Afternoon Links

Thursday, June 2nd, 2011
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  1. #1 |  Irving Washington | 

    Nice Greenwald piece, but is he right to add Obama criticism to the Rand Paul take down? I’m not suggesting that his Obama criticisms aren’t fully valid, but are they called for here?

  2. #2 |  Robert | 

    Clown link is the same as the one for Obama above it. Which is not exactly incorrect mind you….

  3. #3 |  Mario | 

    Radley, at the time of this writing, you’ve mistakenly copied the link to the Washington Examiner piece on the imperial presidency to the link about the clowns.

    I want to read about the clowns. I hope not just any clown can get a clown license!

  4. #4 |  Z | 

    America, home of the brave, the land of the free, where the less you know the better off you’ll be.

  5. #5 |  Boyd Durkin | 

    I remember losing a lot of good men over in Korea when an unlicensed clown blew up a munitions supply with a faulty balloon dog. Never Forget!

  6. #6 |  Cyto | 

    On Greenwald’s article –

    The bad: “Think Progress” as a third party expert source worthy of citation in a Salon article.

    The good:

    But what Think Progress doesn’t mention is that the Obama administration is not only advocating views that violently breach the same principle, but has been attempting to act on those violations for more than a year now as they try to kill the American-born Terrorist suspect Anwar al-Awlaki (along with at least three other unknown U.S. citizens targeted for assassination).

  7. #7 |  Aresen | 

    In a way, every clown is “licensed” already, since the pattern of face paint is proprietary to each clown.

  8. #8 |  MacGregory | 

    From the SF felony cases link:
    “They’re not going to steal a laptop computer that’s eight years old that belongs to some speeder in the Tenderloin,” said [police union president] Delagnes.

    Yeah, that’s right! You tell ‘em. Your boys only steal cash, jewelry and the newer, state-of-the-art electronics. Can’t expect a cop’s child to make-do with a ratty 8 year old laptop, now can we?

  9. #9 |  FridayNext | 

    Yes, Areson.

    Also, as I recall from my flirtations with being a professional clown in college there was also Clowns of America which, depending on the region, could be a fairly strong guild imposing pay scales and work rules much like Actors Equity. Don’t know if that is still true.

  10. #10 |  Mo | 

    “In a way, every clown is “licensed” already, since the pattern of face paint is proprietary to each clown.”

    Seriously? I would love to see the C&D regarding that.

    To whom it may concern,

    We are the proprietors of all copyright in a literary/artistic/musical work entitled sad face with a honking nose and black star on left eye (The “Work”). We have reserved all rights in the Work, which was first expressed in material form on January 17, 2007.

    It has come to our attention that your work entitled unhappy face with a black star on sinister eye and horn nose is identical/substantially similar to our copyrighted Work. Permission was neither asked nor granted to reproduce our Work and your Work therefore constitutes infringement of our rights. In terms of the Copyright Statutes, we are entitled to an injunction against your continued infringement, as well as to recover damages from you for the loss we have suffered as a result of your infringing conduct.

    In the circumstances, we demand that you immediately:

    1. wash off all infringing makeup and notify us in writing that you have done so;

    2. credit all infringing content to ourselves in the following manner: “Brought to you by Mr. Pickles”;

    3. pay a licensing fee in the amount of $50/birthday party, bar mitzvah or mall appearance, $2/balloon animal and $1/lapel flower squirt;

    4. deliver-up for destruction all unused or undistributed balloon animals;

    5. undertake in writing to desist from using any of our copyrighted Work in future without prior written authority from us.

    We await to hear from you by no later than close of business on July 1, 2011.

    This is written without prejudice to our rights, all of which are hereby expressly reserved.

    Yours faithfully,

    Mr. Pickles, DCS (Doctor of Clown Sciences)

  11. #11 |  Cyto | 

    Clown makeup as trade dress?

    At least one group is trying to make a buck off that. The National Clown and Character Registry will protect you for only $20.

  12. #12 |  SJE | 

    The Maryland MTA arresting photographers already provoked a huge backlash, and the head of the MTA said photography is allowed, that officers will undergo training, and there is some speculation about discipline for the officers involved (that last one, I doubt).

    The people are waking up!

  13. #13 |  Les | 

    Irving Washington, I think it’s definitely called for. Greenwald is basically saying that, yes, it’s bad that Paul wants to deport people for speech, but groups like Think Progress don’t seem to care that Obama wants to kill people for speech.

  14. #14 |  Abhishek | 

    Rand Paul has in the past strongly defended freedom of expression, and specifically stated that even abhorent views are worthy of protection. So for him to believe that people who just go to speeches should be imprisoned is incredibly strange. I guess he misspoke, though what he wanted to say, I have no idea. Hopefully we will hear a clarification soon.

  15. #15 |  Chuchundra | 

    If Greenwald got a flat tire, he’d figure out some way that it was really Obama’s fault.

    As for Rand Paul, I bet he’s been thinking about the White House lately and trying to figure out he can adjust his profile to make that happen.

  16. #16 |  Highway | 

    SJE, the sad part is that they’ve been trying to train those MTA cops for 5 years. They haven’t learned it yet. Or maybe they have learned it, and they’d rather power trip some guy and puff themselves up with importance than do the right thing.

  17. #17 |  Z | 

    #14 I think he said exactly what he wanted to say.

  18. #18 |  Dave Krueger | 

    I’m all for licensing clowns. It would be a great way to screen out pedophiles and serial killers. For example, the application form could include the following two crucial questions:

    1. Are you a serial killer?……YES___ NO___
    2. Are you a pedophile?…….YES___ NO___

  19. #19 |  Big A | 

    Some of the clown comments were saddening. I thought that licensing clowns being ridiculous was something most people could agree on. Nope. As soon as “the children” are brought in, all logic flies out the window. Sad thing is they’re right in a way- it is important to make sure not to hire pedophiles to entertain your children. I’m just always surprised how many people think the government can do a better job with the screening than they can. Can Americans do nothing for themselves?

  20. #20 |  Dave Krueger | 

    #15 Chuchundra

    If Greenwald got a flat tire, he’d figure out some way that it was really Obama’s fault.

    Obama doesn’t have the power to inflict flat tires on people. But, if he’s in office long enough I’m pretty sure he’ll get around to assuming that authority and Congress probably won’t even bat an eyelash.

  21. #21 |  albatross | 

    Chuchundra:

    As far as I can tell, he’s entirely consistent–he was bashing Bush and company for the same crap that Obama and company are now doing.

    Obama’s approach on the War on Terror differs from Bush’s, as far as I can tell, mainly in the fact that his speeches regarding the WOT have better grammar. Obama deserves to be bashed for continuing those disastrous policies.

  22. #22 |  Mattocracy | 

    Violently overthrowing a government is what the founders of this country did.

  23. #23 |  Andrew Roth | 

    Rand Paul’s outburst over violent radicals looks like savvy, dirty Kentucky politics to me. That sort of tyrannical saber-rattling plays well among reactionary bigots, who are a big political force in the Appalachians and Ozarks. Paul’s constituency falls within the arc of scary highland Cracker bigotry running from the hillbilly parts of Central and Western Pennsylvania to Eastern Oklahoma.

    This is the point at which any self-appointed defenders of working-class Whites following this thread fire off a diatribe about how I’m just another bicoastal elitist who looks down on their kind (although probably on another site, since I’ve never noticed bigotry on this site and am not criticizing present company). In case they’re reading this, I lived for years on the margins of Amish country, anthracite coal country, and the Scots hillbilly territory west of the Susquehanna, so I know something whereof I speak. My problem in this case is not that the bigotry is being practiced by the poor, the uneducated, or the marginalized. It is that anyone who refers to another person as “that fucking nigger” (apparently most commonly used against Barack Obama in the Appalachians and Ozarks) or has a public conniption about the construction of a mosque (e.g., Murfreesboro) is an ass hat. It doesn’t matter how rich or poor, or educated or uneducated, said ass hat is, but there happens to be a particularly rich vein of that bigotry in the Appalachians and Ozarks, and I won’t abide by any exemption from criticism claimed by an historically oppressed group on the basis that I’m not one of them. (Plenty of white bigots have learned how to play the affirmative action card.) Certainly not when the offended bigots are fellow Americans whose votes affect laws and policies in our common nation.

    That tangential screed is over, but I think it was relevant. Rand Paul will almost certainly raise the same nasty sort of wedge issues in the future, either to insulate himself from blame for a moribund economy or as a red herring to cover for his own elitist brand of class warfare. I know I’ve committed a rhetorical faux pas by using that term in a libertarian forum, but I can’t think of a more reasonable term for trying to privatize the hell out of basic services used by the poor and the ignorant, which is exactly what I expect Paul to try to do if he can get political cover. I hope I’m wrong, but he seems ideological enough to wave a bloody shirt in front of coal miners’ widows while he beggars them behind their backs.

  24. #24 |  SJE | 

    Another problem with Rand Paul’s piece, as noted by the journalist Jeffrey Goldberg, is that even a journalist who covers a wacko would violate the plain language of Rand Paul’s proposal.

  25. #25 |  Leon Wolfeson | 

    BigA – Sure. Again. And Again. And Again. Costly.

    Better to have a professional registration scheme. You don’t need to make it mandatory, but it’s existence alone solves 99% of the issue.

  26. #26 |  Bob | 

    “Gene Healy wraps up a three part-series on Obama’s imperial presidency.”

    I am coming to believe that there IS indeed a Shadow Council at play here. Their goal being a Totalitarian policy shift in the belief that True Americans ™ want their lives to be controlled and safe, just like the Bible says.

    What I think happens is… a President, noob and wet behind the ears, is elected. He (Or she, so far it’s been he.) is approached by people he KNOWS are in control of back room shit… and filled in on the real deal. That’s the “Oh Fuck!” moment for the person.

    They then have 3 choices.

    1) Back the agenda and take the vig they offer. This furthers the Totalitarian Agenda for 4 or 8 years.

    2) Say No! And have the testicles (Or testicle surrogates in the form of ovaries.) to resist them. no Problem! 4 or 8 years later… a new person will be in the office.

    3) Betray them openly and risk getting hurt.

    No matter what… the Totalitarian Agenda wins in the end. Exactly what we are seeing now. Fucking GHANDI could be elected president. It wouldn’t matter. That would just slow the process down a bit.

    Check this news report from the West Coast:
    http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/43233984/ns/us_news-life/

    The Fire Department just stood there and watched this guy commit suicide by drowning. And it took him an HOUR to do it. A mere 100 yards from shore. Not ONE Fire Fighter dropped his gear and jumped in to try to save him.

    They are THAT afraid of the ramifications of policy. How did it come to this?

    Totalitarian Regimes run on policy, not individual initiative. That policy is enforced by exile. Not exile from society, but exile from the position of authority.

  27. #27 |  derfel cadarn | 

    As to the prospect of licensing clowns,do we use the same criteria that we use for politicians, government bureaucrats and members of our police depts.? It would seem that that would be adequate as they have so much in common. I must ask,will clowns have blanket immunity like the rest of these jokers?

  28. #28 |  MPH | 

    On the article about freedom of speech: if, as it says, the protection to say anything is absolute, how do people get convicted of conspiracy charges? One can be convicted of conspiracy to commit (insert item here) by TALKING about the commission of a crime. Indeed, a few years ago several people were imprisoned for conspiracy to bomb a federal building, even though no bomb had yet been built! So while I agree that, based on what the constitution actually says, protection of speech is absolute, in practice, it hasn’t been that way for a long time.

  29. #29 |  Donald | 

    It appears to me there are plenty of agency doing background checks for clowns already. A law like the one proposed would prevent people like my moms friend from doing their thing. She was a full time school teacher that would perform as a clown at birthdays parties every once in a while to make extra money. I’ve been to AAA baseball games with more people at the park than lived in our town so everyone who hired this woman also knew her personally and a law like this would just cause unnecessary hassle and expense perhaps locking her out of the market entirely. Besides, if you are hiring a stranger to entertain children at your home, whether or not a background check is done, you have no business leaving them in a situation with your kid where molestation could happen. Hint: if the clown brings over wine and a Barry White CD kick his ass out your house.

  30. #30 |  Mattocracy | 

    @ #23 Andrew Roth

    What the fuck are you talking about? How does supporting arresting anti-government advocates rally his base? The Paul’s attract a lot of anti-government types, and they live in the very same arc you talk about.

    And what the hell does racism have to do with arresting anti-government types? They hate black people so they’re gonna support arresting the militia members they’re related to? None of that made sense.

    And heaven forbid we privatize things and bring competition so the poor can choose the best services for the lowest price instead of whatever the local monopoly decides. What a shitty guy for doing such a thing.

  31. #31 |  Mattocracy | 

    I realize that the article is talking about arresting Muslims for advocating the overthrow of America, and I’m sure that a lot of people in Kentucky don’t like Muslims, but they sure as hell don’t like the TSA, ATF, or any other law enforcement agency either. A great deal of hillbillies see the connection between the Fed’s attacking their “enemy” and how it can be an attack on them too.

    I imagine that Rand is going to get a lot of flak from the C4L membership. At least I hope he does.

  32. #32 |  Ted S. | 

    Obama doesn’t have the power to inflict flat tires on people.

    I think it’s somewhere in the Necessary and Proper clause. Either that, or some people use their cars in more than one state, so that’s interstate commerce.

  33. #33 |  Dave Krueger | 

    #32 Ted S.

    I think it’s somewhere in the Necessary and Proper clause. Either that, or some people use their cars in more than one state, so that’s interstate commerce.

    Even if you never drove your car out of state and even if you built your own car completely from raw materials found within your state, the federal government would still have jurisdiction over it because the very fact that you built your own rather than buying one made elsewhere is considered an impact on interstate commerce. (Wickard v. Filburn)

    The U.S. Supreme Court regularly takes the Constitution out of its glass case at the National Archives, flogs it, stretches in the rack, and waterboards it until it finally surrenders to their interpretation. Yep, the Supreme Court can make the Constitution sing any tune they want. And the public just whistles along perfectly in tune.

  34. #34 |  Windy | 

    @ #31 “I imagine that Rand is going to get a lot of flak from the C4L membership. At least I hope he does.”

    He did from me. I won’t get a response, tho, because I’m not in his constituency, but i gave him hell for those words. You can, too:
    http://paul.senate.gov/?p=contact

  35. #35 |  Abhishek | 

    On the Mandy Connell show, Rand Paul somewhat clarified his remarks. He said the following:

    It is against the law to promote the violent overthrow of the U.S. government. It’s against the law to promote violence against the president. We put people in jail for promoting violence through words against the president…and…for promoting violent overthrow….That’s not a protected form of speech….

    I was talking about what you would use…in order to target and in order to get a warrant….What I don’t want is the PATRIOT Act trolling through everyone’s records and saying if you go to a political speech or a political rally I disagree with, we’re going to throw you out of the country….

    Let’s say that the police or the FBI or the CIA is investigating a group in Pakistan, and that group in Pakistan has made 25 phone calls to somebody in the United States. That to me is a warning sign, and probably enough to get a warrant. Say they also find that person is going to a radical Islamicist who is promoting the violent overthrow [of the U.S. government] and promoting the planting of IEDs to kill our soldiers. I think that is another warning sign that that person is a potential terrorist. Then I think you go to a judge and ask for a warrant.

    The ultimate result could be deportation. We also have a lower standard for deportation than we do for…U.S. citizens. U.S. citizens cannot be kicked out of the country. But if you’re visiting…here on a student visa, you have to report periodically to the authorities where you are, that you’re in school; you can be deported if you’re not in school when you said you were in school….Sixteen of the 19 hijackers were here on a student visa; they should have been deported because they were not following the rules….

    All I’m saying is that attending a rally where you call for the violent overthrow of the United States—one, it’s against the law to say that, but attending the rally would be supportive evidence for a judge.

    It is still deeply troubling. For one, it shows Paul thinks that advocating violent overthrow of the government is against the law. It isn’t. As the Supreme Court ruled in Brandenburg, such speech is illegal only when it leads IMMINENT incitement of violence, AND is likely to lead to such violence.

    On civil liberties, Paul just went from an A in my book to a D.

  36. #36 |  Abhishek | 

    The blockquote was supposed to end at “judge”.

  37. #37 |  Ted S. | 

    @Dave #33:

    I probably should have made it clearer that my tongue was planted firmly in my cheek.

  38. #38 |  Dave Krueger | 

    # #37 Ted S.

    @Dave #33:

    I probably should have made it clearer that my tongue was planted firmly in my cheek.

    That’s the way I took it. I was simply pointing out that the reality is even goofier than the joke.

  39. #39 |  Joe | 

    I am generally libertarian on most professions, but clowns are evil.

    We need to track and monitor them all the time.

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