Bonus Afternoon Lazy Post of Links

Wednesday, August 31st, 2011

Stuff you should read that I don’t have time to write more about . . . .


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52 Responses to “Bonus Afternoon Lazy Post of Links”

  1. #1 |  Helmut O' Hooligan | 

    #48 Albatross: “Isn’t it great how the people on your side of the issue are, you know, so much smarter and better people than the ones on the other side?”

    I never said that so drop the faux populism. Pro-lifers also tend to have a martyr complex, which you may share. I simply stated that “pro-lifers” tend not to appreciate science and reason. Indeed many of them seem to be afraid of both concepts. Or they think their religious beliefs ARE scientific without justification. If you refer to a zygote as a “baby,” that is simply not very scientific, but people are entitled to their opinions. Find your strawman elsewhere please. Have a nice labor day!

  2. #2 |  Helmut O' Hooligan | 

    #49 JOR:
    Thank you for engaging in debate instead of “Mr Smarty pants” whining like Albatross. However, you lost me when you said: “People, after all, commit murder and robbery and rape even though these things are illegal; few people (besides some utilitarians and pacifists, perhaps) would argue that this is a good reason to legalize them.” It sounds like you are compaing the termination of a pregnancy to murder or robbery. That is where we must part ways, at least on this topic.

    You go on to state: “Maybe the idea is to make a point about how illegal abortions tend to be more hazardous, but again, this misses the whole point of disagreement – after all, illegal robberies are far more dangerous for robbers (and perhaps even for victims) than legalized robberies, but that’s not a good reason to legalize robbery (except maybe for some utilitarians).” Well, yes, that was my wife’s point, and I believe it was a valid one. That IS the way it was before abortion became illegal. It was a bit like alcohol prohibition and drug prohibition, in fact. People asked for a service (whether you like that service or not), which had to be provided by the black market. The black market is not known for good “quality assurance” standards, so an illegal abortion was much more dangerous than the legal kind. So when you made the statement about legalizing robbery, it sounded like when people opposed to drug legalization say,”oh yeah, well maybe we should just legalize murder.” Or at least that is what it sounded like to me. You are comparing apples and oranges.

    On this topic, I tend to agree with Bill Clinton (which doesn’t happen much). Abortion should remain “safe, legal and rare” in the U.S.. It is unfortunate when women get into a position where they feel that they have to make that choice, but it should be their choice to make.