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Wednesday, September 7th, 2011
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  1. #1 |  Peter H | 

    That decision on the traffic stop question is a bigger deal than Radley’s summary lets on. First, it’s a rejection of qualified immunity (much like the MA case last week on wiretapping), so it is establishing a circumstance where officers can be found personally liable for breaking and entering into a person’s home. Second, it’s not a district court ruling, but a 10th Circuit court of appeals ruling, which means it is binding precedent in 6 states, and a strong precedential tool in the rest of the country.

  2. #2 |  Reformed Republican | 

    Re: Everclear drowning

    The lady should seek to make drowning illegal.

  3. #3 |  Dave Krueger | 

    Interesting photo from space of the India-Pakistin border.

    Wow, don’t the republicans want a similar orange line on our border with Mexico? Can we make ours green? How about blue. Blue is my favorite color.

  4. #4 |  Dave Krueger | 

    Federal court rules that a traffic stop does not justify forced entry into a home. You’d kind of hope we wouldn’t need court decisions to tell us that.

    You mean start hiring people as cops who have an intellectual capability that actually exceeds their testosterone level?

  5. #5 |  Mark Draughn | 

    The lady whose son died so tragically gets a pass. She’s grieving, she’s bargaining, she’s trying to get control of a life that has gone horribly out of control. I think her policy ideas are wrong-headed, but I have nothing bad to say about her.

    That craven fuck of a state representative, on the other hand, has no excuse.

  6. #6 |  Brandon | 

    Amazing. The Everclear article actually manages to make you angry at a grieving mother. It’s the same boilerplate crap that’s been written thousands of times before, with the requisite ending: “Was it sold legally to them? Yes, it was. But I don’t think people are really aware of what it is,” she said. “I need something good to come out of this horrible story.”

    But the interesting part is this: “The friends pulled Jeff from the pool and laid him on the deck, but didn’t tell his parents right away that he apparently had passed out. About 10:30 p.m., Jerry came outside and found his son unresponsive and not breathing.”

    But yeah, blame the inanimate substance that he voluntarily ingested, not the idiot friends who apparently pulled him out of the pool and took off.

  7. #7 |  boomshanka | 

    So let me get this straight: Koch didn’t call Obama “Saddam Hussein,” but instead he quoted Saddam Hussein when describing the 2012 election as “the mother of all wars” to his supporters.

    Hold on, while I get out my book of “Inspirational Quotes from Saddam Hussein”, it’s right behind my “Anthology of Romantic Poetry” by Edi Amin.

  8. #8 |  DoubleU | 

    When I clicked on the link for “I doubt these numbers…” I thought the site was “Cop on the Hood”

  9. #9 |  kant | 

    RE: everclear death

    I realize the mom is grieving but the article should really just stop when it hits this line

    At this point, she can’t prove what role the strong alcohol played in his death.

    I’m half surprised she isn’t also trying to ban the mixture of redbull and alcohol.

  10. #10 |  DoubleU | 

    On the grieving mother story, some libertarian came up with “The 24 types of Authoritarians”, the grieving parent is on there.

  11. #11 |  jppatter | 

    Swimming pools are the real problem, ban them. And any open body of water. Oh, and parties, they need to be banned too. Really any gathering of two or more people should be banned. And if alcohol is present, it’s a felony.

  12. #12 |  Chris Mallory | 

    The Everclear story

    1) The son was a grown man,fully responsible for his own actions.
    2) He was drinking at his parent’s house. Both parents saw him and what he was drinking.
    3) Parents now try to shift the blame to the distiller and society.
    4) Parents now try to restrict the freedom of everyone else because their offspring did something stupid.
    5) Fuck the parents.

  13. #13 |  Rune | 

    I want a law to punish all parents of kids who die, because, you know, if the parents raised them better they wouldn’t have died… or something

  14. #14 |  David | 

    # Mother of 22-year-old who drowned after getting drunk on Everclear wants a law to . . . I’m sure you can guess what comes next.

    Make drowning a felony?

  15. #15 |  Mattocracy | 

    Secret History of Guns was awesome.

  16. #16 |  AB | 

    Shouldn’t the grieving mom be charged with a crime? Don’t we need “Jeff’s Law” to punish parents who allow their extremely intoxicated kids to get in the swimming pool at their home?

  17. #17 |  What Sort of Cases Have the PATRIOT Act's Sneak-and-Peek Warrants Been Used For? - Hit & Run : Reason Magazine | 

    […] Jesse Walker | September 7, 2011 Benjamin Wallace-Wells provides a useful chart (though it's limited, alas, to the years 2006-2009): [Via Radley Balko.] […]

  18. #18 |  JSL | 

    “I think her policy ideas are wrong-headed, but I have nothing bad to say about her.”

    You’re as much a bleeding heart as she is. She has more of an excuse given the loss of her son but I no longer give those grieving idiots any breaks. Those idiot ought to know better politicians do know better but they’ll go the easy route because it gets them re-elected.

    You can’t let your emotions run wild and every parent who does should be bitch slapped down and told to grow the hell up. Should we have to do that? No. Unfortunately, we now have to be that harsh because “think of the children”/”there ought to be a law” are the current mantras of government.

  19. #19 |  SJE | 

    re: Everclear.

    While most people are looking at the Fed Govt’s regulations, so many stupid regulations are state and local. Stupid things. I was going through my phone bill yesterday and there are about 8 different fees and taxes for who knows WTF.

  20. #20 |  Busted | Man Are We Screwed | 

    […] sue. Excessive force? Illegal entry? Court rules. All this for a busted tail light may be a bit um […]

  21. #21 |  ClubMedSux | 

    “I think her policy ideas are wrong-headed, but I have nothing bad to say about her.”

    You’re as much a bleeding heart as she is.

    I too would give her a pass, and I’ll gladly accept your “bleeding heart” designation. For as much as detractors like to paint libertarians as heartless, I think quite the opposite is true. I’m a white, straight, middle-to-upper-class Christian male who is monogamous and doesn’t use illegal drugs. Arguably, nobody benefits from the status quo more than me. But I’m a libertarian because I give a shit about minorities being fucked over by our Drug War, I give a shit about soldiers dying in Afghanistan, I give a shit about small business owners being shut out of the marketplace. And yes, I can understand why a grieving mom searching for an answer would misguidedly turn to banning Everclear as a solution. I can disagree with somebody’s actions without thinking he’s immoral or evil, and if that makes me a bleeding heart then I’m cool with that.

    Now, the legislators who would support such a ban, THEY’RE the ones who should get no mercy. THEY sacrifice our rights at the altar of “doing something.” THEY knowingly pass short-sighted bills that score cheap political points today at the expense of our liberty tomorrow. They are exploiters, pure and simple. It’s like the anti-vaccine people. While I’m disappointed that the parents of autistics buy into that crap, I understand that they’re grasping for an answer. Certainly their culpability is less than that of the “doctors” who knowing exploit parents’ desire for an answer for their own personal gain at the expense of other children.

  22. #22 |  MassHole | 

    The Everclear kid was a recent college graduate and as mentioned above, a grown man. I’d say there are several of us on this board, myself included, that drank Everclear in our youth and managed not to die. The kid and his friends blew it and if the parents were worried about him drinking too much, they should have intervened as well. It’s their house and they were well aware of what was taking place! They’re just trying to grasp at something to deflect blame from their son and themselves. That said, I can’t imagine what it would be like to lose my daughter, especially in such a stupid manner. It must be awful. Looking to place blame where none lies is wrong, but it seems to be a great American pastime.

  23. #23 |  SJE | 

    I agree with #20. People who just went through such a thing are vulnerable. Politicians who use them to get reelected are no different to shady hucksters who prey on the weak and vulnerable, except that the latter commit criminal offenses.

  24. #24 |  albatross | 

    Yeah, I think it’s pretty easy to see how a parent who’s just lost her kid would be so upset and torn up that she might have all kinds of irrational ideas and proposals. But ideally, the state legislators and journalists reporting on the issue, relatively few of whom have recently lost a child to some awful tragedy, should be thinking clearly enough not to follow her irrational ideas and proposals.

  25. #25 |  Donald | 

    If we banned everything that could be misused, resulting in death, everything would be banned. I’m shocked that a 22 year old man would be irresponsible with alcohol. This must be the first time anything like this has ever happened. Since the world revolves around these parents, because injecting a woman with your semen is such a rare and precious skill that it makes you the center of the universe, the whole planet must flog itself and cry over your loss and concede to your wishes until the end of time.

  26. #26 |  billy_ran_away | 

    Here’s how the grieving mom’s interview with the reporter should have gone:

    Reporter: So tell me about your son’s death.
    Mom: ***tells story***
    Reporter: Hold up… this happened at your house?
    Mom: Yes, right out back there.
    Reporter: And you saw that he was drunk, and warned him to stop drinking?
    Mom: Yes…
    Reporter: And his friends saw him fall in the pool? And even pulled him out but didn’t tell anyone?
    Mom: Yes… But they were drinking Everclear!
    Repoter: It sounds like Everclear wasn’t really the problem… I see a story here, but it’s not about banning Everclear….

  27. #27 |  TXSwede | 

    #25 will never be invited to my parties. What an ass.

  28. #28 |  Tales of Injustice | 

    […] to Radley Balko: Grieving mom crusades to ban grain alcohol after son’s death. All of us have had righteous […]

  29. #29 |  Kevin | 

    Re: The India / Pakistan border from space: Did anyone else read the huffpo comments? Holy shit, what a bunch of psychos! Environmentalism == misanthropy. The left ardently holds to itself the moral high ground: empathy, compassion, fairness are allegedly their guiding principles. Reading their comments tell another story. They HATE the human race. I mean, really just hate it. How these people have managed to walk around with their little halos, while spewing such disgusting nonsense, I do not know. The cognitive dissonance must be deafening.

  30. #30 |  What Cases Have the PATRIOT Act’s Sneak-and-Peek Warrants Been Used For? | Daily Libertarian | 

    […] [Via Radley Balko.] […]

  31. #31 |  MPH | 

    Of course those numbers aren’t a surprise to your readers. Didn’t you report that the first use of the patriot act was to go after a brothel in Louisiana? Yeah, lots of terrorists there!

  32. #32 |  Dana Gower | 

    @#21 It’s like the anti-vaccine people…Certainly their culpability is less than that of the “doctors” who knowing exploit parents’ desire for an answer for their own personal gain at the expense of other children.

    I know that anyone who admits to being an “anti-vaccine person” is automatically labeled a nut. I’m not anti-vaccine, but I am concerned about the coercive argument that is made in their favor. The truth is, and any honest doctor will admit this, that the main way vaccines work is by slightly decreasing a person’s chance of getting the full-out symptoms of a particular disease. If enough people in a set group are vaccinated, that lowers the chance that someone will pass the disease on to the next person in the group. That means, for the most part, that vaccines are only effective if virtually everyone is vaccinated. Since a lot of people, for a variety of reasons — some more valid than others — choose not to be vaccinated, the only way vaccines can really work is if someone has the authority to require everyone to be vaccinated. In reality, that means the government (which already does this, such as refusing to allow children to enroll in school without first receiving an array of vaccines). I would think regular readers of this site would have at least some concern about the government having virtually total authority to decide what substances a person should be required to be injected with. Not everyone who has concerns about vaccine policy is a kook or a fraud.

  33. #33 |  Douglas Willinger | 

    I wonder what these parents’ attitudes are towards MJ?

    I see the prohibition of MJ and the contrary status for alcoholic beverages as creating a false presumption of relative safety.

  34. #34 |  AlecN | 

    Re: “Sneak-and-Peak”

    Has the constitutionality of this new class of warrants been challenged yet? Sadly, I suspect that the courts would support them.

    Re: Everclear

    What is the legal situation regarding the so-called “friends” who pulled him from the pool and then left him to die? You would think that she would be blaming them too.

    Also, I realize he was a grown adult, but as he was hanging out at home I think the parents have some blame for not intervening when they saw their son drinking such a mixture (though its not entirely clear from the article if they were aware of exactly what he was drinking, so maybe I am off the mark here). I’m 23 and I can guarantee you my parents (and probably most parents) would never let me get completely wasted while I was in their house.

  35. #35 |  JSL | 

    ClubMedSux et. al, you’re missing my point. I feel for the parents but they’re acting like children in their grief looking to blame someone for something they might have been able to prevent. Ultimately though, their son was an adult and responsible for his own choices. Life sucks don’t it?

    And yes, I place most of the blame on the politicians and the media, but they do it because those parents and our society ultimately let them. Look at what happened with FourLoko last year. We had parents who led to Chuckie “wheres the cameras!” Schumer calling it “black out in a can” on tv and I heard several state politicians call for bans on mixed drinks like rum and coke. All because a few college girls went to a party and got drunk, not paying attention to what they drank and they got “date raped”.

  36. #36 |  lunchstealer | 

    First off – I began drinking as a freshman in college, about 4 weeks into my first semester. By 6 weeks into my first semester, I knew exactly how potent Everclear was. So this woman is in a fantasy of her own creation.

    As for the question of whether she should get a break for grieving – I have to come down on the side of those suggesting she should get control of herself. I don’t think it makes you a bleeding heart to give her a pass, but nonetheless, we’ve been giving parents a pass for antisocial behavior in the name of ‘BUT IT’S MAH KIDS!’ for far too long.

  37. #37 |  lunchstealer | 

    Also, drowning is far more correlated to family pools than to alcohol. She should be banning pools before she bans Everclear. But that doesn’t fit into her righteous rage narrative, since she and her husband (presumably) made the choice to either put in the pool, or purchase a house with a pool – they couldn’t blame some faceless Corporation and call for someone else’s behavior to be curtailed.

    Ultimately, the people who deserve the blame for this death are, in order, the deceased, the friends who pulled him out of the pool but did nothing to revive him or get him help, the dad who saw that he was hanging by the pool with strong mixed drinks and didn’t at least keep an eye out, the mom and dad who didn’t teach their son not to mix heavy drinking with swimming (light drinking may be OK, but you’ve got to know the difference – and if you’re choosing Red Bull and Everclear, you both know the difference, and are intentionally going for the heavy drinking title), the parents for having a pool, and the makers of Everclear and Red Bull.

    By the time you’re getting to the dad not keeping an eye out you’ve got maybe 2% of the culpability, as probably 85% of the blame goes to the kid, and maybe another 12-13% for the kids who saw him go under, pulled him out, but didn’t do anything to see that he got medical help, and Everclear and Red Bull’s obligation to the family of the deceased should be a condolence and maybe a small donation to an alcohol-safety or water-safety awareness program in the deceased’s name.

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