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	<description>It rankles me when somebody tries to tell somebody what to do.</description>
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		<title>By: Joe</title>
		<link>http://www.theagitator.com/2011/08/03/morning-links-514/comment-page-1/#comment-1427102</link>
		<dc:creator>Joe</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 06 Aug 2011 14:02:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Building department suck.  They rarely find bad contractors and often allow unsafe construction to be built.  And you can&#039;t sue them when they do screw up.    

But woa to you if you are just some homeowner who crosses their path.  Then they figure you can not afford to hire a lawyer and they can fuck with you.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Building department suck.  They rarely find bad contractors and often allow unsafe construction to be built.  And you can&#8217;t sue them when they do screw up.    </p>
<p>But woa to you if you are just some homeowner who crosses their path.  Then they figure you can not afford to hire a lawyer and they can fuck with you.</p>
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		<title>By: Cyto</title>
		<link>http://www.theagitator.com/2011/08/03/morning-links-514/comment-page-1/#comment-1416566</link>
		<dc:creator>Cyto</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 04 Aug 2011 22:29:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[#45 &#124;  Windy &#124;

in a related story, &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.wcnc.com/news/local/Police-dog-bites-woman-115342794.html&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;a police dog attacked a woman dressed in a blue jumpsuit that resembles the training suit.&lt;/a&gt;  She was taken to the hospital and treated for her bite wounds.

Strangely, the officer didn&#039;t feel the need to fire his weapon to prevent imminent bodily harm.   Hmmm....]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>#45 |  Windy |</p>
<p>in a related story, <a href="http://www.wcnc.com/news/local/Police-dog-bites-woman-115342794.html" rel="nofollow">a police dog attacked a woman dressed in a blue jumpsuit that resembles the training suit.</a>  She was taken to the hospital and treated for her bite wounds.</p>
<p>Strangely, the officer didn&#8217;t feel the need to fire his weapon to prevent imminent bodily harm.   Hmmm&#8230;.</p>
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		<title>By: Cyto</title>
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		<dc:creator>Cyto</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 04 Aug 2011 22:24:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[&lt;blockquote&gt;#30 &#124;  Dave Krueger &#124;  August 3rd, 2011 at 11:52 am
I’m not ready to leave the country yet. We’re still the freest country on the planet as measured by our complete lack of any prison camps (within our national boundaries anyway) and&lt;b&gt; the fact that our police can’t just go around executing people at will (at least when there are cameras around).&lt;/b&gt;&lt;/blockquote&gt;

Well, unless you are a homeless schizophrenic.  Then all bets are off.

On a more positive note, it looks like the community isn&#039;t going to stand for a whitewash of this one (Kelly Thomas).  Maybe they won&#039;t be charged for the murder they committed, but it does look like the complete exoneration that was under way is off the table - as long as the people keep up the pressure.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>#30 |  Dave Krueger |  August 3rd, 2011 at 11:52 am<br />
I’m not ready to leave the country yet. We’re still the freest country on the planet as measured by our complete lack of any prison camps (within our national boundaries anyway) and<b> the fact that our police can’t just go around executing people at will (at least when there are cameras around).</b></p></blockquote>
<p>Well, unless you are a homeless schizophrenic.  Then all bets are off.</p>
<p>On a more positive note, it looks like the community isn&#8217;t going to stand for a whitewash of this one (Kelly Thomas).  Maybe they won&#8217;t be charged for the murder they committed, but it does look like the complete exoneration that was under way is off the table &#8211; as long as the people keep up the pressure.</p>
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		<title>By: Dave Krueger</title>
		<link>http://www.theagitator.com/2011/08/03/morning-links-514/comment-page-1/#comment-1414370</link>
		<dc:creator>Dave Krueger</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 04 Aug 2011 12:43:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[&lt;blockquote&gt;#45   Windy 

OT but right up our alley, it’s an update on a puppycide last year:
http://www.king5.com/news/local/Protesters-to-show-support-for-owners-of-dog-killed-by-police-126582708.html&lt;/blockquote&gt;

From the article:  &lt;i&gt;The City of Des Moines conducted its own internal investigation and found no wrongdoing in the shooting of the dog.&lt;/i&gt;

That&#039;s &#039;cause a cop wouldn&#039;t be able to detect wrongdoing by another cop if it climbed up and took a big ol&#039; steaming dump in his lap.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>#45   Windy </p>
<p>OT but right up our alley, it’s an update on a puppycide last year:<br />
<a href="http://www.king5.com/news/local/Protesters-to-show-support-for-owners-of-dog-killed-by-police-126582708.html" rel="nofollow">http://www.king5.com/news/local/Protesters-to-show-support-for-owners-of-dog-killed-by-police-126582708.html</a></p></blockquote>
<p>From the article:  <i>The City of Des Moines conducted its own internal investigation and found no wrongdoing in the shooting of the dog.</i></p>
<p>That&#8217;s &#8217;cause a cop wouldn&#8217;t be able to detect wrongdoing by another cop if it climbed up and took a big ol&#8217; steaming dump in his lap.</p>
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		<title>By: Windy</title>
		<link>http://www.theagitator.com/2011/08/03/morning-links-514/comment-page-1/#comment-1413006</link>
		<dc:creator>Windy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 04 Aug 2011 07:09:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[OT but right up our alley, it&#039;s an update on a puppycide last year:
http://www.king5.com/news/local/Protesters-to-show-support-for-owners-of-dog-killed-by-police-126582708.html]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>OT but right up our alley, it&#8217;s an update on a puppycide last year:<br />
<a href="http://www.king5.com/news/local/Protesters-to-show-support-for-owners-of-dog-killed-by-police-126582708.html" rel="nofollow">http://www.king5.com/news/local/Protesters-to-show-support-for-owners-of-dog-killed-by-police-126582708.html</a></p>
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		<title>By: Nancy Lebovitz</title>
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		<dc:creator>Nancy Lebovitz</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 04 Aug 2011 06:37:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[US weapons are getting sold to Somali terrorists at least partly because of one of those &quot;we&#039;re in charge and we mean well&quot; decisions. Instead of paying soldiers directly, the money-- all the money-- was sent to their families. Actually, there are things the soldiers quite reasonably want and need to buy, and there are all those valuable weapons just sitting there....]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>US weapons are getting sold to Somali terrorists at least partly because of one of those &#8220;we&#8217;re in charge and we mean well&#8221; decisions. Instead of paying soldiers directly, the money&#8211; all the money&#8211; was sent to their families. Actually, there are things the soldiers quite reasonably want and need to buy, and there are all those valuable weapons just sitting there&#8230;.</p>
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		<title>By: Highway</title>
		<link>http://www.theagitator.com/2011/08/03/morning-links-514/comment-page-1/#comment-1412216</link>
		<dc:creator>Highway</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 04 Aug 2011 03:59:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Buzz, other reasons to pull off the old shingles include mold on the shingles, curling, and excessive damage or wear, but generally if a roof is in good shape, you can&#039;t really tell that there is a second layer of shingles.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Buzz, other reasons to pull off the old shingles include mold on the shingles, curling, and excessive damage or wear, but generally if a roof is in good shape, you can&#8217;t really tell that there is a second layer of shingles.</p>
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		<title>By: Buzz</title>
		<link>http://www.theagitator.com/2011/08/03/morning-links-514/comment-page-1/#comment-1411358</link>
		<dc:creator>Buzz</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 04 Aug 2011 00:39:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I helped my dad re shingle our house&#039;s roof back in &#039;85.  We pulled all the shingles where we needed to replace the plywood and shingled over the old shingles where we didn&#039;t.  Having two layers of shingles has nothing to do with it being more or less susceptible to fire.  That roof is still solid after 26 years.   As far as I can tell, the only reason to pull the old shingles is to inspect the plywood under the roof, and that double shingles might look funny, depending on how you do it.  Not sure how either is the governments business.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I helped my dad re shingle our house&#8217;s roof back in &#8217;85.  We pulled all the shingles where we needed to replace the plywood and shingled over the old shingles where we didn&#8217;t.  Having two layers of shingles has nothing to do with it being more or less susceptible to fire.  That roof is still solid after 26 years.   As far as I can tell, the only reason to pull the old shingles is to inspect the plywood under the roof, and that double shingles might look funny, depending on how you do it.  Not sure how either is the governments business.</p>
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		<title>By: Medicine Man</title>
		<link>http://www.theagitator.com/2011/08/03/morning-links-514/comment-page-1/#comment-1410899</link>
		<dc:creator>Medicine Man</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 03 Aug 2011 22:29:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[The woodpecker story reminds me of the term &quot;Lawful Stupid&quot; for some reason.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The woodpecker story reminds me of the term &#8220;Lawful Stupid&#8221; for some reason.</p>
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		<title>By: gersan</title>
		<link>http://www.theagitator.com/2011/08/03/morning-links-514/comment-page-1/#comment-1410108</link>
		<dc:creator>gersan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 03 Aug 2011 19:06:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[&quot;Allegedly extremist budget deal doesn’t actually cut government spending.&quot;

Glad to hear it, Radley. I&#039;m glad that millions of poor and elderly people will not starve to death or get kicked out of their homes or die of preventable diseases due to narcissistic libertarian philosophy.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;Allegedly extremist budget deal doesn’t actually cut government spending.&#8221;</p>
<p>Glad to hear it, Radley. I&#8217;m glad that millions of poor and elderly people will not starve to death or get kicked out of their homes or die of preventable diseases due to narcissistic libertarian philosophy.</p>
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		<title>By: KBCraig</title>
		<link>http://www.theagitator.com/2011/08/03/morning-links-514/comment-page-1/#comment-1409986</link>
		<dc:creator>KBCraig</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 03 Aug 2011 18:22:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Totally unrelated to shingles: news on the Texas Innocence front.

http://gritsforbreakfast.blogspot.com/2011/08/innocence-roundup.html]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Totally unrelated to shingles: news on the Texas Innocence front.</p>
<p><a href="http://gritsforbreakfast.blogspot.com/2011/08/innocence-roundup.html" rel="nofollow">http://gritsforbreakfast.blogspot.com/2011/08/innocence-roundup.html</a></p>
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		<title>By: tumble</title>
		<link>http://www.theagitator.com/2011/08/03/morning-links-514/comment-page-1/#comment-1409800</link>
		<dc:creator>tumble</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 03 Aug 2011 17:21:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[ALL YOU SUGGESTING THE GUY DID A POOR SHINGLING JOBS ARE IGNORANT FOOLS. Asphalt 3-tabs are designed to go up to 3 layers deep. No problem with doubling up. You people will shove your judgment and opinions into whatever hole you think you can fit it into.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>ALL YOU SUGGESTING THE GUY DID A POOR SHINGLING JOBS ARE IGNORANT FOOLS. Asphalt 3-tabs are designed to go up to 3 layers deep. No problem with doubling up. You people will shove your judgment and opinions into whatever hole you think you can fit it into.</p>
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		<title>By: Boyd Durkin</title>
		<link>http://www.theagitator.com/2011/08/03/morning-links-514/comment-page-1/#comment-1409774</link>
		<dc:creator>Boyd Durkin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 03 Aug 2011 17:11:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[As a participant in backyard bird surveys, I&#039;d say the pecker was hairy.

They are plentiful, protected, and not endangered.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>As a participant in backyard bird surveys, I&#8217;d say the pecker was hairy.</p>
<p>They are plentiful, protected, and not endangered.</p>
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		<title>By: the innominate one</title>
		<link>http://www.theagitator.com/2011/08/03/morning-links-514/comment-page-1/#comment-1409767</link>
		<dc:creator>the innominate one</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 03 Aug 2011 17:07:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[About the woodpecker:

USFWS definitely overreacted.  The woman should have been protected on good Samaritan grounds, if not just common sense.  At least the agency apologized (admittedly belatedly).  It does appear to be the mistaken or overzealous actions of an agent, not agency policy.

To clarify one minor point (nitpick, if you prefer), although Radley refers to the woodpecker as &quot;endangered&quot; the article and video refer to it as &quot;protected&quot; and never identify the species.  From the video, it looks like a downy or a hairy woodpecker, which are not endangered species, but are protected under the Migratory Bird Act, rather than the Endangered Species Act.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>About the woodpecker:</p>
<p>USFWS definitely overreacted.  The woman should have been protected on good Samaritan grounds, if not just common sense.  At least the agency apologized (admittedly belatedly).  It does appear to be the mistaken or overzealous actions of an agent, not agency policy.</p>
<p>To clarify one minor point (nitpick, if you prefer), although Radley refers to the woodpecker as &#8220;endangered&#8221; the article and video refer to it as &#8220;protected&#8221; and never identify the species.  From the video, it looks like a downy or a hairy woodpecker, which are not endangered species, but are protected under the Migratory Bird Act, rather than the Endangered Species Act.</p>
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		<title>By: JS</title>
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		<dc:creator>JS</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 03 Aug 2011 16:33:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Boyd, if  by asshole you mean smart guy.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Boyd, if  by asshole you mean smart guy.</p>
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		<title>By: Boyd Durkin</title>
		<link>http://www.theagitator.com/2011/08/03/morning-links-514/comment-page-1/#comment-1409663</link>
		<dc:creator>Boyd Durkin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 03 Aug 2011 16:33:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Building codes maximize the Authoritarian stance of the state (tell you what to do, fine you, throw you in jail) while also minimizing the state&#039;s liability (not responsible for thorough inspections, not liable for bad codes, no guarantees, no claim of best practices).

Let&#039;s put them in charge of health care!]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Building codes maximize the Authoritarian stance of the state (tell you what to do, fine you, throw you in jail) while also minimizing the state&#8217;s liability (not responsible for thorough inspections, not liable for bad codes, no guarantees, no claim of best practices).</p>
<p>Let&#8217;s put them in charge of health care!</p>
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		<title>By: Boyd Durkin</title>
		<link>http://www.theagitator.com/2011/08/03/morning-links-514/comment-page-1/#comment-1409652</link>
		<dc:creator>Boyd Durkin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 03 Aug 2011 16:27:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I was never concerned about the US Government actually reducing spending or seriously addressing debt reduction (both would potentially devastate my investment portfolio).  

True to form, you can always bet/invest on the USG to never get off the spending pipe.  It is a clear course toward crash city from here.

But remember, I&#039;m the asshole for profiting from them (USG) spending wildly.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I was never concerned about the US Government actually reducing spending or seriously addressing debt reduction (both would potentially devastate my investment portfolio).  </p>
<p>True to form, you can always bet/invest on the USG to never get off the spending pipe.  It is a clear course toward crash city from here.</p>
<p>But remember, I&#8217;m the asshole for profiting from them (USG) spending wildly.</p>
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		<title>By: JS</title>
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		<dc:creator>JS</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 03 Aug 2011 16:26:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Yizmo Gizmo &quot;Classic. Wasn’t this the lament of the poor and/or oppressed in Russia, Greece, Ireland about a hundred years ago, talking about rags-to-riches America?&quot;

Yea only they weren&#039;t considered traitors because they choose to go from spot A on planet earth to spot B. But it&#039;s different if an American wants to emmigrate. American exceptionalism and all that don&#039;t you know old chap.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yizmo Gizmo &#8220;Classic. Wasn’t this the lament of the poor and/or oppressed in Russia, Greece, Ireland about a hundred years ago, talking about rags-to-riches America?&#8221;</p>
<p>Yea only they weren&#8217;t considered traitors because they choose to go from spot A on planet earth to spot B. But it&#8217;s different if an American wants to emmigrate. American exceptionalism and all that don&#8217;t you know old chap.</p>
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		<title>By: DoubleU</title>
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		<dc:creator>DoubleU</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 03 Aug 2011 15:55:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[&lt;blockquote&gt;#24 Mannie 
He knew the National Electrical Code inside out. &lt;/blockquote&gt;

What about the local codes?  ;)]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>#24 Mannie<br />
He knew the National Electrical Code inside out. </p></blockquote>
<p>What about the local codes?  ;)</p>
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		<title>By: Dave Krueger</title>
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		<dc:creator>Dave Krueger</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 03 Aug 2011 15:52:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I&#039;m not ready to leave the country yet.  We&#039;re still the freest country on the planet as measured by our complete lack of any prison camps (within our national boundaries anyway) and the fact that our police can&#039;t just go around executing people at will (at least when there are cameras around).

Remember, it&#039;s not oppression when they outlaw something you didn&#039;t want to do anyway (and even if you did want to do it, it&#039;s usually a simple matter to convince yourself that you really didn&#039;t).]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m not ready to leave the country yet.  We&#8217;re still the freest country on the planet as measured by our complete lack of any prison camps (within our national boundaries anyway) and the fact that our police can&#8217;t just go around executing people at will (at least when there are cameras around).</p>
<p>Remember, it&#8217;s not oppression when they outlaw something you didn&#8217;t want to do anyway (and even if you did want to do it, it&#8217;s usually a simple matter to convince yourself that you really didn&#8217;t).</p>
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