idiots who think it is should try visiting any business that someone decides to make a report of violence with any kind of firearm present in any city on the face of the planet that has a police force. Then you’ll know what a real weapons search involves for next time you want to prattle on like old ladies about it.

  77. #77 |  martin | 

    every person that hates TSA has every right to do so, however they are spending way too much energy in the wrong direction. people seem to forget we are in a recession and for a lot of people jobs are hard to come by. getting angry at the lowest level of the org. for doing a job they are instructed to do is just plain stupid. if you really want a change go after the actual decision makers (CONGRESS) and vote into office someone that can really make changes possible. i dont really know any one who could fit that bill but congress is where you should really start. do i like what they are doing? NO! so i dont argue with the person at the bottom of the feeding pole about policies and procedures. that is the same as getting mad at a street light for turning red. i write my congressman, i go to the town hall meetings, i try to get my voice heard whenever i can to the ones that can effect change. what is the solution? i dont know, but i do know that it is wasting my own energy arguing with the street light.

  78. #78 |  JOR | 

    “Does the “wrong end of the bell curve” somehow represent the entire group now?”

    To the precise extent that they’re encouraged and defended by the rest of the group, absolutely.

  79. #79 |  Helmut O' Hooligan | 

    #65 Jarrod: “Perhaps if she were wearing underwear the officer wouldn’t have been able to ‘penetrate’ her through her pans.”

    I bet you think rape victims have it coming if they wear revealing clothes too, don’t ya Jarrod. You’re a fucking dick, man.

  80. #80 |  Mrs. Sixx | 

    Look, any teenage boy with a girlfriend knows that it is possible to insert fingers into the vagina through clothing — happens in the back seats of cars all across America.

    This Magee person used her power to abuse Amy Alkon, and then tried to extort money from her when she was called on it. She deserves whatever retribution she gets — hopefully, she’ll lose her job.

  81. #81 |  demize! | 

    #58 | John C. Randolph | September 7th, 2011 at 9:42 pm I often fly to Israel, and even THEIR security doesn’t go anywhere near this far. That’s because they’re actually concerned with security, not forcing people to show obedience to authority..-jcr This is one of the most pathetically unaware comments coming from a font of pretty regular naivete. That and Heimdall thinks hes R Lee Ermey. I hope your pacemaker gets blown up by Al Queda. JEEZUS!

  82. #82 |  September 14 roundup | 

    […] etc.] More reactions to TSAer’s lawsuit threat against columnist/blogger Amy Alkon [Treacher, Balko, […]

  83. #83 |  Links 'n' Shit | Iced Borscht | 

    […] We’re Going To Molest You. And Then We’re Going To Make You Pay for It. (theagitator.com) […]

  84. #84 |  FBI’s new definition of rape ensnares TSA agents as serial rapists – Infowars Ireland | 

    […] kinds of violation. Here’s another story about a woman who was sexually molested by the TSA: http://www.theagitator.com/2011/09/…Former Miss USA was also technically molested by the TSA: […]

  85. #85 |  FBI’s new definition of rape ensnares TSA agents as serial rapists | How Free Am I | Alternative News | 

    […] Is the TSA really committing these sex crimes in America today? Yes, absolutely. Gov. Jesse Ventura’s lawsuit against the TSA goes into great detail about precisely these kinds of violation. Here’s another story about a woman who was sexually molested by the TSA:http://www.theagitator.com/2011/09/… […]

  86. #86 |  FBI’s new definition of rape ensnares TSA agents as serial rapists :: Government Corruption News | 

    […] Is the TSA really committing these sex crimes in America today? Yes, absolutely. Gov. Jesse Ventura’s lawsuit against the TSA goes into great detail about precisely these kinds of violation. Here’s another story about a woman who was sexually molested by the TSA: http://www.theagitator.com/2011/09/&#8230; […]

  87. #87 |  guest | 

    Look tsa is NOT about security. It’s about a government gone very bad. It’s about punishing the american people and defiling them. And we are letting them get away with this outrage. The first time a small child or eldery women had the Tsa place finger’s in a ‘no touch zone’ the american ppl. should have collectively arisen and demanded an end to this. The apathy of the american ppl. is frightning. What happened to decency? When did good become evil and evil good?

  88. #88 |  FBI’s New Definition Of Rape Ensnares TSA Agents As Serial Rapists | 

    […] Is the TSA really committing these sex crimes in America today? Yes, absolutely. Gov. Jesse Ventura’s lawsuit against the TSA goes into great detail about precisely these kinds of violation. Here’s another story about a woman who was sexually molested by the TSA: http://www.theagitator.com/2011/09/&#8230; […]

  89. #89 |  BW | 

    I read so many comments here by men that are just so insensitive and appalling. It makes me sad to feel we think it’s OK to judge and, then, write such things about other human beings. Here’s hoping we can all take a step back and breathe. Amy Alkon was obviously upset and hurt by what happened. Feelings are neither right or wrong, they just are. Sometimes it’s better not to vocalize them as they have been done here. What happened to that saying our Moms used to tell us, “If you can’t say anything nice, just don’t say anything!”

  90. #90 |  Woman on her toes | 

    “The TSA has the right to reach between the 2 ‘pussy lips as long as it does not reach deeper in ..” is this insane ?That is a total breach of women’s privacy -any way to look at it.
    Any pervert who would do it to someone on the street would get the cops called on them instantly.
    How can anyone compare a search in the ‘crick of their butt’ to a search of even between the ‘pussy lips’ ?
    The entire area is already a sex organ – with the clitoris being capable to explode into and orgasm…just by touching it ! – Most women and many men know this true.
    So comparing a reach between male but cheeks ? I have never heard of anyone climaxing just by a touch there.
    The entire discussion here about ‘how far is too far” is ridiculous, and shows how far we have been brain washed as people in the US.

  91. #91 |  FBI’s new definition of rape ensnares TSA agents as serial rapists | News & Current Events | 

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  92. #92 |  When Are We Going to Wake Up? « Internationalguy's Blog | 

    […] Is the TSA really committing these sex crimes in America today? Yes, absolutely. Gov. Jesse Ventura’s lawsuit against the TSA goes into great detail about precisely these kinds of violation. Here’s another story about a woman who was sexually molested by the TSA: http://www.theagitator.com/2011/09/&#8230; […]

  93. #93 |  FBI’s New Definition of Rape Ensnares TSA Agents as Serial Rapists | Truth Is Scary | 

    […] Is the TSA really committing these sex crimes in America today? Yes, absolutely. Gov. Jesse Ventura’s lawsuit against the TSA goes into great detail about precisely these kinds of violation. Here’s another story about a woman who was sexually molested by the TSA. […]

  94. #94 |  FemMedProf | 

    Wow, are men really that ignorant of female anatomy? (or have always skipped forplay?) Yes boys and girls, a stranger repeatedly sliding her hand forcefully between your labia with the intention of pressing inward into your vaginal opening is an assault. This was woman on woman so the TSA thug knew exactly what she was doing (even if the boys don’t get it)…..Was this TSA policy? OK, put it in writing, senisibilities be damned. I think this is happening randomly based on the whim of the agent. There clearly isn’t any supervision nor effort to document these things. If you complain, god help you……I won’t be flying any time soon. Our vacations are all by car now. Shudder. (so other than tampons, exactly what have they found….some half assed drug runners?)

  95. #95 |  FBI’s new definition of rape ensnares TSA agents as serial rapists « Potent News | 

    […] Is the TSA really committing these sex crimes in America today? Yes, absolutely. Gov. Jesse Ventura’s lawsuit against the TSA goes into great detail about precisely these kinds of violation. Here’s another story about a woman who was sexually molested by the TSA: http://www.theagitator.com/2011/09/&#8230; […]

  96. #96 |  Harriett | 

    These body searches are so stupid! All they do is feed the jollies of perverts. If I wanted to blow up a plane, I certainly be smart enough to NOT pack my body orfices with C4. I’d get a job as an airline security agent who has access to unlocked luggage. Who would be blamed when the plane went down? Certainly not a trusted security agent, but some terrorist passenger, especially if there was one with a foreign sounding name.

  97. #97 |  FBI’s new definition of rape ensnares TSA agents as serial rapists | TaJnB | TheAverageJoeNewsBlogg | 

    […] Is the TSA really committing these sex crimes in America today? Yes, absolutely. Gov. Jesse Ventura’s lawsuit against the TSA goes into great detail about precisely these kinds of violation. Here’s another story about a woman who was sexually molested by the TSA:http://www.theagitator.com/2011/09/… […]

  98. #98 |  FreeWestRadio.com » Blog Archive » FBI’s new definition of rape ensnares TSA agents as serial rapists | 

    […] Is the TSA really committing these sex crimes in America today? Yes, absolutely. Gov. Jesse Ventura’s lawsuit against the TSA goes into great detail about precisely these kinds of violation. Here’s another story about a woman who was sexually molested by the TSA:http://www.theagitator.com/2011/09/… […]

  99. #99 |  Homeboy | 

    Heimdall,

    It seems to me that there is only one valid argument about your post, and that is whether it reveals you to be the most stupid or the second-most stupid asshole on the face of the planet.

  100. #100 |  steve | 

    At martin……it would seem a nice idea. But unfortunatelly your assuming politicians act like programs, when in fact they act as human beings. They are guilty of fallacies day in and day out. They are also potential victims to the same charecter defects that everyone else is greed, envy, and lust. We have entered into a time when our constitution, no longer protects against these things, because of the inability to seperate from the influence of media in all forms. Our minds are constantly being feed specific phonetics in combination with certain tones and pitches to construct a being of understanding. This allows for programing to happen in the subconcious, and bring forth the action in the concoius. Mind control is very plausable, and in this day of age it is why voting falls short of, not feeding it, and letting it die off in the corner as something never used.

  101. #101 |  Hugh | 

    I’m pretty sure you are consenting to whatever from the moment you decide to travel by air.

    Now bare with me here:

    Vagina and anus are body cavities where foreign objects may be concealed (this is seen a lot in prisons).

    So, unless they (TSA) do thorough body cavity search (search the interior completely searching for cords, etc. with which the object could be removed – sort of like a tampon), what purpose are these pat downs serving?

    Could this be some sort of twisted Pavlovian human experiment?

    Stranger things have happened, that’s for sure.

    I don’t think I’ll visit the USA anytime soon too. Phew

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