What Does It Take for a Police Officer To Get Fired?

Monday, March 28th, 2011

Apparently, lifting a seizing seven-year-old by the throat isn’t quite enough.

Allison said her son, who is a special needs student at Stevenson, suffers from seizures that cause him to scream and act much like a 2-year-old throwing a tantrum. He had such a seizure on Dec. 21 and was with the school psychologist waiting for his dad to pick him up and take him home.

Lorraine Allison said the psychologist had her son in a restraining hold, which is common practice.

[Bloomington, Illinois, police officer Scott] Oglesby became involved after he went to the school after hearing of an unrelated incident involving another student.

The school resource officer also was en route.

According to the police report obtained by the Allisons, Oglesby “darted” into the room where the Allison’s son was, told the boy he was giving him a headache and then lifted the 65-pound boy by the throat. He “was lifted off the floor so his feet were dangling … his head was close to the ceiling … his face was turning quite red,” according to the psychologist’s statement to police.

The psychologist left the room and told the school resource officer who then went into the room. Oglesby then grabbed the boy by the arm, lifted him over his shoulder and carried him to the principal’s office where, according to one witness, he “threw” the boy into a chair.

The report further states that Oglesby went back into the classroom and said to school staff, “You got any more?”

Oglesby is now on the Illinois Department of Children and Family Services “indicated” child abusers list. But he won’t face criminal charges. He was initially on paid leave during the investigation, but has since been reinstated to the force, albeit at a desk job that bars him from interacting with the public. So he didn’t miss a day of pay.

MORE: A reader points to this story about another Bloomington cop who was arrested in 2009 by a state trooper for suspected DUI, and for driving 83 in a 45 mph zone. Because the officer refused to take a breath test, McLean County State’s Attorney Bill Yoder responded by setting up “no refusal” sobriety checkpoints for all the non-cop motorists, meaning anyone refusing a breath test, as the cop did, would have blood forcibly extracted from their bodies.

The DUI charge against the cop that inspired the crackdown was later dropped. He is also still on the force.

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35 Responses to “What Does It Take for a Police Officer To Get Fired?”

  1. #1 |  gonzostl | 

    The way to get an officer fired, is to have that officer “rat” on another officer.

  2. #2 |  C. S. P. Schofield | 

    What does it take for a police officer to get fired? Radley, I’m disappointed in you. You KNOW the answer to this question. All he has to do is report misconduct by a “brother” officer to some outside authority, or to the press..

  3. #3 |  pegr | 

    ‘Mommy, didn’t that police officer’s mommy say he shouldn’t do that to people?’

    No, Johnny. No she didn’t.

  4. #4 |  spiro | 

    what the article didn’t point out was the part where the officer slipped a dime bag into the kid’s pocket while he was passed out on the waiting room couch.

  5. #5 |  zendingo | 

    wait…. so the guy can be on the child abusers list and be a cop at the same time? does he get paid extra for that?

  6. #6 |  Terence | 

    Cops really are PIGS.

    Their motto is “To serve and Protect – each other.”

  7. #7 |  Helmut O' Hooligan | 

    As a Central IL native, I am aware of numerous issues involving BPD. The most notorius case was that of Sgt. Jeff Pelo, who is now incarcerated. Pelo was arrested and convicted of being a serial rapist in the Bloomington-Normal area. There are some serious issues in that department. The Ogelsby case is just more terrible news for the twin cities area.

  8. #8 |  Helmut O' Hooligan | 

    A side note. As a healthcare security officer I have responded on many occasions to assist with people experiencing seizures. The seizure patient can present a risk to himself and others, and their are proper ways to restrain these patients. Generally, holding on to limbs and ensuring that the patient’s airway is not compromised makes sense. Ogelsby obviously lacks basic medical training and common sense.

  9. #9 |  Marty | 

    judging by the service, I think our dmv is loaded with cops who’ve been given ‘desk jobs’.

  10. #10 |  SJE | 

    A lawsuit by the parents might make the city a little more willing to fire out of control officers.

  11. #11 |  DarkEFang | 

    “What Does It Take for a Police Officer To Get Fired?”:

    1. Manipulating the bodies of dead homeless men to make it appear as if a serial killer is murdering them. Then fraudulently using the resources dedicated to finding the serial killer towards solving other crimes. Also, being a gaping asshole.

    2. Acquiring a wiretap for one investigation, illegally diverting the tap to an unrelated investigation, and crediting the information obtained to a nonexistant confidential informant.

    3. Four citations of unnecessary force; inciting a riot that results in the partial blinding of a minor and the loss of a police vehicle; losing $7000 of drug money; throwing a respected and politically-connected local clergyman to the ground; then stealing (and losing) a video camera from police supply.

    4. Going bananas and yanking a middle-school teacher through a car window, and then pissing off your superior officer, who happens to be the one guy in your division with a conscience.

  12. #12 |  Joe | 

    Maybe we should all apply to be cops for the excellent job security and fringe benefits!

  13. #13 |  Marty | 

    as I read the article again, I can’t imagine the rage the parents must feel about this. To have your special needs child tossed around like a rag doll because of a medical condition… heartbreaking.
    too bad this jackass didn’t get the beating he so richly deserves.

  14. #14 |  Roho | 

    Some additional quotes from the article:

    “He said school officials followed district rules to yield to police, but added ‘the unfortunate thing is you have an officer who has no historical context’ about the student.”

    Really? That’s the unfortunate thing you see here? Thus implying there’s a context where that sort of behavior *would* be okay? And then from the same person:

    “Hannah said the school will review the DCFS report to determine if there should be any policy changes.”

    Well, right now, it sure looks like any officer is allowed to come into one of your schools and beat the crap out of any kid who annoys him. What sort of policy changes are you considering? Children having seizures must be placed in a soundproofed room to prevent annoyance to important authority figures?

  15. #15 |  Zeke | 

    Joe: When I read on this site about all the benefits, pay, perks, etc. that cops get, I sometimes think to myself as well, “this sounds like a sweet deal; why don’t I do this?” until I realize I would have to vomit every day in disgust at myself if I ever became a cop.

  16. #16 |  lth | 

    “What Does It Take for a Police Officer To Get Fired?”:

    If you steal cash from the local PBA, the Blue Wall can crumble.

    http://www.syracuse.com/news/index.ssf/2011/03/former_auburn_cop_now_a_convic.html

  17. #17 |  EH | 

    lth@16: also, roid-head cops are never prosecuted. it’s always the schlubs.

  18. #18 |  ktc2 | 

    What Does It Take for a Police Officer To Get Fired?

    Developing a conscience.

  19. #19 |  Rich | 

    Well its not the results that count, the action is what counts.
    when I read of this story on the Injustice anywhere is injustice
    everywhere I looked up the numbers of the NON emergency number of the police department, I asked to speak to the officer involved he was in a meeting, The police chief was in a meeting. OF course I live in a different state and I am dreading my phone bill, but I called every one again, then I emailed and called every city alderman and the mayor. The police chief did call me back after repeated messages asking me. WHO ARE YOU that I should have to explain anything too? I explained that I was an American Citizen and that is all you need to know. Read the first amendment. He would not of course comment, so I asked him how he felt, He said he felt nothing, so I asked if he was a sociopath considering that he has no feelings for a 7 year old disabled child being held by the neck in the air while having a seizure. HE hung up on me.
    I repeatedly asked everyone if having a seizure is illegal in the state of Illinois and if they would be turning themselves in to the federal authorities for using the color of law to violate this boys rights.
    I emailed the The Prosecutor Yoder the following
    Dear Mr. Yoder,

    You recently made a statement to a news source and I quote


    In a letter to Bloomington Police Chief Randall McKinley on Thursday, State’s Attorney Bill Yoder said “an argument could be made” that officer Scott Oglesby’s contact with the student “constituted a battery.”

    But, Yoder said “it was clear” after reviewing witness statements that Oglesby “had no intention of harming the student, but was attempting to gain compliance, albeit in an inappropriate fashion.”

    Mr. Yoder, what crime did this disabled child who was in the care of a medical professional commit? The constitution requires that a officer have probable cause to make an arrest. The police report states the child was lifted by the neck. When he was moved to another location was he placed under arrest? when NO crime had been committed in the first place.He did not have reasonable suspicion to even detain the child, he was not called to deal with that child. THE child was in the process of being treated by a medical professional. Is it not a federal crime to Using the color of authority to deny someone their civil rights. Since this child had not committed a crime to begin with, there was absolutely no reason for this officer to place his hands on this child. YOUR excuse that the officer was attempting to make the child comply is absolutely outrageous. Comply to what! he was not breaking any law. The officer had NO authority to make a law abiding citizen comply to anything when it is not illegal, Have you read the constitution?

    Is using the color of authority to deny someone their civil rights also a state crime in Illinois? If it is and you chose not to prosecute him are You guilty of conspiracy at a federal level? Are you immune from federal charges MR. Yoder?

    BATTERY! Did he use the color of authority to falsely arrest a child who had not committed any crime? IS conspiring to protect a child abuser and kidnapper a crime? IS interfering with a medical professional performing his duties a crime?

    IF it had been anyone else would you have thrown the book at him with MULTIPLE CHARGES not just battery?

    Attempting to gain COMPLIANCE to WHAT LAW? Mr. Yoder what law is having a seizure breaking MR. Yoder? What statute what crime did he commit, was he committing ,or was he about to commit?

    I hope this family takes federal actions and I hope you will be included in the lawsuit for conspiracy to deny this child his civil rights.

    YOU are supposed to represent the people, not be a lackey for the ever increasing police state, if a 7 year old child having a seizer is not safe from our own police then the fault is completely YOURS MR. YODER.

    ONE alderman did respond and actually answered his phone.Sounded like a Decent caring man. HE told me to address any questions to the City Manager City Manager David Hales.

    WHAT WILL IT TAKE? Lunatics like me, willing to exercise their first amendment right to petition their government over and over again, WILL IT WORK? NO. when they will look in the mirror to shave in the morning knowing that they have NO honor, and are a disgrace to the flag they have the nerve to where on their right shoulder. Something somewhere will touch some part of any decency they might have.
    FROM my writing it is obvious that I am not a well educated man but Many of your are sharper then me. SO would you all call the city manager.
    Ask HIM and call every other department and ask if having a seizure is Probable cause to hold a 7 year old disabled child up by the neck. If having a siezure is illegal in Bloomington.
    Phone: 309-434-2210
    Fax: 309-434-2802
    Email: admin@cityblm.org
    Address:

    Administration Department
    109 E. Olive St.
    Bloomington, IL 61701
    Directions:

    Located in Cityhall 2nd Level – Room 200

    Mayor – Steve Stockton
    City Manager – David Hales

    Contacts

    Departments/Divisions

  20. #20 |  JOR | 

    “Ogelsby obviously lacks basic medical training and common sense.”

    He may, but more importantly he lacks any internal conscience and his sense of shame is either nonexistant or calibrated so thoroughly and exclusively to the Blue Brothers Gang’s social expectations that he’s a danger to everyone around him.

    Come on, if any random shmuck rushed a kid having a siezure and lifted him up to the ceiling by his throat, “obviously lacks basic medical training” would be the last thing that came to anybody’s mind about the asshole.

  21. #21 |  Jesse | 

    In this case it’s not about what what it takes to get a cop fired, but what it takes to get them charged with a crime.

    Any civilian that manhandled a minor child on school property would no doubt be charged with multiple felonies. This cop shouldn’t be worried about getting fired, he should be serving 5 to 10 in state prison. Preferably after he was tackled, tazed, and cuffed.

    If the DA isn’t charging him then the DA needs to be tossed from office.

  22. #22 |  Rich | 

    @ Jesse you are exactly right Mr Yoder number is 1309-888-5400 ask him if he has immunity at the federal level for failing to prosecute the officer for using the color of law to deny the child his civil rights. IF it is also illegal at the state level for an officer to do the same thing. IF would be guilty of conspiracy to deny this child his civil rights?

  23. #23 |  Dante | 

    So, let’s review:

    Shoot a handcuffed, unarmed man dead? No problem, the police don’t get fired.

    Shoot a 7 year old, unarmed girl dead? No police firing.

    Shoot two unarmed, innocent Labrador retrieivers dead? No police firing.

    All of the above at the completely wrong house? No police firing.

    Pull over a young female for speeding and rape her? No police firing.

    Turn off all jail cameras, torture/murder a prisoner, then claim ignorance? No police firing.

    And now this – place a choke hold on a sick boy, and use it to lift him off the ground until passed out, then throw him down like a pile of trash? No police firing.

    Bottom Line: Citizens, Beware of the Police! They can lie, cheat, steal, rape, torture, assault and even murder without regard for the consequences of the law. They are especially dangerous to (and most likely to assault) innocent, unarmed, physically weak species like really old follks, children and pets.

    They are storm troopers, not peace officers. Beware of the Police!

  24. #24 |  varmintito | 

    The fundamental problem is that law enforcement — from police officers sworn to uphold the law, to police department administrators, to the prosecutors responsible for charging and trying those who commit crimes — will not police itself.
    This failure has catastrophic consequences. It means that the worst, most violent, most arrogant, most out of control cops can commit the most despicable acts with impunity. At the same time, it means that a clean cop who tells the truth is put through hell, an administrator who tries to clean up the department becomes a pariah, and a prosecutor who tries to do the right thing is branded anti-police and pro-criminal.
    It also means that honest cops, who do a stressful, often dangerous, and vital job, are lumped together with the sociopaths like the one in this article.
    I have an 8 year old special needs child. If anybody, cop or not, choked her and threw her around because she wouldn’t “comply,” I would go absolutely bananas. I would make it my purpose in life to make him regret it. I would not rest until he was the object of absolute, uncompromising public hatred, and everything he owned belonged to my daughter. And if he tried to get physical with me or mine, he would die like dog and never be found.

  25. #25 |  demize! | 

    #19 Rich you sound like a good man, the kind of man we need more of. Someone who is morally outraged by the morally outrageous and takes his personal time to be persistent in seeking some redress. I for one thank you.

  26. #26 |  Boyd Durkin | 

    Ogelsby obviously lacks basic medical training and common sense.

    Ogelsby is a violent asshole and a threat to the public. To characterize him as lacking in training and common sense is obscene.

  27. #27 |  Boyd Durkin | 

    Rich @ #19,
    Very well done, sir. I will dedicate some time today to asking state agents on your list to accept some responsibility and act like human beings (aka: throwing pebbles against a brick wall).

    Warning: if you pester them too much, they will arrest you. It’s not like you’re a state agent or anything.

  28. #28 |  Boyd Durkin | 

    Any badge-sniffers want to counter Dante’s claims at #23?

  29. #29 |  jimjohnmcshlong | 

    @darkefang
    Lol hbo’s the wire is real life now?

  30. #30 |  EH | 

    jimjohn: it always has been.

  31. #31 |  Mannie | 

    #24 | varmintito | March 28th, 2011 at 7:36 pm
    The fundamental problem is that law enforcement — from police officers sworn to uphold the law, to police department administrators, to the prosecutors responsible for charging and trying those who commit crimes — will not police itself.

    The whole institution of policing in the US is so thoroughly corrupt, they think they are honorable men. Not one of them can be.

  32. #32 |  Rich | 

    #27 Thank you Boyd for the good advice I do not intend to pester anyone and thank you for taking the time today and calling the numbers. I was sure not to use bad language and I did not intend to harass anyone, I simply called the numbers of customer service that they themselves provided. You are correct I threw pebbles against a brick wall. Like Mcmurphy in one flew over the cookoos nest when he tried to lift that big heavy sink and failed he said hey at least I tried. WE can say the same thing

  33. #33 |  Bait | 

    @Boyd Durkin
    Could find no reference anywhere to the situation Dante described. It appears he is combining and twisting several unrelated incidents to fit with tthe general attitude of this discussion. If you’re going to try and make a statment like that please back it up with a source.

  34. #34 |  Marsha Romack | 

    I am 61 and a resident of a small town in Colorado. I have been harassed, bullied, arrested, had my civil rights violated it seems nearly 10 times in that many years because I stood up for myself when the police involved themselves in my civil matters. It seems that is domestic terrorism. Then they obtain a search warrant by lying to a judge and arrest me as a special offender.( I have F.B.I clearance) when I got a criminal defense attorney who is a former District Attorney, police start to get fired, a new special District attorney is appointed to the case, and before I know what happened I am sitting in court listening to the police lie, having to answer for their misconduct and I am now the victim as I have been for 10 years. El Paso County has done what no one expected and sniffed out the liars, and criminals. I know the majority of police are corrupt, but thank God the state of Colorado is taking care of bad cops and the victims of their crimes.

  35. #35 |  Dorothy Vandergriff | 

    In Kansas City,MO we have a female animal control officer who is so clearly mentally ill, so obviously a danger to animals and humans, that she should be immediately hospitalized involuntarily–and taken off any work with animals or the public PERMANENTLY. Not only has she denied animals the care they need, but she has cooked up one really sick scheme to ensnare a person she dislikes in a horrific legal maze that would destroy that individual. This is being done to someone who has never been arrested in her 60 years of life, who has always worked tirelessly to help animals–and who happens to be very seriously physically ill. The plans this ACO put in motion to destroy this individual would be heinous when done to a healthy person, but to choose someone disabled and ill as the target is beyond words.

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