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Wednesday, June 22nd, 2011
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  1. #1 |  rapscallion | 

    The cop in the videotaping arrest case said, “due to what you said to me before you started taping…”

    Ah, that’s brilliant. Soon it will be SOP to look into the camera and say, “Due to the threats you made before you started taping…” This will be one of the fundamentals, taught alongside screaming “stop resisting” while giving a beating.

  2. #2 |  derfel cadarn | 

    We should be held to a higher standard if we damage police but the pol;ice are held to NO standard so much for the phrase public servant. AS long as the police are allowed to operate with little or no control or consequences this problem will only get worse. One of the first signs of a declining civilization is when the law no longer applies to the government or its minions. America I`m afraid is in serious decline.

  3. #3 |  Serpentio | 

    Man shoots SWAT cop during a drug raid and DOESN’T get shot hundreds of times in return!

  4. #4 |  Dave | 

    As always, the comments on the cop website are frightening. They really have that little regard for we lowly proles; they prefer raids to end like the Jose Guerena murder apparently.

  5. #5 |  Juice | 

    Is it a glitch or a stealth public option?

  6. #6 |  Dave Krueger | 

    Rat nation.

    If someone had told me when I was a kid what the world would be like for me in middle age, I wouldn’t have believed it. Activities I took for granted back then would result in criminal charges in today’s world (and I’m not jut talking about playing doctor). It’s pretty rare when I go out on picture-taking expeditions that I am not challenged by someone who suspects that someone taking pictures must be up to no good. What used to be an enjoyable hobby is not very enjoyable anymore. And flying somewhere carrying a bunch of camera equipment and film has become an ordeal.

    The bottom line is that a free country can’t be protected from terrorism and still be free. The only thing the U.S. can do to reduce the attacks on the U.S. is to stop using other countries as a profit center and playground for the “defense” industry.

    Governments are not and never have been in the business of promoting freedom. Freedom is the enemy of government. The more you have of one, the less you will have of the other.

  7. #7 |  marco73 | 

    Agree with you Dave (#4).
    From reading the comments: even if you don’t find any drugs, the suspect was probably guilty anyway, so the other SWAT members should have emptied their guns into the suspect.
    So the famous after-the-fact release to the press that they found drugs so it was a drug house, can now go out the window. Per the cops, if the cops believe that you have drugs in the house, then the cops are justified to just fill everyone with lead.
    Don’t let the facts get in the way of an execution.

  8. #8 |  BSK | 

    I was hoping to make a comment on the PoliceOne article, but apparently one must work in law enforcement to post. And when I tried to make a fake profile, they asked for specific agency information to verify my status. Talk about an echo chamber.

    This was my “favorite”…

    “”There needs to be a clear message there’s a stiffer penalty,” he told reporters after the sentencing.”

    And why is that? Aren’t we told all the time that cops put their lives on the line voluntarily? Kind of hard to make that argument while also insisting that putting a cop’s life in danger is worse, and thus should be more stridently avoided, than putting a non-cop’s life in danger.

  9. #9 |  BSK | 

    Wait, maybe not! You can go through the first page of registration to get a user name and password and then just go back once it asks for agency info. You can still post (at least temporarily). I just posted under “RightsForAll”, but I’m attempting to actually hold myself as PO so they can’t just dismiss it. We’ll see. I’ll probably get flamed out the ass.

  10. #10 |  Dave Krueger | 

    Another sign that we’re “winning” the drug war.

    Don’t sweat it. After the coming federal financial collapse all this drug war violence will seem like small potatoes in comparison to the new reality.

  11. #11 |  BillC | 

    Glitch? That sounds like a feature to me.

  12. #12 |  Chuchundra | 

    That’s not a glitch in Obamacare. It’s a way to get early retirees medical coverage during the time after their Social Security benefits start and before Medicare kicks in.

    A lot of people in their early 60′s go without any medical care because they can’t afford it. Then they turn 65, start Medicare and incur huge costs for conditions that got much much worse over their non-insured period.

  13. #13 |  StressNStrain | 

    From the SWAT article:

    “But state District Judge Kenneth Martinez…said it should have been obvious to Westfall that there was some sort of major police operation going on outside.”

    Exactly like Roho’s comment yesterday regarding law enforcement agencies’ utter hypocrisy:

    “We have to go in with the element of surprise – otherwise evidence may be destroyed.”
    “The homeowner shouldn’t have been surprised – it was obvious to even the most simple child that we were the police, and it was a legitimate raid.”

  14. #14 |  Cyto | 

    Remind me never to click on the “Police One” links. Holy crap, the comments make my soul ache.

  15. #15 |  Cyto | 

    Glitch in Obamacare would allow “several million middle-class
    people get nearly-free insurance.”

    That’s a feature, not a bug. Just 3 million closer to the stated goal of single payer healthcare.

  16. #16 |  Jay | 

    The comments on PoliceOne, like has been said, are scary. The man thought his home was being broken into and he defended his home. If one of he cops tripped and their gun went off “accidently,” the cop would have gotten so much as a slap on his nose. Frightening and pathetic how there is such a BS double standard.

  17. #17 |  VikingMoose | 

    “let’s pass the bill and then see what’s in it”

    SOP for big legislation, it seems. Goes back quite a bit of time!

    excellent work, as usual, Radley!

  18. #18 |  Robert | 

    RE: “Headline of the day”

    They don’t call ‘em “buggies” for nothing you know….

  19. #19 |  Marty | 

    #9 | BSK-

    that was a well-reasoned post you put up. it’s doomed.

  20. #20 |  Pablo | 

    Re: the article about the wounded SWAT cop–the idea of enhanced penalties for assaulting/harming/killing any one group of people should be revolting to anyone who believes in equality and the rule of law. No person’s safety or life is worth more than another person’s.

    I know I shouldn’t read discussions on police oriented web sites because most of the comments there are sickening.

    The guy got three years for shooting a thug who was invading his home. If the roles were reversed and the homeowner was negligently shot, the cop who shot him would get a medal.

  21. #21 |  Yizmo Gizmo | 

    “Once again, the feds knock legitimate websites offline in the course of a criminal investigation.”

    I’m waiting for the NY Times and Economist and Harpers to
    be next on the censorship list. I envision a future when there will be just one gov’t-sanctioned news site, with headlines like “Sill Winning in Afghanistan,” “WMDs Found near Baghdad,” “Drug War on the Edge of Victory” and of course “All Bad Guys Rounded up in Pre-dawn Raid.”

  22. #22 |  Sindawe | 

    Only one comment on the PoliceOne has any sense of rationality and realization about what is occuring in this lande, that from RightsForAll

    “””There needs to be a clear message there’s a stiffer penalty,” he told reporters after the sentencing.”

    Why is that? We voluntarily put our lives on the line. It is part of the call of duty. If we insist that charges against those who harm us be harsher than those who harm non-officers, the logical conclusion is that it is worse and less excusable to harm an officer. Hard to rectify those two positions. Encountering violence is part of the job description. Especially when we initiate the violence. It is hypocritical of us and undermines our support with the public when we insist that we are above the public. ”

    I hope this poster is actual an police officer and that there were MANY more like him/her.

    But if wishes were horses…

  23. #23 |  BSK | 

    Thanks, Marty. We’ll see how it goes! I’ll report back as necessary.

    [wades into lion's den wearing assless meat chaps]

  24. #24 |  BSK | 

    Sindawe-

    That’s me… posing as an LEO. Seeing what kind of shit I can get into it. Sorry if I popped your bubble.

  25. #25 |  Marty | 

    just don’t make eye contact- remember they’re as afraid of you as you are of them… no sudden movements…

    good luck, BSK!

  26. #26 |  Yizmo Gizmo | 

    By the way, it’s coming out that Emily Good in Rochester did make blatantly
    anti-police comments before she began videotaping, as the officer states. The trooper dashboard captures her on video (which has been “inadvertently” destroyed due to malfunction) in a Black Panther outfit shouting “Blue by day,white by night!” while toting a Soviet Flag, then she goes suddenly goes all nice for the camera. Classic drama queen.

  27. #27 |  BSK | 

    26-

    Even so, none of that rises to the point of being criminal or even threatening.

  28. #28 |  MountainTiger | 

    “Westfall’s hearing was impaired by one of the devices employed by the SWAT team.”
    Remember, flashbangs are an essential part of SWAT raids because they disorient the targets. Said targets, however, should obviously understand that there is a major police operation going on even if it is dark, they were asleep, and they have been disoriented by said flashbang.

  29. #29 |  Yizmo Gizmo | 

    No, sorry, I was kidding, appalled by the fact that cops were now engineering bogus off-camera explanations for Constitutional violations.

  30. #30 |  Jeff | 

    @13, when I read that quote in the article, I thought an experiment is needed. Have SWAT conduct raids on several judges, and afterward ask them when they knew it was the police.

  31. #31 |  BSK | 

    Gotcha. I should have put that together. Sorry!

  32. #32 |  celticdragonchick | 

    As always, the comments on the cop website are frightening. They really have that little regard for we lowly proles; they prefer raids to end like the Jose Guerena murder apparently.

    I noticed that. The consensus seems to be that everybody they come into contact with is scum and that finding no proof of any drugs is proof that they moved the drugs and still need to be arrested.

    Christ. They wonder why we call them things like jack booted thugs.

  33. #33 |  Pat | 

    I’m on your side about taping police but this particular woman is shady. She probably did say something before she started taping, she has a history here in Rochester (arrested before at some protest here)

  34. #34 |  Roho | 

    Well, long as my blood pressure’s already up (sure hope they don’t prescribe me anything for that, can’t be having prescription meds in the house) – let’s play with a new feature in Google Translate!

    Comment: “Otherwise we wouldn’t be there. So even if its dry, remember, someone has still been naughty!! ”
    Translated: “The act of being raided is in and of itself proof of guilt. If you have nothing to hide, what are you being raided for?”

    Comment: “The aim of a search warrant is not just to find evidence, but to also apprehend the person for which you have already made a case against.”
    Translated: “Search warrant, arrest warrant, what’s the difference? You’re getting a knee on the back of your neck, your dogs shot, and a free ride downtown either way.”

    Comment: “I cant stand when people on this board sound like ignorant civilians”
    Translated: “Who needs doctors, bricklayers, and garbage men? Anyone who’s not a cop does not contribute to civilization.”

    Comment: “I say get a rope. Hang the sucker. The other SWAT officer should have done the right thing and emptied their guns.”
    Translated: “I say get a rope. Hang the sucker. The other SWAT officer should have done the right thing and emptied their guns.”

  35. #35 |  Highway | 

    Pat, that’s no reason to just dismiss it out of hand. That’s just playing the same game the cops always play. “We had to go in as a SWAT team because he had a registered firearm.” “We have to approach every traffic stop as a potentially deadly encounter because someone got killed 10 years ago.”

    The burden of proof *has* to be on the police. We can’t just let them say “Well, it’s what she said before the camera was on that’s the problem.” Because what’s to stop them from saying it all the time, whether anything was said or not. Both the cops and the lady knew that she had a ‘history’, I’ll bet, and they have no problem using it against her. You want to do that, bring the proof. And no, the police officer’s word is no longer acceptable as proof.

  36. #36 |  CyniCAl | 

    My nuts hurt.

  37. #37 |  Brandon | 

    “She probably did say something before she started taping, she has a history here in Rochester (arrested before at some protest here)”

    So the fuck what? If she made a threat, or said anything that rose to the level of a crime, the officer probably would’ve reported that in detail. Other than that, there is no justification for arresting her or for stopping her from filming.

  38. #38 |  Randy | 

    Read somewhere once that LEO’s have a saying along the lines of “You can beat the rap, but you can’t beat the ride”. Basically, this means that many LEO’s go to the trouble of arresting people knowing that the charges are likely bogus and/or will likely be dropped, yet they do it anyway in order to inconvenience someone and throw their weight around for “contempt of cop”. It’s disgusting and an abuse of power but it happens countless times a day all over the nation.

    That’s what will happen in the videotaping arrest. The DA will drop the charges, the PD will claim vindication as the DA will not do anything to the officer or the PD in general.

    I’m sure future incidents of this type, the LEO will refer to alleged off-camera remarks in their reports in order to justify their actions. Just like it’s SOP for a LEO to use the phrase “in fear of my life” anytime they fire a gun while on duty. Instant justification!

  39. #39 |  Difster | 

    The comments on Police1 make me want to go shoot a cop.

  40. #40 |  BSK | 

    Bah, they caught me. Removed my post and are telling me I need to “authenticate” myself as a police offer. And the removal of my post is being celebrated. The echo chamber remains…

  41. #41 |  Yizmo Gizmo | 

    “Bah, they caught me. Removed my post and are telling me I need to “authenticate” myself as a police offer.”

    Authenticate yourself?
    Perfect opportunity to pull an Anthony Weiner.

  42. #42 |  hamburglar007 | 

    At least he got him in the balls. Hopefully he doesn’t have any kids so he can earn a darwin award.

  43. #43 |  Donald | 

    “You ate that jewish baby in front of me off camera, but I was gonna let that go with a warning but I’m terrified of consumer electronics so you’re going to jail!!!”

  44. #44 |  Brandon | 

    “Thanks P1 for removing RightsForAll’s post.”

    “RightsForAll,
    Please stay off this site and never post here again. Yes, we chose this profession, but we still put ourselves in harms way for the citizens, our family and fellow officers. We are identified as Law Enforcement by uniform, patrol cars, verbal identification (knocking and announcing at doors that we are Police and serving a search warrant), so if they are willing to harm, shoot and kill Law Enforcement then a regular citizen means even less to them. And we do not initiate violence. We respond to their actions of violence. ”

    No self awareness, no reflection, just a fucking echo chamber of mutual fellatio and self-aggrandizement.

  45. #45 |  CyniCAl | 

    A good non-violent way of dealing with cops is to shun them. Don’t engage in commerce with them, don’t befriend them, never assist them, DON’T SPEAK TO THEM!

  46. #46 |  ken | 

    “due to what you said to me before you started taping…”

    Hmmm, it might be interesting to have one or more people start taping a situation covertly with non obvious audio/video devices, then have another step up with a big obvious camera after several minutes.
    Then, when the cops pull the ‘stuff that happened before you started taping’ you could say how far before we started taping with ‘this’ camera, lets look at the tape from this one…
    For extra fun, have the covert taping staggered so that when they say, well, you planned it and said things before starting with camera #2 to make us look bay, then just say well lets look at camera #3 that started taping before both #1 and #2.
    Rinse and repeat ;)

  47. #47 |  hamburglar007 | 

    That police forum is like one gigantic fucking circle jerk.

  48. #48 |  ken | 

    I love the way people can say and believe things that completely contradict each other.
    I love this gem:
    “And we do not initiate violence. We respond to their actions of violence. ”
    I guess kicking in doors in the middle of the night isn’t violent, or doing it for the right reasons applies a mystic transubstantiation making it OK.
    And of course the ever popular:
    ‘we have to have the element of surprise and confusion so they won’t be able to know what’s going on and react’ VS ‘they clearly had to know that the cursing men in black ski masks that just kicked in their door were police’ Hey, they kept saying ‘Police, Police, Police’ right after tossing in a flash bang grenade designed to deafen and disorient.
    Shit…………………………………………

  49. #49 |  B'ham_Justin | 

    I came here to post a policeone comment, but Brandon at #44 beat me to it. I do just want to highlight one line tho, “…so if they are willing to harm, shoot and kill Law Enforcement then a regular citizen means even less to them.” I have heard of the Us. vs. Them mentality, but damn that is just too much for me to handle.

  50. #50 |  Helmut O' Hooligan | 

    From Police One Commenter BPDNARC:
    “Jager, you couldn’t be more correct. I cant stand when people on this board sound like ignorant civilians”

    That was one of my favorites. Fuck that turd. I, like many of you, am totally sickened by the mentality of these alleged peace officers on Police One. Do they ever consider what a mere “civilian” might think if they looked at these comments. I suppose they wouldn’t care, because they are the POlice and we aren’t. Let these douchebags have their sealed internet echo chamber. On the streets, they are still outnumbered.

    As an agnostic, I have often said that agnostics/atheists don’t need to do any recruiting because organized churches do the job for them. I think this is becoming more and more true of police and other government entities as it relates to anarchism. Anarchists don’t need to do much recruiting (though they try), because agents of the state, like our fearless protectors on Police One, do the job for them.

    I would not declare myself to be an anarchist at this point, as I still have many unanswered questions. Still, the extreme arrogance displayed by government agents everywhere makes the voluntary society sound much more logical. Perhaps I am becoming, in the words of Albert Jay Nock, a “philisophical anarchist.” And to think I am still actually on one police recruit eligibility list. Life is funny.

  51. #51 |  omar | 

    I know a fella’ who did a lot of drugs in high school. Now he’s a narcotics cop. I see all his military-style narc bullshit all over Faceboook, and it takes so much will power not to out him as a former(?) pot smoker and ecstasy user. Well, will power is half of it; the other half is fear.

  52. #52 |  Buddy Hinton | 

    1. I am pretty sure that I was the last civilian allowed to comment on PoliceOne news stories section. That was one crazy weekend! Wish I had those threads, pre-deletion. They kicked me off and closed it up. Civilians may still comment on the Policeone “public forums,” although these are not very popular. You can start your own thread there, but it will probably be closed.

    2. About the Rochester story: no one seems to have commented, here or elsewhere, that it appears the police were attempting to get consent to serch the handcuffed man’s pockets, and were not really getting consent, but also were not getting an unequivocal rejection (sounded like the man was talking non-responsive non-sense in response to the popo’s requests to search. iow, this attempted search was especially important to audio/video record, and it was especially important not to give custody of the recording. If they had found drugs, then they would have surely said there was consent, but the videography prevented them from doing this and they apparently let the arrestee go, their plans foiled.

  53. #53 |  Boyd Durkin | 

    Real important to read the policeone.com comments to understand the mentality of cops. Especially next time someone tries to defend “all the good cops” out there. If/when people start to understand just how demented these fucks are, things might change. I’m not sure what they’ll change to, but whatever.

    As #45 stated, shun cops. “Until the Blue Wall of Silence comes down…fuck that clown.”

  54. #54 |  croaker | 

    Re: Mexican shooting. Any guns recovered from Project Gunwalker found on site?

    Re: Police1 site. Eventually the archives of that site will be used against the police when they want more power/money. Especially if you can tie specific usernames to badge numbers or at least departments. Actually, that would be a good idea whenever the police budget is up for consideration: Give everyone on the board copies of Police1.

    @38 It will stop when someone has the balls to charge the pigs who do this with kidnapping and false imprisonment. Then place the department under tight court supervision for twenty years. The kind where the chief can’t fart without a judge’s approval in triplicate.

  55. #55 |  zendingo | 

    [wades into lion's den wearing assless meat chaps]

    ROFLMAO

  56. #56 |  BSK | 

    Brandon-

    Thanks for posting that! I saw that my post was taken down but didn’t see that response. Ha!

    Zendingo-

    Thanks! Felt pretty good about that one…

  57. #57 |  Big A | 

    BSK- great post on P1. What a bunch of assholes.

  58. #58 |  CharlesWT | 

    Actually the PoliceOne web site is pretty rational and reasonable when compared to some of the other LEO web sites. Almost all of the commenters there come down on the side of leaving the public alone if the public wants to record the police doing their jobs in public.

  59. #59 |  c andrew | 

    #46 | ken | June 22nd, 2011 at 1:40 pm
    “due to what you said to me before you started taping…”

    Hmmm, it might be interesting to have one or more people start taping a situation covertly with non obvious audio/video devices, then have another step up with a big obvious camera after several minutes.
    Then, when the cops pull the ‘stuff that happened before you started taping’ you could say how far before we started taping with ‘this’ camera, lets look at the tape from this one…

    I saw a tape like that once. It was done by the criminology professor from Florida who used to be a Sargent with the LAPD.

    He sends a guy (with hidden camera) into the Hollywood sheriffs’ office and asks for a complaint form. The deputy behind the counter won’t give him one until he tells him what it is for. Hidden camera guy points out that state law forbids him to ask that. Deputy says, “You’re gonna tell me or you’re gonna go to the hospital, understand me?” HCG reiterates state law, cop reaches over, grabs his head and smashes his face into the counter.

    Unhidden camera crew comes in and butter wouldn’t melt in this a-holes mouth. Guess what his punishment was for aggravated assault under color of law… 3 days of sensitivity training. Which he was paid for.

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