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Friday, February 4th, 2011
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  1. #1 |  croaker | 

    Cops probably consider the camera the weapon of choice in the war against them.

    http://www.pixiq.com/article/video-showing-houston-cops-beating-teen-finally-released

    Keeping video like this hidden just makes it worse when it finally comes out.

  2. #2 |  JThompson | 

    The drink has been called a factor in the death of a 17-year-old girl who died when she drank Four Loko after taking a diet pill, the drunk-driving death of a 21-year-old and the hospitalization of nine college students in Washington whom police initially believed to have been dosed with date rape drugs, but were later found to have consumed rum, vodka and beer in addition to Four Loko.

    Translation: Mixing amphetamines with alcohol, getting sloshed then driving around, and drinking yourself into a coma are all bad. None of these are actually news, so we’re going to blame novelty. Get those kids off my lawn!!!

    It does taste like a hobo someone drowned in Thunderbird then pickled in Faygo syrup, but that’s no reason to ban it.

  3. #3 |  Cappy | 

    Ref: Maine

    We call those Cow Pies in Wisconsin.

    I suppose we got a market on the actual cow pies around here though.

  4. #4 |  J.S. | 

    The four loko deal with the drunk college girls in WA that started it all is nothing but “drunken sluts pass out at college party, get banged. Film at 11″. Except that, for those girls to admit they drank too much would mean they have to accept responsibility for their actions and choices. Thats not allowed if you’re a woman in this society any more.

  5. #5 |  Dave Krueger | 

    Instead of hiding the bodies of the people I kill, I just leave them where they fall and drop an empty Four Loko can next to them to throw the cops off the track. Go ahead and laugh if you want, but as you can tell from the headlines, it’s been working great so far.

    Disclaimer for the intellectually challenged (ie: law enforcement): The above is a fucking joke, so please don’t come and break down my door, arrest me, and then hold a press conference to brag about how you’ve saved the world from a serial killer.

  6. #6 |  Dave Krueger | 

    Regarding the war on cops…

    Let’s all start wearing black armbands for a week or so after an innocent person is killed by a cop in the war on drugs. I know us little people aren’t as important a loss to the world as when a cop gets killed, but I think we should mourn. After all, a citizen is one of us and an attack on one of us is an attack on all of us.

    I mean, if that approach works for them, it could work for us.

  7. #7 |  Dave | 

    The most interesting quote from the article on the “war on cops”:
    “In Florida, most inmates come out of prison 10 times worse than when they went in. We have a grand opportunity to make them participate in school, learn a trade and do all sorts of things to become worthwhile. But, instead, we throw them into an environment where they have to fight to stay alive, then complain when they get out and commit more crimes.”

  8. #8 |  omar | 

    The four loko deal with the drunk college girls in WA that started it all is nothing but “drunken sluts pass out at college party, get banged. Film at 11″. Except that, for those girls to admit they drank too much would mean they have to accept responsibility for their actions and choices.

    The article doesn’t say anything about those girls being victims of sexual assault. Maybe my sarcasm meter is not working this morning, but there is nothing remotely ok or normal about raping girls who are too messed up to resist. Getting too wasted to function makes you a fool, but it doesn’t make you responsible for getting raped. Are you implying this?

  9. #9 |  PersonFromPorlock | 

    The whoopie pie thing is just the Maine GOP indulging its traditional Drang nach Dummheit.

  10. #10 |  InMD | 

    Dan Snyder has been ruining my life for more than a decade now.

  11. #11 |  Country Woman | 

    The Alabama Drug Court requirements are outrageous!

  12. #12 |  Mike T | 

    Getting too wasted to function makes you a fool, but it doesn’t make you responsible for getting raped. Are you implying this?

    Since the men who banged them were probably highly intoxicated themselves, one must ask an obvious question:

    If a drunk woman cannot give consent due to impairment, how can a highly drunk man be sufficiently unimpaired as to be legally liable?

    Is someone arguing that women are the weaker sex here?…

  13. #13 |  Mario | 

    From the St. Petersburg Times:

    [W]hen police are killed, we need to look at “tactical decision making.” […] “Why go into that attic in the first place?” asks Klinger. “Where was command and control?”

    I was having an argument with my brother the other day, a Federal LEO, about the militarization of the police. Maybe some of the training they receive lulls them into a false sense of efficacy and winds them up with a gung-ho attitude that encourages recklessness?

    Military training can be dangerous for police. It’s dangerous for the military. Think about it. As sad as it is to consider, the military is asked to do certain things because, ultimately, soldiers are considered to some degree expendable. That’s what war is. And now that the police are waging “war” on this and that and adopting similar tactics, they’re putting themselves into the same kind of danger when they should be playing it safe.

  14. #14 |  Mattocracy | 

    Blame the drinks for the drunks instead of the drunks themselves. I guess that old prohibitionist angle never gets old.

  15. #15 |  Leah | 

    #4- I like how your headline is “drunken sluts get banged.” Very passive voice. I like “Drunk frat boys rape college student” personally. Personal responsibility goes both ways.

    #2- Mmm, Faygo…

  16. #16 |  TomG | 

    I’m going to bookmark Loretta’s blog from that first link, Radley. I’d heard of her name before when she ran for governor, but didn’t realize she has a blog.

  17. #17 |  J.S. | 

    No Omar, MikeT explained it well. And Leah, yes of course responsibility goes both ways. However, when I hear about drunk college girls and sex I don’t by default buy into the “oh those poor dears were taken advantage of/raped” line of thought.

    To be more clear, young women get drunk, apparently black out and realize they got laid and don’t remember it. Oh, noes! Perhaps drinking to excess is not a good thing? Frat boy does the same and wakes up the next morning remembering nothing, naughty words written on his face, a used rubber next to him and no wallet doesn’t get much sympathy from society. Equality demands I view women the same, or are women indeed the weaker sex?

  18. #18 |  Leah | 

    No, no one is weaker, it is more that the person who is actively infringing on someone else is the one who is the more responsible. Who is more at fault, the person who acts like an asshole to a cop? Or the cop who beats him up? Neither were SMART, but the person actively doing the beating is the one who should be more condemned. Or at least made the subject of your false headline.

    I don’t think it’s smart to get wasted at a frat party to the point you pass out. But it’s then also not smart to get so wasted you can’t remember having sex with someone who can’t consent, and I think that the fact that the women are the ones who nearly always get the blame in that scenario is pretty shitty. (And yes, I know there are false rape accusations, etc, that is not what I am talking about. I am talking specifically about your false headline that blamed women for passing out and not men for taking advantage of the unconscious women.)

  19. #19 |  Pablo | 

    That stuff about the Alabama drug court is so wrong on so many different levels–coerced “treatment,” invasions of privacy, vaguely written statutes, a power-mad judge running his own little fiefdom, throwing people in jail if they assert their rights, branding kids as “addicts” if they take a single puff of a joint, racial discrimination by the courts, etc etc etc.

    The article didn’t specify what kind of “program” is involved but I’d bet a week’s pay it is 12-step based. Such programs are religious and require one to pray to God, acknowledge a higher power, etc.

    As a commentor said on the original post, I would follow the money.

  20. #20 |  MDGuy | 

    J.S. I think you’re conflating two very different states of mind: “passed out”, as in not conscious of what’s happening around you and by definition, unable to make a decision to have sex, and “blacked out,” as in still awake and conscious, albeit in a limited and impaired capacity. I don’t care how drunk the guy is, if he can still get it up and in a girl that is passed out, that’s rape. I agree that some states have bullshit laws that need to be challenged, wherein a woman under the influence of alcohol to any degree whatsoever is considered to be unable to give consent, but it should be a given that women (and men for that matter) who are passed out cannot give consent to have sex. I like the sauce as much as the next man, probably even more than the average actually, and even at my drunkest, I can recognize when a girl is passed out and therefore, off limits.

  21. #21 |  PeeDub | 

    ” … the fact that the women are the ones who nearly always get the blame in that scenario …”

    I don’t believe we are subscribing to the same periodicals…

  22. #22 |  pegr | 

    “Alabama drug court requires the parents of enrolled teens to take drug courts, too.”

    Minor nit, should be “take drug tests, too.”

  23. #23 |  Bob | 

    Instead of hiding the bodies of the people I kill…(/blockquote>

    Damn it dave! I was going to say that.

  24. #24 |  Bob | 

    Damn it Radley! Preview!

    I would insert the obvious Four Loco joke here, but I fear the internets are being trolled by people with no sense of humor.

  25. #25 |  Whoopie vs. Blueberry Pie: A Dessert Battle Rages in the Maine Legislature | Daily Libertarian | 

    […] Via The Agitator. […]

  26. #26 |  J sub D | 

    Cops probably consider the camera the weapon of choice in the war against them.

    http://www.pixiq.com/article/video-showing-houston-cops-beating-teen-finally-released

    Keeping video like this hidden just makes it worse when it finally comes out.

    The officers are being charged with misdemeanor oppression instead of felony assault.

    Justice at last!

  27. #27 |  ktc2 | 

    So has it come to the point that when a woman consents to sex, we must now conduct a field sobriety test and / or carry and use a breathalyzer?

    Passed out (i.e. unconscious) is one thing obviously no one can consent to anything in that state.

  28. #28 |  Aresen | 

    So it turns [MY EDIT] out that Redskins owner Daniel Snyer is kind of a dick.

    That was obvious when he shook down the government for millions for a stadium.

  29. #29 |  Charlie O | 

    Re: Article on Alabama teen drug courts

    Real good reason to never, ever live in Alabama. And if I already lived there, would leave immediately. I mean, c’mon, most of their houses have wheels on them already, should be easy enough to move.

  30. #30 |  Pablo | 

    #28 Charlie–I agree it is appalling, but I daresay there are drug courts in every state that are just about as bad. The whole approach to coerced treatment, under the threat of a criminal conviction and incarceration, is too much of a cash cow for broke cities and counties not to do it. Rather than spending money locking someone up, these “drug courts” collect big fees (I believe the Shelby county one charges 2500-3000 bucks) on top of fees for classes, probation monitoring, drug tests, etc. While they are at it they fulfill their control fetish too.

  31. #31 |  Jeremy | 

    The thing I really noticed about the same people spreading the “war on cops” meme is how schizophrenic their worship of the police is. On one hand, they think cops are infallible heroes and will blindly defend them against any accusation of brutality and corruption, but then denounce them as union-thug public employees when they oppose pension/budget cuts (especially if they happen to be from big blue-state cities and/or non-white).

    That’s certainly true of the Tea Party movement cop-worshipers.

  32. #32 |  Yizmo Gizmo | 

    “The thing I really noticed about the same people spreading the “war on cops” meme is how schizophrenic their worship of the police is.”

    Really? I thought by using the “War on …” terminology (the same old song and dance thrown at us mindless, gullible hoi polloi for decades) there was a healthy and very welcome dose of sardonicism going on.

  33. #33 |  witless chum | 

    Has anyone explained how Four Loko is different than a couple of Red Bull and Vodkas?

    From the link:

    Four Loko, which has been dubbed “blackout in a can” by some drinkers, sells for under $3 and contains as much alcohol as nearly five beers and as much caffeine as several cups of coffee.

    The vodka has 8 to 16 times as much alcohol as the beer and the Red Bull actually has about the same as a cup of coffee. So, it’s the caffeine that’s supposed to be dangerous?

    http://www.energyfiend.com/the-caffeine-database

    According to this link, a lot of these ‘Energy shots’ than get sold have massive amounts of caffeine compared to coffee. If Four Loko is in fact more dangerous than other alcoholic beverages, I’m not understanding why.

  34. #34 |  witless chum | 

    So has it come to the point that when a woman consents to sex, we must now conduct a field sobriety test and / or carry and use a breathalyzer?

    Maybe if you say “No, baby suck on THIS for a second” in a sexy enough voice you can carry it off….

    But, really, if you think you’re likely to have a problem in this area, maybe you need to do that. I’m pretty confident I’m not going to face any rape allegations.

  35. #35 |  Highway | 

    Aresen @27

    Dan Snyder shook down the government for a stadium? Loathe as I am to defend him in anything, I don’t know if this is true. Last month he was talking about a new stadium 15 years down the road, but that’s all he’s been involved in.

    The Redskins were building their current stadium before Jack Kent Cooke died, and started playing there 2 years before Snyder showed up. And really, that stadium wasn’t anywhere close to the shakedown that most stadiums are, as it was largely financed by Cooke, with state involvement limited mostly to a new interchange off of the Capitol Beltway.

  36. #36 |  InMD | 

    At #34

    Despite Snyder’s many sins building FedEx Field (previously Jack Kent Cooke Stadium) is not one of them. It was built by Jack Kent Cooke and completed in 1997 before Snyder owned the team. This was after a long battle between Cooke and Marion Barry/The DC City Council to replace RFK stadium. Cooke was willing to pay to have the stadium built in the city but the DC government wouldn’t work with him at all. Ultimately I believe PG Coutny volunteered the funds for a site in Landover, Maryland which at the time also hosted the Washington Capitals and Capital Bullets (now Wizards) at U.S. Air Arena.

    I was actually at the stadium for the first game against Jerry Jones’ team of concubines er- the Dallas Cowboys.

  37. #37 |  Highway | 

    InMD, that’s what I was saying. I think Cooke paid for the stadium construction, as well as the Wilson Farm site, himself. I was in college at the time they were working on siting for the stadium (at Laurel Park, prior to the Wilson Farm site), and we actually had a project to prepare traffic studies for the Laurel Park site.

    The state subsidy was primarily for the interchange, although it was a pretty pricey interchange, and is only open for stadium events…

  38. #38 |  InMD | 

    Highway

    Yea, you’re right. Wow I had forgotten about the plans to put it in Laurel. God what a nightmare that would have been.

  39. #39 |  Yizmo Gizmo | 

    “If Four Loko is in fact more dangerous than other alcoholic beverages, I’m not understanding why.”

    It has to do with the demographics. Amy Fisher had “Cisco.”1
    The Jersey Shore generation has “Four Loko.”
    Cheap candy wine intended to get teenagers blind stinking drunk.

    1 # Cisco is the brand name of a highly alcoholic wine-based beverage, produced by the Centerra Wine Company (a division of Constellation Brands) with varieties selling at 13.9%, 17.5% and 19.5% alcohol by volume. Cisco has a syrupy consistency, sweet taste and, because of its color and bottle shape, was often mistaken for a wine cooler. The Federal Trade Commission required the company to put a label on the bottle stating that Cisco was not a wine cooler, and to change its marketing strategy from “Takes You By Surprise.”[1]

  40. #40 |  Yizmo Gizmo | 

    Okay Four Loko isn’t as sweet as Cisco.
    But I still say it’s the same adolescent “Let’s go get fu*ked up” demographic.

  41. #41 |  Jeremy | 

    ‘Really? I thought by using the “War on …” terminology (the same old song and dance thrown at us mindless, gullible hoi polloi for decades) there was a healthy and very welcome dose of sardonicism going on.’

    Well, I don’t doubt the same people who use the “War on..” terminology seriously are also cynical about it themselves.

  42. #42 |  bob42 | 

    When scientifically tested, drug sniffin dogs FAIL.

    The handlers were told that there might be up to three of their target scents in each room, and that there would be a piece of red construction paper in two of the rooms that identified the location of the target scent. However, there were no target scents — explosives or drugs — placed in any of the rooms.

    Each room represented a different experimental condition or scenario:

    In room #1 the experimenter did nothing.
    In room #2 she taped a piece of red construction paper to a cabinet.
    In room #3 she placed decoy scents, two sausages and two tennis balls hidden together out of view.
    In room #4 she placed a piece of red construction paper at the location of hidden decoy scents, two sausages and two tennis balls.

    The dog-handler teams conducted two separate, five-minute searches of each room. When handlers believed their dogs had indicated a target scent, an observer recorded the location indicated by handlers. All of the teams searched the rooms in a different order.

    Although there should have been no alerts in any of the rooms, there were alerts in all of them. And more alerts occurred at the target locations indicated by human suggestion (red construction paper) than at locations of increased dog interest (sausages and tennis balls).

    It no wonder that most law enforcement agencies refuse to maintain or publish stats on K9 reliability. They already know that they aren’t.

  43. #43 |  lunchstealer | 

    I think the Fox story is wrong. Four loko doesn’t have much more caffiene than a cup of coffee, IIRC. It’s particularly strong alcohol-wise, given that it’s sold as a single serving of 24oz when it’s the strength of wine, which is typically provided in 6-oz servings.

    And the above red-bull-and-vodka mention doesn’t take serving size into account – Assuming a double with a generous pour, a RB&V is still only 2-3 times the alcohol of beer.

    That does mean that one Four-Loko will pretty easily put an average person well over the legal limit, and probably also over the reasonable limit (which is frankly higher, thanks MADD) for driving.

  44. #44 |  perlhaqr | 

    Dave Krueger: Now, are we talking one armband that we wear for a week whenever anyone is killed, or a different armband for each person killed? Because if it’s the latter, they better be O-rings, or I’m going to run out of space on my arms.

    —-

    Mike T: Since the men who banged them were probably highly intoxicated themselves, one must ask an obvious question:

    If a drunk woman cannot give consent due to impairment, how can a highly drunk man be sufficiently unimpaired as to be legally liable?

    Is someone arguing that women are the weaker sex here?…

    Since being blind drunk doesn’t make you not legally liable for plowing your car into a bus full of nuns, there’s no logical reason why taking any intoxicant should absolve you from responsibility for having committed any other crime, either. Like rape. Which is a crime.

    And it has nothing to do with gender. Raping a guy who is passed out drunk is a crime also, so there’s no “weaker sex” nonsense involved, but nice attempt to distract the conversation away from “people who commit crimes”.

    It may be foolish to incapacitate oneself in the company of strangers, but being foolish isn’t illegal, and it doesn’t certainly doesn’t mean you deserve to be raped, either. “I’m going to teach this silly woman a lesson about responsibility she’ll never forget!”

    In closing: Getting drunk and passing out — not a crime. Getting drunk and committing crimes — still a crime.

  45. #45 |  RomanCandle | 

    All these slanders against Washington Redskins owner Daniel Snyder have to be stopped.

    As a life-long Dallas Cowboys fan, I can assure you I have nothing but praise for his stewardship of the Redskins.

  46. #46 |  Marty | 

    bob42- your link leads back to the top of the page…

  47. #47 |  bob42 | 

    Thanks Marty. I hate it when that happens.

  48. #48 |  JOR | 

    “Getting too wasted to function makes you a fool, but it doesn’t make you responsible for getting raped. Are you implying this?”

    Exactly. Any time someone mentions “responsibility” they’re doing it to hide a controversial moral claim beneath posturing. For instance, that a woman who drinks enough to black out and get raped ‘deserves’ or is to blame for the rape. Or that a person who acts like, you know, a normal person when confronted with an aggressive asshole cop deserves the subsequent beating, tazering and bullshit charges, or that a person using marijuana brought their prison term upon themselves.

    In a way they’re right. In plain terms, in a purely practical, physical, and social sense – yes, the victims of those actions are responsible for them. In a purely practical, physical, social sense, everyone is responsible for absolutely everything that happens to them. The robbed are responsible for the fact that they’re robbed, murder victims are responsible for being murdered, Libertarians are responsible for being taxed and regulated, etc. The error is to think that this responsibility has any moral importance. And really, nobody really thinks it does. They just pretend it does when they’re ranting about some group they find unsympathetic (like rape or cop victims, or poor people, or whatever).

  49. #49 |  Boyd Durkin | 

    As a Viking fan I approve of Dan Snyder. So much for the NFL vetting process for owners. Even Norv Turner says Dan knows nothing.

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