Comment of the Day

Saturday, May 21st, 2011

To the post directly below this one:

Then please ‘stop pretending’ to even remotely enjoy living in this country and get the fuck out Radley. God damn, go live in some shit hole third world country for all I care. Hell, you wouldn’t even be allowed to have a blog.

Convincing!

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55 Responses to “Comment of the Day”

  1. #1 |  Steven | 

    Why Do You Hate America? ™

  2. #2 |  Nate | 

    Because nothing says red blooded american like fellating authority!

  3. #3 |  DaddyBear | 

    I’m not going to say I always agree with you, because I don’t. But you have every right to your opinions and to expressing them. Telling someone you don’t agree with to leave the country is childish.

  4. #4 |  JS | 

    hahaha…I always crack up at people who think people in other countries don’t have freedom. Like Mike Huckabee for example. My mom watches the Huckster every saturday and he always goes off about how grateful he is to live in America because only in America can we enjoy the freedom to play this kind of music, come on TV and talk about our view, to have a blog, ect, etc.

    Hey Radley did they have blogs in Croatia? I forgot to even ask. I’m sure they probably don’t because they aren’t free like we are.

  5. #5 |  kant | 

    ahhh yes the “if you don’t like this country leave” line. Always a classic. ignoring the fact that the US pretty much strong arms everyone into adopting our policies. Clearly that guy has waived the right to complain about anything in american policy.

  6. #6 |  Doug | 

    Whiskey Tango Foxtrot?!?! How is legitimately questioning injustice, official malfeasance, or unconstitutional legislation somehow unAmurrikan? Those are this nation’s foundational principles: QUESTION AUTHORITY.

    I am neither religious nor an atheist, but if there’s anything in this life that I hold sacred, it is foremost the First Amendment, followed by the Bill of Rights, followed by the Declaration of Independence, followed by the U.S. Constitution, followed by the Magna Carta. The Bible, Talmud, Mahabharata, and Koran (in about that order) are VERY distant runners up.

  7. #7 |  Rhayader | 

    I’ve gotta side with Mr. CallMeConvervative on this one. The day this country lost touch with true convervative values is the day it all went to hell. Go to Belgium or something, and leave America to the convervatives.

  8. #8 |  Ken Hagler | 

    The problem with that is that moving to another country makes you subject to US foreign policy.

  9. #9 |  JS | 

    Rhayader you know damn well they don’t let people blog in Belgium!

  10. #10 |  JS | 

    Ken Hagler “The problem with that is that moving to another country makes you subject to US foreign policy.”

    lol brilliant! That’s going in my collection of quotes!

  11. #11 |  fish | 

    Balko tell the ex to stop posting.

  12. #12 |  the innominate one | 

    Reminds me of a discussion with a former coworker who asserted that the U.S.A. was the most free country. When I pointed out that the Netherlands allows pot smoking and prostitution, he replied that he wasn’t interested in doing those things.

    Yes, he is an idiot.

  13. #13 |  Dan | 

    I guess the Rapture happened… the tribulations have started.

  14. #14 |  Willy | 

    I myself am making plans to leave the country. Heading south to sandy beaches and pretty senoritas.

  15. #15 |  Doctor Moreau | 

    Yes, daring to care about America and wishing it would live up to its standards is unreasonable. Please leave now and go to a third world nation.
    Like inner city D.C.

  16. #16 |  EH | 

    STOP RESISTING!

  17. #17 |  Robert | 

    What Captain America doesn’t realize is that as our freedoms erode and opportunities dwindle the best and brightest WILL leave. Already our tax code attempts to keep people from leaving, and I’m sure as the situation here continues to deteriorate, it We will make it illegal to leave. Of course the laws will be made in the name of patriotism, but all the same, it will happen.

    It’s not going to happen over night, but in another 10 to 20 years, intelligent hard working people will be leaving this country like rats off of a burning ship.

  18. #18 |  Bünzli | 

    I love how these ‘patriots’ never realize that had attitudes like theirs prevailed in the late 1700s, the US wouldn’t even exist.

    ‘How dare you criticize the policies of His Majestys Government! If you don’t like it here leave the Empire!’

  19. #19 |  Kevin Carson | 

    To CallMeConservative and Rhader: This country was founded by hell-raisers who told those in authority to fuck off, and overthrew their own duly constituted governments. That’s right, they committed treason against their own Commander-in-Chief, King George! If you don’t like people who question authority, get yourself a time machine and go back to Germany ca. 1934 where you belong so you can worship Hitler. You two are a disgrace to everything this country ever stood for.

  20. #20 |  ClubMedSux | 

    Rhayader beat me to it. I’m done with liverals like Radley. Time to find a good convervative blog that tellv it the way it iv.

  21. #21 |  John H. | 

    Kevin, I would agree with you except for one small detail – read Rhayader’s post again Very, Very carefully.

  22. #22 |  Charlie | 

    Love it or leave it. I’ve heard this argument my entire life. The other one is that if you don’t vote then you don’t have the right to complain. The premise is that to criticize the system you must first endorse it, but once you endorse it, you shouldn’t criticize it. Neat trick there.

  23. #23 |  CH | 

    The IP address of Mensa.org is 216.234.242.98

    I’m guessing this didn’t come from there.

  24. #24 |  Xenocles | 

    @18-

    “‘How dare you criticize the policies of His Majestys Government! If you don’t like it here leave the Empire!’”

    They did, of course.

  25. #25 |  DoubleU | 

    Radley, an equal opportunity offender.

  26. #26 |  Z | 

    #12 the whole gist of this “America is freeeeeee” argument is that its free for the people who say it to do the things they now do. The idea that others have freedom even if they have different values or interests never enters their minds.

  27. #27 |  derfel cadarn | 

    FREEDOM is having the right to say NO!!! Freedom is when someone whose position you despise speaks out and YOU defend their right to say it. However ,though you have the right to speak you do not get to impose your views on others. Why is this so difficult for the singled brain-celled on both the left and the right to grasp?

  28. #28 |  David Chesler | 

    “My country right or wrong; if right, to keep her right; if wrong, to set her right.” – Carl Schurz

    In my humble, and I hope not overly optimistic, opinion, things can still be set right.

  29. #29 |  Bill | 

    Herbert Spencer, as usual, has all the answers:

    To me the cry – “Our country, right or wrong!” seems detestable.

    http://praxeology.net/HS-FC-20.htm

  30. #30 |  damaged justice | 

    Scratch a “conservative”, find a commie. Every time.

  31. #31 |  Dave | 

    I’d like to find a bumper sticker that says something like “America, love it or vote to change it – like the founding fathers intended”. Maybe a bit long, but it would be a good counter to all the “love it or leave it” morons.

  32. #32 |  C. S. P. Schofield | 

    This guy is a jerk, granted. But there comes a point where I am sorely tempted to tell some people “If it’s so great elsewhere, why are you here?” I’m not a proponent of “My Country, right or wrong.” but there are times when I get to “My Country; if you hate it so much, the borders ARE open.”

    As for our cockroach here; what Radley is doing is trying to get this country to live up to its ideals and reputation. This is the duty of every citizen. Naturally it annoys those who would rather sink into neurasthenia and apathy.

  33. #33 |  Peej | 

    This nation was founded via the questioning of authority. The human need to speak up & speak out is a fundamental right. Those “Love it or Leave it” folks who love to talk about “American Exceptionalism” should answer the questions like; “Well then why do we have 5% of the worlds population & 25% of it’s prisoners”?, or; “Why is the this exceptional country sinking ever deeper into third world education rankings”? or finally; “Why does our government make war against it’s own citizens over what they choose to put in their bodies?”

    What they don’t get is that if you love this country and the fact that you live in it, you have the right if not the duty to speak up against injustice, corruption, and brutality whenever you see it. Unfortunately, as a country we’ve lost too many critical thinkers, thinkers like the founding fathers.

  34. #34 |  varmintito | 

    The core message of Buddhismis not “every man for himself” and the core message of the First Amendment is not “America, love it or leave it.”

  35. #35 |  Jeff | 

    I think this quote from Robert Higgs says it well:

    Whenever I write along the foregoing lines, I always receive messages from Neanderthals who, imagining that I “hate America,” demand that I get the hell out of this country and go back to wherever I came from. Such reactions evince not only bad manners, but a fundamental misunderstanding of my grievance.

    I most emphatically do not hate America. I was not born in some foreign despotism, but in a domestic one known as Oklahoma, which I understand to be the very heart and soul of this country so far as culture and refinement are concerned. Moreover, for what it is worth, some of my ancestors had been living in North America for centuries before a handful of ragged, starving white men washed ashore on this continent, planted their flag, and claimed all the land they could see and a great deal they could not see on behalf of some sorry-ass European monarch. What chutzpah! I yield to no one in my affection for the Statue of Liberty, the Rocky Mountains, and the amber waves of grain, not to mention the celebrated jumping frog of Calaveras County. So when I am invited to get out of the country, I feel like someone living in a town taken over by the James Gang who has been told that if he doesn’t like being robbed and bullied by uninvited thugs, he should move to another town. To me, it seems much more fitting that the criminals get out.

    http://hnn.us/blogs/entries/127458.html

  36. #36 |  celticdragon | 

    Yes, daring to care about America and wishing it would live up to its standards is unreasonable. Please leave now and go to a third world nation.
    Like inner city D.C.

    While we are on that subject, here is some shiny new video of the police in DC giving their special brand of attention to a homeless man in a wheelchair.

    http://worldstarhiphop.com/videos/video.php?v=wshhIB28kp8E5bKwU4Qq

    Make sure you watch the last 40 seconds or so.

  37. #37 |  Hogchoker | 

    I’d like to know how this kinetic action in Libya can be supported by so-called conservatives? Do “conservatives” believe that all military action initiated by a President is to be supported no matter what? Is there some underlying cause that serves our national interest that I’m missing?

    Or is the anger directed at our host only because he calls out our government’s failings? Is our government never capable of a mistake? I thought conservatives believed only God was infallible. This takes us to the belief that Infallible = God and Infallible = Government, therefore Government = God. Wasn’t that the mantra of the USSR?

  38. #38 |  ktc2 | 

    Off topic: Philly police say they dont care if you are following the law, they’re going to fuck with you anyway.

    http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2011/05/21/altercation-philadelphia-police-say-wont-look-way-open-carry-gun-owners/?test=latestnews

  39. #39 |  celticdragon | 

    Go to Belgium or something, and leave America to the convervatives.

    Just try to make me leave…

  40. #40 |  Lefty | 

    The old love it or leave it argument. An oldie but a goodie.

  41. #41 |  JS | 

    #37 ktc2, Houston cops do the same thing about carrying an ID on you. They take you right to jail if you don’t have an ID on you.

  42. #42 |  Aresen | 

    David Chesler | May 22nd, 2011 at 8:30 am

    “My country right or wrong; if right, to keep her right; if wrong, to set her right.” – Carl Schurz

    Interesting, and thank you. Kinda puts a different spin on it from the way it is usually put.

  43. #43 |  JS | 

    #32 C.S.P. Schofield “I’m not a proponent of “My Country, right or wrong.” but there are times when I get to “My Country; if you hate it so much, the borders ARE open.””

    Maybe not so much anymore: http://www.escapeartist.com/Expat_Taxes/Trapped_In_America/

  44. #44 |  C. S. P. Schofield | 

    #43, JS;

    My God, the never-ending avarice of the political class never fails to amaze me.

  45. #45 |  JS | 

    I know, wasn’t that amazing? I’m stunned sometimes. Of course nobody ever mentioned it on the evening news.

  46. #46 |  cApitalist | 

    The love it or leave it argument (if I can call it that) begs the question. Those who make it presuppose they or the state have the moral authority to tell others what to do at gun point. My property and life are not America’s to control. Their fucking mine.

  47. #47 |  wannaBeaMiser | 

    I mean seriously, all Radley does it bitch about the country, the state of the country, the politics of the country, and the policies of the country. I’m not trying to be a dick here, I seriously want to know why some people aren’t allowed to seriously ask why he doesn’t just move? The minute you mention anything like this on a libertarian blog you just get a bunch of r-tard commenters yelling ‘TEAM RED TEAM BLUE LOLOL’

  48. #48 |  Stick | 

    Even here in Australia we’ve heard of this bloke called Thomas Paine. He said something along the lines of : The duty of a patriot is to protect his country from it’s government.

  49. #49 |  yonemoto | 

    U street cardozo. Figures. Class conflict, bitches.

  50. #50 |  yonemoto | 

    (PS two blocks from where the pulling a gun at a snowball fight thing happened)

  51. #51 |  Justin | 

    wannaBeaMiser,

    dude do you even understand the meaning of the word agitator?

  52. #52 |  AL | 

    I’m not trying to be a dick here, I seriously want to know why some people aren’t allowed to seriously ask why he doesn’t just move?

    How about instead of moving, you stay and fix the problems? The minute you mention anything about staying and fixing, you get a bunch r-tard commenters yelling “LOVE IT OR LEAVE IT LOLOLOLOLOLOL.”

  53. #53 |  JOR | 

    “But there comes a point where I am sorely tempted to tell some people “If it’s so great elsewhere, why are you here?”

    That’s only a remotely rational response when their arguments are premised on the idea that not only is some other country better than America, but that it is better in every conceivable way than America, AND their primary aims in criticizing/complaining/whining are to make America a more pleasant/more profitable place for themselves personally, AND they couldn’t possibly have some other reason for staying besides agreement with policies or sympathy for the culture (say, patriotic “tough love”, or attachment to certain individuals who live here, or economic realities, or any number of other things) . Of course, none of these apply to Radley.

  54. #54 |  JOR | 

    #47,
    Standing up against injustice is worthwhile for its own sake. And standing up against injustices closest to you makes the most sense, practically, for most people. Now maybe you don’t agree with Radley about what constitutes justice or injustice, but if so, then that’s the real, substantive matter of disagreement between the two of you, and vain speculations about personal motives or substantively empty feigned methodological criticisms are mere distraction at best.

  55. #55 |  albatross | 

    wannabe:

    Of course, at some point, those of us with serious concerns about the direction of the country will leave, if we can manage it. I’ve been thinking about it more and more over the last decade, as I’ve watched my country build up a turnkey police state with bipartisan support for eliminating any barriers to its use. There’s a point where you realize you have to leave your country, in much the same way that, despite an honest intention to spend your life with your spouse, at some point in the drunk and crazy and violent, it’s just time to get out. In my judgment, we’re not there yet, but we’re a lot closer than I’d like.

    And at the same time, I don’t know any other country as well as I know this one, so it’s hard to have lots of confidence in my ability to evaluate the long-term stability and quality of life of, say, Spain or Chile or Belgium or Anguilla or whatever. And I’m as anchored here as most other middle-class middle-aged folks, with kids in school and a mortgage and friends and family here. There are a lot of reasons to stay. On one hand, perhaps leaving will be running away from shadows, or jumping from frying pan to fire. On the other, I imagine there were folks sitting in every gulag and death camp who *could* have gotten out in time, but thought they could ride out whatever came.

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