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	<description>It rankles me when somebody tries to tell somebody what to do.</description>
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		<title>By: Steve</title>
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		<dc:creator>Steve</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 17 Aug 2011 03:28:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Lots of bootlicking indeed over there. We can clearly see that some people actually believe the propaganda that says &quot;there&#039;s a terrorist hiding behind every dumpster.&quot;]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Lots of bootlicking indeed over there. We can clearly see that some people actually believe the propaganda that says &#8220;there&#8217;s a terrorist hiding behind every dumpster.&#8221;</p>
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		<title>By: EJ</title>
		<link>http://www.theagitator.com/2011/08/14/the-policeman-as-art-critic/comment-page-1/#comment-1477308</link>
		<dc:creator>EJ</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 16 Aug 2011 16:31:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Somebody should have told Ridley Scott that refinery had no aesthetic value before he went and used it for the opening shot of Blade Runner.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Somebody should have told Ridley Scott that refinery had no aesthetic value before he went and used it for the opening shot of Blade Runner.</p>
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		<title>By: varmintito</title>
		<link>http://www.theagitator.com/2011/08/14/the-policeman-as-art-critic/comment-page-1/#comment-1473637</link>
		<dc:creator>varmintito</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 15 Aug 2011 22:38:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[As an occasional industrial archaeologist (wow, that sounds so much fancier than &quot;guy who thinks abandoned factories look interesting&quot;), this approach to crime-fighting is absurd.

1. Chemical plants, with their tangles of pipes, catwalks, and scale, have obvious aesthetic appeal, especially when a refinery running at full capacity burns off waste gas at night.  I also offer the climactic scene in &quot;White Heat&quot; where Jimmy Cagney flees the cops at a refinery, then goes out in a blaze of glory.

2. Most pictures tourists take have far more personal than aesthetic appeal.  Not much market among the artsy-fartsy types for pictures of your kids eating cotton candy on the line for Space Mountain.  Grandma likes them, though.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>As an occasional industrial archaeologist (wow, that sounds so much fancier than &#8220;guy who thinks abandoned factories look interesting&#8221;), this approach to crime-fighting is absurd.</p>
<p>1. Chemical plants, with their tangles of pipes, catwalks, and scale, have obvious aesthetic appeal, especially when a refinery running at full capacity burns off waste gas at night.  I also offer the climactic scene in &#8220;White Heat&#8221; where Jimmy Cagney flees the cops at a refinery, then goes out in a blaze of glory.</p>
<p>2. Most pictures tourists take have far more personal than aesthetic appeal.  Not much market among the artsy-fartsy types for pictures of your kids eating cotton candy on the line for Space Mountain.  Grandma likes them, though.</p>
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		<title>By: JS</title>
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		<dc:creator>JS</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 15 Aug 2011 18:12:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Maria &quot;Also, why do these cops always think that the photographer strolling around the front gate with their obvious camera is the suspicious terrorist?&quot;

They don&#039;t really. Terrorism is just an excuse. Since the Rodney King beating in the 80&#039;s conventional wisdom among police has been that the guy with the camera is your enemy.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Maria &#8220;Also, why do these cops always think that the photographer strolling around the front gate with their obvious camera is the suspicious terrorist?&#8221;</p>
<p>They don&#8217;t really. Terrorism is just an excuse. Since the Rodney King beating in the 80&#8242;s conventional wisdom among police has been that the guy with the camera is your enemy.</p>
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		<title>By: Boyd Durkin</title>
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		<dc:creator>Boyd Durkin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 15 Aug 2011 14:46:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[My buddy from the future says that the Camera Registration Act of Jan 2014 resulted in all photographs being instantly uploaded to the Homeland Security RaPicScan database.  This prevents people from taking pics of naked kids or strategic buildings.  In Feb 2014 a state agent was put on paid leave for downloading 13,000 pics of boobs.

When does the state decide all people are threats and must be eliminated?  Didn&#039;t this plot happen like 1,000 times on Star Trek and other SciFi shows?]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>My buddy from the future says that the Camera Registration Act of Jan 2014 resulted in all photographs being instantly uploaded to the Homeland Security RaPicScan database.  This prevents people from taking pics of naked kids or strategic buildings.  In Feb 2014 a state agent was put on paid leave for downloading 13,000 pics of boobs.</p>
<p>When does the state decide all people are threats and must be eliminated?  Didn&#8217;t this plot happen like 1,000 times on Star Trek and other SciFi shows?</p>
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		<title>By: Mannie</title>
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		<dc:creator>Mannie</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 15 Aug 2011 14:38:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[&lt;blockquote&gt; ” officers make such judgments “based on their overall training and experience” and will generally approach photographers not engaging in “regular tourist behavior.” &lt;/blockquote&gt;

In other words, based only on their general mood of thuggishness.

&lt;blockquote&gt; #8 &#124;  MacGregory &#124;  August 14th, 2011 at 11:19 pm

I find the whole “we can tell when people are lying” thing to be comical as well, considering it’s being uttered by the biggest bunch of fucking liars on this planet. &lt;/blockquote&gt;

It takes one to know one?]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p> ” officers make such judgments “based on their overall training and experience” and will generally approach photographers not engaging in “regular tourist behavior.” </p></blockquote>
<p>In other words, based only on their general mood of thuggishness.</p>
<blockquote><p> #8 |  MacGregory |  August 14th, 2011 at 11:19 pm</p>
<p>I find the whole “we can tell when people are lying” thing to be comical as well, considering it’s being uttered by the biggest bunch of fucking liars on this planet. </p></blockquote>
<p>It takes one to know one?</p>
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		<title>By: Maria</title>
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		<dc:creator>Maria</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 15 Aug 2011 14:32:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Don&#039;t tell Jim McDonnell about Google earth or Google street view... or telephoto lenses.

I personally love the look of factories and industrial equipment, especially power generation. I guess my portfolio of industrial, wind, and oil and gas works is now aiding and abetting terrorism? Do I need to take my flickr account down in case some guy in a cave (in Afghanistan or in Utah, take your pick) decides to check them out? 

Also, why do these cops always think that the photographer strolling around the front gate with their obvious camera is the suspicious terrorist? It&#039;s 2011, have they not heard of smart phones and pocket cameras? Hell, there are phones out there with higher resolution then my old Nikon. 

I&#039;ve always thought that if someone really wanted to do surveillance for nefarious reasons they&#039;d do it while strategically hidden and with something above a 300mm. Or pretend they are texting on their smart phone. I guess I have read too many spy novels and figure they wouldn&#039;t want to be noticed. What the hell do I know about all this crazy, complex &quot;protection biznes&quot; stuff anyways, I just live here.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Don&#8217;t tell Jim McDonnell about Google earth or Google street view&#8230; or telephoto lenses.</p>
<p>I personally love the look of factories and industrial equipment, especially power generation. I guess my portfolio of industrial, wind, and oil and gas works is now aiding and abetting terrorism? Do I need to take my flickr account down in case some guy in a cave (in Afghanistan or in Utah, take your pick) decides to check them out? </p>
<p>Also, why do these cops always think that the photographer strolling around the front gate with their obvious camera is the suspicious terrorist? It&#8217;s 2011, have they not heard of smart phones and pocket cameras? Hell, there are phones out there with higher resolution then my old Nikon. </p>
<p>I&#8217;ve always thought that if someone really wanted to do surveillance for nefarious reasons they&#8217;d do it while strategically hidden and with something above a 300mm. Or pretend they are texting on their smart phone. I guess I have read too many spy novels and figure they wouldn&#8217;t want to be noticed. What the hell do I know about all this crazy, complex &#8220;protection biznes&#8221; stuff anyways, I just live here.</p>
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		<title>By: Bronwyn</title>
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		<dc:creator>Bronwyn</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 15 Aug 2011 12:55:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[@ Mister DNA

It&#039;s Trinity University in San Antonio (class of &#039;99) :)]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@ Mister DNA</p>
<p>It&#8217;s Trinity University in San Antonio (class of &#8217;99) :)</p>
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		<title>By: Mister DNA</title>
		<link>http://www.theagitator.com/2011/08/14/the-policeman-as-art-critic/comment-page-1/#comment-1471533</link>
		<dc:creator>Mister DNA</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 15 Aug 2011 12:14:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[&lt;blockquote&gt;&lt;i&gt;“Now we got a nice, quiet little beach community here, and I aim to keep it nice and quiet. So let me make something plain. I don’t like you sucking around, bothering our citizens, Wolff. I don’t like your jerk-off name. I don’t like your jerk-off face. I don’t like your jerk-off photos, and I don’t like you, jerk-off. Do I make myself clear?”&lt;/i&gt;&lt;/blockquote&gt;

+1 Creedence tape]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p><i>“Now we got a nice, quiet little beach community here, and I aim to keep it nice and quiet. So let me make something plain. I don’t like you sucking around, bothering our citizens, Wolff. I don’t like your jerk-off name. I don’t like your jerk-off face. I don’t like your jerk-off photos, and I don’t like you, jerk-off. Do I make myself clear?”</i></p></blockquote>
<p>+1 Creedence tape</p>
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		<title>By: smeghead</title>
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		<dc:creator>smeghead</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 15 Aug 2011 12:00:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Because this has gotten so goddamned ridiculous.
No doubt!]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Because this has gotten so goddamned ridiculous.<br />
No doubt!</p>
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		<title>By: Henry Bowman</title>
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		<dc:creator>Henry Bowman</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 15 Aug 2011 11:46:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[&lt;blockquote&gt;Seriously, did they even do this kind of shit back in the old Soviet Union?&lt;/blockquote&gt;

Yes, they did. I spent quite a bit of time in the old USSR, and I took a lot of photos. But, we were very explicitly warned not to take photos of military installations, etc. For the most part, though, those were moot points, as our travels were rather closely monitored: we didn&#039;t come anywhere near anything that was sensitive.

The fact that the US has morphed into the USSR does not make me happy.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>Seriously, did they even do this kind of shit back in the old Soviet Union?</p></blockquote>
<p>Yes, they did. I spent quite a bit of time in the old USSR, and I took a lot of photos. But, we were very explicitly warned not to take photos of military installations, etc. For the most part, though, those were moot points, as our travels were rather closely monitored: we didn&#8217;t come anywhere near anything that was sensitive.</p>
<p>The fact that the US has morphed into the USSR does not make me happy.</p>
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		<title>By: freebob</title>
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		<dc:creator>freebob</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 15 Aug 2011 11:42:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[&quot;Sander Roscoe... regular contributor to Long Beach Post&quot; &quot;officers make such judgments “based on their overall training and experience”&quot;
I&#039;m sure as Roscoe was explaining to the officer that he&#039;s a member of the press, the officer was using his &#039;overall training and experience&#039; to explain he&#039;s just following orders.

@14: Don&#039;t you know we are living in the End Times, we no longer need to document things for future generations.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;Sander Roscoe&#8230; regular contributor to Long Beach Post&#8221; &#8220;officers make such judgments “based on their overall training and experience”&#8221;<br />
I&#8217;m sure as Roscoe was explaining to the officer that he&#8217;s a member of the press, the officer was using his &#8216;overall training and experience&#8217; to explain he&#8217;s just following orders.</p>
<p>@14: Don&#8217;t you know we are living in the End Times, we no longer need to document things for future generations.</p>
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		<title>By: Ben</title>
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		<dc:creator>Ben</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 15 Aug 2011 11:29:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[&quot;Now we got a nice, quiet little beach community here, and I aim to keep it nice and quiet. So let me make something plain. I don&#039;t like you sucking around, bothering our citizens, Wolff. I don&#039;t like your jerk-off name. I don&#039;t like your jerk-off face. I don&#039;t like your jerk-off photos, and I don&#039;t like you, jerk-off. Do I make myself clear?&quot;]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;Now we got a nice, quiet little beach community here, and I aim to keep it nice and quiet. So let me make something plain. I don&#8217;t like you sucking around, bothering our citizens, Wolff. I don&#8217;t like your jerk-off name. I don&#8217;t like your jerk-off face. I don&#8217;t like your jerk-off photos, and I don&#8217;t like you, jerk-off. Do I make myself clear?&#8221;</p>
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		<title>By: Frank Hummel</title>
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		<dc:creator>Frank Hummel</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 15 Aug 2011 11:17:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Warning, racist comment.

Asif Kahn detains Sander Roscoe Wolff for suspicion of terrorist activities. How ironic is that?]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Warning, racist comment.</p>
<p>Asif Kahn detains Sander Roscoe Wolff for suspicion of terrorist activities. How ironic is that?</p>
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		<title>By: croaker</title>
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		<dc:creator>croaker</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 15 Aug 2011 10:31:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[@13 Actually, they were much worse.  Take a picture of the wrong thing (people standing in line for bread) and the Army would drag you off to prison.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@13 Actually, they were much worse.  Take a picture of the wrong thing (people standing in line for bread) and the Army would drag you off to prison.</p>
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		<title>By: Mister DNA</title>
		<link>http://www.theagitator.com/2011/08/14/the-policeman-as-art-critic/comment-page-1/#comment-1471026</link>
		<dc:creator>Mister DNA</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 15 Aug 2011 10:28:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Crap. I just went to the link and read the comments.

There&#039;s some hardcore bootlicking going on there.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Crap. I just went to the link and read the comments.</p>
<p>There&#8217;s some hardcore bootlicking going on there.</p>
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		<title>By: Jack Dempsey</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jack Dempsey</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 15 Aug 2011 10:01:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I think you are all being too hard on the cops.  They have a hard job to do - remember, they think everyone is out to kill them and make sure they don&#039;t go home at the end of their shift, and people taking pictures are the worst of all.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think you are all being too hard on the cops.  They have a hard job to do &#8211; remember, they think everyone is out to kill them and make sure they don&#8217;t go home at the end of their shift, and people taking pictures are the worst of all.</p>
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		<title>By: FridayNext</title>
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		<dc:creator>FridayNext</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 15 Aug 2011 09:28:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[As someone involved with the field of public history, let me add that their are scholarly reasons to document architectural structures, even industrial ones. There is a whole field of industrial archeologists who are as dangerous as dancers at the Jefferson Memorial and just ripe for arrest.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>As someone involved with the field of public history, let me add that their are scholarly reasons to document architectural structures, even industrial ones. There is a whole field of industrial archeologists who are as dangerous as dancers at the Jefferson Memorial and just ripe for arrest.</p>
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		<title>By: Judas Peckerwood</title>
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		<dc:creator>Judas Peckerwood</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 15 Aug 2011 06:39:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Seriously, did they even do this kind of shit back in the old Soviet Union?]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Seriously, did they even do this kind of shit back in the old Soviet Union?</p>
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		<title>By: Jim March</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jim March</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 15 Aug 2011 06:30:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[We ought to make the cops grab small stinging insects in their hands.

After all, beauty is the in the eye of the bee holder.

Ahem.  Sorry.

On a more serious note, what we have here is an extension of the &quot;principle&quot; that cops or other authorities can decide who is and is not a &quot;journalist&quot; worthy of full 1st Amendment press protections, including &quot;edgy&quot; stuff such as the protection of sources.  We have, so far, let them get away with that.  It&#039;s only a small step from there to deciding who&#039;s an &quot;artist&quot;.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>We ought to make the cops grab small stinging insects in their hands.</p>
<p>After all, beauty is the in the eye of the bee holder.</p>
<p>Ahem.  Sorry.</p>
<p>On a more serious note, what we have here is an extension of the &#8220;principle&#8221; that cops or other authorities can decide who is and is not a &#8220;journalist&#8221; worthy of full 1st Amendment press protections, including &#8220;edgy&#8221; stuff such as the protection of sources.  We have, so far, let them get away with that.  It&#8217;s only a small step from there to deciding who&#8217;s an &#8220;artist&#8221;.</p>
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