The incident in Tuscon would still be problematic regardless of whatever premise the government used to gain their warrant. It was the manner and methods they employed in serving that warrant that killed an innocent civilian.

You can argue all you want that ‘taking away the funding’ might reduce the problem, but so long as LEOs are willing -and permitted- to freely engage in such brazenly un-Constitutional acts the problem will not be eliminated.

Radly wants to roll back the WoSD, I’m in agreement. He sees Tuscon as a direct consequence of the WoSD, I disagree. We may never reach agreement on that latter point. But it really doesn’t matter because we need to recognize that those types of actions by law enforcement have become an accepted standard of practice, one that the law condones and the populace accepts. It is a problem that has effectively taken on a life of it’s own. Take away the WoSD and it will not go away, any more than the Mafia went away with the end of alcohol prohibition.

In that sense, and from a strictly tactical approach, why even raise the issue of the premise used to gain the warrant? It does not matter. Frankly, even if the man had been guilty of some heinous crime (with the possible exception of specifically killing a cop while resisting arrest) I’d still have a serious problem with the manner in which they served the warrant. It is an approach all but guaranteed to create bodies, and this was just another example of that.

I want to take it back.

As for Warren Bonesteel…well he is more of a rusty dick.

What ever happened to that civil war that was going to break out in 6 months…2 years ago or so?

Just curious…

You claimed to be tapped into some reliable sources at that time.

People at Protein Wisdom know all there is to know about all there is to know.

Well, we know all there is to know about Warren Bonesteel, which to his way of thinking is exactly the same thing.

Just view his commentary on “People at Protein Wisdom” through the context of bitter grudge.

Carry on!

:-)

Add a No-Knock feature, and at night, the risk to the citizen further increases.

Toss in a few “flash-bang” GRENADES, and they add further confusion and disorientation to everyone involved.

No-Knock, late night SWAT raids are a proven formula for: DEATH OF THE CITIZEN.

When SWAT was started in L.A. back in the 1960′s, it was specifically intended as a specially trained, but rarely used heavily armed team for HOSTAGE RESCUE or a barricade situation. Like a bank robbery where bank hostages were taken, a la the movie “Dog Day Afternoon”.

At that time, the police were lightly armed with .38 caliber or .357 caliber six-shot pistols. They may or may not have been issued a shotgun. They did not have much individual firepower. They were also more of a “peace officer” mentality.

Now, they are of a LAW ENFORCEMENT and Military Wannabe mentality.

SWAT are armed with sniper rifles, and automatic assault rifles like M-16′s.

On the very tamest of WoD issues, medical marijuana, the feds have proven they don’t give a shit both about a majority of the population, which is par the course, but also about state law, which goes to show just how far they’ll go to preserve the WoD.

I absolutely agree. Outside of the most bunkered of drug houses, why is it reasonable to kick in doors and shoot to kill anyone that gets in the way?

It is a horrible situation in which citizens are made to fear the people whose duty is to protect them.

Yes, but Darleen has a really good point with: Really, please point out where an achieved goal has meant the shutdown of the Fed bureaucracy and attendant funding … cause I would love to see it.

The ATF got started up because of the end of Prohibition. They couldn’t just fire all those revenooers, so they made a (constitutionally ludicrous) class of firearms illegal with the NFA of 1934 and moved the tax cops from busting people making the devil’s ‘shine to people sawing the barrel off a shotgun.

I absolutely agree that the Wo(S)D has been the genesis of huge quantities of this violence against the citizenry. But I will eat my hat if the end of the War on Drugs brought about an end, or even a significant reduction, in the amount of federal financing available to local police departments to use on fancy toys to control the populace with. Unless, and this is a big unless, the WoD is ended as a result of a general turnaround in the populace getting tired of being hunted for sport by our own police.

The answer is that the announcement was poor. There should have been much more siren action, more megaphones (or even one at least) and more time between the announcement through the megaphone and the breach of the door.

It is as simple as that.