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	<title>Comments on: Looks to Me Like You&#8217;ve Been Doing Some Unlicensed Figurin&#8217;</title>
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	<description>It rankles me when somebody tries to tell somebody what to do.</description>
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		<title>By: Helmets, freedom and externalities &#171; Muse Free</title>
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		<dc:creator>Helmets, freedom and externalities &#171; Muse Free</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 10 Jul 2011 09:21:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[[...] militarization, Obama&#8217;s pursuit of whistleblowers, regulations which make it illegal to do math without a license, and many other freedom-snuffing things. But the kind of stuff that gets me most riled up are laws [...]]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] militarization, Obama&#8217;s pursuit of whistleblowers, regulations which make it illegal to do math without a license, and many other freedom-snuffing things. But the kind of stuff that gets me most riled up are laws [...]</p>
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		<title>By: albatross</title>
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		<dc:creator>albatross</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 07 Feb 2011 15:44:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Knowing nothing about this case, just guessing, I suspect the guy raising this complaint knows or suspects that there is a PE moonlighting in violation of his employer&#039;s policies behind these arguments.  And he hopes to shake that information out, and maybe make opposing the city&#039;s plans more expensive by causing that person some trouble.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Knowing nothing about this case, just guessing, I suspect the guy raising this complaint knows or suspects that there is a PE moonlighting in violation of his employer&#8217;s policies behind these arguments.  And he hopes to shake that information out, and maybe make opposing the city&#8217;s plans more expensive by causing that person some trouble.</p>
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		<dc:creator>Tweets that mention Looks to Me Like You’ve Been Doing Some Unlicensed Figurin’ &#124; The Agitator -- Topsy.com</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 06 Feb 2011 02:18:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] This post was mentioned on Twitter by Bill Starr, s w. s w said: Looks to Me Like You’ve Been Doing Some Unlicensed Figurin’ <a href="http://bit.ly/ed0Cy0" rel="nofollow">http://bit.ly/ed0Cy0</a> [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Kevin Carson</title>
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		<dc:creator>Kevin Carson</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 05 Feb 2011 18:46:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[So a citizen who even displays competence and familiarity with the relevant body of knowledge in advocating a policy to public representatives is violating the professional licensing system? 

That officious busybody Lacy needs to be slapped down until he&#039;s lying in a puddle of his own urine and puke, dazedly staring up at the sun and wondering &quot;wha&#039; the fuck happened?&quot;  

It&#039;s obvious that Cox wasn&#039;t doing it for money, or competing with any licensed professional.  So if there are any relevant legal sanctions available for frivolous prosecution, he should break it off in Lacy with extreme prejudice.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>So a citizen who even displays competence and familiarity with the relevant body of knowledge in advocating a policy to public representatives is violating the professional licensing system? </p>
<p>That officious busybody Lacy needs to be slapped down until he&#8217;s lying in a puddle of his own urine and puke, dazedly staring up at the sun and wondering &#8220;wha&#8217; the fuck happened?&#8221;  </p>
<p>It&#8217;s obvious that Cox wasn&#8217;t doing it for money, or competing with any licensed professional.  So if there are any relevant legal sanctions available for frivolous prosecution, he should break it off in Lacy with extreme prejudice.</p>
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		<title>By: tb</title>
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		<dc:creator>tb</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 05 Feb 2011 15:44:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I feel the need to point out that all of you here thinking and reasoning about this situation and debating the totality of Kevin Lacy&#039;s asshattery are guilty of unlicensed figurin&#039;.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I feel the need to point out that all of you here thinking and reasoning about this situation and debating the totality of Kevin Lacy&#8217;s asshattery are guilty of unlicensed figurin&#8217;.</p>
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		<title>By: Highway</title>
		<link>http://www.theagitator.com/2011/02/04/looks-to-me-like-youve-done-some-unlicensed-figurin-here/comment-page-1/#comment-619614</link>
		<dc:creator>Highway</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 05 Feb 2011 15:33:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I wonder if most people who would read a story like that really understand that there&#039;s a difference between Professional Engineering licensing in practice and pretty much every other state licensing.  Or would they just look at it like all the other licensing that people are forced to get before they can even practice in a field (obviously Mr. Lacy believes this)?

Like a hairdresser&#039;s license, or a liquor license, or a contractor&#039;s license, nearly every other license is viewed as a requirement for *any* involvement in a field.  But PE licenses just aren&#039;t like that (in current practice anyway.  I know that there are probably some folks who are trying to push them towards more of a limiting credentialing scheme).  Even if a client requires certification, that certification is tied to a person who may or may not do the work, but is putting their professional reputation on the line to certify it.  But unless the *client* requires that, it isn&#039;t required.  

The attitude of folks like Mr. Lacy is just abhorrent to me.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I wonder if most people who would read a story like that really understand that there&#8217;s a difference between Professional Engineering licensing in practice and pretty much every other state licensing.  Or would they just look at it like all the other licensing that people are forced to get before they can even practice in a field (obviously Mr. Lacy believes this)?</p>
<p>Like a hairdresser&#8217;s license, or a liquor license, or a contractor&#8217;s license, nearly every other license is viewed as a requirement for *any* involvement in a field.  But PE licenses just aren&#8217;t like that (in current practice anyway.  I know that there are probably some folks who are trying to push them towards more of a limiting credentialing scheme).  Even if a client requires certification, that certification is tied to a person who may or may not do the work, but is putting their professional reputation on the line to certify it.  But unless the *client* requires that, it isn&#8217;t required.  </p>
<p>The attitude of folks like Mr. Lacy is just abhorrent to me.</p>
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		<title>By: J.S.</title>
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		<dc:creator>J.S.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 05 Feb 2011 13:25:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Damn uppity serfs. The government approved are the &quot;only ones&quot; allowed to speak and proffer analysis.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Damn uppity serfs. The government approved are the &#8220;only ones&#8221; allowed to speak and proffer analysis.</p>
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		<title>By: TC</title>
		<link>http://www.theagitator.com/2011/02/04/looks-to-me-like-youve-done-some-unlicensed-figurin-here/comment-page-1/#comment-618772</link>
		<dc:creator>TC</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 05 Feb 2011 07:58:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Sounds like a high paid govt employed engineer got outed for being a village idiot that the village pays for!  

Mirror mirror on the wall,,, Who&#039;s the best in all the land?  yadayadayadayada!

I hope that Lacy is ripping open his own can of worms and gets to eat them in open court!]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Sounds like a high paid govt employed engineer got outed for being a village idiot that the village pays for!  </p>
<p>Mirror mirror on the wall,,, Who&#8217;s the best in all the land?  yadayadayadayada!</p>
<p>I hope that Lacy is ripping open his own can of worms and gets to eat them in open court!</p>
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		<title>By: Nathania Johnson</title>
		<link>http://www.theagitator.com/2011/02/04/looks-to-me-like-youve-done-some-unlicensed-figurin-here/comment-page-1/#comment-618558</link>
		<dc:creator>Nathania Johnson</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 05 Feb 2011 06:21:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Citizens are generally good at identifying intersections that need stoplights without all the science and engineering. Think about all the news reports of new stoplights being added at such and such intersection when a death occurs from a traffic accident. Always, there are comments from people who live near the intersection who&#039;ve &quot;been saying for years&quot; that they need a stoplight there.

On a local note, Falls of the Neuse is already widened south of this area (has been for decades) and is full of stoplights. The request of the citizens is extremely reasonable and in keeping with what already exists along this road.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Citizens are generally good at identifying intersections that need stoplights without all the science and engineering. Think about all the news reports of new stoplights being added at such and such intersection when a death occurs from a traffic accident. Always, there are comments from people who live near the intersection who&#8217;ve &#8220;been saying for years&#8221; that they need a stoplight there.</p>
<p>On a local note, Falls of the Neuse is already widened south of this area (has been for decades) and is full of stoplights. The request of the citizens is extremely reasonable and in keeping with what already exists along this road.</p>
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		<title>By: Michael Chaney</title>
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		<dc:creator>Michael Chaney</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 05 Feb 2011 06:13:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[There&#039;s now a good followup over at Instapundit.  The story gets worse (but predictable) as the state has a chance to back away and instead circles the wagons.

http://pajamasmedia.com/instapundit/114428/]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>There&#8217;s now a good followup over at Instapundit.  The story gets worse (but predictable) as the state has a chance to back away and instead circles the wagons.</p>
<p><a href="http://pajamasmedia.com/instapundit/114428/" rel="nofollow">http://pajamasmedia.com/instapundit/114428/</a></p>
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		<title>By: Dan</title>
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		<dc:creator>Dan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 05 Feb 2011 03:37:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[&lt;i&gt;Andrew L. Ritter, executive director of the engineers licensing board, said it will take three or four months to investigate Lacy&#039;s allegation against Cox. He said there is a potential for violation if DOT and the public were misled by &quot;engineering-quality work&quot;- even if the authors did not claim to be engineers. &lt;/i&gt;

Wow. Now it&#039;s &quot;xxx-quality&quot; that defines violations.  So if my interior designer is not licensed through ASID and does interior designer-quality work, that is cause for a complaint and investigation.  So what if I am color-blind, does that work count?]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>Andrew L. Ritter, executive director of the engineers licensing board, said it will take three or four months to investigate Lacy&#8217;s allegation against Cox. He said there is a potential for violation if DOT and the public were misled by &#8220;engineering-quality work&#8221;- even if the authors did not claim to be engineers. </i></p>
<p>Wow. Now it&#8217;s &#8220;xxx-quality&#8221; that defines violations.  So if my interior designer is not licensed through ASID and does interior designer-quality work, that is cause for a complaint and investigation.  So what if I am color-blind, does that work count?</p>
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		<title>By: croaker</title>
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		<dc:creator>croaker</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 05 Feb 2011 02:36:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Does it count as &quot;watering&quot; if you do it with the blood of a tyrant?]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Does it count as &#8220;watering&#8221; if you do it with the blood of a tyrant?</p>
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		<title>By: Marlon Perkins</title>
		<link>http://www.theagitator.com/2011/02/04/looks-to-me-like-youve-done-some-unlicensed-figurin-here/comment-page-1/#comment-618129</link>
		<dc:creator>Marlon Perkins</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 05 Feb 2011 02:08:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Hey!  It ain&#039;t FIGURIN&#039;, y&#039;ignramus.  It&#039;s CYPHERIN&#039;!]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hey!  It ain&#8217;t FIGURIN&#8217;, y&#8217;ignramus.  It&#8217;s CYPHERIN&#8217;!</p>
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		<title>By: c andrew</title>
		<link>http://www.theagitator.com/2011/02/04/looks-to-me-like-youve-done-some-unlicensed-figurin-here/comment-page-1/#comment-618117</link>
		<dc:creator>c andrew</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 05 Feb 2011 02:02:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Actually, JP illustrates that brevity IS the soul of wit. Kudos!]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Actually, JP illustrates that brevity IS the soul of wit. Kudos!</p>
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		<title>By: c andrew</title>
		<link>http://www.theagitator.com/2011/02/04/looks-to-me-like-youve-done-some-unlicensed-figurin-here/comment-page-1/#comment-618115</link>
		<dc:creator>c andrew</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 05 Feb 2011 02:01:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Or, for that matter, a licensed tree-waterer. The water board says that for advocating unlicensed watering you shall be subject to water boarding. Or water boring. or something. Hell, I&#039;m a buttrocrat and I don&#039;t know what the hell I&#039;m talking about.

(Re-inserts head now. Shuts up.)]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Or, for that matter, a licensed tree-waterer. The water board says that for advocating unlicensed watering you shall be subject to water boarding. Or water boring. or something. Hell, I&#8217;m a buttrocrat and I don&#8217;t know what the hell I&#8217;m talking about.</p>
<p>(Re-inserts head now. Shuts up.)</p>
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		<title>By: Judas Peckerwood</title>
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		<dc:creator>Judas Peckerwood</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 05 Feb 2011 01:52:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[That&#039;s a completely out-of-bounds comment, croaker. You are NOT a licensed landscaper.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>That&#8217;s a completely out-of-bounds comment, croaker. You are NOT a licensed landscaper.</p>
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		<title>By: Nick T.</title>
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		<dc:creator>Nick T.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 05 Feb 2011 00:21:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Just.... come on.... this... this has to be a joke right?  Please?

I think I quit.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Just&#8230;. come on&#8230;. this&#8230; this has to be a joke right?  Please?</p>
<p>I think I quit.</p>
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		<title>By: thorn</title>
		<link>http://www.theagitator.com/2011/02/04/looks-to-me-like-youve-done-some-unlicensed-figurin-here/comment-page-1/#comment-617599</link>
		<dc:creator>thorn</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 04 Feb 2011 23:21:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I&#039;m reminded of people being prevented from setting up an Interior Design business unless they&#039;ve been issued a license from the Interior Design Cartel.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m reminded of people being prevented from setting up an Interior Design business unless they&#8217;ve been issued a license from the Interior Design Cartel.</p>
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		<title>By: OBTC</title>
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		<dc:creator>OBTC</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 04 Feb 2011 22:40:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Anyone game for NATIONAL public ridicule?

Search Results for: First Name - &#039;Kevin&#039; AND Last Name - &#039;Lacy&#039;

https://apps.dot.state.nc.us/dot/directory/default.aspx]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Anyone game for NATIONAL public ridicule?</p>
<p>Search Results for: First Name &#8211; &#8216;Kevin&#8217; AND Last Name &#8211; &#8216;Lacy&#8217;</p>
<p><a href="https://apps.dot.state.nc.us/dot/directory/default.aspx" rel="nofollow">https://apps.dot.state.nc.us/dot/directory/default.aspx</a></p>
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		<title>By: the innominate one</title>
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		<dc:creator>the innominate one</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 04 Feb 2011 22:38:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Yo, fuck Kevin Lacy.

Also, chuchundra ftw!]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yo, fuck Kevin Lacy.</p>
<p>Also, chuchundra ftw!</p>
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