Teenaged Boy Arrested for Distributing Girl-Ranking List; Is Being a Colossal Jerk Actually Illegal?

Wednesday, May 11th, 2011

A 17-year-old boy was arrested and charged with disorderly conduct in Oak Park, IL this week. His alleged crime? Creating and distributing a raunchy, offensive “girl ranking” list, otherwise known as “blatant jackassery.” This story made the rounds earlier this year, and his classmates say he’s previously been expelled for a similar stunt, but now the police are getting involved.

Jackassery aside, the kid, who has not been identified because he’s a minor (he should count his lucky stars), allegedly created and distributed a list ranking 50 high school girls by facial appearance, various body parts, and supposed sexual prowess. The list also reportedly included racial and ethnic slurs, and undoubtedly clever titles for each girl like “the Fallen Angel” or “the Hangover.” Witnesses claim that, after handing out paper copies of his list, he gave an impromptu speech in front of a group of boys, crowing “women are the future, unless we stop them.” In an utterly unsurprising culmination of events, the list ended up on Facebook (sounds familiar, right?). Oak Park police have charged him with disorderly conduct and have passed his case onto juvenile court.

Obviously, this boy is a repugnant little SOB who deserves to have the sense knocked out of him on a daily basis in prison or wherever his sorry ass lands in life. But criminal charges? Distributing fliers in school I suppose could be considered misdemeanor disorderly conduct, but I assume a good attorney could have this charge thrown out in court. Don’t the defamed students have recourse through a civil suit? Are the police just using disorderly conduct as a bludgeon towards a kid who said something unpopular? What free speech issues does this raise?

It sounds to me like this guy isn’t the brightest crayon in the box. He may be a plucky, audacious punk now, but a bright future of meth addiction and child support payments likely awaits him. If I were one of these girls, I’d be very tempted to “leak” the guy’s name and photo to Gawker, and let the internet’s collective snark decide his ranking. Then I’d wish him luck in ever again finding a women who’d be willing to touch him.

[Libby]

Addendum: Let’s just get the inevitable comparisons to Karen Owen and her Duke University F-list out of the way now: She was a jerk, too, and anyone who Googles her name now knows it.

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78 Responses to “Teenaged Boy Arrested for Distributing Girl-Ranking List; Is Being a Colossal Jerk Actually Illegal?”

  1. #1 |  Aresen | 

    Obviously, this boy is a repugnant little SOB who deserves to have the sense knocked out of him on a daily basis in prison or wherever his sorry ass lands in life.

    Uh, boys have been at this sort of thing for thousands of years. Visit Pompeii and read the graffiti if you need to confirm that.

    I submit this is nothing more than an incident that got noticed. Any male over 14 who hasn’t sat on a bench with his friends and rated the passing females (usually raucously) is not normal. (And from conversation with my female friends, I understand their sex does the same thing, although in different settings.)

    So, while it is jackassery, it is normal jackassery and I suspect that the kid would have turned out perfectly normal if the cops hadn’t gotten involved. By doing so, however, they have really screwed him.

  2. #2 |  EH | 

    A lot of manufactured indignance, especially on the part of our author here. Where exactly are you getting this meth & child support business from?

  3. #3 |  matt | 

    Email is down but just came across this “New Professionalism” story- police shoot 71 rounds during SWAT raid killing a U.S. Marine: http://azstarnet.com/news/local/crime/article_d7d979d4-f4fb-5603-af76-0bef206f8301.html

    EMS was kept out off of the premises until after he died and police aren’t releasing any details of what might have been found during the raid.

  4. #4 |  ClubMedSux | 

    In Libby’s defense, there’s a huge difference between sitting around and talking about girls and making a rather detailed document, printing a hundred copies, and distributing them around school. I think we’re all in agreement that this should not be a crime, but even as a male who doesn’t mind sharing his opinions about female attractiveness I would say that this kid is a douchebag. If nothing else he’s trying waaaaay too hard.

  5. #5 |  Reginod | 

    “Don’t the defamed students have recourse through a civil suit?”

    Probably not. First, they would have to show that the list contained objective statements, not mere opinion. (So “X is hotter than Y”, “Z is a dirty skank”, etc. would not be enough). Then they would have to show that the facts are false. (And, assuming they can do this, it’s not going to be fun to try to prove in open court). Then they would have to show (assuming the SOB has good lawyers) that his list wasn’t protected satire or commentary on important issues.

    Winning a defamation suit in the USA is hard because the First Amendment applies there too. Generally speaking I think that’s a good thing. In this case I think it is one more reason to argue for a private remedy.

  6. #6 |  Fred Mangels | 

    If it doesn’t happen this time, it probably won’t be too long before guys that get caught doing things like this have to register as sex offenders.

  7. #7 |  Jerri Lynn Ward | 

    “Obviously, this boy is a repugnant little SOB who deserves to have the sense knocked out of him on a daily basis in prison or wherever his sorry ass lands in life.”

    Being old enough to have practiced law for 31 years, I can tell you that my experience has taught me that girls and women are much harder on their own sex than these silly boys were on the girls in their school. No adolescent boy can out-catty a girl past the age of 9.

    I guess that zero-tolerance school policies will now include zero-tolerance for immaturity.

  8. #8 |  SB7 | 

    Jailhouse beatings? Meth addiction? Child support?

    This was a shitty thing for this twerp to have done, sure. But I my classmates did the same damn thing ten years ago, and they’re upstanding citizens with professional jobs now. Hell, I know more female classmates who did this sort of thing — including distribution both in paper and online — than males, and those women are also upstanding citizens holding down professional jobs and marriages.

    I personally wouldn’t shed a tear if some of these girls, or their friends, or boyfriends, or brothers, wanted to teach this kid the wages of jackassery the hard way. But I don’t think he’s doomed to a life of perpetual jackassery either.

  9. #9 |  gottabeKiddingme | 

    WHAT HAPPENED TO THIS SITE???

    “Obviously, this boy is a repugnant little SOB who deserves to have the sense knocked out of him on a daily basis in prison or wherever his sorry ass lands in life.”

    And in the very same paragraph: “What free speech issues does this raise?”

    I dunno. Let’s get back to “obviously”. Obviously, advocating violence against a minor and then advocating state force against him for what is here termed “jackassery” is just BLATANTLY SCREWED DUDE. The event reads to me like a fairly clever piece of socio-political theater. I guess the explicit humor of “women are the future unless we stop them” is as lost on you as it is the cops in this case.

    This is the second time this week I’ve seen this board become a democratic lynchmob with no basis in ideology, it’s just the forum of the mob: let’s jail him, no let’s beat him, no let’s ram something sharp up his rectum. Everybody has an opinion, everybody has a rectum and it’s up to the public which end we shove sharp things up or down.

    So let’s return to what free speech issues along with what other inalienable rights are at stake: freedom of assembly, freedom of expression, the rights to liberty and the pursuit of happiness.

    AND PLEASE, DON’T TELL ME MINORS DON’T HAVE CONSTITUTIONAL RIGHTS WHEN MOST OF YOU ARE TALKING ABOUT VIOLATING THEM AND ADVOCATING VIOLENCE AGAINST MINORS.

    I have high hopes this young man’s creativity will be put to good uses. WTF IS WRONG WITH THE REST OF YOU OGRES? This kid is young, young kids do stupid things. WHAT’S YOUR EXCUSE?

  10. #10 |  Leonard | 

    Obviously, this boy is a repugnant little SOB who deserves to have the sense knocked out of him on a daily basis in prison or wherever his sorry ass lands in life.

    Not obvious.

  11. #11 |  John Q. Galt | 

    gottabeKiddingme, Radley left some liberal women in charge of his house while he’s gone. What did you expect?

  12. #12 |  CTD | 

    “EMS was kept out off of the premises until after he died and police aren’t releasing any details of what might have been found during the raid.

    This tells me:

    1)All his guns were legally-owned.

    2) They didn’t find any drugs at all

    3) Will in a short time report that they “found” tiny amounts of MJ and/or cocaine in the house that they put there.

  13. #13 |  Dave Krueger | 

    Nope. This is not a crime.

    It’s another example of why the school system should be private.

    “Sure, kid. You have First Amendment rights. But, it just so happens our school has some behavioral standards that you have to meet if you want to attend here. You can take your Facebook list down and personally issue a convincing written apology to the girls or you can find another school that is more tolerant of that kind of behavior. Which is it going to be?”

    “Oh, and one more thing. We called your dad and told him the situation and he’s coming over to help you with your decision.”

  14. #14 |  Acksiom | 

    She self-identified as a feminist right from the start. Why are any of you surprised? This is what feminists are, because this is what feminists do.

    It’s like being surprised when people who have identified themselves as “caucasianist” or “christianist” engage in racial or religious supremacism and bigotry. They denigrate non-caucasian or non-christian people, and call for their discriminatory repression.

    Feminists are no different. Feminism is the theory and practice of prioritizing women’s interests ahead of those of men and children, and of institutionalizing that prioritization. Feminists are gender supremacists and bigots.

    That’s based on observation, BTW, not just empty semantic theorizing. Because that’s what feminists actually do. Ask yourself what you think the three biggest issues of gender discrimination against males and favoring females are, and then look at what feminists have actually done about them.

  15. #15 |  Acksiom | 

    @EH: from her bigoted, chauvanistic nature. She’s a feminist; feminists are bigots and chauvanists. It shouldn’t surprise you that she engages in other forms of bigotry and chauvanism, such as characterizing the kid as a future white trash meth-abusing deprived dad.

    Because that’s what bigots are like, and feminists are bigots, and Libby is a feminist.

    Libby = feminist = bigoted chauvanist. Because “bigoted chauvanism” is what feminists consistently and reliably do. Just as Libby is doing right here.

  16. #16 |  maybelogics | 

    “a bright future of meth addiction and child support payments likely awaits him.”

    Oh, come on. This isn’t blatant jackassery, it’s comedic Hollywood scriptwriting. “Women are the future, unless we stop them” is some funny shit! And I say this as a woman who’s thoroughly invested in surviving the present.

    We should be laughing at the kid and letting him know he’ll never get laid with that kind of attitude. (He’ll have to use it to make money first.) Getting huffy about it (ie. arresting him) just gives him grounds to become a misogynist for reals. But if he must be corrected, sentence him to watch 10 Woody Allen movies. At least that’ll teach him something useful.

  17. #17 |  Leonard | 

    Ah, but the thing is, with that sort of attitude he will get laid. Women — many, not all — women love jerks.

  18. #18 |  Marty | 

    #12 | CTD- another reason is that they wanted to make sure he was dead. I’ve witnessed it- the cops told me they didn’t want the guy coming after them… ‘that’s why we shoot to kill.’

  19. #19 |  Irving Washington | 

    I have a list rating the sexual prowess of all the Agitator commenters. Please don’t send the cops after me.

  20. #20 |  adam | 

    This kid will do just fine with the ladies. Lots of women love jerks. I hope the criminal justice system doesn’t ruin his life.

  21. #21 |  Leon Wolfeson | 

    Criminal charges? No, not really.
    The school expelling him? Absolutely.

  22. #22 |  Sean L. | 

    Also, maybe guest bloggers should actually *read* the blog the’re posting on. That way they’d know this story was just posted by someone else.

  23. #23 |  RomanCandle | 

    “Obviously, this boy is a repugnant little SOB who deserves to have the sense knocked out of him on a daily basis in prison or wherever his sorry ass lands in life.”

    It’s the “obviously” that really makes this quote a beauty. Now does everyone see why I made that crack about this site turning into Jezebel?

    ****

    “This kid will do just fine with the ladies. Lots of women love jerks.”

    “Ah, but the thing is, with that sort of attitude he will get laid. Women — many, not all — women love jerks.”

    This is probably true, assuming he has confidence and a “devil may care” attitude about this whole sordid situation. That means alot more to most women than being a gentleman. I’m definitely a jerk to women, and in such a way that only a bitter, ex-nice guy can be. And I do about 10 times better. Sad, but true.

  24. #24 |  jb | 

    “Are the police just using disorderly conduct as a bludgeon …?”

    No, that never happens.

  25. #25 |  JS | 

    #13 Dave sometimes you are another Solomon!

  26. #26 |  Leon Wolfeson | 

    Dave – How does making schools private help? If anything, it means that discipline standards between schools will vary more wildly (not to mention access to them).

    Fixing the standards by having a sensible debate on policy, and implementing that policy on schools (with a procedure to allow local modification by agreement for special, and I mean special, circumstances) is a far quicker, easier way of doing things. And it doesn’t push a good few kids into work too early.

  27. #27 |  kidseven | 

    Wow. What an utterly terrible post. This kid sounds about like most boys his age except maybe he’s smarter or more creative than his peers. And you hope he ends up in prison? Well played. Maybe you should start banning dissenting opinions here a well while Radley’s away.

  28. #28 |  matlock expressway | 

    “Oak Park police have charged him with disorderly conduct and have passed his case onto juvenile court.”

    Fuck that. What could be more orderly than creating a spreadsheet? The source of the data for the spreadsheet is surely a red herring.

    And it’s not like this would’ve led to any sort of disorder en masse. If anything, it’d probably do the opposite, standardizing the value of prospective sexual partners (à la the Kelley Blue Book and the used car market).

  29. #29 |  Scorgs | 

    uh…While I don’t think its obvious he deserves beatings or anything, I do think its “obvious” that he is a jerk. If you guys were like that in high school then, sorry, but you were also jerks. Also no where in this article does libby agree that he ought to be arrested, she just hope bad things happen in his life to help him not be an ass/show him he is an ass. I don’t agree that we should wish bad things on others but I also don’t see his actions or statements as hilarious (except in what a stupid fuckhead way).

    “Radley left some liberal women in charge of his house while he’s gone. What did you expect?” “this site has turned in Jezebel” etc…, comes pretty close to just “left some women in charge what do you expect?”

    just because the assholery of men and boys is normal does not mean that it is “no big deal” or a joke…

  30. #30 |  Dave Krueger | 

    #26 Leon Wolfeson

    Dave – How does making schools private help? If anything, it means that discipline standards between schools will vary more wildly (not to mention access to them).

    Multiple reasons. To name a few:

    First, a private school is governed by the need to deliver an attractive product to it’s customers in order to keep them. By embarrassing 50 other kids, this kid is jeopardizing the school’s ability to attract customers. That gives them an incentive to solve the problem in a way that satisfies the 50 other kids (hence the apologies).

    Private schools aren’t awash in bureaucracy, red tape, and social engineering obligations. The kid broke their rules and, one way or the other, the problem will be behind them by the end of the week. That fact is even more important when it comes to misconduct on the part of the staff. Private schools have no “rubber rooms”.

    And what is to be gained by standardizing discipline requirements? What purpose is gained by making schools all adhere to a single standard on any aspect of their mission? Private schools have to do whatever it takes to attract customers. If there are a lot of students with discipline problems, you can be sure there will be plenty of schools designed specifically to deal with discipline problems.

    Fixing the standards by having a sensible debate on policy, and implementing that policy on schools (with a procedure to allow local modification by agreement for special, and I mean special, circumstances) is a far quicker, easier way of doing things. And it doesn’t push a good few kids into work too early.

    Absolutely nothing you describe in that paragraph applies to anything government does. Government is the use of force by the majority (and/or influential) against the minority. It’s not compassion or caring or excellence or efficiency.

    In the U.S., the education system is a jobs program for union teachers (and an increasing percentage of non teachers). In the current government system, the only people with no say in how their kids are educated are parents and kids (ie: the customers). And just for the record, our health system is pointed down the same path.

  31. #31 |  André | 

    kidseven: I’ll put up with the opinions of someone who assumes the kid is guilty until proven innocent as long as we can have Dave Krueger, too. Guest blogging is a mixed bag; make the most of it.

  32. #32 |  Sean L. | 

    “Fixing the standards by having a sensible debate on policy, and implementing that policy on schools is a far quicker, easier way of doing things.”

    And the fastest way to start social strife when no one can agree on what those ‘standards’ should be. Yours is a statist solution. Having all private schools allows parents to decide for *themselves* how strict they want their school to be. If there is a mass parent ‘migration’ from the lax schools to the strict schools, then a de-facto standard will be reached without any coercion at all.

  33. #33 |  CTD | 

    “Obviously, this boy is a repugnant little SOB who deserves to have the sense knocked out of him on a daily basis in prison or wherever his sorry ass lands in life.”

    Meth addiction? Prison? What the hell?

    Go spill this bilge over at Jezebel. I’m sure you’ll find a gaggle of hooting commenters to agree with your desire to see him drawn and quartered.

    We tend to take notions of freedom and egalitarianism pretty seriously on the other hand, and resent calls/predictions of ruin for teenagers who do dumb teenager things that don’t actually hurt anyone. (And that 99.9% of all of us did anyway.) He’ll likely grow out of it, just like most of us did. Its was a thoughtless, juvenile mistake that he’s doubtlessly suffered enough from.

    Unless, as someone mentioned, he’s got A+ game, in which case the whole escapade will be a feature, not a bug.

  34. #34 |  BillC | 

    I think you’re the jerk Libby.

  35. #35 |  BSK | 

    The “boys have always done this” doesn’t necessarily make it right. I agree that the response is hugely disproportionate to his actions. But so would doing nothing, as some here have advocated, because often times nothing was done when this happened in the past. The punishment must fit the crime. But that doesn’t mean a decidedly non-crime deserves a non-punishment.

    I agree that the author goes to far in condemning this kid to a life of anti-social behavior. Many kids do dumb, offensive, morally repugnant things and grow up to become well-adjusted adults, either in response to their earlier mistakes or in spite of them. The kid should be punished by the school (and certainly by his parents) and ideally not a girl in the school will give him a second glance (the ultimate punishment to a kid this age and this preoccupied with sex). He doesn’t deserve a trip through the criminal injustice system or a lifelong curse. But he doesn’t deserve a pass either because our cavemen ancestors have a long history of treating women like shit.

  36. #36 |  RomanCandle | 

    It’s funny…modern feminism has been so perverted that men are now viewing this kid almost as a folk hero, whereas in the past such behavior would have gotten him as ass-kicking.

    Years of mocking and destroying masculinity has that effect.

  37. #37 |  J.S. | 

    Gonna agree with Roman here. Guy is a jerk but I honestly don’t give a good gosh darn about the poor wittle girls’ hurt fweelings. The Duke list is an apt comparison. Welcome to “equality” ladies.

    “In the U.S., the education system is a jobs program for union teachers (and an increasing percentage of non teachers). In the current government system, the only people with no say in how their kids are educated are parents and kids (ie: the customers). And just for the record, our health system is pointed down the same path.”

    Yup. “Public school is child abuse”. There is a story going out there today in Maryland I think, two boys suspended, one arrested for having a knife and a lighter in their bags during a school bus search before heading off to a lacrosse game.

  38. #38 |  JOR | 

    Well, humans and their ancestors have been doing an awful lot of things to each other since the dawn of time (or at least since the dawn of great apes); for most of these things, nobody would be stupid enough to use, “well, but people have been doing these things since…” as an excuse. You know something humans have been doing for thousands and thousands of years? Using laws and public shaming and violence against each other to enforce their social ideals. So stop whining about them awful, awful feminists: they’re just humans doing what humans have always done.

    (Note for idiots: No, I don’t really endorse much of anything in the OP; I don’t even particularly sympathize with feminism. Even with the pigs’ intervention, the kid most likely will end up more or less well-adjusted, and wishing daily beatings on someone just for doing something stupid and assholish is morally depraved, though of course the blogger is as entitled to say and do the occasional stupid thing as anyone, and will, like most people who do or say stupid things, turn out all right on balance. None of that makes appeals to traditional masculinity, cavemen, lizard brains, biological programming, etc. any less stupid.)

  39. #39 |  maybelogics | 

    #17 et al. “Women — many, not all — women love jerks.”

    We love certain *kinds* of jerks: funny jerks, smart jerks, or rich jerks. Men can’t win hearts & panties on jerkishness alone. And you’ve gotta be selective in your jerkishness. You can’t just go around being a jerk to everyone, you need to make us feel special so we can excuse your jerkishness as the ploy we know it to be. This poor girl-ranker has got a lot to learn. Hence the parenthetical and my recommended sentence. The disorderly conduct charge is so… uncreative.

  40. #40 |  John C. Randolph | 

    Apparently, the cops don’t understand that the first amendment protects a kid’s right to make an ass of himself. The kid should recover a sizeable settlement for false arrest.

    -jcr

  41. #41 |  Mike T | 

    She self-identified as a feminist right from the start. Why are any of you surprised? This is what feminists are, because this is what feminists do.

    Most libertarians have an affinity for feminism. They ignore the vicious, collectivist side of feminism that is the mainstream of feminism in favor of citing a few examples where feminists actually stood for individual freedom. They’ll claim a few token “libertarian feminists” while practically ignoring the thoroughly Marxist past of feminism and the fact that most major voices in feminism today are vicious cunts who passionately hate the libertarian agenda.

  42. #42 |  Mike T | 

    That is to say, they live in denial that Wendy McElroy and other “ifeminist types” are virtually invisible compared to feminists like those at Feministing, Pandagon, Jezebel and the like.

  43. #43 |  Nancy Lebovitz | 

    J.S., why don’t you care about the girls’ feelings?

  44. #44 |  bcg | 

    “Obviously, this boy is a repugnant little SOB who deserves to have the sense knocked out of him on a daily basis in prison or wherever his sorry ass lands in life.”

    Yes, for his words! And for his attitudes about women! The proper response to improper words and attitudes is physical abuse! The scales must be evened!

  45. #45 |  Mario | 

    I’m sorry, but the Duke University woman was worse. The high school boy’s list is likely a combination of fantasy and hearsay. But the Duke student’s list was composed of her personal reviews.

    Now, even Michael Jordan had off days on the court. Personally, I’d be mortified to think that some of my less than stellar performances would be publicized.

  46. #46 |  Thomas Paine's Goiter | 

    This entry is absolutely disgusting and you should be ashamed for typing the words. Radley should be ashamed of his poor judgement in allowing you to write here. Please stop publishing and allow the others to continue.

  47. #47 |  Mannie | 

    #42 | Nancy Lebovitz | May 12th, 2011 at 7:52 am
    J.S., why don’t you care about the girls’ feelings?

    What difference do their feelings make? Should hurting someone’s pwescious feelings be grounds for criminal charges? Your statement has hurt my feelings. Off to prison with you.

  48. #48 |  Mannie | 

    #36 | J.S. | May 12th, 2011 at 1:07 am

    Yup. “Public school is child abuse”. There is a story going out there today in Maryland I think, two boys suspended, one arrested for having a knife and a lighter in their bags during a school bus search before heading off to a lacrosse game. [emphasis added]

    It’s worse. They were using those deadly weapons a Bic lighter (an explosive device? WTF?) and a deadly Leatherman Tool to fix State Issued athletic equipment.

    I made just the highlighted comment on another blog. At this point I’d discourage any kid from taking part in any school extracurricular activities. They are dangerous. They expose the kids to abuse by the criminal wasters who populate the ranks of teachers, administrators, and cops. Get the hell off the property as soon as you can. Go hang out in a gang, where you’re safer.

  49. #49 |  perlhaqr | 

    Radley’s move to HuffPo is going to be awesome.

  50. #50 |  Nancy Lebovitz | 

    Mannie, JS said he didn’t care about the girls’ feelings, and I took that to mean in general rather than that the proposed punishment for the boy was excessive.

    The thing is, I do care about the girls’ feelings– being bullied and harassed, or even insulted once, can affect people for a long time. I try to notice how people are treated in general, but I used to be more of a “can’t we all just get along” type, and now I’m more aware that there’s a lot of hostility between the sexes, and I do have a side.

    I don’t think arguments that people should be tougher make any sense– china shouldn’t break if I drop it, either. People are affected by insults– otherwise there’d be no point in insulting them.

  51. #51 |  Coyote | 

    Jesus, some of you guys are a bunch of whiny bitches. OP is not, in fact, advocating that the boy end up in prison for what he’s done, that he be charged for a crime, etc. That is explicit in her post.

    Rather, it’s speculation that “obviously” someone like him will end up in prison/trouble in his future. I disagree that that necessarily follows, but she’s just venting on how much of a tool this kid is. Let’s not misconstrue her position (I’m looking at you, #9).

  52. #52 |  C. S. P. Schofield | 

    The kid has an absolute right to print the kind of swill you describe. The girls he insulted have no right to not be offended by jerks (which is not so say they shouldn’t feel offended, just that they have no right to never feel that way). The idiots who had him arrested are asking for a lawsuit, which the kid should win handily, for violating his civil rights. The First Amendment MUST protect offensive speech, or it os no good to anybody save as a false front to protect Those In Charge from the just charge of Fascism.

    That said, the boy displayed colossal bad judgement. On the other hand, colossal bad judgement is part and parcel of being 17. It is to be hoped that he will develop some discretion before he reaches theoretical maturity.

    Give him detention until he graduates? Or until he publicly apologizes? Sure. That is a reasonable punishment for a student that has displayed anti-socal behavior. He may have a right to write what he likes. He also has a right to have to deal with the social consequences (One could even argue that if the school DOESN’T find some way to express official distaste they are depriving him of a lesson he has a moral right to receive). I seriously doubt that he is going to get laid until he moves away from that school (if he does, all that proves is that 17 year old Girls have no better judgement than 17 year old boys.).

    If the school does not have a rule about treating fellow students with courtesy, it should. I suppose that if it doesn’t, they can’t even give him detention, but I would be surprised at the lack.

    I guess that what I’m saying is not a dismissive “Boys will be Boys”, but one which continues “and you have to plan how to teach them not to.”. Arresting him and getting hit with a million dollar judgement isn’t the way. Telling him he no longer enjoys the privilege of extracurricular activities or the freedom of the school when he is not in class is more in proportion.

  53. #53 |  Carl Drega | 

    I miss Radley.

  54. #54 |  Boyd Durkin | 

    Quite frankly, the Internet has ways of dealing with behavior like this. 4chan, Reddit, Youtube, and other sites are teaching people being a jerk has a downside.

    Good luck getting any college action, kid. Susie Palm awaits you.

  55. #55 |  Jesse | 

    Wow what is going on around here.

    The kid is hilarious, sure as hell shouldn’t be charged with anything nor have any violence perpetrated against him, and I can’t figure out how this could possibly be grounds for expulsion from a taxpayer-funded school with compulsory attendance. Public school administrators frankly have far too much leeway in that area these days. If we’re forced to pay for these worthless, expensive, government-run babysitting camps, and our kids are pseudo-forced to attend them, then what our kids do outside of them is no damn business of the school. Or, if a kid is expelled, the per-pupil cost should automatically be deducted from the school’s budget and returned to the parents via a property tax refund. I wonder how many kids would be expelled then.

  56. #56 |  Pablo | 

    Yes, this kid is a jerk, but that should not be against the law. I wont add much else, except to say that your wish to see someone physically (sexually?) assulted–because they have disseminated offensive remarks about others–is offensive to the values of free speech which most regular readers of this blog hold dear.

    I do like your idea about posting his photo and stats and letting the gals rate him. Fair is fair.

  57. #57 |  Pablo | 

    #54 Jesse–agree 100%. Between this story and the story on Today show this morning (kid comandeers a school billboard to ask a girl to the prom, and is suspended and prohibited from attenting his prom) it seems the authorities have taken pretty much all the fun and mischief out of being a kid. Thank god I grew up in an era where kids could be kids without having their lives ruined.

  58. #58 |  ChicagoSucks | 

    @Roman, I’m with you man.

  59. #59 |  Barnes | 

    “Woman are the future, unless we stop them” No genuine woman hating retard would have come up with that, it’s too hilarious to be written by anyone other than a kid just messing around.

  60. #60 |  Leon Wolfeson | 

    Boyd – 4chan teaches being a jerk has a downside? More like being a jerk means you have company. You have to go well beyond “jerk” (to, oh, making bomb threats or torturing cats, to give two examples) before 4chan does anything about your behavior.

    Dave – Sure, the private school needs to attract pupils. That means they’re far MORE likely to have zero-tolerance (zero-brain) policies about behaviour, not less.

    Any deacent school is going to have records. A lot of records. At least at secondary level here, only a *tiny* proportion of them relate to the state’s demands. Most of them relate to the qualifications the school offers, which are set by private exam boards.

    “And what is to be gained by standardizing discipline requirements?”

    Consistence and fairness. Precisely the things most important for establishing discipline in children. All you do by pushing things privately is ensure that there are NO schools, or a few ones which basically teach nothing but stop the parents getting in trouble with the authorities, which take “disruptive” students (i.e. ones who do ANYTHING wrong).

    America spends over 50% more, on average, to educate each kid (and uses four year university courses, not three) and has worse results than the UK’s far more uniform teaching methods and syllabus. If you have rubber rooms, then that’s a problem with your bureaucracy, a weed which needs frequent pruning, not a problem with the concept of public schools

    (Ignore the handwringing articles (from the left-dovvies, who irritate me significantly MORE than right wingers) over “only 50% of kids have 5 good GCSE’s” here, the exams are only marginally easier than 30 years ago, when the target was 25%…UK schools are generally very good)

    “Government is the use of force by the majority (and/or influential) against the minority. It’s not compassion or caring or excellence or efficiency. ”

    And Libertarians are free-market maniacs with a hard on for the gold standard. Look, we can either trade marketing slogans or we can have a discussion. And if it’s the slogans, well, there are other people who mock far better than I do, so I’ll leave it to them. Yes, government and people are unequal actors, and there must be consideration as to public access and proper oversight into everything they do, but corporations and people are also unequal actors, and profit motives make them poorer choices to run universal services. If you want schools to be non-profits, well, I’m listening, but…

    And your health system is broken because you’re insisting on following a broken “compromise” rather than a sensible systematic reform, yes.

    (Again, the only way either the UK or US health systems can be defended are “they evolved that way”. Take a look at the .nl system for one with universal insurance, which avoids adverse selection, encourages preventative care and which has a *higher* percentage of care delivered via private companies than the US!)

  61. #61 |  Leon Wolfeson | 

    Also…

    Radley asked these people to guest-blog. I’m pretty sure he knew precisely what would happen, but it’s rather sad that some people have started yelling over this stuff. It’s a good part of the reason why many people don’t trust libertarians.

    (Personally, as I said, I’d rather talk to right wingers and the moderate left, the doves do my head in)

  62. #62 |  Mannie | 

    #49 | Nancy Lebovitz | May 12th, 2011 at 10:45 am
    Mannie, JS said he didn’t care about the girls’ feelings, and I took that to mean in general rather than that the proposed punishment for the boy was excessive.

    It still doesn’t matter. You have no right not to be offended. The converse of that is that I have a right to be offensive. A’oles are a protected class. I find the Kum-bay-yah position to be morally offensive. It demeans humanity. Should Kum-Bay_Yahistas be thrown in prison? I think they should. To the Gulag!

  63. #63 |  Zeb | 

    #60, I’m not sure what you are trying to say about libertarians. I hardly think that they are unique in the way they respond to things they disagree with.

  64. #64 |  Zeb | 

    Whatever happened to “sticks and stone may break my bones, but names will never hurt me”? Kid’s should be taught that words are just words and can be ignored, not that they have a right never to have their feelings hurt.

    I would never make it through public high school today (and I was a good kid). I don’t think that I attended a day of school from the time I was 12 without a knife and a lighter in my pocket. No responsible person should ever leave the house without a knife and a lighter.

  65. #65 |  Dave Krueger | 

    #63 Zeb

    Whatever happened to “sticks and stone may break my bones, but names will never hurt me”?

    Words were elevated to the level of sticks and stones by sexual harassment laws. Girls might have to learn to ignore words like this in school, but once they get a job they can sue.

    At work, the right to free speech was zeroed out by the right not to be offended.

  66. #66 |  BSK | 

    I brought this up elsewhere, and realize the pandora’s box it opens, but why are we assured of a freedom from physical violence but not emotional or mental violence? Is it only because physical violence can be more easily assessed and corroborated (I can know for sure if you have a broken bone but I can’t really know the depth of your broken heart)? Is it because we believe physical violence to be inherently worse than emotional/mental violence (even to the point that the most minor of physical abuses is greater than the greatest of all emotional/mental abuses)? Is it because of the perception that we can only be protected from emotional/mental abuse by the restriction of the freedoms of others (which begs the question, since physical violence protection is also predicated upon a restriction of freedoms)? Is it because of an absolute belief in the freedom of speech and expression (and the apparent rejection in an anbsolute belief in the freedom of movement, such as randomly punching the air and refusing to cease if your face fills my air)?

    I’m not asking this to be snarky. And I’m not necessarily advocating for the criminalization of hurtful words or actions. But there is a clear distinction between how we respond to physical violence and emotional/mental violence, and I would argue that libertarians are the most stark in their belief in this distinction. If that is the case, what is the reason for that? And can emotional/mental violence ever rise to the point of being criminal?

  67. #67 |  Libby Jacobson | 

    Saying “somebody deserves [ill fortune]” is not an incitement or a call to action. And drawing attention to a kid acting like a dick, and reminding people that his behavior isn’t actually funny is not equal to chauvinism.

    Also, somebody please let me know when WordPress starts allowing bloggers to place the “Leave a Comment” button immediately after the first paragraph of a post.

  68. #68 |  J.S. | 

    Nancy you’re right in that I meant in general. This situation being a prime example of many that have led me to that position. Yes, the boy was a jerk but so what? So are plenty of girls and nothing happens to them, for example Crystal Mangum in the Duke Lacrosse case. Arresting him just shows how corrupt and out of control our society is regarding the law and education.

    You can thank feminism and a general “entitled princess syndrome” in our society for my not caring about their feelings at all. I used to care and even then I would still say arresting him is ludicrous, even a suspension is given the first ammendment. Of course, that doesn’t meant there won’t be social consequences either, as it should be.

  69. #69 |  Rex | 

    You want him beaten and then google-killed because he pointed out some girls are uglier than others?

    Ehh… what?

  70. #70 |  Nate | 

    ‘Saying “somebody deserves [ill fortune]” is not an incitement or a call to action.’

    But it’s still not the high road. Also, he doesn’t deserve physical violence committed against him but may be flirting with asking for it. It’s like the whole, dressing a certain way isn’t asking for abuse thing. Nobody deserves that, and if you want people to believe that then you should set an example of this compassion and humanity you want society at large to engender.

  71. #71 |  IllyAlley | 

    I find the most objectionable and distasteful part of this whole story to be the freakishly indignant, sadistic, and snide commentary that the author chose to infuse into it.

  72. #72 |  Pam | 

    Every parent knows that adolescents, both boys and girls, are jerks. If you’re not a parent, just think back on your own adolescence (unless you never grew out of adolescence and in that case read no further and call your Mom). So Libby gave the kid a public spanking. I’m not ashamed to admit that I threatened my own son with all manner of dire consequences for jackassery and today he is a kind and decent man. And why not? He definitely did not want a future of future of meth addiction and child support payments.

  73. #73 |  CTD | 

    #69 | IllyAlley | May 12th, 2011 at 6:24 pm

    Exactly. Apparently she still doesn’t get that. Wishing someone to become a meth-addicted con with baby-mama drama because of a stupid teenage prank (that honestly isn’t hat different that what we all did in high school to one degree or another) is not cool on a site that respects freedom and liberty.

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  76. #76 |  Ken | 

    I don’t favor him being beaten, or jailed, or sued. I do favor him being named, and having many posts written about him, and having those posts pop up for the next decade every time a potential college, or potential date, or potential employer Googles him.

    By the way, the list he wrote is on the internet. I won’t link to it. But want a taste? Here are a couple, with some identifying details redacted. The reader can determine if “all boys” write stuff like this as teens.

    24. Fished Faced Gook: [NAME] is the first Asian (Zipper Head) to ever be on the list. But she’s not your typical Gook. She has a nice ass, huge rack, and takes idiot math with coons. So as you can see not all stereotypes are true, though a lot are because I’m pretty sure she reeks of Wasabi sauce. You can also add to her list of uncharacteristic traits the fact that she hangs out with some of the ghettoest girls in the grade, not to mention the smelliest. But besides all that she’s The List’s only and best looking Asian and kudos for being the only Jr. to make [TEAM]

    42. Ms. Chokesondick: I don’t know who is dumber. [NAME] or her parents. Lets weigh it out. Her parents adopted a mud blooded wet back and tried to civilize her by giving her the last name [NAME] and also let her play a brutally dangerous sport. Then there is [NAME]. Thinking she can make a difference in the greatest sport ever invented. Not knowing the only time a women should be on the field is during half time doing theatrical dances or asking male players about the cold whether. Or how about for not knowing the simple fact the genital herpes last forever. Well I think [NAME] wins. The only logic I can think of for her pure stupidity is Syphilis. If Syphilis is not treated in its early stages it can lead to insanity. Add that with her already bipolar personality and you once again have Jack Nickelson in the movie “One Flew Over the Coo Coo’s nest”.

  77. #77 |  OBTC | 

    While I don’t care for what the boy wrote I am more concerned with the charge of Disorderly Conduct. The tortured and twisted rationale that resulted in the arrest/charge of this student, if allowed to stand, is a danger to us all. Not just the prison inmates, er students.

    Expulsion maybe – but juvenile court, no way.

  78. #78 |  BSK | 

    Ken-

    Wow. So besides from being a mysognist, it also seems like he’s a racist, classist, and many other things. Yikes. Yes, publish the list with his name and let him deal with the repercussions.

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