Cop accosts a man legally carrying a gun, and guess what?

Tuesday, May 17th, 2011

The guy he harassed just happened to record the event on his cellphone.

As my final farewell gift, I leave you with this story of a guy legally carrying an unconcealed weapon who was accosted by a Philadelphia cop who, as is often the case, didn’t know what he was doing.  The story has been around for a couple months, but I think it’s new to The Agitator, so some of you may not have heard about it.

On a mild February afternoon, Fiorino, 25, decided to walk to an AutoZone on Frankford Avenue in Northeast Philly with the .40-caliber Glock he legally owns holstered in plain view on his left hip. His stroll ended when someone called out from behind: “Yo, Junior, what are you doing?”

Fiorino wheeled and saw Sgt. Michael Dougherty aiming a handgun at him.

Of course, when they later found out that “Junior” hadn’t done anything wrong, they let him go.  But, then he posted the recording on youtube and cops, being cops, just couldn’t leave well enough alone.  They just had to invite the DA to join their performance of “We are dumb as dirt”.

The Police Department heard about the YouTube clips. A new investigation was launched, and last month the District Attorney’s Office decided to charge Fiorino with reckless endangerment and disorderly conduct because, a spokeswoman said, he refused to cooperate with police.

The guy plans to sue after his case is resolved, but it sure seems to be another clear example of the cops retaliating against someone who tarnished their reputation by recording their incompetence.  I’m hoping he wins.  Luckily, Philadelphia has been busy cutting school budgets so it should have plenty of ready cash to fork over to Mr. Fiorino when the city finally comes to its senses and settles.

Stossel has a more concise version of the story if you just want the highlights.

Anyway, that’s it for me.  I’m outa here.  It’s been fun and you’ve been great, but I know we’re all glad Radley is back so he can get the site back to its normal rhythm.  Oh, and thanks for the compliments on the puppy pictures.  :-)

[Posted by Dave Krueger]

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20 Responses to “Cop accosts a man legally carrying a gun, and guess what?”

  1. #1 |  a leap at the wheel | 

    See, this is why I don’t buy my own auto parts.

  2. #2 |  Bob | 

    My favorite part:

    “For one thing, Evers said, Fiorino could have been shot. Cops who raced to the scene could have gotten into a car accident or injured pedestrians.”

    Really? That’s the lesson here? Not that cops in Philly are so fucking untrained that they aren’t aware of the gun laws in their own state? I mean really, why should cops be aware of laws concerning guns? In their own state? I know what the laws are in my state, and I’m not even a cop.

    The County cops didn’t have a problem with that. There were all “Hey buddy! You got a license for that rosco?” And when he showed it to them they were all “No problem, Sir! Have a nice day.”

    But not in Philly. This (And other reports of police criminal activity in Philly) tell me that the Police Culture in Philly is corrupt to the core.

  3. #3 |  Boyd Durkin | 

    “So, Sgt. Mike, what you think we should do with this guy?”
    “I dunno. Let’s charge him with some bullshit. If he wins, no skin off our noses.”
    “Man, it’s good to be a cop.”
    “Now kiss me, Gary.”

  4. #4 |  Dave Krueger | 

    #3 | Boyd Durkin

    “Now kiss me, Gary.”

    LMAO! That made my day.

  5. #5 |  Dante | 

    Philadelphia?

    That’s Chief Ramsey territory. He used to be in DC.

    No wonder the street officers are thugs.

  6. #6 |  Leah | 

    Great guest-posting stint, Dave!

  7. #7 |  Yizmo Gizmo | 

    The ignorance of the cop here is astonishing…
    If the police were acting in good faith, and not abusing their power,
    why did they use the word “setup” upon seeing the microphone?
    This word is usually reserved for people who break laws or ethics
    getting caught.

  8. #8 |  nony mouse | 

    “They just had to invite the DA to join their performance of “We are dumb as dirt”.”

    18 USC 241

  9. #9 |  CTD | 

    If you’ll notice in videos of police/citizen encounters similar to this one, one of the people is typically firm, but cordial and calm. The other is usually screaming like a deranged lunatic and pointing deadly weapons at people. Care to predict who is who?

  10. #10 |  bear | 

    Dave, daily reader for ten years,here…You put in some exceptional coverage for Radley last week. You’re an excellent contributor to the agitator on both sides of this place. Well deserved Dave….and very well played. -bear

  11. #11 |  Cyto | 

    “These aren’t bad people,” Healy said.

    ironically, he was speaking about the gun carrying public….

  12. #12 |  JimBob | 

    The best (worst) part of this is, the Philly piece links to another “lick the fucking cops’ boots” piece on gun rights, about a black guy who was arrested in November 2010 for having the audacity to openly carry at a bus stop. They busted him for loitering and took his gun. Afterwards, he returned to the bus stop, openly carrying a different gun (with another copy of his carry license) and trying to document the scene with a camera. The cops busted him and took his second gun.

    “If he’s that defiant, should this guy have a gun?” said Sgt. Ray Evers, a police spokesman.

    “The gun has been taken because when you go through the process of arrest, we have the right to take your gun and secure it and you have to fight to get it back,” he said. “If the cops tell you to move four times and you don’t move, what do you expect?”

    FUCK the Philly pigs.

  13. #13 |  Bill P. | 

    Fellas, I don’t think open-carry is legal in Philadelphia. Concealed-carry … yes, open-carry … no.

  14. #14 |  Powersox | 

    @13, Bill P., a Google search for “Philadelphia Open Carry” brought me to this website – http://paopencarry.org/open-carry-questions-answers – which states that open carry is valid as long as the carrier has proper licenses.

  15. #15 |  Dave Krueger | 

    #13 Bill P.

    Fellas, I don’t think open-carry is legal in Philadelphia. Concealed-carry … yes, open-carry … no.

    Directive 137 says you can open carry in Philly if you have a concealed carry license. Excerpt below:

    3. IN PHILADELPHIA, UNLIKE ANY OTHER PART OF THE STATE, FOR
    ANY PERSON TO LAWFULLY, OPENLY AND VISIBLY CARRY A
    FIREARM, THAT PERSON MUST HAVE A CONCEALED CARRY
    FIREARMS LICENSE. SO, IN PHILADELPHIA, IF A PERSON HAS A
    VALID CONCEALED CARRY FIREARMS LICENSE, HE OR SHE CAN
    LEGALLY CARRY A FIREARM EITHER OPEN AND VISIBLE OR
    CONCEALED.

    It does seem interesting that the law is essentially a decree from the police department rather than a law passed by a legislative body such as the city council. That makes the city even more fucked up than the story lets on.

  16. #16 |  Charlie O | 

    Another clear case that shows that police are basically morons. Cops do not seem to have any responsibility to actually know the laws they are paid to enforce. I’ve come across it personally, time and time again. These fucktards should all be fired and/or arrested.

  17. #17 |  George in AZ | 

    Good story, but moronic asides inserted by Dave, who now crawls back under his rock. You really think Philadelphia is banking all the money it cuts from school expenditures?

  18. #18 |  Robert | 

    Really? That’s the lesson here? Not that cops in Philly are so fucking untrained that they aren’t aware of the gun laws in their own state? I mean really, why should cops be aware of laws concerning guns? In their own state? I know what the laws are in my state, and I’m not even a cop.

    I think if there’s anything this site has taught us it’s that ignorance of the law is excusable ONLY if you are a cop.

  19. #19 |  Dave Krueger | 

    #17 George in AZ

    Good story, but moronic asides inserted by Dave, who now crawls back under his rock. You really think Philadelphia is banking all the money it cuts from school expenditures?

    No, George. It was sarcasm. I thought that was rather obvious from the tone of my remarks, but not everyone picks up on it.

    Of course they aren’t banking the money. They are making cuts because they have money problems, so they clearly can’t afford to lose a lawsuit.

  20. #20 |  croaker | 

    @15 And that is a change, at least in attitude, since I was growing up in PA. Open carry was legal, but cops everywhere in the state interpreted the law to mean that a holster illegally concealed the gun. This was in the 70′s and 80′s, before the gun rights people took over the state legislature.

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