Drugs The Drug War Ruins Antoher Family

Wednesday, July 6th, 2011

Kids rat out dad over an ounce of pot.

Note that the only felony charge is child endangerment. And of course the only thing about an ounce of pot that puts your kids in danger is what the government will do to you if it finds out you have it.

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58 Responses to “Drugs The Drug War Ruins Antoher Family”

  1. #1 |  Matt | 

    You’re a traitor! You’re a thought criminal! You’re a Eurasian spy! I’ll shoot you! I’ll vaporize you! I’ll send you to the salt mines!

  2. #2 |  Chris Rhodes | 

    Do the kids get a sash? I think all members of the Junior Spies get a sash from The Party . . .

  3. #3 |  Nipplemancer | 

    When I was about 7, after a few days of indoctrination the DARE program I saw my mom smoking a joint after I was supposed to be in bed. I started screaming from the top of my lungs that she was a drug addict and ran to my best friend’s apartment (two floors up) begging his parents for help. Fortunately I’ve been deprogrammed fully since then, my worry though is that my daughter will go through indoctrinationDARE and pull the same stunt on me. I wish I could opt her out and have her do something constructive at school, instead I’ll probably pull her from school that day and go to an amusement park or something.

  4. #4 |  Nipplemancer | 

    there were strikethrough tags around indoctrination. WTF?

  5. #5 |  Robert | 

    From the wording of the article, it’s not clear that they knew it was their fathers weed. Just that they “found” it and called the cops.

    But yeah, pretty shitty.

  6. #6 |  M. Steve | 

    C’mon, everyone, haven’t you heard? Once the all-knowing government makes something illegal, that means that continuing the activity makes you a bad parent. We need to get those kids out of that house ASAP and into a Proper Christian Household, or they might turn out the homosexual.

  7. #7 |  Steve Verdon | 

    Nipplemance,

    Why not start talking to your daughter now about drugs and alcohol?

    You’re here parent, chances are you’ll have quite a bit more pull with her than a cop. Also show her some of the stories here about abuses by cops to make her wary and suspicious of them. Your daughter should know that cops are not her friends, they don’t have her best interest at heart, they will lie to her, and she should never talk to them if she thinks she is in trouble. Tell them she will only talk if you are there.

  8. #8 |  SJE | 

    Hey Radley, has anyone done a story on what happens to kids who rat out their parents? For example, Dad doing time is not going to be around while they are growing up, and Dad with a record and no job is not going to be exactly helping with living expenses. I’d like to see a story doing a before and after. Most of what I’d expect to find are just “after” that show Dad as a loser pot-head, instead of a normal guy whose life went downhill after the bust.

  9. #9 |  Dave Krueger | 

    So, 23.9 grams is almost an ounce, huh? Then I guess they would also be inclined to report that someone ticketed for going 85 mph on the highway was driving “almost 100 mph”.

  10. #10 |  Dave Krueger | 

    The guy should be glad his kids didn’t rat him out for badmouthing the President or he’d probably be hanging naked from the ceiling of some secret eastern block prison cell by now.

  11. #11 |  Cyto | 

    Doesn’t sound so bad to me… nobody got shot. Not even the dogs.

    Ok, I’ve been hanging around here way too much.

  12. #12 |  Aresen | 

    Dave Krueger | July 6th, 2011 at 3:54 pm

    So, 23.9 grams is almost an ounce, huh? Then I guess they would also be inclined to report that someone ticketed for going 85 mph on the highway was driving “almost 100 mph”.

    You are almost aiding and abetting drug dealers there.

    ;P

  13. #13 |  Dave Krueger | 

    The child endangerment charge may have come from what he threatened to do to the kids when he found out they reported him to the cops. That’s the way it would have been had they been my kids (back in the days before discipline was a three way negotiation between you, the kids, and CPS).

  14. #14 |  Nipplemancer | 

    for the record, she’s only 7 months old, so there isn’t much rational discussion going on yet.

  15. #15 |  Aresen | 

    @ Nipplemancer | July 6th, 2011 at 3:25 pm

    text

    (Remove spaces.)

    Should work.

  16. #16 |  Aresen | 

    Oh, for a preview!

    Put the word “strike” between the brackets. This version doesn’t work with just “s”.

  17. #17 |  Nipplemancer | 

    Thank you my fine canadian brethren.

  18. #18 |  Matt D | 

    The child endangerment charge seems a little overblown, but I think there is something to be said for keeping your stash where your tweens can’t find it.

  19. #19 |  Leah | 

    Holy shit.

    I was a bit freaked out last week when my 4 year old started telling a random person in the grocery store about the time she tasted my wine and it was “so gross,” and just told myself that the vast majority of people are decent and probably did the same things with their kids etc. The more I see these stories though, I wonder…

    I am generally not one to make the police state comparisons willy-nilly, but this story really does have a bit of an East German child-indoctrination vibe, no?

  20. #20 |  Dave Krueger | 

    Geez, Leah, I can’t believe you just blabbed about that on the internet.

  21. #21 |  Zeb | 

    Yikes. The HuffPo commentariat must have heard that I almost started to think better of them after reading the Cory Maye piece. There are a lot of pretty depressing reactions in the comments. It is pretty fucked that there are people who actually believe that having dad be a convicted felon is better than having dad smoke pot. TO charge someone with child endangerment, shouldn’t there be some specific danger that the children were subjected to? In any case, I hope these kids get beat up a lot at school.

  22. #22 |  Dante | 

    This story is a perfect illustration of why I hide my stash very, very carefully.

    {sounds of a frantic search, with crashes and splashes}

    Too carefully, apparently. Even I can’t find the dang thing.

  23. #23 |  Leah | 

    Touché, Dave!

  24. #24 |  Matt | 

    @19

    Don’t you remember the “mike’s hard lemonade at the baseball game” story? I think having a chat with your daughter really soon would be a good idea. Hell, the hard lemonade at the baseball game was accidental – the dad thought it was just regular lemonade.

  25. #25 |  Andrew S. | 

    With those children, he thought, that wretched woman must lead a life of
    terror. Another year, two years, and they would be watching her night
    and day for symptoms of unorthodoxy. Nearly all children nowadays were
    horrible. What was worst of all was that by means of such organizations as
    the Spies they were systematically turned into ungovernable little savages,
    and yet this produced in them no tendency whatever to rebel against the
    discipline of the Party. On the contrary, they adored the Party and
    everything connected with it. The songs, the processions, the banners, the
    hiking, the drilling with dummy rifles, the yelling of slogans, the worship
    of Big Brother–it was all a sort of glorious game to them. All their
    ferocity was turned outwards, against the enemies of the State, against
    foreigners, traitors, saboteurs, thought-criminals. It was almost normal
    for people over thirty to be frightened of their own children. And with
    good reason, for hardly a week passed in which ‘The Times’ did not carry
    a paragraph describing how some eavesdropping little sneak–’child hero’
    was the phrase generally used–had overheard some compromising remark
    and denounced its parents to the Thought Police.

  26. #26 |  Sean L. | 

    My daughter is starting middle school next year. I’ve already started instructing her not to speak to anyone in authority about *anything* unless I’m there. I’ve told her the conversation should go like this:

    “Did you see your friend with the (drug/gun/whatever)?”
    “I want to talk to my dad.”
    “Were you ever in possession of the (drug/gun/whatever)?”
    “I want to talk to my dad.”
    “You’re going to be expelled if you don’t tell us.”
    “I want to talk to my dad.”

  27. #27 |  Andrew S. | 

    Seriously, when is the right age to start talking to your kids about this kind of thing? My daughter’s 2, which seems entirely too young (outside of me telling her that the TSA agents were doing a very bad thing when they were feeling up my wife a couple of weeks ago after she refused the porn-o-scope). Looking far into the future, I’m already planning to pull her out of DARE classes. But obviously it has to start before that. Just not sure when…

  28. #28 |  Whim | 

    SJE hit the point exactly.

    How exactly is a FELONY conviction for “child endangerment” for simple pot possession going to help a person be a better parent?

    Does the parent become a better parent while sitting in a prison cell for, by definition of a Felony sentence, greater than one year?

    Once finally released, does the Felony conviction help the parent to find gainful employment to support his family?

    While there are always exceptions, people that I’ve known that received a Felony conviction for drugs, DUI or other non-violent crimes had very, very great difficulty finding a good job.

    Many, many employers have a fixed policy of not hiring anyone with a Felony conviction.

  29. #29 |  Whim | 

    Furthermore, it wasn’t even an ounce of pot. 23.9 grams is less than an ounce.

    An ounce equals 28 grams.

  30. #30 |  Dave Krueger | 

    I long for the good ol’ days when we only had to teach kids to beware of strangers and that cops are our friends. Now we have to tell them to stay the fuck away from cops, too.

  31. #31 |  J.S. | 

    I saw one of those “My kid graduated the DARE program” bumper stickers last week on a pickup at the supermarket. “I’m proud to be raising a brainwashed zombie child” is more like it.

  32. #32 |  Lucy | 

    When I was about 12 my mother gently explained to me that marijuana wasn’t a big deal and that it was kind of like wine for some people. She later told me she had what she called an irrational dislike of cops.

    It’s good to be the child of libertarians.

    What’s weird is that I was a homeschooled libertarian child from the semi-country and I STILL was freaked out at first. Law-abiding propaganda can still get you.

  33. #33 |  Random_Guy_on_the_Internet | 

    Sounds like a set-up to me. Probably a case of parental alienation where the mom put the kids up to it in order to bolster her case for divorce/custody.

    According to this version of the story:

    http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2009462/Children-sick-dads-drug-alcohol-use-turn-police-pot-stash.html?ito=feeds-newsxml

    The guy is separated from his wife and the kids showed up for a scheduled visitation. According to the arresting officer, when he arrived the kid went back in the house then came back out and handed him “a small bag of weed” and said “here’s the stuff”. So even by the police version of events they never found him in actual possession. Reasonable to doubt it was his, seems just as likely to me that the daughter brought it to his house just to screw with him.

  34. #34 |  JS | 

    talk to your kids about the nature of government and teach them not to speak to the police.

  35. #35 |  Carl Drega | 

    Here’s another: “12th person in Camden County sickened by laced heroin”

    http://www.philly.com/philly/news/20110706_12th_person_in_Camden_County_sickened_by_laced_heroin.html

  36. #36 |  Leah | 

    #27 Andrew S. – That’s the thing. If you’ve ever tried to explain to a talkative 4 year old what is and is not appropriate conversation… Yeah. This is why you also get situations like “MOM, WHAT IS WRONG WITH THAT MAN’S HAIR?” and “MOM! WHY DOES THAT LADY HAVE A MARK ON HER FACE?” all at top volume. It’s certainly something we talk about on a regular basis, but it takes a bit of time and maturation for kids to get the whole appropriateness concept.

  37. #37 |  nospam | 

    I don’t think you guys are getting it with the felony charge. It hasn’t been levied to get a felony conviction…it’s being used to get him to take the plea bargain and plead guilty to all of the misdemeanor charges, get him into the probation mill for a couple of years and to get his “rights” as a parent under the prevue of CPS.

    It’s ALL about control of his life until those kids are grown up.

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  39. #39 |  croaker | 

    Waiting for the followup when the DARE pig gives the child informer a hero’s medal at a school assembly for snitching out her father.

  40. #40 |  paranoiastrksdp | 

    The child endangerment charge is to force him to cop a plea. You all know this.

    Guess the kid will now get a hard lesson in the true cost of state worship. Sad.

  41. #41 |  johnl | 

    Tell your kids the truth. That they should never talk to the police unless the problem they are trying to solve by talking to the police is worth killing their dogs over.

  42. #42 |  Donald | 

    Congratulations kids, you got the grades to get into Harvard or Yale. Now go swing around a pole a few times to pay for it since daddy’s not around to pony up the tuition.

  43. #43 |  Marty | 

    #37 | nospam

    ‘It’s ALL about control of his life until those kids are grown up.’

    exactly. it starts in the schools- if the parents and kids play by their rules, they get an attaboy. if the kid wants to play sports, he/she has to play by their rules. wanna go to college? play by their rules. these kids start pissing in cups as early as jr high, they’re routinely searched, their lockers are searched, dogs are patrolling hallways, cars are searched, computers monitored, everything’s regimented… If you wanna be free, start living like it. Put your kid in a private/homeschool/unschool situation- it’s a solid first step. If you don’t, your kid will be jumping through hoops to get the grades, certificates, and recognition that these assholes repeatedly tell them is so important. They don’t give a damn about our kids as individuals or helping to educate them.

  44. #44 |  Stephen | 

    I have told my kid more than once that if he ever tells the cops something that hurts me, Daddy is going to go “poof” and be gone forever.

  45. #45 |  Greg C | 

    I have a question about commenting on Huffpost ( since Balko’s stories now appear there and he is linking there a lot).. if anyone knows. Does commenting on Huffpost somehow connect my facebook account without my knowledge? Because I posted a comment on this article- created a dedicated account there through my email address ( not in anyway connecting to facebook that I was aware of), and now I have all these “friends” there that are my facebook friends. I don’t know.. all this facebook integration and all the other stuff with comments everywhere is starting to annoy me. I like to be able to comment as I do here or with a login for a specific platform. I hate all these sites that automatically connect through stuff and/or have all these different options to comment ( ostensibly so one DOESN’T connect with the other crap). I’m beginning to root for a myspace-like demise.

  46. #46 |  John C. Randolph | 

    This story goes to show how important it is for kids to understand that governments are far more dangerous than drugs.

    -jcr

  47. #47 |  Jack Dempsey | 

    Wow, we have arrived! We now live in the age of the Junior Spies! George Orwell was right.

  48. #48 |  pegr | 

    You guys don’t see it. The cops are doing him a favor. He had more than an ounce, but they wrote it up at 23.9 grams to keep from having to charge him with a felony…. Which they did anyway.

    Inherently contradictory? Thems cops for ya.

    (No such thing as a good cop…)

  49. #49 |  ParatrooperJJ | 

    A kid in the USSR turned in his parents for crimes against the state. He was then killed by his neighbors.

  50. #50 |  SJE | 

    We need some commercials:

    “Kids, if you narc on your parents, they take away your TV”

  51. #51 |  Marty | 

    I remember reading about a kid who ratted his parents out in Russia in the early 20th century- they celebrated him on stamps and to other kids for decades. It turned out that the government made the kid up… DARE doesn’t even have to make its poster children up- they really exist!

  52. #52 |  Tommy | 

    D.A.R.E.

    I ratted out my parents and all I got was this lousy T-shirt

  53. #53 |  Steve Verdon | 

    Seriously, when is the right age to start talking to your kids about this kind of thing?

    As soon as you get them a cell phone. We got one for my son at the age of 7, and right then and there I sat him down and talked to him about sexting. I told him,

    1. The cops/school officials are not your friends.
    2. The cops/school officials are not going to try and help you.
    3. The cops/school officials will lie to you.
    4. The cops/school officials are not your friends.

    I also went through something like Sean L. Any question they ask should be met with, “I want to talk to my Dad (or Mom, and if they get her…I pity them).”

  54. #54 |  Rick H. | 

    Radley: Please fix the typo (“Antoher”) in the title of this post. I want to forward the link, but my inner spelling nazi wouldn’t let me do it!

  55. #55 |  OBTC | 

    #52 | Tommy said:

    “D.A.R.E.

    I ratted out my parents and all I got was this lousy T-shirt”

    THIS TRULY SHOULD BE ON A T-SHIRT!

  56. #56 |  nemo | 

    This isn’t anything new. Back in the early 1990′s there was a famous case in Montgomery County Maryland of a situation very much like this. The DARE-’educated’ snotty brat of a professional couple ratted on her parents in a fit of pique at parental discipline, and the parents lost just about everything. The father was some well-paid Fed civil servant. I can’t recall the name of the family at present, but it was a major to-do back then.

  57. #57 |  Jacob | 

    FRY HER! if she gets her way and the slaves get a taste for freedom they might take away our pensions for being fat lazy bloodsuckers AHHHHHHHHHH!!!!!

    Whatsup to the Ventura, CA cops who beat me, try to avoid another investigation for racism by the state attorneys boys! Also to the incompetent Ventura Co. judges who insure pensions but aren’t bothered by justice! And to the bloodsucking defense lawyers like David Goldshain from FCOP in Ventura who never counseled anything but take the corrupt DA’s deal and pay him his five thousand dollars to go handle setting up your punishment with his buddies, the DA and judges. It’s just one big fun game for all those parasites to make excuses to get fat off the backs of people who actually do productive work.

    REVOLUTION…these bloodsuckers will bring us down even if we avoid them, they will bloodsuck us to death!

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