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	<title>Comments on: Morning Links</title>
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	<description>It rankles me when somebody tries to tell somebody what to do.</description>
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		<title>By: DocHoliday916</title>
		<link>http://www.theagitator.com/2011/07/06/morning-links-500/comment-page-2/#comment-1262283</link>
		<dc:creator>DocHoliday916</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 07 Jul 2011 22:54:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Madison County, MS cops. Just add another &quot;one&quot; to the file. The hits just keep a comin&#039; Who&#039;s the Chief of Police down there? Maybe Reinhard Heydrich did survive that blast from the Polish freedom fighters in &#039;42.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Madison County, MS cops. Just add another &#8220;one&#8221; to the file. The hits just keep a comin&#8217; Who&#8217;s the Chief of Police down there? Maybe Reinhard Heydrich did survive that blast from the Polish freedom fighters in &#8217;42.</p>
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		<title>By: albatross</title>
		<link>http://www.theagitator.com/2011/07/06/morning-links-500/comment-page-2/#comment-1260913</link>
		<dc:creator>albatross</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 07 Jul 2011 16:25:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[The number of these incidents per year is extremely small.  They&#039;re the classic kind of events that catch media attention--very rare, and spectacularly horrible.  Your child is orders of magnitude more likely to die in a car wreck, suffocate in his bedding, die in a fall, drown in the bathtub, drown in a swimming pool, etc. than to die of heatstroke from being stuck in an overheated car.  

In particular, getting rid of carseats to avoid the risk of a toddler left in the car dying from being overheated is like keeping boxes of matches in his reach all through the house to protect your toddler from freezing to death in case the power goes out in wintertime.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The number of these incidents per year is extremely small.  They&#8217;re the classic kind of events that catch media attention&#8211;very rare, and spectacularly horrible.  Your child is orders of magnitude more likely to die in a car wreck, suffocate in his bedding, die in a fall, drown in the bathtub, drown in a swimming pool, etc. than to die of heatstroke from being stuck in an overheated car.  </p>
<p>In particular, getting rid of carseats to avoid the risk of a toddler left in the car dying from being overheated is like keeping boxes of matches in his reach all through the house to protect your toddler from freezing to death in case the power goes out in wintertime.</p>
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		<title>By: johnl</title>
		<link>http://www.theagitator.com/2011/07/06/morning-links-500/comment-page-2/#comment-1258654</link>
		<dc:creator>johnl</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 07 Jul 2011 02:24:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[You young people wont remember. But when I was 2, I wasn&#039;t in a car seat. If I had gotten forgotten in the covered wagon, I would have let myself out. This is a failure of the regulated safety equipment as much as a failure of the ditzy lady and the father who should have known she&#039;s ditzy.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You young people wont remember. But when I was 2, I wasn&#8217;t in a car seat. If I had gotten forgotten in the covered wagon, I would have let myself out. This is a failure of the regulated safety equipment as much as a failure of the ditzy lady and the father who should have known she&#8217;s ditzy.</p>
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		<title>By: Stephen</title>
		<link>http://www.theagitator.com/2011/07/06/morning-links-500/comment-page-2/#comment-1258574</link>
		<dc:creator>Stephen</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 07 Jul 2011 02:03:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[We could just bypass all this weight sensor stuff and make a car that doesn&#039;t let the temp go over 85 degrees inside. If it gets too hot, it starts up runs the a/c for a bit then shuts down.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>We could just bypass all this weight sensor stuff and make a car that doesn&#8217;t let the temp go over 85 degrees inside. If it gets too hot, it starts up runs the a/c for a bit then shuts down.</p>
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		<title>By: texx</title>
		<link>http://www.theagitator.com/2011/07/06/morning-links-500/comment-page-2/#comment-1258514</link>
		<dc:creator>texx</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 07 Jul 2011 01:49:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[the lady who left her kid in the car is my veterenarian.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>the lady who left her kid in the car is my veterenarian.</p>
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		<title>By: jcalton</title>
		<link>http://www.theagitator.com/2011/07/06/morning-links-500/comment-page-2/#comment-1257428</link>
		<dc:creator>jcalton</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 06 Jul 2011 21:24:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Boy, The Agitator really makes me want to move to Indiana these days.
http://www.theagitator.com/2011/05/13/indiana-court-you-have-no-right-to-keep-cops-out-of-your-house/]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Boy, The Agitator really makes me want to move to Indiana these days.<br />
<a href="http://www.theagitator.com/2011/05/13/indiana-court-you-have-no-right-to-keep-cops-out-of-your-house/" rel="nofollow">http://www.theagitator.com/2011/05/13/indiana-court-you-have-no-right-to-keep-cops-out-of-your-house/</a></p>
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		<title>By: Jeff</title>
		<link>http://www.theagitator.com/2011/07/06/morning-links-500/comment-page-2/#comment-1257379</link>
		<dc:creator>Jeff</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 06 Jul 2011 21:08:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[#46 Highway-

The technology is there, was developed fairly easily and is quite effective, but no one wants to mass produce it do to liability issues should it malfunction.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>#46 Highway-</p>
<p>The technology is there, was developed fairly easily and is quite effective, but no one wants to mass produce it do to liability issues should it malfunction.</p>
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		<title>By: Andrew S.</title>
		<link>http://www.theagitator.com/2011/07/06/morning-links-500/comment-page-2/#comment-1257331</link>
		<dc:creator>Andrew S.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 06 Jul 2011 20:54:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[My favorite Nancy Grace profile (NSFW... not too bad but will mention it just to be safe. The true URL might be frowned upon a bit)

http://tinyurl.com/mkd9pc]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>My favorite Nancy Grace profile (NSFW&#8230; not too bad but will mention it just to be safe. The true URL might be frowned upon a bit)</p>
<p><a href="http://tinyurl.com/mkd9pc" rel="nofollow">http://tinyurl.com/mkd9pc</a></p>
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		<title>By: Aresen</title>
		<link>http://www.theagitator.com/2011/07/06/morning-links-500/comment-page-2/#comment-1257058</link>
		<dc:creator>Aresen</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 06 Jul 2011 20:12:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Until 24 hours ago, I had never heard of Nancy Grace. 

One of the benefits of ignoring MSM, I guess.

[From what I have heard in the last 24 hours,  I can truly say that ignorance appears to have been bliss.]]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Until 24 hours ago, I had never heard of Nancy Grace. </p>
<p>One of the benefits of ignoring MSM, I guess.</p>
<p>[From what I have heard in the last 24 hours,  I can truly say that ignorance appears to have been bliss.]</p>
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		<title>By: Andrew S.</title>
		<link>http://www.theagitator.com/2011/07/06/morning-links-500/comment-page-1/#comment-1256801</link>
		<dc:creator>Andrew S.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 06 Jul 2011 19:09:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Is it wrong if I&#039;m willing to suspend my belief in the first amendment to argue for the summary execution of Nancy Grace?

As for forgetting the kid in the car... I dunno. My daughter can completely exhaust me at times, but I just couldn&#039;t imagine leaving her in the car seat. Not even when she was younger and the car seat was rear-facing.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Is it wrong if I&#8217;m willing to suspend my belief in the first amendment to argue for the summary execution of Nancy Grace?</p>
<p>As for forgetting the kid in the car&#8230; I dunno. My daughter can completely exhaust me at times, but I just couldn&#8217;t imagine leaving her in the car seat. Not even when she was younger and the car seat was rear-facing.</p>
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		<title>By: Mattocracy</title>
		<link>http://www.theagitator.com/2011/07/06/morning-links-500/comment-page-1/#comment-1256798</link>
		<dc:creator>Mattocracy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 06 Jul 2011 19:09:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Reading through the &quot;stampede&quot; link will just piss you off.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Reading through the &#8220;stampede&#8221; link will just piss you off.</p>
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		<title>By: Roho</title>
		<link>http://www.theagitator.com/2011/07/06/morning-links-500/comment-page-1/#comment-1256797</link>
		<dc:creator>Roho</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 06 Jul 2011 19:09:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Police Chief:  &quot;I&#039;m still looking into it, but thank goodness I had an extra crew assigned to duty that night. This was a large crowd that grew unruly and action had to be taken to get control of the scene there.&quot;

If only there were a way to determine *why* the crowd grew unruly.  Was there some sort of triggering event that caused this happy party to devolve into chaos and mayhem?  The world may never know.

Keep up the good work, boys!]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Police Chief:  &#8220;I&#8217;m still looking into it, but thank goodness I had an extra crew assigned to duty that night. This was a large crowd that grew unruly and action had to be taken to get control of the scene there.&#8221;</p>
<p>If only there were a way to determine *why* the crowd grew unruly.  Was there some sort of triggering event that caused this happy party to devolve into chaos and mayhem?  The world may never know.</p>
<p>Keep up the good work, boys!</p>
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		<title>By: Leah</title>
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		<dc:creator>Leah</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 06 Jul 2011 18:59:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[#43 Danny, I think that would be pretty much impossible given that most kids are in carseats that are permanently buckled in the car for 4-8 years. (And you&#039;re more likely to forget a kid before they can talk, so pretty much all under-2s are in car seats - you&#039;d need some sort of weight sensor for the back seats like they have for the front which would also be hard given that some seats weigh over 20lbs and some babies weigh under 10 lbs.) There are already significant problems with getting seats installed correctly because all the vehicles are different and all the seats fit them differently.  It&#039;s a good thought, I just don&#039;t think there&#039;s any way the current car/carseat situation could be changed to accommodate that without massive expense.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>#43 Danny, I think that would be pretty much impossible given that most kids are in carseats that are permanently buckled in the car for 4-8 years. (And you&#8217;re more likely to forget a kid before they can talk, so pretty much all under-2s are in car seats &#8211; you&#8217;d need some sort of weight sensor for the back seats like they have for the front which would also be hard given that some seats weigh over 20lbs and some babies weigh under 10 lbs.) There are already significant problems with getting seats installed correctly because all the vehicles are different and all the seats fit them differently.  It&#8217;s a good thought, I just don&#8217;t think there&#8217;s any way the current car/carseat situation could be changed to accommodate that without massive expense.</p>
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		<title>By: Highway</title>
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		<dc:creator>Highway</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 06 Jul 2011 18:50:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Danny, that&#039;s at best an ineffective workaround, and likely to not help in any of these situations.  New cars sold with LATCH systems for anchoring child seats might not have a seatbelt latched (one or the other is recommended), or older cars without LATCH systems might have the seatbelt permanently latched to hold the car seat in, whether the child is in there or not.  So the seatbelt wouldn&#039;t be any useful indication of whether the child has been removed from the car or not.

Really, I think the primary culprit is lack of attention, most likely due to lack of adequate rest.  So many people are operating on a sleep deficit, especially parents, and unfortunately it&#039;s usually due to their own choices.  Certainly sometimes a kid will keep you up late being sick, or there&#039;s something you must get done as a special project, but generally, the reason most people don&#039;t get adequate sleep is television and other entertainment choices (computer, movie, etc).  And when people are tired, they make mistakes, and the operate on &#039;auto-pilot&#039;.  

Everyone&#039;s done it.  Get to work in the morning, and you can&#039;t remember the drive there.  Or finish work and get home, and you can&#039;t remember the drive home.  Oh, I forgot to stop at the store and pick up whatever.  But you don&#039;t remember you forgot something until another factor reminds you.  If you&#039;re able to keep going through your routine, it could be a long time before you notice what you forgot.

It&#039;s possible there might be some remote sensing ability that gets deployed in the near future.  Perhaps a weight and motion sensor combined with remote sending (emergency cellphone or SMS) built into a car seat that can notify parents if the seat detects weight + no movement of the vehicle + warm temperatures or something.  But I wouldn&#039;t support any sort of law mandating it, because it would just cost a lot of people who can&#039;t really afford that sort of thing more money.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Danny, that&#8217;s at best an ineffective workaround, and likely to not help in any of these situations.  New cars sold with LATCH systems for anchoring child seats might not have a seatbelt latched (one or the other is recommended), or older cars without LATCH systems might have the seatbelt permanently latched to hold the car seat in, whether the child is in there or not.  So the seatbelt wouldn&#8217;t be any useful indication of whether the child has been removed from the car or not.</p>
<p>Really, I think the primary culprit is lack of attention, most likely due to lack of adequate rest.  So many people are operating on a sleep deficit, especially parents, and unfortunately it&#8217;s usually due to their own choices.  Certainly sometimes a kid will keep you up late being sick, or there&#8217;s something you must get done as a special project, but generally, the reason most people don&#8217;t get adequate sleep is television and other entertainment choices (computer, movie, etc).  And when people are tired, they make mistakes, and the operate on &#8216;auto-pilot&#8217;.  </p>
<p>Everyone&#8217;s done it.  Get to work in the morning, and you can&#8217;t remember the drive there.  Or finish work and get home, and you can&#8217;t remember the drive home.  Oh, I forgot to stop at the store and pick up whatever.  But you don&#8217;t remember you forgot something until another factor reminds you.  If you&#8217;re able to keep going through your routine, it could be a long time before you notice what you forgot.</p>
<p>It&#8217;s possible there might be some remote sensing ability that gets deployed in the near future.  Perhaps a weight and motion sensor combined with remote sending (emergency cellphone or SMS) built into a car seat that can notify parents if the seat detects weight + no movement of the vehicle + warm temperatures or something.  But I wouldn&#8217;t support any sort of law mandating it, because it would just cost a lot of people who can&#8217;t really afford that sort of thing more money.</p>
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		<title>By: Ted S.</title>
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		<dc:creator>Ted S.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 06 Jul 2011 18:45:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[#43

The problem with that is, I keep the back middle seatbelt buckled so that when there are enough people in the car to need it, it&#039;s obvious which belt goes into which buckle.]]></description>
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<p>The problem with that is, I keep the back middle seatbelt buckled so that when there are enough people in the car to need it, it&#8217;s obvious which belt goes into which buckle.</p>
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		<title>By: Maria</title>
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		<dc:creator>Maria</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 06 Jul 2011 18:13:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[&quot;It’s not just that there’s no ACCOUNTABILITY for cops, it that there’s no belief that there SHOULD BE accountability for cops.&quot;

Well said... This is why I&#039;m wary of any encounter with a cop. 

Too many people have bought into a good old days, Hollywood gilded mythology of the &quot;cop as hero&quot; and hold a mysterious belief is that these men (and women) deserve our obedience and respect simply for their chosen career path rather then their choices, actions, and contributions. 

I suppose the gradual erosion of these beliefs will be met with further violence and intimidation from shit cops while leaving the cops that understand the concepts of community policing at an even greater disadvantage.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;It’s not just that there’s no ACCOUNTABILITY for cops, it that there’s no belief that there SHOULD BE accountability for cops.&#8221;</p>
<p>Well said&#8230; This is why I&#8217;m wary of any encounter with a cop. </p>
<p>Too many people have bought into a good old days, Hollywood gilded mythology of the &#8220;cop as hero&#8221; and hold a mysterious belief is that these men (and women) deserve our obedience and respect simply for their chosen career path rather then their choices, actions, and contributions. </p>
<p>I suppose the gradual erosion of these beliefs will be met with further violence and intimidation from shit cops while leaving the cops that understand the concepts of community policing at an even greater disadvantage.</p>
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		<title>By: Danny</title>
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		<dc:creator>Danny</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 06 Jul 2011 18:11:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I wonder if these kid-in-the-car incidents could be reduced if there was some kind of mechanism that set off an alarm, or didn&#039;t let doors lock, or interior lights go off -- or maybe &quot;strobed&quot; the headlights -- while any seatbelt is engaged while the ignition is off.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I wonder if these kid-in-the-car incidents could be reduced if there was some kind of mechanism that set off an alarm, or didn&#8217;t let doors lock, or interior lights go off &#8212; or maybe &#8220;strobed&#8221; the headlights &#8212; while any seatbelt is engaged while the ignition is off.</p>
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		<title>By: demize!</title>
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		<dc:creator>demize!</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 06 Jul 2011 18:02:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[How can you reconcile being anti-statist with advocating the state have the power to execute? The thing is, the culture within policing and it&#039;s training aren&#039;t the only problem, so getting rid of them all and starting fresh, which I&#039;m good with, won&#039;t help. This is because those drawn to law enforcement are of a certain mentality. Authoritarian and lacking compassion and common sense is where we need to be making ineligible for jobs that entitle one to power over persons and property.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>How can you reconcile being anti-statist with advocating the state have the power to execute? The thing is, the culture within policing and it&#8217;s training aren&#8217;t the only problem, so getting rid of them all and starting fresh, which I&#8217;m good with, won&#8217;t help. This is because those drawn to law enforcement are of a certain mentality. Authoritarian and lacking compassion and common sense is where we need to be making ineligible for jobs that entitle one to power over persons and property.</p>
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		<title>By: Donald</title>
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		<dc:creator>Donald</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 06 Jul 2011 17:57:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[RE: The blow up doll case-Sick and tired of &quot;9/11&quot; and &quot;Columbine&quot; used as an excuse to lock up every time some bureaucrat gets paranoid. Based on the footage of a hooded figure smuggling something into the school, of course they should investigate. But since it wasn&#039;t an actual bomb and there was no evidence he wanted people to think it was call the kid a dumbass and move on.

Another thing I&#039;m sick of is local crimes getting whipped into huge national stories and then people I know who are otherwise perfectly reasonable people jump on the bandwagon. Sucks the Anthony kid is dead, but lots of people die. Quit acting like she was your favorite niece and flogging  yourself all over the internet so you can impress us by how wonderful you are that you&#039;re sad. Especially when 99.99999% of the crap you post you didn&#039;t write  but copied and pasted from someone that was evidently fired from Hallmark for being to sappy.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>RE: The blow up doll case-Sick and tired of &#8220;9/11&#8243; and &#8220;Columbine&#8221; used as an excuse to lock up every time some bureaucrat gets paranoid. Based on the footage of a hooded figure smuggling something into the school, of course they should investigate. But since it wasn&#8217;t an actual bomb and there was no evidence he wanted people to think it was call the kid a dumbass and move on.</p>
<p>Another thing I&#8217;m sick of is local crimes getting whipped into huge national stories and then people I know who are otherwise perfectly reasonable people jump on the bandwagon. Sucks the Anthony kid is dead, but lots of people die. Quit acting like she was your favorite niece and flogging  yourself all over the internet so you can impress us by how wonderful you are that you&#8217;re sad. Especially when 99.99999% of the crap you post you didn&#8217;t write  but copied and pasted from someone that was evidently fired from Hallmark for being to sappy.</p>
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		<title>By: albatross</title>
		<link>http://www.theagitator.com/2011/07/06/morning-links-500/comment-page-1/#comment-1256516</link>
		<dc:creator>albatross</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 06 Jul 2011 17:51:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Mike T:

We actually did expel a whole bunch of foreign nationals (not just Saudis) after 9/11.  IIRC, we rounded up about 1,000 foreigners who, for whatever reason, the feds were worried about and who had no legal right to stay here (that is, not legal residents or citizens), and shipped them back where they came from.  I gather this was probably a pretty effective thing to do, though it&#039;s very hard to prove.

But it&#039;s important to recognize something here:  Your view of WW2 is, I&#039;m sorry to say, probably very heavily influenced by propaganda during and after the war, rather than reality.  Among the unsavory stuff we did in that war:

(i)  Rounded up a bunch of Japanese and stuck them in concentration camps, not for security reasons, but because it was politically popular.  (We would have had to intern or deport Japanese nationals and suspected spies anyway, but that would have been a tiny fraction of the people we put in camps.)  

(ii) Had a president who lied us into a war.  (A war we probably needed to be in, true, but it&#039;s unambiguous that FDR was working to get us into that war even while he was campaigning on the claim that he&#039;d keep us out of war.)

(iii) Allied ourselves with Joe Stalin, one of humanity&#039;s all-time champion mass-murderers, responsible for even more deaths than Adolf Hitler.  

(iv)  Firebombed and later nuked cities full of civilians in order to break the enemy&#039;s morale and force them to surrender.  (Firebombing didn&#039;t work, but nuking Japan a couple times did.)  

And so on.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Mike T:</p>
<p>We actually did expel a whole bunch of foreign nationals (not just Saudis) after 9/11.  IIRC, we rounded up about 1,000 foreigners who, for whatever reason, the feds were worried about and who had no legal right to stay here (that is, not legal residents or citizens), and shipped them back where they came from.  I gather this was probably a pretty effective thing to do, though it&#8217;s very hard to prove.</p>
<p>But it&#8217;s important to recognize something here:  Your view of WW2 is, I&#8217;m sorry to say, probably very heavily influenced by propaganda during and after the war, rather than reality.  Among the unsavory stuff we did in that war:</p>
<p>(i)  Rounded up a bunch of Japanese and stuck them in concentration camps, not for security reasons, but because it was politically popular.  (We would have had to intern or deport Japanese nationals and suspected spies anyway, but that would have been a tiny fraction of the people we put in camps.)  </p>
<p>(ii) Had a president who lied us into a war.  (A war we probably needed to be in, true, but it&#8217;s unambiguous that FDR was working to get us into that war even while he was campaigning on the claim that he&#8217;d keep us out of war.)</p>
<p>(iii) Allied ourselves with Joe Stalin, one of humanity&#8217;s all-time champion mass-murderers, responsible for even more deaths than Adolf Hitler.  </p>
<p>(iv)  Firebombed and later nuked cities full of civilians in order to break the enemy&#8217;s morale and force them to surrender.  (Firebombing didn&#8217;t work, but nuking Japan a couple times did.)  </p>
<p>And so on.</p>
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