Dear IRS: This Is Why We Hate You

Tuesday, April 26th, 2011

So I never got around to updating you on my feud with the IRS. (See here, here, and here).

Quick summary to catch you up: Last year, the IRS rejected my tax return due to a “faulty Social Security number”. Apparently, someone else had also filed under my number. I then engaged in an increasingly frustrating series of letters and phone calls to try to get the damn thing straightened out. All on my own time, and at my own expense. But it wasn’t my mistake. The whole situation was complicated by the fact that I moved a couple weeks after filing, and no matter how many times I told them this, no matter how many times I asked them to change my address in their files, they kept sending all updates and notices to my old address.

After my last update, many of you suggested I call the IRS help line. I did. It was a really frustrating conversation. I explained the situation to the woman, who then replied, “Well what do you want me to do?”

I replied, “I’d like you to help me get my refund, and to get this corrected so I don’t have to go through it next year.”

To which she replied, “Oh, you’ll almost certainly have to go through it again next year.”

“Why?”

“Because if someone filed under your Social last year, they’ll probably use it again.”

“But that’s why I’m calling. Once I prove I’m the rightful person using that number, can’t they make a note to make sure that in the future, the return with my name on it is the only return they’ll accept under that Social Security number?”

“They can’t do that.”

“Why not?”

“Because they can’t.”

Pause, as I bite my lip.

“So what would you like me to do?”

“I want you to help me get my refund, and make sure I don’t have to go through this crap again next year.”

“Yes, but what do you specifically want me to do?”

“Well, I don’t know. I don’t know what you can do. I don’t know how the IRS works. Clearly they have my address wrong. I’d like them to change it. And I’d like them to make sure whoever filed under my number this year doesn’t do it again.”

“Yes, but what do you want me to do? You have to tell me specifically what actions you want me to take.”

“Again, how would I know that? You’re the taxpayer advocate. Aren’t you supposed to know that?”

These quotes are taken from memory. So they’re obviously approximate. But it went on like this, with me getting increasingly angry, she getting increasingly obstinate. I finally gave up. (I am proud to say I didn’t use a single, goddamned profanity during the entire conversation.)

A few days later, my refund came in the mail. It had been sent to my old address, of course. A former neighbor was kind of enough to forward it to me. Which means it had actually been sent before I called the taxpayer advocate. Yet it still wasn’t noted in whatever computer screen she was looking at. Or it was, and she didn’t tell me. This was last December. So it took eight months to get all of this straightened out. They also paid me about 15 dollars in interest.

A couple weeks later, I got another notice from the IRS. This one was sent directly to my new address. Hey, they got it right! What did it say? It was a reminder that on my 2010 return, under penalty of law, I am required to report and pay taxes on that 15 dollars I “earned” in interest while the federal government held my refund.

Here’s the punchline:  I just learned tonight that my 2010 return has again been rejected due to a “faulty Social Security number.”

Which I guess means I’ll now get to do this all over again.

If you’re looking for a bright side here, the “taxpayer advocate” did correctly warn me that the IRS would once again screw up this year. So if nothing else, I guess federal employees are at least pretty competent when it comes to predicting the incompetence of other federal employees.

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60 Responses to “Dear IRS: This Is Why We Hate You”

  1. #1 |  BamBam | 

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  2. #2 |  the innominate one | 

    The IRS incorrectly adjusted my return one year, with the result that I received a substantial refund in error. By the time I figured it out, I owed interest as well as the amount refunded. So, I have an inkling of your irritation, Radley.

  3. #3 |  Dan | 

    Radley, time to contact the office of one (or both) of your senators. They have staffers that are tasked to help with constituent IRS issues. I had a similarly unique problem with the IRS that involved a refund. Despite two years worth of letters and phone calls, including a personal visit to the office of the Tax Advocate in my state, nothing worked. I finally scheduled a visit to the office of one of my senators and within a month the problem was resolved.

  4. #4 |  DLS | 

    And nobody in the government is the least bit concerned that someone is fraudulently borrowing your SSN. (It occurs to me that you ought to check your credit reports periodically.)

  5. #5 |  madchemist | 

    the innominate one, had that happen to me also, although the refund was correct, but the letter stated that I’d owe interest from the date the check was written, which was at least 2 weeks before I recieved it.

    On another occasion we had a “letter audit” and they questioned a child care deduction(long story but they were wrong), after about 6 requests for information, where I just redated my original letter, I finally called them early in the day and actually talked to the person reviewing the return. I explained again and she said, well of course you don’t owe anything-just put in it writing and we’re done. I informed her I had, so she read the letters and said OH your right. I asked her if we were done, but she said no, I had to resond to the last letter from them.

  6. #6 |  Radley Balko | 

    I do check my credit regularly. No problems from this thus far.

    So I’m pretty sure this is just a case of an undocumented immigrant using my SSN to get a job.

    Which of course is another problem created by a dumb, unrealistic, government policy.

  7. #7 |  Difster | 

    You know, if IRS employees can continue to predict the incompetence of other IRS employees in the future then the infinite regression could go back and destroy the IRS from the very foundations as if it had never existed!

  8. #8 |  Anthony | 

    Dan, its still bullshit that it took a month after getting congress involved. If a company treated me half as badly as Radley I’d never do business with them again. But then again, most businesses don’t have guns.

  9. #9 |  Vinnie | 

    Just send a statement that ALL refunds for this number go the this address, call and tell the drones the same thing(do this from a state that it is legal to record that conversation, Idaho is good) And get the refund of anybody that is using your SSN

  10. #10 |  Aaron | 

    Vinnie is right. You can request copies of electronic W-2s, so whoever this other guy is, there’s got to be at least one or two. You can use those on your own forms to claim his refund as well. Think of it as payment for him screwing you. :)

    Can’t think of a way to turn this into payment for the IRS screwing you, but if I could, it would probably help all of us…

  11. #11 |  Nando | 

    I like the idea of contacting your senator. The IRS usually jumps through hoops when a senator is involved. If you don’t want to go that far, try contacting an Ombudsman and see if that helps.

    One thing I don’t understand is why the IRS can’t just mail you a form with all your financial info already on it (everyone that sends you a W2, 1099, etc. sends a copy to the IRS, so they have the info). They can compile the info and send you a filled-out 1040EZ or 1040A that only needs your signature if you accept (or you can file a “corrected” version in order to claim deductions/credits/etc.). It would make filing your taxes much simpler.

  12. #12 |  Dave Krueger | 

    I’ve heard that most IRS employees are those who couldn’t qualify as cops. While they have the same intellectual deficit and the same highly sought-after sense of holding ordinary citizens in utter contempt, they don’t have the aggressive disposition required to impose actual physical abuse upon them.

  13. #13 |  Dan | 

    @Anthony – bullshit does not adequately describe what we had to go through for a resolution. After a point, you are satisfied to have someone with an IQ over 70 to speak with.

  14. #14 |  Dave Krueger | 

    Hopefully that other guy doesn’t commit any felonies or next year they will finally get your address all straightened out and come to your new home and arrest your ass. I’ve heard that it can be a real nightmare trying to prove they have the wrong guy from inside a jail cell. As we all know, if there’s one trick cops don’t fall for, it’s telling them they made a mistake.

  15. #15 |  Mo | 

    “One thing I don’t understand is why the IRS can’t just mail you a form with all your financial info already on it (everyone that sends you a W2, 1099, etc. sends a copy to the IRS, so they have the info). They can compile the info and send you a filled-out 1040EZ or 1040A that only needs your signature if you accept (or you can file a “corrected” version in order to claim deductions/credits/etc.). It would make filing your taxes much simpler.”

    Nando,

    They can. However, there has been much lobbying from Intuit, H&R Block and the refund lenders to prevent it from happening. Also, Republicans have been blocking it to keep tax paying as much as a PITA as possible in order to keep anger at taxes high. They have a point. If taxes were a quarterly or annual check, people would be really pissed.

    In CA it took years to get the California state tax forms filled out in advance.

  16. #16 |  Dan | 

    @DK – it’s worse than that. The attorney we employed to help solve our issue worked for the IRS. He said that the IRS screens prospective employees to preset personality profiles and ranges on the IQ of the people they hire for specific positions. When he first told me that I thought it was part of the “why hire me” rhetoric. After two years of dealing with them, I have zero doubt this is true.

    After all.. we wouldn’t want an individual who was smart, capable of self-direction and empowered to make rational decisions to collect taxes.

    In my situation I paraphrase (quote) one IRS employee “I am sorry Dan, though you are right that your refund was processed incorrectly, and you never received it, you still owe the additional tax and penalties on the amount you did not receive.”

  17. #17 |  johnl | 

    Agree with everyone who says to write your Senator or even Congressman. Disagree with your theory that the other guy with your SSN is using it for immigration reasons. This is something you should ask about. Is the other guy just contributing taxes and W2s? Cause that’s your idea. But it makes no sense for them to reject your return in that case, so you have a story. Or is he sending in a return, on January 1st? Because that makes sense for the IRS not to then accept your return, but would be atypical behavior for an illegal immigrant, so the DOJ should reallocate resources from the Bonds case.

  18. #18 |  EH | 

    If you happen to hit a brick wall on the phone with any of these people, be sure to try the words, “can you spell your name for me?”

  19. #19 |  Stormy Dragon | 

    My IRS story from this year:

    In 2008, I bought my first home, as a result of which I claimed the First Time Homebuyers Credit. Now unlike the 2009 and 2010 FTHBC, this was a true credit, as it had to be repayed over 15 years starting with the 2010 return.

    Now you’d think with a whole three years to get ready the IRS would have been ready to receive these repayments. They updated the forms to account for it, but for some reason never updated the computers to accept the new form. Which means for the 900,000+ people who had to start repaying this credit, the IRS computer would not accept their return to processing.

    The IRS’s solution to this was to send all of the returns involved to the error department (because if something is going wrong at the IRS, it must be because the taxpayer screwed something up).

    It took me 10 weeks to get my refund, and there’s still people waiting for theirs. The IRS is saying it may be into June before they finish working through all of these returns because apparently they’re having to do them all manually.

  20. #20 |  V | 

    I don’t normally ever say things like this, but that phone operator sounded like one of the many caricatures in Atlas Shrugged.

  21. #21 |  Jim Fryar | 

    V, I think it is more like conversing with a Vogon.

  22. #22 |  Greg C. | 

    I’m going through something now with my state taxes. They seized my state refund to offset something that I already paid. I found out they applied my payment to another person’s account, which the state Attorney General’s office admitted on the phone. Since the date I paid the money I owed in full, they added an extra $600 to the bill and sent the thing to collections ( after it was paid and they dinged my credit). When I thought I got it “fixed” the guy then informed me that it didn’t “take care” of the account because my payment was less than the full amount. So they could only credit it against the balance. Of course the new balance that they made up resulted from them applying my payment to another account. The account number is clearly on the check, and I have a unique name. The canceled check was dated as processed 10 days after the bill was postmarked.

    I told the guy I wasn’t going accept being charged penalties because they did not credit the payment of my check when it was cashed a long time ago. I told him I needed it taken care of and he basically told me to keep copies of everything for when I have future problems with this issue. I am pretty sure 2 or 3 parties have violated federal law in my case, but am I really going to need to sue the state over this BS? What really makes me angry is the agency committing these crimes is the agency that presumably handles the complaints against other businesses that do these things. Am I going to file a complaint with them that is against them?

  23. #23 |  warren_piece | 

    i remember the first time my wife and i had foster children. we had them for 11 months of the year and, when i (rightly) claimed them as a dependent, i was sent a letter. “one or more of the ssnumbers provided has been used”. okay. wow…i better get this straightened out (i thought). i call up the good ol irsofa and tell them what happened. lady says “and what did your letter say”. i told her. she says, “okay, well just resubmit and you’ll be fine.” “what…what do i need to do to prove that what i say is true?” “oh, nothing.” “so, what does this letter mean?” “nothing, the computer just sends it out, id doesnt really mean anything.” wow..good to know.

  24. #24 |  Joey Maloney | 

    Second/third/fourthing the recommendation to contact the offices of your Senators or your US Rep. Granted that living where you do, your Senators are tits-on-a-bull-useless, politically, but that doesn’t mean they won’t or can’t help. Mostly they like stuff like this because it’s an easy way to make a constituent happy with no downside.

  25. #25 |  Bernard | 

    I still see this as the source of a devastatingly effective civil disobedience campaign. Filing a few hundred thousand or more tax returns under different social security numbers would probably clog up the whole system and likely snare some important people.

  26. #26 |  DPirate | 

    I had to deal with the IRS a couple years ago (and actually have to do so again now), and I found them quite helpful. Maybe you got someone having a bad day, or someone who just wants all their work to disappear.

    @nando and mo:

    You can just dump your employer tax receipts in an envelope with a tax form and sent it to them and they will file for you (the IRS). Nothing is actually required from you other than a stamp, if that, and maybe a signature. Of course, if they make a mistake, or if you plan to itemize, then good luck. But no one is required to fill out their own EZ form, or at least that is what I’ve read in the booklet.

  27. #27 |  Kolohe | 

    One more agreement for contacting your congressman and/or senator. My mother had IRS problems for over a year after my father passed away, (with getting backup withholding lifted so the accounts could be transfered) but a call to the congressman’s office got it cleared up within a few weeks.

  28. #28 |  Bob | 

    Next year file as soon as you possibly can. Then it will be ‘your’ SSN, let the other guy prove who he is for a change.

    The problem here is if 5 people walk up and say “I’m Joe Schmoe, I live at X address. This is my SSN” How can you pick the right one? The one with the least forged looking Birth Certificate? You can’t prove over the phone that you’re who you say you are.

    What if the IRS said “No problem! We’ll get that fixed right up!”? They would have to do that for the other guy using your SSN, too.

    This problem is not solvable outside of branding you with Laser Scan or having your DNA on file or something.

    The only practical way to approach this is for the IRS to be as obstinate as possible. It sounds twisted, but that’s how the Human Race works.

    An Obstinate IRS or be branded by Laser Scan. Choose.

  29. #29 |  Robert | 

    And if all else fails, I’ve heard that there is a procedure to officially change your SSN.

  30. #30 |  C. S. P. Schofield | 

    Bob,

    I like to think outside the box, so I have a third possibility; Have the government shrink to the point that it can be paid for without having to have a mindless, grinding, bureaucracy to squeeze every last penny out of a reluctant public.

    Get it to the point that the question isn’t “Has everybody been scr*wed equally?”, but “Did we get enough to cover expenses without annoying the taxpayers?”

    I know; very unlikely. But a better goal to work toward.

  31. #31 |  The Tax Man | 

    Your friendly neighborhood tax lawyer here. Unfortunately, this sort of thing is not altogether uncommon, for both individuals and businesses. There are actually some smart and helpful people working at the IRS, but they do seem to keep these people locked in a bunker under a mountain somewhere – if you’re lucky enough to get one on the phone, they can make a world of difference though.

    Not sure if you just called into the regular 1040 help-line or not, but the general help-lines the IRS provides numbers for are mostly worthless. The people answering the phones can tell you pretty much what you’d find in IRS publications and instructions to forms, but not much more than that. Plus, if you call the number three times in a row, chances are you’ll get a different answer every time you call. I can’t say that trying to get help from a senator or representative is a bad idea, but I wouldn’t expect to get a lot of traction with that. I am not sure that those guys sit around waiting for opportunities to help their constituents, at least not ones who don’t bring big sacks of cash with them.

    Anyway, try the Taxpayer Advocate if you haven’t already. They are part of the IRS but don’t have the same institutional mindset that you get from line IRS people. Other than just getting lucky by finding a sympathetic person elsewhere within the organization, the Taxpayer Advocate has been the most consistently helpful resource I’ve found.

  32. #32 |  Joey Maloney | 

    ” Have the government shrink to the point that it can be paid for without having to have a mindless, grinding, bureaucracy to squeeze every last penny out of a reluctant public.”

    Absolutely. We should turn the job of squeezing every last penny out of a reluctant public over to private industry, who will doubtless prove much more efficient at it in the absence of government interference.

  33. #33 |  Mike T | 

    I like to think outside the box, so I have a third possibility; Have the government shrink to the point that it can be paid for without having to have a mindless, grinding, bureaucracy to squeeze every last penny out of a reluctant public.

    The same public that complains about the IRS by and large wants all of the programs that need the IRS to behave the way it does.

    If you want to fix that, then Republicans need to have the IRS go after the 50% that don’t pay taxes. We need a 2-3 year period in which the IRS ramps up its audit count by 500% and then overwhelmingly targets that segment of the population that pays little or nothing and gets the goods.

  34. #34 |  Radley Balko | 

    Bob —

    I don’t buy it. After eight months, they were able to confirm my identity last year. Five months later, they have to do it all over again? Is it too much to ask for a little institutional memory? Why is it so difficult for them to make a note in their system say that my name goes with my SSN, and that if someone by another name files under the same SSN–whether I have filed yet for that year or not, that return is to be rejected?

    Also, why aren’t they already working with the Social Security Administration to make sure the SSNs on tax returns match up with the correct names? It doesn’t seem like this would be at all difficult to do.

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  36. #36 |  Brian | 

    For future reference, the correct answer to the question, “What would you like me to do?” is: “Pull your head out of your ass so you’re at least comfortable while you sit there doing absolutely nothing.”

  37. #37 |  Mannie | 

    If you want to get REALLY frustrated, deal with INS. These are people who washed out as concentration camp guards, because they were too mean. You are absolutely powerless against them, and they know it. They won’t be fired or even spoken to sharply, and they know it. They don’t have to care. Pee on you if you can’t take a joke.

    Why is it so difficult for them to …

    Also, why aren’t they already working …

    Because they don’t have to. Pee on you if you can’t take a joke. Shut up and eat your cake.

    I’m coming to the conclusion that the only way to reform some of the gummint agencies, is with Stalinist purges. Hang ‘em all and start from scratch.

  38. #38 |  Marty | 

    I have a learned hatred of the IRS, also. I had 2 different accountants and quicken get very different results… It’s insane how the numbers are manipulated and how little I understand about what’s happening. Every spring, I used to feel like I’ve been dropped off at a Scandinavian library to do research. I’ve never felt so dumb as I do trying to figure out rental properties, good and bad investments, kids, medical expenses…
    I just drop my stuff off at the accountant’s and hope. I absolutely understand your frustration.

  39. #39 |  Maria | 

    @Tax Man: My experience has been that they are in fact reading directly from either the IRS website or the booklets. I’ve finished off their sentences as a way to move things along past the gate and get to a point in the script where they can, you know, give me thoughtful advice on my (rather simple) tax matters. (ha ha. I know.)

    That point never ever happens. If we replaced these help lines with Watson, I suspect the taxpayer would get a richer and more productive help session. Or at least some thing with a sense of humor.

  40. #40 |  random_guy | 

    Maybe it has to do institutional inertia, government employees tend to be lifers so it would be safe to estimate that most of the IRS employees are baby boomers. The institution sticks with the technology and systems they are knowledgeable of. They would rather have some half-assed automation that sends you dozens of redundant letters than train their people to actually resolve issues.

    Honestly this whole system should have been converted to all digital at least 5 years ago. I understand the need for physical copies, but that is what printers are for. A digital system would easily allow for notes and addendum on cases like Radley’s to be added. Names, SSN, history of addresses, contacts, and past fillings could all be linked together effortlessly.

    The system itself could be maintained on a private server, with no internet connection, and be just as secure as any filling system the IRS has in place, perhaps more so. But digital copies of your records could be uploaded to an IRS website at the same time as they are loaded into the secure server. You could have up to date records of all your tax info available whenever you need it.

    There is no reason it should take months, sometimes years, to resolve issues like this. Especially not in the digital age. The information the IRS collects comes up annually or quarterly, a snails pace by today’s standards. Give the logistics guys from a company like UPS three months, and they’ll have an ironclad system a monkey could operate. “Oh you need information on 200 million households and businesses tracked and synchronized? We process twice that many deliveries in a month.”

  41. #41 |  Cyto | 

    #34 | Radley Balko | April 27th, 2011 at 9:26 am

    Hey, at least it has only been twice for you. My graduate fellowship made their computers spit out my return and demand extra cash – even though I followed the perfectly matching example from the IRS publications to the letter. It took 3 years of wrangling with the IRS to get that one straightened out. A few months later I got the notice about the next year of my fellowship. Your “how can we avoid this next year” conversation is remarkably familiar. 5 months into the 3rd year fellowship’s return odyssey I gave up and let them have their $440. The first time in my life I went with practicality over principle. That was the day my idealism began to die. Before that day I was known to fight over a nickel that I didn’t owe.

    The idealism is still there, but it definitely isn’t what it used to be. I probably had well over 1,000 hours in getting the first $440 mistake fixed. Too bad I wasn’t in show business….. that was about the same time that the IRS wrote off $30 million for Willie Nelson. That’s when I realized that the bureaucrats are more pragmatic about collecting the money than anything else. In my case they knew they stood a good chance of getting my small amount of cash even though they were wrong – so they fought to keep it. In Willie’s case they knew they’d likely never see most of that money, so they settled and took what they could get, even though he was wrong and they were right.

  42. #42 |  Brandon | 

    #33, first of all, no they don’t. The public at large is willing to make cuts in government spending. Secondly, the 47% who don’t pay federal income taxes is a feature, not a bug, so ramping up IRS audits would be pointless if that is the problem you are trying to address.

  43. #43 |  Abe Froman | 

    As I was reading your description of the conversation with the IRS advocate I pictured her as “Rebecca DeMornay” in the Seinfeld episode “The Muffin Tops”.

  44. #44 |  Curt | 

    @ Radley

    Better be careful with all that complaining. If the IRS uses the same policies as the folks at TSA/HLS, they will have flagged you for further review because you “display arrogance and verbally express contempt for (their) procedure”. You’ll probably be audited to make sure you aren’t a financial terrorist.

    At least you can rest assured they’ll get the right address when they come looking for you.

  45. #45 |  Mike T | 

    Secondly, the 47% who don’t pay federal income taxes is a feature, not a bug,

    And here we have, on display, a good example of what passes for libertarian strategic thinking…

    It doesn’t seem to occur to you that those who have no skin in the game might not give a damn how the referee calls the shots.

  46. #46 |  phlinn | 

    @Stormy Dragon, #19
    I had the same repayment, but didn’t have any issues. However, I used H&R block’s free efile program (they charge for the state return…) and still had a net federal refund. I also filed later than you did. Any of those could have made a difference. What’s sad is I never did get around to using the credit for anything except sitting around earning interest. I felt a little guilty about claiming it in the first place.

  47. #47 |  M. Steve | 

    @45 Mike T

    It’s not *just* that they don’t give a damn, it’s that they are actively rooting for the referee to screw us. After all, if you pay taxes, that means you have an above average salary, which makes you rich, doncha know.

    Sure glad my $X,000 is going to help fund this nonsense. I would have only wasted it, anyway.

  48. #48 |  donald | 

    When she stated “you have to tell me what action to take” I don’t think I’d be able to resist saying “OK, go home and gather your family in the living room, put a shotgun in your mouth and pull the fucking trigger”

  49. #49 |  Reggie Hubbard | 

    The quality of the last sentences in your posts rivals every other writer I know.

    Another gem. Sorry you’ll have to put up with the bullshit again. I think you should document your time and send them an invoice for their incompetency.

  50. #50 |  Joe Mastriano CPA | 

    I’ve heard of stories like this many times. The IRS needs to find a better way to help those who have had their social security number compromised. Its only fair for the person with the legal ss number to obtain their money as soon as possible. It’s not their fault that some one is willing to go around stealing peoples identity.

    Tax Problem

  51. #51 |  Cyto | 

    I’m not following the bit about 47% not paying taxes being a good thing…. having such a large percentage of the electorate with no skin in the game is a manifestly horrible thing IMHO…

  52. #52 |  spiro | 

    @Radley,

    What’s keeping you from putting as many exceptions on your W-4 as possible, and NOT paying any taxes next year?
    If they already have another guy paying taxes with your SSN, aren’t you more or less off the IRS radar. Do you even exist anymore?
    This would be even easier if you are independently employed. Then, I just wouldn’t file at all, and see what happens……
    After all, they only gave you the wrong SSN bull AFTER you sent them a tax filing.

  53. #53 |  C. S. P. Schofield | 

    Tax Man;

    Every Senator has a sizable staff for doing constituent work. They know from long experience that the Senator that doesn’t is a Senator likely to have a bunch of free time on his hands after the next election. This is the kind of thing that they LOVE to help with; it is well within their power and there is no actual down side…..nobody is going to vote against them because they pulled the IRS up short. It isn’t like getting a green card for somebody’s cousin, that could get spun against them.

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  55. #55 |  Al | 

    Dear blogger,

    Your problem is that you’re calling the wrong people. The people you really need to be calling is the Social Security Administration to get your number changed. IRS employees are shackled from inspecting your prior returns unless you’re being audited due to understandably strict privacy rules, and besides, do you really want that happening? Once your return reaches legal scrutiny, your return is being reviewed by people who are paid to care about how much they can collect from you.

    Sincerely, former tax attorney

  56. #56 |  solinox | 

    A friend of mine has suggested that you contact the Social Security Administration about getting a new number. It might be less hassle than continuing to deal with the IRS over this number.

  57. #57 |  Frustrated with the IRS | 

    Bottom line is some of them are incompetent and idiots. Apparently, the IRS hate to admit when they are WRONG and want to send honest folks through the ringer, but give the criminals all the breaks (remember hearing about the tax refunds sent to prisoners). Go figure.

  58. #58 |  John C. Randolph | 

    REFUND?

    Radley, why in the world are you giving the greatest deadbeat of all time an unsecured loan? Never let them withhold one penny more than you have to.

    -jcr

  59. #59 |  Tash | 

    What has always been a bug up my butt is that ssi starts estimating your benefits from when you turn 18. Come on please! Where is all the cash that was taken out at 15, 16,17 on our part time,after school or summer jobs go. Or for those of us who had to start working to support ourselves before 18 years of age?
    Some fat rat is leaning back in his government issued office chair smoking a stoggy think “man I sure no one figures this one out and saved pay slips 40 some years back”

  60. #60 |  “Did you Google this or anything?” | The Agitator | 

    [...] It’s August 18th, and I still haven’t received my 2010 federal income tax refund.) Digg it |  reddit |  del.icio.us |  [...]

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