Lunch Links

Monday, August 22nd, 2011
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  1. #1 |  Fred Mangels | 

    We have no way of knowing whether the outcome in Libya will be positive, at least at this point in time. The new boss, should Ghaddafi be overthrown, might well be as bad as the old boss.

  2. #2 |  Mister DNA | 

    I love it when people get on the internet to rail against the evils of technology.

    I should post that link to the Facebook Neo-Luddites group.

  3. #3 |  Stormy Dragon | 

    The rhyming quotes thing was already done way better by Ricardo Autobahn:

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SUX9ja5ZY6M

    Mildly NSFW for swearing.

  4. #4 |  Abersouth | 

    Moynihan’s sound criticism of Hobsbawm was really nice to read. I read his “Age of . . .” volumes when I was a teenager and I was always put off by his very apparent animus to capitalism. I hadn’t thought about him in a long while.

    I love the Japanese sewage plates. There really ought to be some jokes about if a government should advertise somewhere it ought to be there, but I’m not clever enough to make it.

  5. #5 |  JS | 

    Yay us! We get another colony! I’m sure we will give the new Libyan dictator 2 or 3 billion a year in “foreign aid” i.e. bribe money, to ensure that the CIA gets to be in charge. We are soooo freakin’ awesome!

  6. #6 |  witless chum | 

    Here’s an egad:

    http://www.mlive.com/news/kalamazoo/index.ssf/2011/08/former_sturgis_hospital_doctor.html

    Police officer in small town starts investigation against doctor for giving out drugs in exchange for sex. (Allegedly at the behest of a medical clerk at the hospital the cop was seeing, who’d allegedly been turned down by the doctor) Doctor is convicted, but a new trial is ordered and police officer is fired and charged with a misdamenor count of disemmenating confidential information, which appears to be unrelated. The judge in the case apparently said that he’d had an incident with the cop when he was an attorney where the cop purposely mistranslated a statement by a defendant who was being interviewed in Spanish.

    County prosecutor declines to retrie the doctor
    “McDonough declined to pursue a second trial because he told the Gazette he didn’t want to make witnesses suffer the ordeal of testifying again.”

  7. #7 |  C. S. P. Schofield | 

    JS, I wish to hell we WOULD go back to colonialism and Manifest Destiny; it would cost less money, fewer lives, and it wouldn’t baffle and unnerve the rest of the world the way our “Benevolent Older Brother” pose seems to.

    Radley; I’m not at all sure that I would call that a Luddite rant. Maybe something altogether grander and more deranged. King Lud merely wanted to smash the looms because they were costing him his job; he didn’t (so far as I know) drag theology into it.

  8. #8 |  JS | 

    Yea, or….we could just mind our own business. That would even cheaper.

  9. #9 |  Kevin | 

    Apparently, online porn addiction is a problem for both men and women. I bet a co-ed masturbation addiction group would be very helpful. Just think, men and women who want a lot of sex but don’t get it could come together in mutual support. It should be done in a casual environment, with music and food and drink. I wonder if we will ever see anything like that in our lifetime?

  10. #10 |  JS | 

    Damn I wish I could meet a chick that liked online porn.

  11. #11 |  omar | 

    re: Battling the scourge of . . . female masturbation.

    Why does religion make people so crazy?!? We have here a person with a non-problem convincing others that their non-problem is a big problem. Convincing someone that their natural behavior is against the unstated will of the invisible sky magician is a really good way to help someone develop psychological disorders.

    re: Luddite rant of the day.

    Why does religion make people so crazy?!? Why do so many religious people assume that not worshiping the invisible sky magician means that we must be off worshiping some idol? I do not worship an iphone, fast car, king, dead relative, political party, invisible sky magician, or animal statuette. Worship is simply not a part of my life.

  12. #12 |  omar | 

    Maybe if my dynamos were more in order and I spent more time worshiping my computer, I wouldn’t have pressed “submit comment” twice.

    Sorry for double post.

  13. #13 |  Stormy Dragon | 

    Wait, the Utne Reader is an actual magazine? I thought it was a fictional thing made up to parody the “fashionable sensitivity” you tend to see in liberal urban yuppie types.

  14. #14 |  CyniCAl | 

    I thought the “Luddite rant of the day” was more of an admission that Man is the author of his own undoing, kind of like the “creative destruction” of Schumpeter. It seems rather obvious to me that this is the case, and that there’s nothing anyone can do about it, as it is part of the human condition.

  15. #15 |  CyniCAl | 

    @ #9 | Kevin

    +69

  16. #16 |  Kristen | 

    JS, you’re looking or living in the wrong place!

  17. #17 |  JS | 

    lol I bet I am but I don’t anyone but mostly uptight Baptist girls. I need to meet some good some good old sinner girls!

  18. #18 |  Mister DNA | 

    lol I bet I am but I don’t anyone but mostly uptight Baptist girls. I need to meet some good some good old sinner girls!

    I knew a girl who was an absolute freak about porn. She was raised at The Rebekah Home for Girls.

    So… get to know those uptight Baptist girls a little better.

  19. #19 |  TomG | 

    you know, omar @ #11 said most everything I wanted to say…so double it.

  20. #20 |  Donald | 

    So since I don’t worship the magic zombie jew, I’m worshiping the consumer items I use each day? The smartphone is “an amulet?” Now tardmonkey, unlike your magic beads, I can use it to get information that is useful in my daily life. When I need to find out what centuries dead camel rapers thought, I’ll look at the Bible. When I need to find out what time the movie is, or driving directions, I’ll consult Google.

  21. #21 |  CyniCAl | 

    State of Missouri sez all your children are belong to us:

    http://news.yahoo.com/blogs/lookout/missouri-teacher-sues-state-over-facebook-law-says-162158139.html

  22. #22 |  George E | 

    I think that giant sucking sound so many of you are hearing is actually the noise made by the point of the Commonweal essay flying over your heads.

  23. #23 |  Mike | 

    Best thing about that Selling Our Souls article is that it’s directly followed by links to share on Facebook and Twitter.

  24. #24 |  abhisaha | 

    Ah, Libya and partisan hackery. As usual Glenn Greenwald nails it.

    http://www.salon.com/news/opinion/glenn_greenwald/2011/08/22/libya/index.html

  25. #25 |  omar | 

    I think that giant sucking sound so many of you are hearing is actually the noise made by the point of the Commonweal essay flying over your heads.

    I read the entire thing. Over my head, maybe. But it made so little sense to me, had so little point, I’m teetering between with “shitty article” and “garbage bag of words”. Please, explain the point of the Coommonweal essay. I’m all ears.

  26. #26 |  JS | 

    #18 lol I’m doing somethign wrong then that’s for sure.

  27. #27 |  ClubMedSux | 

    From the female masturbation article:

    “To feel that they’re addicted only means that they enjoy doing it and they don’t want to,” says William R. Stayton, a human-sexuality professor and Baptist minister in Smyrna, Georgia, who believes masturbation is a healthy way to develop one’s sexual identity. “Real sexual addiction is when someone has no control over it. Things that get blamed for addiction are often just things that people don’t like.”

    Note to the No Stones crew: When a BAPTIST MINISTER is schooling your ass on the topic of human sexuality, then you know you went off the rails a long time ago!

  28. #28 |  C. S. P. Schofield | 

    JS,

    I’d be for minding our business too, if we WOULD. Sadly, when most politicians say “mind our own business” they mean “mind my personal obsessions”, and the ones that don’t mean “bury our heads in the sand and pretend that nobody means us any harm”.

    but, you have to understand, my preferred way of dealing with the 9/11 attacks would have been to go on international television the next day with a top hat full of chits. I’d pick five chits. Each chit would have the name of a city in an Islamic country. I would say “These five cities will be destroyed by nuclear fire within 48 hours. We are not doing this because these cities were behind the attacks yesterday. We are doing this to remind the world how truly unpleasant life can be if we are your enemy. And if there are any more attacks on United States soil, well, we have a lot of bombs.”

    I doubt that we would be attacked again for fifty years.

    Well, I’m not running the country. Which, all things taken together, is probably a sign of the mercy of God.

  29. #29 |  omar | 

    my preferred way of dealing with the 9/11 attacks would have been to go on international television the next day with a top hat full of chits. I’d pick five chits. Each chit would have the name of a city in an Islamic country. I would say “These five cities will be destroyed by nuclear fire within 48 hours. We are not doing this because these cities were behind the attacks yesterday. We are doing this to remind the world how truly unpleasant life can be if we are your enemy.”

    WTF is wrong with you?

  30. #30 |  Marty | 

    I’m gonna go out on a limb and say that I support female masturbation. Dirty Girls Ministries should be an all female punk band.

  31. #31 |  C. S. P. Schofield | 

    Omar,

    WTF is wrong with me? I foresee a day when we nuke Islamic cities, not out of cold calculating Machiavellianism but because another attack has made us well and truly lose our tempers. Then Hell will go out for a walk with its sleeves rolled up. You will note that my plan gives the residents of the five cities more than a day to get out. Maybe they wouldn’t, but I expect that most would. The overall death toll might well be lower than they way we are going.

    But, as I believe I strongly hinted, I’m an evil bastard.

  32. #32 |  JS | 

    C.S.P. maybe we could compromise and send all the dirty slutty American girls to Islamic coutnries in retaliation.

    Then again I’d still be stucking meeting puritan girls so that would kind of suck.

  33. #33 |  omar | 

    C. S. P. Schofield,

    Do you really think we should deal with our problems with nukes? Is your temper so short when someone commits an evil act that you have to respond a thousand-fold?

  34. #34 |  Mattocracy | 

    I could easily see Osama using the same logic as C. S. P. Schofield…

    “My preferred way of dealing with American troops in Islamic countries is to fly two plans into two large building in America. We are not doing this because these innocent people have anything to do with it, we are doing this to remind the world how truly unpleasant life can be if we are your enemy. And if there are any more attacks on Islamic soil, well, we have a lot of suicide bombers.”

  35. #35 |  c andrew | 

    #17 | JS | August 22nd, 2011 at 2:03 pm
    lol I bet I am but I don’t anyone but mostly uptight Baptist girls. I need to meet some good some good old sinner girls!

    But obviously not some self-confessed “dirty-girls.” Yet one more great internet meme prostituted on the religious altar of sexual purity.

  36. #36 |  celticdragonchick | 

    @CSP

    but, you have to understand, my preferred way of dealing with the 9/11 attacks would have been to go on international television the next day with a top hat full of chits. I’d pick five chits. Each chit would have the name of a city in an Islamic country. I would say “These five cities will be destroyed by nuclear fire within 48 hours. We are not doing this because these cities were behind the attacks yesterday. We are doing this to remind the world how truly unpleasant life can be if we are your enemy. And if there are any more attacks on United States soil, well, we have a lot of bombs.”
    I doubt that we would be attacked again for fifty years.

    Uh…nice to see that old school Roman decimation is still in vogue with some folks, I guess.

    Aside from the sheer genocidal insanity of randomly turning cities into green radioactive glass, what makes you think that it would stop attacks? Stateless terrorists would love exactly the sort of thing you propose since it reinforces their narrative that the evil West is at war wiht all of Islam. Nuking countries that they are not loyal to anyway will not dissuade the kind of suicidal nihilism they subscribe to.

  37. #37 |  witless chum | 

    “Then again I’d still be stucking meeting puritan girls so that would kind of suck.”

    I think if you stuck a puritan girl she’s probably just pretending to be pure.

    The actual hat buckles and Cotton Mather Puritans were much more chill about sex than people like the OMGSHESPLAYINGHERLADYFIDDLELORDJESUS types of the link. Bundling and all.

  38. #38 |  witless chum | 

    “Aside from the sheer genocidal insanity of randomly turning cities into green radioactive glass, what makes you think that it would stop attacks? Stateless terrorists would love exactly the sort of thing you propose since it reinforces their narrative that the evil West is at war wiht all of Islam. Nuking countries that they are not loyal to anyway will not dissuade the kind of suicidal nihilism they subscribe to.”

    No shit. Please, Brer Bush, don’t nuke the briar patch where the people we hate at least as much as we hate you live. But the practical difficulties with random-ass genocide probably isn’t a worthwhile subject to explore.

    And same celticdragon from Lawyers, Guns and Money of yore? If so, howdy.

  39. #39 |  Dave Krueger | 

    Battling the scourge of . . . female masturbation.

    Wait. Women masturbate?

  40. #40 |  Danny | 

    On Libya: This ain’t “Star Trek,” people, and there ain’t no “Prime Directive” in the U.S. Constitution.

    A declaration of war from Congress may be necessary to open the door to some extraordinary measures, like the draft, or sending militia or national guard into foreign combat, but opening a can of whoop-ass on a latter-day Barbary Pirate like Qaddafi is all in a day’s business for the Commander in Chief.

    Cheer up. Your country won, after all. And NATO did more for the cause of individual freedom than all the Libertarian hotel confabs of the past 30 years combined.

  41. #41 |  omar | 

    A declaration of war from Congress may be necessary to open the door to some extraordinary measures, like the draft, or sending militia or national guard into foreign combat

    Would it now?

  42. #42 |  Pasquin | 

    Thinkprogress is not alone. NPR was full of, “It worked! Who can criticize now?”

    Um, me. You. Others.

    Who’s going to tell them that ‘might makes right’ is an ethic that one outgrows?

  43. #43 |  Mattocracy | 

    “Cheer up. Your country won, after all. And NATO did more for the cause of individual freedom than all the Libertarian hotel confabs of the past 30 years combined.”

    That’s a mighty big assumption that the new government in Libya is going be that much better than the previous one. I might add that pissing away a few hundred million more US tax dollars on a not so sure thing isn’t much a win.

  44. #44 |  JS | 

    Dave Krueger “Wait. Women masturbate?”

    hahaha…I didn’t want to be the first to ask. Thanks Dave!

  45. #45 |  C. S. P. Schofield | 

    To all who are shocked at my proposing to use nukes;

    If, when Arafat first became a nuisance, we had shot the silly bastard in general principals, we would not now have an international ‘Islamic’ terrorism problem. The fringes of the world have always produced bands of bandits that kidnapped people and committed atrocities, but it is only when they aren’t put down like the rabid dogs they are that the become an international threat. We lost sight of that. We thought that they could be reasoned with. Even now, after decades of evidence to the contrary, some people think they can be reasoned with. Consequently, they have no real fear of the civilized nations of the earth, considering us weak.

    In the past the only reliable ways to deal with such bandits have been to conquer the countries the base in or to persuade those countries that it is better to do something about the bandits, lest we chose option A.

    I don’t want us to become a truly Imperial nation. We don’t have the temperament to do it as well as the Victorian British (sadly, neither do the British, anymore) and I fear what it would turn us into. (BTW; I say we aren’t YET an Imperial Nation because we aren’t pumping the oil out of Iraq for our own use. Yet.)

    I want the bandits, and the people who host them, to take us seriously again. Too many opportunities have been lost. Bush’s limited war by limited means for limited ends MIGHT have done the trick if we could have gotten the media onboard. We didn’t, for a lot of reasons. Now, I fear, it may take something pretty extreme just to get the world’s attention. Using Nukes coldly would be better than using them in a temper. And I seriously believe that that is a possibility. Let a large enough terror attack come off, say a fuel-air bomb in Detroit (where the government has broken down so badly that such a plot might be undetected), and the country really WILL ‘lash out’ in anger and fear, and woe betide the well meaning idiot who tries to stop it.

    I am genuinely frightened of what we might do. Nuking a handful of small cities after warning them that they were in our crosshairs is pretty mild compared to what I fear.

  46. #46 |  shecky | 

    Thinkprogress is partisan? This a revelation? Hell, it says as much on the package!

  47. #47 |  Windy | 

    I liked Harry Browne’s and Ron Paul’s ideas, Harry said put out a reward of a couple million bucks on Osama’s head, and Ron said use the Constitutional method of letters of marque and reprisal (http://legal-dictionary.thefreedictionary.com/Letter+of+marque+and+reprisal). Either would have worked, much faster, been a whole lot cheaper and would have left us looking really good in the eyes of the world.

  48. #48 |  Windy | 

    I’ve been posting these questions to social/Christian conservatives at various locations on the web:

    You believe God created humanity, so you also know that God gave humanity free will. Right? So then, when any person or group of people impose their morality, their belief in what lifestyle all people SHOULD live on any other person or group of people that would, clearly, be interfering with that person’s (those peoples’) God given free will. Correct? Isn’t such interference in the free will of other people blasphemous? So why would you vote for a candidate who advocates passing laws based on his/her personal religious morality? If you do that would be advocating the use of law to interfere with other people’s free will.

    Due to that God given rights/free will thing, I always expected true believers to be natural libertarians (live and let live) but, instead, most self identified Christians (especially the politically active ones) appear to be authoritarians (wanting to legislate personal morality for everyone else). Why is that?

    One man’s sins are another man’s vices are another man’s pleasures. Leave those up to God to judge. Humanity doesn’t need 10,000,000 laws on the books to cover that sort of thing.

    The ONLY sins/crimes with which humanity needs to concern itself are the violations of the rights to life, self-ownership/property and liberty/free will. If what you do does NOT violate someone else’s rights then it does not rise to the level of a crime.

    So far, not one has deigned to respond with an answer.

  49. #49 |  C. S. P. Schofield | 

    Windy,

    I’m not a Christian (I’m an Agnostic) but I sympathize with the 19th century Muscular Christianity, so I’ll try to answer your question. Christ (I don’t know his well enough to be on a first name basis) taught that if you WANT to commit the sin, and refrain because you are afraid of the Authorities, you are still a sinner. So laws against vice are no good, and in many ways are a sign of sin on the part of their sponsors. They are also probably inevitable, to a degree. There is always a faction of society that deeply believes that they are put upon this earth to tell other people what to do. In Christianity this is expressed in laws against adultery and eroticism. In Liberal Intellectual Radicalism we get regulation of salt, and the outlawing of Happy Meals. I am confident that both groups will (if there is and afterlife) be condemned to a circle of hell where they are surrounded by people enjoying themselves, and in which nobody pays them the slightest attention. And, of course, there is an ugly streak in all people that hates freedom, is frightened of it, and wants to be enfolded in a societal womb and told what to do.

    That said, I think there is some benefit to a society having a firm set of beliefs about what is beyond the pale, and saying so. The British were disgusted by Suttee, and did a lot to stamp it out. I think that anybody who criticizes this is deranged. Regrettably the 20th century was not able to be form enough on the matter of blowing up busloads of Israelis and other civilians, and now we have ‘terrorists’ (barbarians fits better) coming out of every orifice.

    I think that Churches should hold themselves separate from the State not because of the Constitution (where the phrase does not appear) but because it is their business to disapprove of behavior that the State should ignore (Prostitution, Drug taking, gambling). It weakens the message of any Church to get tangled up in the amorality of the State.

    FYI; I consider myself a Political Crank, so don’t read too much into my opinions; most of the Right would be appalled by them.

  50. #50 |  witless chum | 

    “I want the bandits, and the people who host them, to take us seriously again. Too many opportunities have been lost. Bush’s limited war by limited means for limited ends MIGHT have done the trick if we could have gotten the media onboard. We didn’t, for a lot of reasons. Now, I fear, it may take something pretty extreme just to get the world’s attention. Using Nukes coldly would be better than using them in a temper. And I seriously believe that that is a possibility. Let a large enough terror attack come off, say a fuel-air bomb in Detroit (where the government has broken down so badly that such a plot might be undetected), and the country really WILL ‘lash out’ in anger and fear, and woe betide the well meaning idiot who tries to stop it.”

    Let’s nuke that bridge when we come to it. The idea that we need to commit a pretty huge atrocity because you fear we might commit a bigger one down the road doesn’t seem to rational.

    International terrorists are generally not that big of threat. Even if you count the military casualties of our responses. They haven’t killed that many Americans. It’s useful to the government and to the media to play up the threat, but it really isn’t that big. As a person who lives in medium-sized U.S. city and flies infrequently, my chances of being injured or killed by an international terrorist are so small I can’t even conceive of how I’d calculate them.

    And Detroit would be a uniquely bad target for a fuel air bomb because it’s just insanely spread out. It’s sort of the first modern city that grew up with the car, I guess appropriately.

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