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They’ll get it right next time. Competence is for sissies.
Wow, when this comes on ABC News tonight and in the New York Times tommorow there’s going to be a lot of outrage and some people will demand that this shit stop. Oh wait….never mind.
We need to start demanding some *personal* accountability in such matters.
Saying “the DEA did this” or “the DEA messed up” doesn’t really make anyone accountable.
On the other hand, saying, “Judge Derp signed the warrant authorizing this search” puts some heat on Judge Derp and creates impetus for him to hold others accountable. The people signing these warrants apparently need more reasons to ask “how good is this intelligence?” or “Have you done any field surveillance?”
We are never going to stop this by focusing on law enforcement, they financially benefit from this, they enjoy it and well the law allows them to do it… they have nothing to fear.
How do we stop this stuff, we must begin going after the politicians who write the laws, appoint the judges and have created the legal vehicle the cops use to do this stuff.
If the politicians began losing elections because of their pro war on drugs, crime, the middle class et al etc… then this shit would stop over night.
We cannot win trying to change the cops, that’s like trying to hold back an tsunami, you will fail.
But we can begin to remove politicians who support this bullshit.
Then you’ll see this stuff being shutdown.
This guy can hardly speak english…..I don’t personally mid that his house was raided.
Oh, and you can stop using the ‘isolated incident’ tag….it’s getting rather old.
Tom H this guy is a retired military translator, the fact you approve this disastrous raid because you don’t like the way he speaks is really telling about you.
I hope the next botched SWAT raid comes thru your door…
All I can say is the guy had no business renting from a landlord whose son had attracted DEA interest. There is no place in the world for someone like that and he clearly should have anticipated this raid, perhaps by putting a welcome sign out in from for the patriotic DEA stormtroopers, who by apparently not having done any investigation prior to the raid, made a simple honest mistake.
As an native born American, and the son of an immigrant, I almost feel a sense of personal embarrassment and shame when my country does something like this to an immigrant. A man like Mr. Tossa comes to this country because he’s escaping the godforsaken country he’s from and is convinced that these kinds of things don’t go on here.
The reporter got one part of the story completely wrong when she said, “But these (DEA) were not terrorists.”
These innocent people sure look terrorized to me.
If there’s a war on drugs then there can be war crimes right? And if there ca nbe war crimes I don’t see why there can’t someday be a war crimes trial and convictions. Just thinking aloud.
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At least the DEA had the courtesy to knock(pound)on the door. If it had been some local yokels the guy would likely have thousand$ in damage to his home. Not to mention multiple criminal charges because he didn’t welcome the invaders from the prone position. Some call it the new professionalism.
I dunno… quacks like a terrorist….
At first I was really bothered by this comment, but then I remembered what the Fourth Amendment says:
I’d be careful, Tom H; you misspelled “mind” in your comment, so the cops just might be kicking down your door any day now.
Tell me again why I shouldn’t address every interaction with the uniformed goonery as an attempt on my life requiring lethal defense?
#14 | jselvy |
You might want to ask Cory Maye that question.
@ #4 John P. – good point but it seems that most voters are either clueless or distracted by other issues (like getting by til next payday).
This is why we need to stop waging a stupid “war” on inanimate objects .We give away some very crucial rights in the name of this moronic war . I have medical issues that mean I could die under the kind of stress this situation would cause . And if I happen to have the balls to try & defend my home against masked armed invaders I would be shot to death on the spot . A death warrant for a unproven drug charge !?!? Recently a Tucson SWAT Team Shot Iraq War Vet 60 Times . They found not one single item related to illegal drugs . You know how he ended up shot so many times ? One of the masked sub machine gun toting police serving the warrant tripped over a piece of furniture & his weapon accidentally discharged then they all shot at him over seventy times .All of this in front of his wife & children . ABC News affiliate KGUN found that more than an hour had passed before the SWAT team let the paramedics work on Guerena. By then he was dead. There was an ambulance there in two minutes after his wife called 9/11 and they simply were never allowed in by the police till he was dead .The cops playing CYA !!!!!
I just watched COPS and, sorry, stuff like this doesn’t happen.
This is what happens when you put cameras and newsprint in the
hands of non-LEO’s or people not trained by LEO’s…
Everything gets distorted.
Re: #16 – As I’ve said elsewhere, Ron Jones’ actions brought the consequences that he deserved. That’s harsh, I know. But burglary is something I take seriously (he had no warrant, so he was simply a criminal burglar) and sorry, if you get caught in the act, your very life is in the hands of the victim. Maye made the right decision given the circumstances.
That said, it would be interesting to know if Jones’ death had an effect on the rest of the department down there. I would be interested to look at the statistics and see if they dropped the number of kicked in doors and actually got warrants for the doors they were kicking in. Of course, they don’t keep statistics on “wrong-door raids”, so it’s hard to tell.
If any insiders from down there read this blog, email me and let me know (I’m easy to find on the internet, this is my real name). I’ll keep it confidential.
//Re: #16 – As I’ve said elsewhere, Ron Jones’ actions brought the consequences that he deserved.//
Beyond any other remedies that may be prescribed for Fourth-Amendment violations, the most fundamental aspect of the Fourth Amendment is that searches which do not meet its requirements are *illegitimate*.
Persons who illegitimately force their way into occupied dwellings, for the purpose of accosting the occupants therein, are robbers. It doesn’t matter what uniform they wear or who employs them. Robbers who get killed in action need to be denigrated, not venerated, and their accomplices need to be prosecuted for felony murder.
Folks were lucky they didn’t have a dog.
“But these were not terrorists….”
Oh really? What makes them ‘not terrorists’? The badge? The employer? The ill-informed judge’s signature on an incompetently issued warrant?