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		<title>By: Robert</title>
		<link>http://www.theagitator.com/2011/07/19/more-good-news-2/comment-page-1/#comment-1352130</link>
		<dc:creator>Robert</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 22 Jul 2011 00:13:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Sean &quot;A “buffer” is a temporary storage location for data, so yes it is possible to record what happens several seconds before or after motion activates the recording, while saving disk storage space since the buffer is constantly being overwritten/updated. Or I’m just guessing that’s how it works.&quot;

That&#039;s exactly how it works.  The video is placed in a buffer which holds several seconds, and as new video is added the old is pushed out, unless the system detects motion, at which point that buffer is then written to the hard disk along with the motion video.

And Cliff, as I have been working in the security industry for 20 years and writing manuals for digital video recording systems, I&#039;d say that qualifies me as an expert.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Sean &#8220;A “buffer” is a temporary storage location for data, so yes it is possible to record what happens several seconds before or after motion activates the recording, while saving disk storage space since the buffer is constantly being overwritten/updated. Or I’m just guessing that’s how it works.&#8221;</p>
<p>That&#8217;s exactly how it works.  The video is placed in a buffer which holds several seconds, and as new video is added the old is pushed out, unless the system detects motion, at which point that buffer is then written to the hard disk along with the motion video.</p>
<p>And Cliff, as I have been working in the security industry for 20 years and writing manuals for digital video recording systems, I&#8217;d say that qualifies me as an expert.</p>
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		<title>By: Rojo</title>
		<link>http://www.theagitator.com/2011/07/19/more-good-news-2/comment-page-1/#comment-1346950</link>
		<dc:creator>Rojo</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 21 Jul 2011 08:20:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[But in the spirit of good news: This officer is reasonable when dealing with an open carry situation.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZFzH5Oe-YL4&amp;feature=player_embedded]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>But in the spirit of good news: This officer is reasonable when dealing with an open carry situation.</p>
<p><a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZFzH5Oe-YL4&#038;feature=player_embedded" rel="nofollow">http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZFzH5Oe-YL4&#038;feature=player_embedded</a></p>
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		<title>By: Rojo</title>
		<link>http://www.theagitator.com/2011/07/19/more-good-news-2/comment-page-1/#comment-1346903</link>
		<dc:creator>Rojo</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 21 Jul 2011 08:12:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[&quot;It is also possible that this particular camera had a zone defined around the door or some other area of interest that was not being triggered by the action with the police at all.&quot;

If you look at the video in question, posted upthread, that excuse (not saying you are making the excuse) melts away rapidly. There&#039;s LOTS of motion going on everywhere and the camera stays on for many, many minutes, with the sole exception being that six seconds when he gets shot.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;It is also possible that this particular camera had a zone defined around the door or some other area of interest that was not being triggered by the action with the police at all.&#8221;</p>
<p>If you look at the video in question, posted upthread, that excuse (not saying you are making the excuse) melts away rapidly. There&#8217;s LOTS of motion going on everywhere and the camera stays on for many, many minutes, with the sole exception being that six seconds when he gets shot.</p>
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		<title>By: Cyto</title>
		<link>http://www.theagitator.com/2011/07/19/more-good-news-2/comment-page-1/#comment-1341960</link>
		<dc:creator>Cyto</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 20 Jul 2011 21:51:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Cliff - to hang a little more meat on the description:  Digital video surveillance systems continuously record to hard drive.  The software then can analyze the video and look for motion within pre-selected sectors.  The segments of interest are then automatically excised and saved.   

They&#039;ll also often have automatic media rotation, retention policies (delete after 30 days, etc.).

So it wouldn&#039;t be at all surprising to have a video clip showing motion that begins before the motion.  

It is also possible that this particular camera had a zone defined around the door or some other area of interest that was not being triggered by the action with the police at all.   It &lt;i&gt;is&lt;/i&gt; a remarkable coincidence that the one particular moment in time which would show that the officer is somehow not guilty of manslaughter for shooting and killing a man armed with a bag with beer in it is somehow the moment that is missing.  Lucky for him the presumption of innocence thing is really amped up when the defendant works for the government.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Cliff &#8211; to hang a little more meat on the description:  Digital video surveillance systems continuously record to hard drive.  The software then can analyze the video and look for motion within pre-selected sectors.  The segments of interest are then automatically excised and saved.   </p>
<p>They&#8217;ll also often have automatic media rotation, retention policies (delete after 30 days, etc.).</p>
<p>So it wouldn&#8217;t be at all surprising to have a video clip showing motion that begins before the motion.  </p>
<p>It is also possible that this particular camera had a zone defined around the door or some other area of interest that was not being triggered by the action with the police at all.   It <i>is</i> a remarkable coincidence that the one particular moment in time which would show that the officer is somehow not guilty of manslaughter for shooting and killing a man armed with a bag with beer in it is somehow the moment that is missing.  Lucky for him the presumption of innocence thing is really amped up when the defendant works for the government.</p>
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		<title>By: Sean</title>
		<link>http://www.theagitator.com/2011/07/19/more-good-news-2/comment-page-1/#comment-1338450</link>
		<dc:creator>Sean</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 20 Jul 2011 13:53:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[&gt;&gt; So…cameras can predict the future and start recording a few seconds &gt;&gt;BEFORE motion starts them? Yeah, you&#039;re a &#039;security expert&#039; alright.

A &quot;buffer&quot; is a temporary storage location for data, so yes it is possible to record what happens several seconds before or after motion activates the recording, while saving disk storage space since the buffer is constantly being overwritten/updated. Or I&#039;m just guessing that&#039;s how it works.
Anyway, it&#039;s no surprise that there is no video of Turner swinging the beer cans -- amazing how a motion-activated camera stops recording with all that action going on! However, I read an article where his son says that there is another recording out there that shows everything -- if so we&#039;ll see how they can find a way to keep that from coming out.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&gt;&gt; So…cameras can predict the future and start recording a few seconds &gt;&gt;BEFORE motion starts them? Yeah, you&#8217;re a &#8216;security expert&#8217; alright.</p>
<p>A &#8220;buffer&#8221; is a temporary storage location for data, so yes it is possible to record what happens several seconds before or after motion activates the recording, while saving disk storage space since the buffer is constantly being overwritten/updated. Or I&#8217;m just guessing that&#8217;s how it works.<br />
Anyway, it&#8217;s no surprise that there is no video of Turner swinging the beer cans &#8212; amazing how a motion-activated camera stops recording with all that action going on! However, I read an article where his son says that there is another recording out there that shows everything &#8212; if so we&#8217;ll see how they can find a way to keep that from coming out.</p>
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		<title>By: cliff</title>
		<link>http://www.theagitator.com/2011/07/19/more-good-news-2/comment-page-1/#comment-1338354</link>
		<dc:creator>cliff</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 20 Jul 2011 13:18:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;However, the vast majority of these systems have a buffer which records a few seconds before motion starts, and also continue to record for several seconds or more after motion stops, &lt;&lt;&lt;&lt;

So...cameras can predict the future and start recording a few seconds BEFORE motion starts them?  Yeah, you&#039;re a &#039;security expert&#039; alright.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;However, the vast majority of these systems have a buffer which records a few seconds before motion starts, and also continue to record for several seconds or more after motion stops, &lt;&lt;&lt;&lt;</p>
<p>So&#8230;cameras can predict the future and start recording a few seconds BEFORE motion starts them?  Yeah, you&#039;re a &#039;security expert&#039; alright.</p>
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		<title>By: DocHoliday916</title>
		<link>http://www.theagitator.com/2011/07/19/more-good-news-2/comment-page-1/#comment-1337910</link>
		<dc:creator>DocHoliday916</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 20 Jul 2011 11:15:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Great post by Ian MacLeod on the Tuscon SWAT killing of Jose Guerena.

http://freenorthcarolina.blogspot.com/2011/07/most-excellent-post-concerning-guerena.html

I hope Radley put&#039;s MacLeod&#039;s article in The Agitator!]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Great post by Ian MacLeod on the Tuscon SWAT killing of Jose Guerena.</p>
<p><a href="http://freenorthcarolina.blogspot.com/2011/07/most-excellent-post-concerning-guerena.html" rel="nofollow">http://freenorthcarolina.blogspot.com/2011/07/most-excellent-post-concerning-guerena.html</a></p>
<p>I hope Radley put&#8217;s MacLeod&#8217;s article in The Agitator!</p>
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		<title>By: capitol l</title>
		<link>http://www.theagitator.com/2011/07/19/more-good-news-2/comment-page-1/#comment-1335593</link>
		<dc:creator>capitol l</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 20 Jul 2011 03:36:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[No rest for the wicked, Radley.

&lt;a href=&quot;http://www.wpxi.com/news/28594756/detail.html&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Quotas&lt;/a&gt; implemented for Pittsburgh police in Zone 2 which includes the historic and majority black Hill District.  

Also, &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.bakersfield.com/news/local/x1206332303/Sheriffs-review-board-Fatal-shooting-of-David-Turner-within-policy?utm_source=widget_16&amp;utm_medium=popular_entries_widget&amp;utm_campaign=synapse&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;video&lt;/a&gt; cuts out at crucial moment in police killing of former NFL&#039;er David Turner; internal investigation clears officer of wrongdoing.

I&#039;m sure your shocked at these recent developments. 

Just to let you know, the H&amp;R peeps, and our nuts, are glad you&#039;re out in the world fighting the good fight.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>No rest for the wicked, Radley.</p>
<p><a href="http://www.wpxi.com/news/28594756/detail.html" rel="nofollow">Quotas</a> implemented for Pittsburgh police in Zone 2 which includes the historic and majority black Hill District.  </p>
<p>Also, <a href="http://www.bakersfield.com/news/local/x1206332303/Sheriffs-review-board-Fatal-shooting-of-David-Turner-within-policy?utm_source=widget_16&amp;utm_medium=popular_entries_widget&amp;utm_campaign=synapse" rel="nofollow">video</a> cuts out at crucial moment in police killing of former NFL&#8217;er David Turner; internal investigation clears officer of wrongdoing.</p>
<p>I&#8217;m sure your shocked at these recent developments. </p>
<p>Just to let you know, the H&amp;R peeps, and our nuts, are glad you&#8217;re out in the world fighting the good fight.</p>
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		<title>By: David</title>
		<link>http://www.theagitator.com/2011/07/19/more-good-news-2/comment-page-1/#comment-1335569</link>
		<dc:creator>David</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 20 Jul 2011 03:29:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[#29: You mean it&#039;s totally cool to shoot anybody under any circumstances, provided they&#039;re not also cops.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>#29: You mean it&#8217;s totally cool to shoot anybody under any circumstances, provided they&#8217;re not also cops.</p>
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		<title>By: Chris Mallory</title>
		<link>http://www.theagitator.com/2011/07/19/more-good-news-2/comment-page-1/#comment-1335196</link>
		<dc:creator>Chris Mallory</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 20 Jul 2011 02:14:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[#28
You mean it is totally cool to shoot unarmed citizens after you have attacked them from behind.

A shame the grand jury doesn&#039;t grow some balls and issue an indictment against the cops.  They used to have the power to do that without the direction of the DA.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>#28<br />
You mean it is totally cool to shoot unarmed citizens after you have attacked them from behind.</p>
<p>A shame the grand jury doesn&#8217;t grow some balls and issue an indictment against the cops.  They used to have the power to do that without the direction of the DA.</p>
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		<title>By: BSK</title>
		<link>http://www.theagitator.com/2011/07/19/more-good-news-2/comment-page-1/#comment-1334873</link>
		<dc:creator>BSK</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 20 Jul 2011 00:50:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[&quot;A news release issued by the sheriff&#039;s department about 2:30 p.m. said the use of force in the Turner case by Deputy Wesley Kraft was within department policy.&quot;

See, what you guys are failing to realize is that department policy says it&#039;s totally cool to shoot unarmed folks.  Or, at least it NOW says that.  You can make anything fit a policy when you are the one making the policies.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;A news release issued by the sheriff&#8217;s department about 2:30 p.m. said the use of force in the Turner case by Deputy Wesley Kraft was within department policy.&#8221;</p>
<p>See, what you guys are failing to realize is that department policy says it&#8217;s totally cool to shoot unarmed folks.  Or, at least it NOW says that.  You can make anything fit a policy when you are the one making the policies.</p>
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		<title>By: BSK</title>
		<link>http://www.theagitator.com/2011/07/19/more-good-news-2/comment-page-1/#comment-1334821</link>
		<dc:creator>BSK</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 20 Jul 2011 00:38:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[TWO positive news stories in one day?  Radley, you&#039;ve gone soft on us...]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>TWO positive news stories in one day?  Radley, you&#8217;ve gone soft on us&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Robert</title>
		<link>http://www.theagitator.com/2011/07/19/more-good-news-2/comment-page-1/#comment-1334784</link>
		<dc:creator>Robert</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 20 Jul 2011 00:30:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[&quot;No one has asked “why did the camera stop recording”. I call bullshit on that. Since when does a camera “detect motion” to start recording, and stop recording when it “doesn’t detect motion”? I know technology makes it possible, but it isn’t a valid configuration for police work, so it’s a lie.&quot;

Being a security systems expert, I can say that it&#039;s quite common to use motion sensing in digital video recorders for security systems.  It helps reduce the amount of hard disk space needed to record, as it only records when something is moving.

However, the vast majority of these systems have a buffer which records a few seconds before motion starts, and also continue to record for several seconds or more after motion stops, to avoid situations just as the one described.  So I&#039;d say they are lying their asses off.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;No one has asked “why did the camera stop recording”. I call bullshit on that. Since when does a camera “detect motion” to start recording, and stop recording when it “doesn’t detect motion”? I know technology makes it possible, but it isn’t a valid configuration for police work, so it’s a lie.&#8221;</p>
<p>Being a security systems expert, I can say that it&#8217;s quite common to use motion sensing in digital video recorders for security systems.  It helps reduce the amount of hard disk space needed to record, as it only records when something is moving.</p>
<p>However, the vast majority of these systems have a buffer which records a few seconds before motion starts, and also continue to record for several seconds or more after motion stops, to avoid situations just as the one described.  So I&#8217;d say they are lying their asses off.</p>
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		<title>By: croaker</title>
		<link>http://www.theagitator.com/2011/07/19/more-good-news-2/comment-page-1/#comment-1334478</link>
		<dc:creator>croaker</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 19 Jul 2011 23:16:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[@23 But I&#039;m more than willing to be that she&#039;s now on the No-Fly List.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@23 But I&#8217;m more than willing to be that she&#8217;s now on the No-Fly List.</p>
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		<title>By: Andrew S.</title>
		<link>http://www.theagitator.com/2011/07/19/more-good-news-2/comment-page-1/#comment-1334321</link>
		<dc:creator>Andrew S.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 19 Jul 2011 22:48:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Even more good news: The Maricopa County DA (of all places!) will not be pressing felony charges against Yukari Miyamae (the woman who was arrested for felony sexual assault in an incident with a TSO officer in Phoenix). http://www.azcentral.com/community/phoenix/articles/2011/07/19/20110719phoenix-tsa-agent-groped-no-charges-Miyamae.html]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Even more good news: The Maricopa County DA (of all places!) will not be pressing felony charges against Yukari Miyamae (the woman who was arrested for felony sexual assault in an incident with a TSO officer in Phoenix). <a href="http://www.azcentral.com/community/phoenix/articles/2011/07/19/20110719phoenix-tsa-agent-groped-no-charges-Miyamae.html" rel="nofollow">http://www.azcentral.com/community/phoenix/articles/2011/07/19/20110719phoenix-tsa-agent-groped-no-charges-Miyamae.html</a></p>
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		<title>By: Cyto</title>
		<link>http://www.theagitator.com/2011/07/19/more-good-news-2/comment-page-1/#comment-1334152</link>
		<dc:creator>Cyto</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 19 Jul 2011 22:16:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[aaaaand, then I read the Turner article.  Bonus authoratai reinforcement, they arrested Turner&#039;s adult children for yelling at the police (who had just murdered their father).  Charges include making criminal threats and participating in a criminal street gang.  

That&#039;s class, Sheriff Younglblood.  True class....]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>aaaaand, then I read the Turner article.  Bonus authoratai reinforcement, they arrested Turner&#8217;s adult children for yelling at the police (who had just murdered their father).  Charges include making criminal threats and participating in a criminal street gang.  </p>
<p>That&#8217;s class, Sheriff Younglblood.  True class&#8230;.</p>
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		<title>By: Cyto</title>
		<link>http://www.theagitator.com/2011/07/19/more-good-news-2/comment-page-1/#comment-1334078</link>
		<dc:creator>Cyto</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 19 Jul 2011 22:04:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[WTF?  Is July 19 the Agitator version of April fools day?  Good news all around!]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>WTF?  Is July 19 the Agitator version of April fools day?  Good news all around!</p>
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		<title>By: Pete Eyre</title>
		<link>http://www.theagitator.com/2011/07/19/more-good-news-2/comment-page-1/#comment-1334038</link>
		<dc:creator>Pete Eyre</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 19 Jul 2011 21:55:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Thanks for sharing Radley! 

Ademo &amp; I will join Ian &amp; Mark on http://freetalklive.com tonight 7-10pm EST

Background: http://copblock.org/greenfield]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks for sharing Radley! </p>
<p>Ademo &amp; I will join Ian &amp; Mark on <a href="http://freetalklive.com" rel="nofollow">http://freetalklive.com</a> tonight 7-10pm EST</p>
<p>Background: <a href="http://copblock.org/greenfield" rel="nofollow">http://copblock.org/greenfield</a></p>
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		<title>By: Andrew S.</title>
		<link>http://www.theagitator.com/2011/07/19/more-good-news-2/comment-page-1/#comment-1333977</link>
		<dc:creator>Andrew S.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 19 Jul 2011 21:46:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[What does it say about me (or at least what this site has done to me) when, just glancing down the thread, I thought Aresen&#039;s story (backed up by Jeff&#039;s additional details) was true, and that I had just missed a link somewhere?]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>What does it say about me (or at least what this site has done to me) when, just glancing down the thread, I thought Aresen&#8217;s story (backed up by Jeff&#8217;s additional details) was true, and that I had just missed a link somewhere?</p>
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		<title>By: SamK</title>
		<link>http://www.theagitator.com/2011/07/19/more-good-news-2/comment-page-1/#comment-1333847</link>
		<dc:creator>SamK</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 19 Jul 2011 21:23:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Even if he did, and after getting attacked from behind I don&#039;t blame a man for reacting.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Even if he did, and after getting attacked from behind I don&#8217;t blame a man for reacting.</p>
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