Teenaged Boy Arrested for Distributing Girl-Ranking List; Is Being a Colossal Jerk Actually Illegal?

Wednesday, May 11th, 2011

A 17-year-old boy was arrested and charged with disorderly conduct in Oak Park, IL this week. His alleged crime? Creating and distributing a raunchy, offensive “girl ranking” list, otherwise known as “blatant jackassery.” This story made the rounds earlier this year, and his classmates say he’s previously been expelled for a similar stunt, but now the police are getting involved.

Jackassery aside, the kid, who has not been identified because he’s a minor (he should count his lucky stars), allegedly created and distributed a list ranking 50 high school girls by facial appearance, various body parts, and supposed sexual prowess. The list also reportedly included racial and ethnic slurs, and undoubtedly clever titles for each girl like “the Fallen Angel” or “the Hangover.” Witnesses claim that, after handing out paper copies of his list, he gave an impromptu speech in front of a group of boys, crowing “women are the future, unless we stop them.” In an utterly unsurprising culmination of events, the list ended up on Facebook (sounds familiar, right?). Oak Park police have charged him with disorderly conduct and have passed his case onto juvenile court.

Obviously, this boy is a repugnant little SOB who deserves to have the sense knocked out of him on a daily basis in prison or wherever his sorry ass lands in life. But criminal charges? Distributing fliers in school I suppose could be considered misdemeanor disorderly conduct, but I assume a good attorney could have this charge thrown out in court. Don’t the defamed students have recourse through a civil suit? Are the police just using disorderly conduct as a bludgeon towards a kid who said something unpopular? What free speech issues does this raise?

It sounds to me like this guy isn’t the brightest crayon in the box. He may be a plucky, audacious punk now, but a bright future of meth addiction and child support payments likely awaits him. If I were one of these girls, I’d be very tempted to “leak” the guy’s name and photo to Gawker, and let the internet’s collective snark decide his ranking. Then I’d wish him luck in ever again finding a women who’d be willing to touch him.


Addendum: Let’s just get the inevitable comparisons to Karen Owen and her Duke University F-list out of the way now: She was a jerk, too, and anyone who Googles her name now knows it.

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78 Responses to “Teenaged Boy Arrested for Distributing Girl-Ranking List; Is Being a Colossal Jerk Actually Illegal?”

  1. #1 |  Coyote | 

    Jesus, some of you guys are a bunch of whiny bitches. OP is not, in fact, advocating that the boy end up in prison for what he’s done, that he be charged for a crime, etc. That is explicit in her post.

    Rather, it’s speculation that “obviously” someone like him will end up in prison/trouble in his future. I disagree that that necessarily follows, but she’s just venting on how much of a tool this kid is. Let’s not misconstrue her position (I’m looking at you, #9).

  2. #2 |  C. S. P. Schofield | 

    The kid has an absolute right to print the kind of swill you describe. The girls he insulted have no right to not be offended by jerks (which is not so say they shouldn’t feel offended, just that they have no right to never feel that way). The idiots who had him arrested are asking for a lawsuit, which the kid should win handily, for violating his civil rights. The First Amendment MUST protect offensive speech, or it os no good to anybody save as a false front to protect Those In Charge from the just charge of Fascism.

    That said, the boy displayed colossal bad judgement. On the other hand, colossal bad judgement is part and parcel of being 17. It is to be hoped that he will develop some discretion before he reaches theoretical maturity.

    Give him detention until he graduates? Or until he publicly apologizes? Sure. That is a reasonable punishment for a student that has displayed anti-socal behavior. He may have a right to write what he likes. He also has a right to have to deal with the social consequences (One could even argue that if the school DOESN’T find some way to express official distaste they are depriving him of a lesson he has a moral right to receive). I seriously doubt that he is going to get laid until he moves away from that school (if he does, all that proves is that 17 year old Girls have no better judgement than 17 year old boys.).

    If the school does not have a rule about treating fellow students with courtesy, it should. I suppose that if it doesn’t, they can’t even give him detention, but I would be surprised at the lack.

    I guess that what I’m saying is not a dismissive “Boys will be Boys”, but one which continues “and you have to plan how to teach them not to.”. Arresting him and getting hit with a million dollar judgement isn’t the way. Telling him he no longer enjoys the privilege of extracurricular activities or the freedom of the school when he is not in class is more in proportion.

  3. #3 |  Carl Drega | 

    I miss Radley.

  4. #4 |  Boyd Durkin | 

    Quite frankly, the Internet has ways of dealing with behavior like this. 4chan, Reddit, Youtube, and other sites are teaching people being a jerk has a downside.

    Good luck getting any college action, kid. Susie Palm awaits you.

  5. #5 |  Jesse | 

    Wow what is going on around here.

    The kid is hilarious, sure as hell shouldn’t be charged with anything nor have any violence perpetrated against him, and I can’t figure out how this could possibly be grounds for expulsion from a taxpayer-funded school with compulsory attendance. Public school administrators frankly have far too much leeway in that area these days. If we’re forced to pay for these worthless, expensive, government-run babysitting camps, and our kids are pseudo-forced to attend them, then what our kids do outside of them is no damn business of the school. Or, if a kid is expelled, the per-pupil cost should automatically be deducted from the school’s budget and returned to the parents via a property tax refund. I wonder how many kids would be expelled then.

  6. #6 |  Pablo | 

    Yes, this kid is a jerk, but that should not be against the law. I wont add much else, except to say that your wish to see someone physically (sexually?) assulted–because they have disseminated offensive remarks about others–is offensive to the values of free speech which most regular readers of this blog hold dear.

    I do like your idea about posting his photo and stats and letting the gals rate him. Fair is fair.

  7. #7 |  Pablo | 

    #54 Jesse–agree 100%. Between this story and the story on Today show this morning (kid comandeers a school billboard to ask a girl to the prom, and is suspended and prohibited from attenting his prom) it seems the authorities have taken pretty much all the fun and mischief out of being a kid. Thank god I grew up in an era where kids could be kids without having their lives ruined.

  8. #8 |  ChicagoSucks | 

    @Roman, I’m with you man.

  9. #9 |  Barnes | 

    “Woman are the future, unless we stop them” No genuine woman hating retard would have come up with that, it’s too hilarious to be written by anyone other than a kid just messing around.

  10. #10 |  Leon Wolfeson | 

    Boyd – 4chan teaches being a jerk has a downside? More like being a jerk means you have company. You have to go well beyond “jerk” (to, oh, making bomb threats or torturing cats, to give two examples) before 4chan does anything about your behavior.

    Dave – Sure, the private school needs to attract pupils. That means they’re far MORE likely to have zero-tolerance (zero-brain) policies about behaviour, not less.

    Any deacent school is going to have records. A lot of records. At least at secondary level here, only a *tiny* proportion of them relate to the state’s demands. Most of them relate to the qualifications the school offers, which are set by private exam boards.

    “And what is to be gained by standardizing discipline requirements?”

    Consistence and fairness. Precisely the things most important for establishing discipline in children. All you do by pushing things privately is ensure that there are NO schools, or a few ones which basically teach nothing but stop the parents getting in trouble with the authorities, which take “disruptive” students (i.e. ones who do ANYTHING wrong).

    America spends over 50% more, on average, to educate each kid (and uses four year university courses, not three) and has worse results than the UK’s far more uniform teaching methods and syllabus. If you have rubber rooms, then that’s a problem with your bureaucracy, a weed which needs frequent pruning, not a problem with the concept of public schools

    (Ignore the handwringing articles (from the left-dovvies, who irritate me significantly MORE than right wingers) over “only 50% of kids have 5 good GCSE’s” here, the exams are only marginally easier than 30 years ago, when the target was 25%…UK schools are generally very good)

    “Government is the use of force by the majority (and/or influential) against the minority. It’s not compassion or caring or excellence or efficiency. ”

    And Libertarians are free-market maniacs with a hard on for the gold standard. Look, we can either trade marketing slogans or we can have a discussion. And if it’s the slogans, well, there are other people who mock far better than I do, so I’ll leave it to them. Yes, government and people are unequal actors, and there must be consideration as to public access and proper oversight into everything they do, but corporations and people are also unequal actors, and profit motives make them poorer choices to run universal services. If you want schools to be non-profits, well, I’m listening, but…

    And your health system is broken because you’re insisting on following a broken “compromise” rather than a sensible systematic reform, yes.

    (Again, the only way either the UK or US health systems can be defended are “they evolved that way”. Take a look at the .nl system for one with universal insurance, which avoids adverse selection, encourages preventative care and which has a *higher* percentage of care delivered via private companies than the US!)

  11. #11 |  Leon Wolfeson | 


    Radley asked these people to guest-blog. I’m pretty sure he knew precisely what would happen, but it’s rather sad that some people have started yelling over this stuff. It’s a good part of the reason why many people don’t trust libertarians.

    (Personally, as I said, I’d rather talk to right wingers and the moderate left, the doves do my head in)

  12. #12 |  Mannie | 

    #49 | Nancy Lebovitz | May 12th, 2011 at 10:45 am
    Mannie, JS said he didn’t care about the girls’ feelings, and I took that to mean in general rather than that the proposed punishment for the boy was excessive.

    It still doesn’t matter. You have no right not to be offended. The converse of that is that I have a right to be offensive. A’oles are a protected class. I find the Kum-bay-yah position to be morally offensive. It demeans humanity. Should Kum-Bay_Yahistas be thrown in prison? I think they should. To the Gulag!

  13. #13 |  Zeb | 

    #60, I’m not sure what you are trying to say about libertarians. I hardly think that they are unique in the way they respond to things they disagree with.

  14. #14 |  Zeb | 

    Whatever happened to “sticks and stone may break my bones, but names will never hurt me”? Kid’s should be taught that words are just words and can be ignored, not that they have a right never to have their feelings hurt.

    I would never make it through public high school today (and I was a good kid). I don’t think that I attended a day of school from the time I was 12 without a knife and a lighter in my pocket. No responsible person should ever leave the house without a knife and a lighter.

  15. #15 |  Dave Krueger | 

    #63 Zeb

    Whatever happened to “sticks and stone may break my bones, but names will never hurt me”?

    Words were elevated to the level of sticks and stones by sexual harassment laws. Girls might have to learn to ignore words like this in school, but once they get a job they can sue.

    At work, the right to free speech was zeroed out by the right not to be offended.

  16. #16 |  BSK | 

    I brought this up elsewhere, and realize the pandora’s box it opens, but why are we assured of a freedom from physical violence but not emotional or mental violence? Is it only because physical violence can be more easily assessed and corroborated (I can know for sure if you have a broken bone but I can’t really know the depth of your broken heart)? Is it because we believe physical violence to be inherently worse than emotional/mental violence (even to the point that the most minor of physical abuses is greater than the greatest of all emotional/mental abuses)? Is it because of the perception that we can only be protected from emotional/mental abuse by the restriction of the freedoms of others (which begs the question, since physical violence protection is also predicated upon a restriction of freedoms)? Is it because of an absolute belief in the freedom of speech and expression (and the apparent rejection in an anbsolute belief in the freedom of movement, such as randomly punching the air and refusing to cease if your face fills my air)?

    I’m not asking this to be snarky. And I’m not necessarily advocating for the criminalization of hurtful words or actions. But there is a clear distinction between how we respond to physical violence and emotional/mental violence, and I would argue that libertarians are the most stark in their belief in this distinction. If that is the case, what is the reason for that? And can emotional/mental violence ever rise to the point of being criminal?

  17. #17 |  Libby Jacobson | 

    Saying “somebody deserves [ill fortune]” is not an incitement or a call to action. And drawing attention to a kid acting like a dick, and reminding people that his behavior isn’t actually funny is not equal to chauvinism.

    Also, somebody please let me know when WordPress starts allowing bloggers to place the “Leave a Comment” button immediately after the first paragraph of a post.

  18. #18 |  J.S. | 

    Nancy you’re right in that I meant in general. This situation being a prime example of many that have led me to that position. Yes, the boy was a jerk but so what? So are plenty of girls and nothing happens to them, for example Crystal Mangum in the Duke Lacrosse case. Arresting him just shows how corrupt and out of control our society is regarding the law and education.

    You can thank feminism and a general “entitled princess syndrome” in our society for my not caring about their feelings at all. I used to care and even then I would still say arresting him is ludicrous, even a suspension is given the first ammendment. Of course, that doesn’t meant there won’t be social consequences either, as it should be.

  19. #19 |  Rex | 

    You want him beaten and then google-killed because he pointed out some girls are uglier than others?

    Ehh… what?

  20. #20 |  Nate | 

    ‘Saying “somebody deserves [ill fortune]” is not an incitement or a call to action.’

    But it’s still not the high road. Also, he doesn’t deserve physical violence committed against him but may be flirting with asking for it. It’s like the whole, dressing a certain way isn’t asking for abuse thing. Nobody deserves that, and if you want people to believe that then you should set an example of this compassion and humanity you want society at large to engender.

  21. #21 |  IllyAlley | 

    I find the most objectionable and distasteful part of this whole story to be the freakishly indignant, sadistic, and snide commentary that the author chose to infuse into it.

  22. #22 |  Pam | 

    Every parent knows that adolescents, both boys and girls, are jerks. If you’re not a parent, just think back on your own adolescence (unless you never grew out of adolescence and in that case read no further and call your Mom). So Libby gave the kid a public spanking. I’m not ashamed to admit that I threatened my own son with all manner of dire consequences for jackassery and today he is a kind and decent man. And why not? He definitely did not want a future of future of meth addiction and child support payments.

  23. #23 |  CTD | 

    #69 | IllyAlley | May 12th, 2011 at 6:24 pm

    Exactly. Apparently she still doesn’t get that. Wishing someone to become a meth-addicted con with baby-mama drama because of a stupid teenage prank (that honestly isn’t hat different that what we all did in high school to one degree or another) is not cool on a site that respects freedom and liberty.

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  26. #26 |  Ken | 

    I don’t favor him being beaten, or jailed, or sued. I do favor him being named, and having many posts written about him, and having those posts pop up for the next decade every time a potential college, or potential date, or potential employer Googles him.

    By the way, the list he wrote is on the internet. I won’t link to it. But want a taste? Here are a couple, with some identifying details redacted. The reader can determine if “all boys” write stuff like this as teens.

    24. Fished Faced Gook: [NAME] is the first Asian (Zipper Head) to ever be on the list. But she’s not your typical Gook. She has a nice ass, huge rack, and takes idiot math with coons. So as you can see not all stereotypes are true, though a lot are because I’m pretty sure she reeks of Wasabi sauce. You can also add to her list of uncharacteristic traits the fact that she hangs out with some of the ghettoest girls in the grade, not to mention the smelliest. But besides all that she’s The List’s only and best looking Asian and kudos for being the only Jr. to make [TEAM]

    42. Ms. Chokesondick: I don’t know who is dumber. [NAME] or her parents. Lets weigh it out. Her parents adopted a mud blooded wet back and tried to civilize her by giving her the last name [NAME] and also let her play a brutally dangerous sport. Then there is [NAME]. Thinking she can make a difference in the greatest sport ever invented. Not knowing the only time a women should be on the field is during half time doing theatrical dances or asking male players about the cold whether. Or how about for not knowing the simple fact the genital herpes last forever. Well I think [NAME] wins. The only logic I can think of for her pure stupidity is Syphilis. If Syphilis is not treated in its early stages it can lead to insanity. Add that with her already bipolar personality and you once again have Jack Nickelson in the movie “One Flew Over the Coo Coo’s nest”.

  27. #27 |  OBTC | 

    While I don’t care for what the boy wrote I am more concerned with the charge of Disorderly Conduct. The tortured and twisted rationale that resulted in the arrest/charge of this student, if allowed to stand, is a danger to us all. Not just the prison inmates, er students.

    Expulsion maybe – but juvenile court, no way.

  28. #28 |  BSK | 


    Wow. So besides from being a mysognist, it also seems like he’s a racist, classist, and many other things. Yikes. Yes, publish the list with his name and let him deal with the repercussions.