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	<title>Comments on: Judge Denies Relief to Pennsylvania Man Convicted on Bogus Bite Mark Testimony</title>
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		<title>By: JR Harris</title>
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		<dc:creator>JR Harris</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 27 May 2011 12:48:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[The amount of damage done by these Pennsylvania Judges is immeasurable. This site is actively following the case if you would like to read more about it.

http://stinkin-thinkin.com/2011/03/01/face-of-damage-done-by-rehab-corruption/]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The amount of damage done by these Pennsylvania Judges is immeasurable. This site is actively following the case if you would like to read more about it.</p>
<p><a href="http://stinkin-thinkin.com/2011/03/01/face-of-damage-done-by-rehab-corruption/" rel="nofollow">http://stinkin-thinkin.com/2011/03/01/face-of-damage-done-by-rehab-corruption/</a></p>
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		<title>By: pam</title>
		<link>http://www.theagitator.com/2011/04/25/judge-denies-relief-to-pennsylvania-man-convicted-on-bogus-bite-mark-testimony/comment-page-1/#comment-906787</link>
		<dc:creator>pam</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 26 Apr 2011 14:00:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[&quot;Pa. judges accused of jailing kids for cash. 
Judges allegedly took $2.6 million in payoffs to put juveniles in lockups&quot;

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/29142654/ns/us_news-crime_and_courts/ 

(Pennsylvania judges have so much credibility...)]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;Pa. judges accused of jailing kids for cash.<br />
Judges allegedly took $2.6 million in payoffs to put juveniles in lockups&#8221;</p>
<p><a href="http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/29142654/ns/us_news-crime_and_courts/" rel="nofollow">http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/29142654/ns/us_news-crime_and_courts/</a> </p>
<p>(Pennsylvania judges have so much credibility&#8230;)</p>
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		<title>By: BamBam</title>
		<link>http://www.theagitator.com/2011/04/25/judge-denies-relief-to-pennsylvania-man-convicted-on-bogus-bite-mark-testimony/comment-page-1/#comment-904535</link>
		<dc:creator>BamBam</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 26 Apr 2011 05:47:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[@12 start calling things for what they truly are to send a stronger message to those you communicate with in everyday life.

public school = government school (government run education whose goal is definitely not purely scholarly education, paid for by taxes regardless of one having children in attendance)
justice system = pseudo legal system (justice is not the goal)]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@12 start calling things for what they truly are to send a stronger message to those you communicate with in everyday life.</p>
<p>public school = government school (government run education whose goal is definitely not purely scholarly education, paid for by taxes regardless of one having children in attendance)<br />
justice system = pseudo legal system (justice is not the goal)</p>
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		<title>By: adam</title>
		<link>http://www.theagitator.com/2011/04/25/judge-denies-relief-to-pennsylvania-man-convicted-on-bogus-bite-mark-testimony/comment-page-1/#comment-904238</link>
		<dc:creator>adam</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 26 Apr 2011 04:20:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Here is a really disturbing article about the New Orleans PD.  Apparently, there are 2 former cops on death row.

http://www.newstatesman.com/north-america/2011/04/orleans-city-jail-police]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Here is a really disturbing article about the New Orleans PD.  Apparently, there are 2 former cops on death row.</p>
<p><a href="http://www.newstatesman.com/north-america/2011/04/orleans-city-jail-police" rel="nofollow">http://www.newstatesman.com/north-america/2011/04/orleans-city-jail-police</a></p>
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		<title>By: Buc</title>
		<link>http://www.theagitator.com/2011/04/25/judge-denies-relief-to-pennsylvania-man-convicted-on-bogus-bite-mark-testimony/comment-page-1/#comment-904154</link>
		<dc:creator>Buc</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 26 Apr 2011 03:51:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Man, that&#039;s hard to read.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Man, that&#8217;s hard to read.</p>
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		<title>By: Greg</title>
		<link>http://www.theagitator.com/2011/04/25/judge-denies-relief-to-pennsylvania-man-convicted-on-bogus-bite-mark-testimony/comment-page-1/#comment-903524</link>
		<dc:creator>Greg</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 26 Apr 2011 01:05:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[What, nobody with a McGruff joke? 

Nobody?]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>What, nobody with a McGruff joke? </p>
<p>Nobody?</p>
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		<title>By: MIkeS</title>
		<link>http://www.theagitator.com/2011/04/25/judge-denies-relief-to-pennsylvania-man-convicted-on-bogus-bite-mark-testimony/comment-page-1/#comment-903462</link>
		<dc:creator>MIkeS</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 26 Apr 2011 00:56:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[What an utterly disgraceful decision.  If she keeps bending over backwards to help prosecutors like this, she&#039;ll end up where all subservient justice end up -- the federal appeals courts.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>What an utterly disgraceful decision.  If she keeps bending over backwards to help prosecutors like this, she&#8217;ll end up where all subservient justice end up &#8212; the federal appeals courts.</p>
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		<title>By: Jack</title>
		<link>http://www.theagitator.com/2011/04/25/judge-denies-relief-to-pennsylvania-man-convicted-on-bogus-bite-mark-testimony/comment-page-1/#comment-903252</link>
		<dc:creator>Jack</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 26 Apr 2011 00:17:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Do we have an email address for the esteemed Judge?]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Do we have an email address for the esteemed Judge?</p>
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		<title>By: Whim</title>
		<link>http://www.theagitator.com/2011/04/25/judge-denies-relief-to-pennsylvania-man-convicted-on-bogus-bite-mark-testimony/comment-page-1/#comment-903038</link>
		<dc:creator>Whim</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 25 Apr 2011 23:29:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[The Fells Acre Massachusetts Day Care convictions for serial child abuse introduced to me a legal concept that the Massachusetts Supreme Court adhered to called:

Finality.

Even though mountains of new and exculpatory evidence was introduced post-conviction, no relief was ever given to Gerald Amirault, who served his entire sentence without early parole or pardon.  

The Massachusetts SUCO decision in one matter used the legal basis of FINALITY to deny an action sought by the defendant.

Kind of sounds like the same thing happening in PA....]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The Fells Acre Massachusetts Day Care convictions for serial child abuse introduced to me a legal concept that the Massachusetts Supreme Court adhered to called:</p>
<p>Finality.</p>
<p>Even though mountains of new and exculpatory evidence was introduced post-conviction, no relief was ever given to Gerald Amirault, who served his entire sentence without early parole or pardon.  </p>
<p>The Massachusetts SUCO decision in one matter used the legal basis of FINALITY to deny an action sought by the defendant.</p>
<p>Kind of sounds like the same thing happening in PA&#8230;.</p>
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		<title>By: C. S. P. Schofield</title>
		<link>http://www.theagitator.com/2011/04/25/judge-denies-relief-to-pennsylvania-man-convicted-on-bogus-bite-mark-testimony/comment-page-1/#comment-902920</link>
		<dc:creator>C. S. P. Schofield</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 25 Apr 2011 23:08:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I am reminded of the story (with what basis, I know not) that one of the Judges of the notorious New England Witch Trials later became convinced that the evidence that he had sincerely believed was wrong .... and hung himself in grief and remorse.

Pity that sentiment is not more common.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I am reminded of the story (with what basis, I know not) that one of the Judges of the notorious New England Witch Trials later became convinced that the evidence that he had sincerely believed was wrong &#8230;. and hung himself in grief and remorse.</p>
<p>Pity that sentiment is not more common.</p>
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		<title>By: croaker</title>
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		<dc:creator>croaker</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 25 Apr 2011 22:20:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[@8 It would be a climb up if we got the respect of a trouble ticket.

@13 Retention is not the answer.  Impeachment is.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@8 It would be a climb up if we got the respect of a trouble ticket.</p>
<p>@13 Retention is not the answer.  Impeachment is.</p>
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		<title>By: EH</title>
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		<dc:creator>EH</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 25 Apr 2011 21:56:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[This ham sandwich has been bitten into!]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This ham sandwich has been bitten into!</p>
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		<title>By: Curt</title>
		<link>http://www.theagitator.com/2011/04/25/judge-denies-relief-to-pennsylvania-man-convicted-on-bogus-bite-mark-testimony/comment-page-1/#comment-902574</link>
		<dc:creator>Curt</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 25 Apr 2011 21:44:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[@ #3...  

The majority of prosecutors are satisfied that any piece of evidence they present can demonstrate sufficient proof for conviction.

If a prosecutor presents evidence then obviously it&#039;s sufficient proof to convict.  Prosecutors are the subject-matter-experts on prosecuting people so who could possibly challenge their expertise.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@ #3&#8230;  </p>
<p>The majority of prosecutors are satisfied that any piece of evidence they present can demonstrate sufficient proof for conviction.</p>
<p>If a prosecutor presents evidence then obviously it&#8217;s sufficient proof to convict.  Prosecutors are the subject-matter-experts on prosecuting people so who could possibly challenge their expertise.</p>
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		<title>By: EH</title>
		<link>http://www.theagitator.com/2011/04/25/judge-denies-relief-to-pennsylvania-man-convicted-on-bogus-bite-mark-testimony/comment-page-1/#comment-902529</link>
		<dc:creator>EH</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 25 Apr 2011 21:30:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[&quot;We can&#039;t do that, on account of it&#039;ll make us look bad!&quot;]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;We can&#8217;t do that, on account of it&#8217;ll make us look bad!&#8221;</p>
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		<title>By: Kevin</title>
		<link>http://www.theagitator.com/2011/04/25/judge-denies-relief-to-pennsylvania-man-convicted-on-bogus-bite-mark-testimony/comment-page-1/#comment-902473</link>
		<dc:creator>Kevin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 25 Apr 2011 21:17:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[It is on appeal. http://ujsportal.pacourts.us/DocketSheets/Appellate.aspx

Pennsylvania&#039;s post conviction relief statute is one of the strictest. The 60 days time limit is almost impossible to meet. Especially if you are an inmate. Even one of the senators who drafted the law say the courts are reading it too strictly. 

http://www.philly.com/philly/news/20110424_Cleared_by_accusers__kept_jailed_by_Pa__law.html?viewAll=y

The innocent have it tough in Pennsylvania.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It is on appeal. <a href="http://ujsportal.pacourts.us/DocketSheets/Appellate.aspx" rel="nofollow">http://ujsportal.pacourts.us/DocketSheets/Appellate.aspx</a></p>
<p>Pennsylvania&#8217;s post conviction relief statute is one of the strictest. The 60 days time limit is almost impossible to meet. Especially if you are an inmate. Even one of the senators who drafted the law say the courts are reading it too strictly. </p>
<p><a href="http://www.philly.com/philly/news/20110424_Cleared_by_accusers__kept_jailed_by_Pa__law.html?viewAll=y" rel="nofollow">http://www.philly.com/philly/news/20110424_Cleared_by_accusers__kept_jailed_by_Pa__law.html?viewAll=y</a></p>
<p>The innocent have it tough in Pennsylvania.</p>
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		<title>By: EH</title>
		<link>http://www.theagitator.com/2011/04/25/judge-denies-relief-to-pennsylvania-man-convicted-on-bogus-bite-mark-testimony/comment-page-1/#comment-902365</link>
		<dc:creator>EH</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 25 Apr 2011 20:45:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Incredible legal-yoga from the judge, she&#039;s licking her own heels on this one!]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Incredible legal-yoga from the judge, she&#8217;s licking her own heels on this one!</p>
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		<title>By: Jim Collins</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jim Collins</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 25 Apr 2011 20:37:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Ever seen a Martian, Otto?  Tin foil hats WORK!

The Judge can&#039;t be seen going easy on crime, better to error on the safe side and leave him locked up.

It&#039;s a damn shame that bimbo isn&#039;t up for retention until 2017.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ever seen a Martian, Otto?  Tin foil hats WORK!</p>
<p>The Judge can&#8217;t be seen going easy on crime, better to error on the safe side and leave him locked up.</p>
<p>It&#8217;s a damn shame that bimbo isn&#8217;t up for retention until 2017.</p>
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		<title>By: Steve Verdon</title>
		<link>http://www.theagitator.com/2011/04/25/judge-denies-relief-to-pennsylvania-man-convicted-on-bogus-bite-mark-testimony/comment-page-1/#comment-902222</link>
		<dc:creator>Steve Verdon</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 25 Apr 2011 20:09:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[&lt;blockquote&gt;The NAS report was a synthesis of research across nearly every forensic discipline. It was a landmark report, commissioned by Congress in response to the rash of DNA exonerations. The cruel conundrum here is that when other people convicted on bite mark testimony have filed for relief and cited the publication of an article in a narrowly-read scientific journal (also like Eddie Lee Howard in Mississippi), they’ve been denied on the argument that a peer-reviewed article here and there isn’t enough of a scientific consensus to overturn a jury verdict, especially if you already challenged the state’s bite mark expert at trial. If Kunco had filed shortly after that first journal article disputing bite mark evidence was published, and had he lost, in most states he would then be barred from making additional post-conviction claims on the same topic, even if more articles then came out showing a consensus that he was right.&lt;/blockquote&gt;

Too long; didn&#039;t read version:

If you cite the original research it isn&#039;t sufficient, but if you wait to cite the scientific consensus it is too late.  Your fucked if you do and fucked if you don&#039;t.

Our criminal justice system is a complete joke and judges like Hathaway are evil, not in the Hannibal Lecter sense, but in a banal everyday sort of sense that allows this kind of thing to go on.  It doesn&#039;t hurt me so why should I care?]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>The NAS report was a synthesis of research across nearly every forensic discipline. It was a landmark report, commissioned by Congress in response to the rash of DNA exonerations. The cruel conundrum here is that when other people convicted on bite mark testimony have filed for relief and cited the publication of an article in a narrowly-read scientific journal (also like Eddie Lee Howard in Mississippi), they’ve been denied on the argument that a peer-reviewed article here and there isn’t enough of a scientific consensus to overturn a jury verdict, especially if you already challenged the state’s bite mark expert at trial. If Kunco had filed shortly after that first journal article disputing bite mark evidence was published, and had he lost, in most states he would then be barred from making additional post-conviction claims on the same topic, even if more articles then came out showing a consensus that he was right.</p></blockquote>
<p>Too long; didn&#8217;t read version:</p>
<p>If you cite the original research it isn&#8217;t sufficient, but if you wait to cite the scientific consensus it is too late.  Your fucked if you do and fucked if you don&#8217;t.</p>
<p>Our criminal justice system is a complete joke and judges like Hathaway are evil, not in the Hannibal Lecter sense, but in a banal everyday sort of sense that allows this kind of thing to go on.  It doesn&#8217;t hurt me so why should I care?</p>
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		<title>By: SJE</title>
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		<dc:creator>SJE</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 25 Apr 2011 20:00:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I would argue that the evidence did not become available until the report came out: until then, it was merely data of uncertain scientific validity.  The decision of the National Academies transforms a body of data into a scientific consensus sufficient to challenge the bite mark analysts.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I would argue that the evidence did not become available until the report came out: until then, it was merely data of uncertain scientific validity.  The decision of the National Academies transforms a body of data into a scientific consensus sufficient to challenge the bite mark analysts.</p>
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		<title>By: Marty</title>
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		<dc:creator>Marty</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 25 Apr 2011 19:53:37 +0000</pubDate>
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