The War on Lemonade

Tuesday, August 2nd, 2011

Creating new little libertarians.

Police in Coralville shut down at least three lemonade stands run by children over RAGBRAI weekend. According to Dustin Krutsinger, police shut down his four-year-old daughters stand after just 30 minutes. Krutsinger said the officer told his wife, “this isn’t the first time I’ve had to do this.”

Krutsinger said his daughter was selling lemonade for 25 cents a glass, and had made less than $5. According to the city of Coralville, 4-year-old Abigail Krutsinger was in violation of a two day ordinance, which required all vendors to have permits when RAGBRAI rolled into town.

Josh Schamberger, President of the Iowa City/Coralville Convention and Visitors Bureau, said the ordinance was passed to protect riders from possible health risks . . .

“If the line is drawn to the point where a four-year-old eight blocks away can’t sell a couple glasses of lemonade for 25 cents, than I think the line has been drawn at the wrong spot,” Krutsinger said.

A mother of six also said her kids had their lemonade stand on 18th Avenue shut down after just 20 minutes.

Bobbie Nelson said she laughed when a police officer told her that a permit to sell lemonade would cost $400.

“The kids were devastated,” Nelson said. “They just cried and didn’t understand why.”

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75 Responses to “The War on Lemonade”

  1. #1 |  Edwin | 

    You people really need to learn how to protest. Everyone reading this that has kids, needs to go outside this weekend and set up a lemonade stand. If cops come by to shut it down, let them do it! Take it all down. Then, after the cops leave, set it back up again. When they return, repeat the process.

    And now, here’s the most important part of this: FILM IT!

    (Have several cameras running. You’ll be on your own private property so you can film anything you want!)

  2. #2 |  Highway | 

    Leon, I couldn’t understand it because your grammar in the comment is atrocious. There’s no actual verb in the sentence, just a lot of clauses set off by commas.

    But based on your clarification, just claiming that ‘right wingers’ are ‘fucking everything up’ doesn’t make it true. Government overreach is not benign, and it’s not guaranteed to do anything, much less ‘work’. And the effort of trying to slow down the one-way ratchet that is government power is important. You are merely begging the question by assuming that government is good.

  3. #3 |  sam | 

    Hey you can say that for the WHOLE USA

  4. #4 |  Leon Wolfeson | 

    So you can’t read collequal English, well…yea, sorry, still not my problem.

    Business, I will remind you, has an overriding profit object and with very few exceptions corporate legal persons are psychopathic. Moreover, there’s usually no reason for them to give a shit beyond the surface as to your needs.

    Goverment *can*, on the other hand, if it’s allowed to run smoothly. If it spends all it’s energy dealing with legislative efforts which clog it up with nonsense and prevent sensible, clean bills from being passed, and then has lots of people screwing thing up because they CAN, because it’s GUBERMENT OHNOES, well…yes.

    It’s a one-way ratchet, as well, precisely because of the grit – it’s damage to the system, and it seeks to go round it. America has accumulated laws and regulations far faster than the more socialist of the EU counties…this is not a coincidence!

    Simply because I claim something isn’t necessarily true, but the way the right wing politicians in America have behaved recently would have got them tossed out on their ear here, and for good reason.

  5. #5 |  j r | 

    Really takes a lot of guts to shut down a kid’s lemonade stand. How do these cops look at themselves in the mirror every morning knowing what low-down vermin they are. I have more respect for real criminals.

  6. #6 |  Highway | 

    Anonymous, if you sign the contract, you’re bound by it. Is it shady as all hell to have the stupid covenants permanently attached to the deed? Hell yes. But if you have as a principle that contracts are binding as libertarians do, then whether the contract is good for someone or bad for someone doesn’t make a difference. The contract is voluntarily entered into, as a condition of sale. *That* is the sole reason that libertarians defend them.

    The tyranny is *not* supported. The process is. And it’s the process that needs to be counted on to protect other freedoms. The reform isn’t that we need to ignore contracts, it’s that HOA covenants shouldn’t be a part of the property deeding.

  7. #7 |  Harry Johnson | 

    Ragbrai started as a fun good time. It has become a money machine for the administrators and a huge rolling drunk.

  8. #8 |  Vil | 

    Government is good at running things into the ground, accumulating debt, which it passes on its subjects, and robbing people of their self-sufficiency. It makes people less apt to give a hand up to their neighbors, as it leeches them dry, and the only “hand up” that it gives is in the form of a permanent crutch, which causes those who receive this brand of “help” to become unable to exist without it. Then, after mercilessly depriving people of their ability to stand on their own two feet, its mouth pieces and yes men quickly demonize as uncaring, those who would rather see people be helped to help themselves, rather than to become little more than a pet of their representative bureaucrats.
    It is government, on both the right and the left, who, by different means, screw up the system, with the end result, both from extremes of right and left, being a lack of personal freedom. America’s founders did not break the chains of tyranny with the intent of us being ruled by huge bureaucracies. They intended for a self-sufficient republic, governed by average people, who answer to those who they represent. They did not intend an authoritarian system, whereby every minutia of our lives is regulated. Neither did they intend free market Capitalism to be allowed to morph into the hydra that is Corporatism, where big government (which the founders were against) walks lock-step with big business (which the founders were against, and against which Thomas Jefferson warned). Until and unless people are gradually brought back to a system of self-sufficiency (this must be gradual – cutting people off lock, stock, and barrel would have horrible results), and our federal government is reigned back to the limits imposed upon it at the time of our inception, we will be the Land of the Free in name only. Everyone has heard that freedom comes at the cost of lives. What we conveniently forget is that it comes at the cost of vigilance and responsibility. We get the government that we deserve. When we can’t be bothered to recognize that our civic duty goes FAR beyond the vote, that those in office, rather we wanted them in, or they won by the votes of others, are our employees. We live in an age, at least in this country, where even the homeless can get online. There is really no excuse for people to take an hour out of their week, if they can’t be bothered to do it daily, to get informed. Check sources of news stories, because the media can’t be trusted. This isn’t paranoia. It’s common sense. Think for yourself. Read. Study. Look at all sources and come to your own conclusions. When it comes to these vermin in office, Democrap or Repugnican (or, when applicable, any other party), study their history. Are these people who do what they say and say what they mean, or is it politics as usual? Study their voting record. Also study as much as you can about what went in to those votes. Did a bill get voted down for the wrong reasons that you assume, or because there were horrible riders on it? Did they really vote against something bad for your area, because they were representing your needs, or did they cast this negative vote only after getting several of their associates in office to vote favourably, knowing that multiple favourable votes outweigh their vote against something that they wanted to pass, which their constituents did not want? That may sound like a lot of work, and it is. Considering the price that was paid for our freedoms, we should be willing to do this. For the love of the gods, if you believe that watching American Idle and Keeping Up With the Useless Kardashians is somehow more important, then please, whatever you do, don’t vote. Just go back to sleep, and let those who care about what is happening to our nation do the voting. I say this REGARDLESS of where you stand. Even if you’re a Libertarian, as am I, and you can’t be bothered, then don’t be bothered. We now live in a time where we must decide if liberty is still more important than security, and if it is, we have to stand up to these tyrants and remind them that it is we, not they, who is boss. If we’re no longer willing to do this, then our founders and all who sacrificed for what they implemented are irrelevant failures. If that is the case, then so be it. Should that prove to be true, then when you fall prey to something equally or more stupid than what we’re seeing today, don’t expect a sympathetic ear from those who still understand the value of individual liberty. This country is only as great as the *individuals* who make it so. When the individuals become stepping stones for the collectivists, then we become a conglomerate of failure. I will fight to My dying breath to prevent that from happening, because too many people literally died for that very same cause. Some may view this as insane. To those, I say that it is your right to feel that way, but please, take your sanctimony elsewhere. Don’t inflict it upon a people who were fortunate enough to inherit a system that, for all of its flaws, was created to be better than that.

  9. #9 |  sj | 

    Lemonade gestapo.
    Just what we need.

    What we really need is to start saying “NO!” to these neo-nazi bastards, and hold them directly and personally accountable for their misdeeds.


  10. #10 |  Vil | 

    (In the previous comment, I meant to say that there is no excuse NOT to take an hour to do those things.)

  11. #11 |  hp | 

    What happens if and when the children commit the (non-law) but nonetheless criminal act of “contempt of cop” by telling the officer to buzz off or some such?

    More than a few people have died and thousands have been maimed and injured after breaking this sacred non-law.

  12. #12 |  Friday Christman | 

    Clue phone!

    Ring Ring ding a ling…

    It has already begun ….

  13. #13 |  DarkEFang | 

    Holy shit, what a wall o’ words.

    Here’s a helpful writing hint: Paragraphs are your friend.

    You might be the greatest essayist ever to grace this blog, but nobody’s going to read an unformatted, ten thousand sentence mass of word diarrhea.

  14. #14 |  European American | 

    They should have tazered those damn kids along with their parents and thrown them all in the slammer! This is a Fascist system we live in and let’s keep it that way!

  15. #15 |  Leon Wolfeson | 

    I read it. Yea, anyway, seems to be a defence of what Carson would call vulgar libertarianism. Of course, he’s also accused Radley of it, which I don’t really agree with (which, ironically, is what originally started me reading this blog).

  16. #16 |  bys | 

    Lemonade is a gateway drug—first it’s lemonade stands and soon its Goldman Sachs….you gotta nip this pathway to capitalist crackstands in the bud!

  17. #17 |  gygyi | 

    IN the original days of the USA most people had their own business

    they are actively discouraging any notion of that, across the board

    ESPECIALLY to children

    go ahead and try to start a business in this country, I dare you

  18. #18 |  jb | 

    I rode RAGBRAI (Registers Annual Great Bike Ride Across Iowa) this year. Certainly one of the most common sights on the ride is the multitudes of “unofficial” venders selling food and beverage from their front lawns and from the back of trucks and cars all along the route. To select for special harassment a few youngsters selling lemonade is particularly idiotic. The heat index on the ride was in the 120~130’s. I wasn’t so much worried about the fluids I was drinking as much as I was worried about heat exhaustion. The lemonade sellers were providing a vital public service.

  19. #19 |  SOLUTION | 

    You vote for the mayor and the mayor commands the commissioner and indirectly hires all the police.

    Tell the mayor his job will be over if he retains officers concerned with lemonade stands or any trivial matter.

    In other words, if the “kiddy-cop” stays, then he goes. And mean it.

  20. #20 |  Goober | 

    @ #69 – the mayor is part of the same bureaucracy as everyone else. He’ll just have someone else to blame who is outside of his purview – and the worst part is that people will believe him and think of HIM as a victim, too.

    To Leon – you are committing the logical fallacy of “begging the question” in assuming in your premise that government is good, and will be good if it is just left to it’s own course. Show me one example in the history of mankind where a government unrestrained has resulted in it progressively getting better (the government, that is), and then possibly I may give your statements a bit more credence.

    THe only thing keeping government in bounds is the occasional “throwing of the spanner” as you so uneloquently and confusingly put it. Even with the spanners being thrown, we still get hundreds of pieces of new – and unnecessary – legislation every year, each carrying a myriad of unintended consequences and each of them, almost without fail, doing more harm than the good they were intended for can possibly offset, to the point to where the best legal minds of the time cannot tell you what is legal and what is illegal because our system has become so mucked up.

    Government is not the answer, leon. it never has been. Consider the sheer numbers of people that were slaughtered by government in just the 20th century alone – just include INNOCENT people, if you think the government should be able to kill criminals – and you’ll have a hard time convincing me that total, unrestricted anarchy would have resulted in more death. (Chinese communist govt – ~40 million. Soviets ~25 million. Nazis ~20 million. Cambodia ~6 million. Vietnam ~2million. US Wars ~2 Million. Misc slaughter and genocide ~10 million. Government induced famines ~??? millions and millions… Need I go on?)

  21. #21 |  Leon Wolfeson | 

    @70 – The assumption is yours. You are the one who is assuming that government is bad, automatically, in all cases. I’m the one’s who is willing to do the working and see who is best-positioned to provide a given service.

    Your “throwing the spanners” creates massive additional costs and empowers the people who want to make government gears bigger and bigger, so they don’t notice the grit – because the grit certainly gets news coverage, and less what else gets chewed up along the way.

    I’m strongly for limiting government to what it’s efficient and effective at providing – and in many sectors, that means providing funding to non-profits and charities to deliver services. In getting government out of things like marriage. But that message is obscured by your shriek of “gubberment bad”, and gets nowhere.

    And no, I oppose the death penalty in all cases. Life imprisonment, meaning life, in some cases – certainly.

    And you’re blaming “Government” for all conflicts. How cute. I’d suggest studying the history of the Kurdish people, for starters.

  22. #22 |  anonymous | 

    Highway @ #35: “HOA’s certainly aren’t libertarian.”

    Hihghway @ #56: “The tyranny is *not* supported.”

    “Joe Woodard’s wife and son were killed in the July 2007 crash, and he’s been building a new home on the same lot for the past year.

    “I felt I was helping the community move forward with their lives because every time you see an empty lot or a burned house, you continue to live through all the memories of what happened,” Woodard said.

    But the House of Management Enterprises, which represents the homeowners’ association, said the home, which is a few weeks from being completed, does not fit their standards and are demanding that the house be torn down.

    In a letter sent to Woodard from the attorney of the homeowners’ association, three specific items were mentioned. The shingles on the home and the elevation are not consistent with the community, and the home extends a few feet longer in the back than association standards allow, the letter stated.

    The libertarian response? “As heartless as it appears Mr. Woodward’s HOA is being, I have to side with it over Woodward, ceteris paribus.”

    A libertarian saying that libertarians don’t support privatized tyranny is like a cop saying that cops don’t support the bad cops.

  23. #23 |  anonymous | 

    PS — If government heavy-handedness is “Creating new little libertarians,” as the original post says, then heavy-handedness by private corporations is a sure way to turn people off to libertarianism.

    Telling people that they consented to be abused is only going to work for so long, before they start looking for their rights elsewhere.

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