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	<description>It rankles me when somebody tries to tell somebody what to do.</description>
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		<title>By: Ken Hagler</title>
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		<dc:creator>Ken Hagler</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 07 Feb 2011 07:44:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I realize we&#039;ll never know now, but I wouldn&#039;t be _at all_ surprised to learn that the cops prodded the witnesses to identify this particular guy. I&#039;ve met a number of black men who were scooped up by the cops on the &quot;first young black man they came across&quot; principle, and then had the cops try to pressure vulnerable people (children, victims of recent violent attacks, etc.) into identifying them as the perpetrator. In all of those cases the intended witness refused to go along with the cops--but of course, if they had, those men would have been in jail and not available for me to hear from.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I realize we&#8217;ll never know now, but I wouldn&#8217;t be _at all_ surprised to learn that the cops prodded the witnesses to identify this particular guy. I&#8217;ve met a number of black men who were scooped up by the cops on the &#8220;first young black man they came across&#8221; principle, and then had the cops try to pressure vulnerable people (children, victims of recent violent attacks, etc.) into identifying them as the perpetrator. In all of those cases the intended witness refused to go along with the cops&#8211;but of course, if they had, those men would have been in jail and not available for me to hear from.</p>
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		<title>By: Irving Washington</title>
		<link>http://www.theagitator.com/2011/02/04/this-week-in-innocence-15/comment-page-1/#comment-622286</link>
		<dc:creator>Irving Washington</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 06 Feb 2011 15:50:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[This is a time to use a pardon.  Fast, cheap, and completely obviates the need to consider the lack of evidence in the two other rapes.

Not to preach to the choir, but this is another reminder that eyewitness testimony is one of the weakest forms of evidence, especially when that eyewitness was under the stress of being the actual victim at the time of the alleged crime.  Every state of which I&#039;m aware allows for felony convictions to be based on the identification testimony of just one witness, and while I don&#039;t feel the need to engage in the hypothetical battle of when that could be appropriate, from a practical standpoint, I think jurors ought to be trained to acquit in all cases in which there is a single-witness identification by the victim.  This does, in fact, change the evidentiary game in sex crimes, and while I don&#039;t want to make the lives of rape victims any harder, I want to send innocent men to jail even less.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This is a time to use a pardon.  Fast, cheap, and completely obviates the need to consider the lack of evidence in the two other rapes.</p>
<p>Not to preach to the choir, but this is another reminder that eyewitness testimony is one of the weakest forms of evidence, especially when that eyewitness was under the stress of being the actual victim at the time of the alleged crime.  Every state of which I&#8217;m aware allows for felony convictions to be based on the identification testimony of just one witness, and while I don&#8217;t feel the need to engage in the hypothetical battle of when that could be appropriate, from a practical standpoint, I think jurors ought to be trained to acquit in all cases in which there is a single-witness identification by the victim.  This does, in fact, change the evidentiary game in sex crimes, and while I don&#8217;t want to make the lives of rape victims any harder, I want to send innocent men to jail even less.</p>
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		<title>By: Kirk</title>
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		<dc:creator>Kirk</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 05 Feb 2011 23:21:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[In all the concern about DNA results showing people to be innocent, I find it interesting that nobody ever seems to look that deeply into the science involved.

Sure, if they find a match for another individual, that&#039;s good evidence that someone else committed the crime. However, when you exclude someone because &quot;...the DNA obtained from the scene did not match the suspect...&quot;, things are not anywhere nearly as clear-cut.

There&#039;s a phenomena known as genetic chimerism, where an individual may have more than one cell line making up their body&#039;s tissues. We really don&#039;t know how prevalent this phenomenal is, or whether or not we can really rely on genetic sampling taken from buccal swabs, when the evidence we&#039;re looking at is seminal fluid.

Say that you test your suspect, and turn up a different genetic profile than the fluids left on your victim. All the other evidence points at him, but the DNA exonerates him. Unknown to you, however, is that your suspect is a genetic chimera, and his germ cells came from a different cell line than the tissues making up his cheeks... Guess what? You just exonerated a guilty man.

DNA testing needs to be looked at a lot more carefully than it is. I&#039;d be very cautious about these &quot;miracle exonerations&quot; until we&#039;re actually matching tissue types to tissue types. Show me that the suspect&#039;s seminal fluids don&#039;t match, when the evidence is left-behind seminal fluids, and I&#039;d be a lot more trusting when it comes to exonerating him. Even then, there&#039;s some very scarily poor work being done by the forensics people in these things.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In all the concern about DNA results showing people to be innocent, I find it interesting that nobody ever seems to look that deeply into the science involved.</p>
<p>Sure, if they find a match for another individual, that&#8217;s good evidence that someone else committed the crime. However, when you exclude someone because &#8220;&#8230;the DNA obtained from the scene did not match the suspect&#8230;&#8221;, things are not anywhere nearly as clear-cut.</p>
<p>There&#8217;s a phenomena known as genetic chimerism, where an individual may have more than one cell line making up their body&#8217;s tissues. We really don&#8217;t know how prevalent this phenomenal is, or whether or not we can really rely on genetic sampling taken from buccal swabs, when the evidence we&#8217;re looking at is seminal fluid.</p>
<p>Say that you test your suspect, and turn up a different genetic profile than the fluids left on your victim. All the other evidence points at him, but the DNA exonerates him. Unknown to you, however, is that your suspect is a genetic chimera, and his germ cells came from a different cell line than the tissues making up his cheeks&#8230; Guess what? You just exonerated a guilty man.</p>
<p>DNA testing needs to be looked at a lot more carefully than it is. I&#8217;d be very cautious about these &#8220;miracle exonerations&#8221; until we&#8217;re actually matching tissue types to tissue types. Show me that the suspect&#8217;s seminal fluids don&#8217;t match, when the evidence is left-behind seminal fluids, and I&#8217;d be a lot more trusting when it comes to exonerating him. Even then, there&#8217;s some very scarily poor work being done by the forensics people in these things.</p>
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		<title>By: Joe</title>
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		<dc:creator>Joe</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 05 Feb 2011 13:31:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[So finality trumps making sure an innocent man does not serve time for a crime he did not commit? We are not talking the evidence is slightly in his favor, we are talking it is highly probable he is innocent.  

Time to change Virginia law in this regard.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>So finality trumps making sure an innocent man does not serve time for a crime he did not commit? We are not talking the evidence is slightly in his favor, we are talking it is highly probable he is innocent.  </p>
<p>Time to change Virginia law in this regard.</p>
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		<title>By: Gerald A</title>
		<link>http://www.theagitator.com/2011/02/04/this-week-in-innocence-15/comment-page-1/#comment-619284</link>
		<dc:creator>Gerald A</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 05 Feb 2011 13:04:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[And we&#039;re all surprised that right and wrong has any place in a modern court room?]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>And we&#8217;re all surprised that right and wrong has any place in a modern court room?</p>
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		<title>By: croaker</title>
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		<dc:creator>croaker</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 05 Feb 2011 01:19:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[@5 Some would earn the time served by going after those to put him in the joint to begin with.  I certainly would be very temped to do that if I were in that situation.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@5 Some would earn the time served by going after those to put him in the joint to begin with.  I certainly would be very temped to do that if I were in that situation.</p>
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		<title>By: perlhaqr</title>
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		<dc:creator>perlhaqr</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 04 Feb 2011 23:36:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Fuck.

That&#039;s about all I can say about that.  I&#039;m just totally gobsmacked stupid wordless over the concept of what it would even be like to be released after 26, 27 years in prison for a crime you didn&#039;t commit.  60% of your life to date spent behind bars, wrongfully.  What the hell would you even &lt;b&gt;do&lt;/b&gt; after that?]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Fuck.</p>
<p>That&#8217;s about all I can say about that.  I&#8217;m just totally gobsmacked stupid wordless over the concept of what it would even be like to be released after 26, 27 years in prison for a crime you didn&#8217;t commit.  60% of your life to date spent behind bars, wrongfully.  What the hell would you even <b>do</b> after that?</p>
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		<title>By: Tweets that mention This Week in Innocence &#124; The Agitator -- Topsy.com</title>
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		<dc:creator>Tweets that mention This Week in Innocence &#124; The Agitator -- Topsy.com</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 04 Feb 2011 23:06:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[[...] This post was mentioned on Twitter by FoxArtCultTech, teaist ats. teaist ats said: This Week in Innocence http://bit.ly/fX5uk7 http://t.tatsn.com/n [...]]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] This post was mentioned on Twitter by FoxArtCultTech, teaist ats. teaist ats said: This Week in Innocence <a href="http://bit.ly/fX5uk7" rel="nofollow">http://bit.ly/fX5uk7</a> <a href="http://t.tatsn.com/n" rel="nofollow">http://t.tatsn.com/n</a> [...]</p>
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		<title>By: SJE</title>
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		<dc:creator>SJE</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 04 Feb 2011 22:56:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Yep, actual innocence is apparently irrelevant.  Of course, if Cucinelli thinks this man is innocent, why not talk to his buddy, the Gov, and have this man pardoned.  It would take about 10 minutes.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yep, actual innocence is apparently irrelevant.  Of course, if Cucinelli thinks this man is innocent, why not talk to his buddy, the Gov, and have this man pardoned.  It would take about 10 minutes.</p>
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		<title>By: Marty</title>
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		<dc:creator>Marty</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 04 Feb 2011 22:25:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[stunning. a potentially innocent man is losing any chance of freedom because of bureaucracy.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>stunning. a potentially innocent man is losing any chance of freedom because of bureaucracy.</p>
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		<title>By: Mattocracy</title>
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		<dc:creator>Mattocracy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 04 Feb 2011 22:23:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[So unless you can prove that you aren&#039;t a criminal, you&#039;re guilty until further notice.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>So unless you can prove that you aren&#8217;t a criminal, you&#8217;re guilty until further notice.</p>
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