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	<title>Comments on: You&#8217;ll Stick With Your Crappy School, and You&#8217;ll Like It</title>
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		<title>By: Mathew Crawford</title>
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		<dc:creator>Mathew Crawford</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 27 Jan 2011 21:23:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Nobody seems to be asking the question as to how all this got started.

Maybe there was a tiny bit of extra money spent in the educational process, but state and federal funding would be essentially the same for each school in which these kids might attend, right?  Where is the cause to have over a hundred families (correct me if I heard that wrong) investigated using taxpayer money?  And who wins?  Is this just a boondoggle with a handy excuse, desire for racial segregation, or something else?  An attack on school choice?  Or is my intuition wrong and the money spent will be recovered in decreased &quot;fraud&quot;?]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Nobody seems to be asking the question as to how all this got started.</p>
<p>Maybe there was a tiny bit of extra money spent in the educational process, but state and federal funding would be essentially the same for each school in which these kids might attend, right?  Where is the cause to have over a hundred families (correct me if I heard that wrong) investigated using taxpayer money?  And who wins?  Is this just a boondoggle with a handy excuse, desire for racial segregation, or something else?  An attack on school choice?  Or is my intuition wrong and the money spent will be recovered in decreased &#8220;fraud&#8221;?</p>
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		<title>By: QuietWatcher</title>
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		<dc:creator>QuietWatcher</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 27 Jan 2011 17:08:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[#62 Right on!!! That&#039;s what I was trying to say in my clumsy, pissed of way. I should have the right to opt out my intelligent, mechanically inclined kid who is not doing well in the public school system and that money could be better spent on a kid who excels at the public school systems idea of learning. Not all kids learn the same things in the same way. I told the teachers (who don&#039;t like me at all BTW) at the last conference I went to that the ONLY thing I need them to teach my kid is how to count money and the rest is extraneous bullshit. If a kid is good at something in particular shouldn&#039;t we be teaching to that strength? President Obama said our education system needs to catch up to the times and the technology right? Well I challenge him and the rest of us to REALLY make that change. If there&#039;s something you want or need to know, don&#039;t you just google it? There will always be people who love knowledge and learning who will put that knowledge out there for others to find. Free my child and his self esteem from your bullshit system.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>#62 Right on!!! That&#8217;s what I was trying to say in my clumsy, pissed of way. I should have the right to opt out my intelligent, mechanically inclined kid who is not doing well in the public school system and that money could be better spent on a kid who excels at the public school systems idea of learning. Not all kids learn the same things in the same way. I told the teachers (who don&#8217;t like me at all BTW) at the last conference I went to that the ONLY thing I need them to teach my kid is how to count money and the rest is extraneous bullshit. If a kid is good at something in particular shouldn&#8217;t we be teaching to that strength? President Obama said our education system needs to catch up to the times and the technology right? Well I challenge him and the rest of us to REALLY make that change. If there&#8217;s something you want or need to know, don&#8217;t you just google it? There will always be people who love knowledge and learning who will put that knowledge out there for others to find. Free my child and his self esteem from your bullshit system.</p>
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		<title>By: RWW</title>
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		<dc:creator>RWW</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 27 Jan 2011 05:37:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[&lt;i&gt;...it is not right to force someone to pay for goods they do not receive...&lt;/i&gt;

Beyond that, it is not right to force someone to receive goods. Compulsory schooling is morally bankrupt and close to useless, even in the best school districts.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>&#8230;it is not right to force someone to pay for goods they do not receive&#8230;</i></p>
<p>Beyond that, it is not right to force someone to receive goods. Compulsory schooling is morally bankrupt and close to useless, even in the best school districts.</p>
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		<title>By: RWW</title>
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		<dc:creator>RWW</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 27 Jan 2011 05:30:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[&lt;I&gt;...our community’s decision to levy additional taxes on ourselves...&lt;/I&gt;

Ah, the weird schizophrenia of statism.

&lt;I&gt;I cannot believe that a bunch of libertarians accept the idea that people who do not contribute to a system are entitled to benefits from that system.&lt;/I&gt;

It&#039;s not entitlement. It&#039;s just the tiniest feeling of joy at seeing someone throw a small wrench into your system of thievery.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>&#8230;our community’s decision to levy additional taxes on ourselves&#8230;</i></p>
<p>Ah, the weird schizophrenia of statism.</p>
<p><i>I cannot believe that a bunch of libertarians accept the idea that people who do not contribute to a system are entitled to benefits from that system.</i></p>
<p>It&#8217;s not entitlement. It&#8217;s just the tiniest feeling of joy at seeing someone throw a small wrench into your system of thievery.</p>
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		<title>By: RWW</title>
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		<dc:creator>RWW</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 27 Jan 2011 05:21:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[&lt;I&gt;Privatization is not the answer, the choice once again goes to people with means...&lt;/I&gt;

I suppose food and shelter should also be completely socialized, eh? After all, we wouldn&#039;t want people with means to get better food and houses.

Robbing a robber is no real crime. The only shame here is that she was caught.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>Privatization is not the answer, the choice once again goes to people with means&#8230;</i></p>
<p>I suppose food and shelter should also be completely socialized, eh? After all, we wouldn&#8217;t want people with means to get better food and houses.</p>
<p>Robbing a robber is no real crime. The only shame here is that she was caught.</p>
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		<title>By: Pete Heureux</title>
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		<dc:creator>Pete Heureux</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 27 Jan 2011 03:19:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[The moral argument played out between Bob and Kukulkan is emotionally compelling but ultimately arises from falling on one particular side of the fundamental question; is involuntary taxation morally just?  If you fall on the side that creates justification for forcing property owners (for instance) to fund community schooling then the argument over who goes to what school is just one of an endless stream &#039;local&#039; battles distracting us from the consequences of our original choice (forced taxation).  If, however, you fall on the side that says that it is not right to force others to pay for things they do not themselves directly use then this argument is a waste of your time and passion.  If someone was intractable on the core issue they are not going to be more understanding in an argument over the consequences of their original action. 

Those who believe it is not right to force someone to pay for goods they do not receive should stop helping to try to keep the spinning plate of our economic system balanced for just one more day.  Spend your time figuring how to get OFF the plate (it can be done!) and leave the &#039;taxers&#039; to it.

The practical method for the mom in this case would have been to take full responsibility for the education of her children and leave the school system to fend for itself.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The moral argument played out between Bob and Kukulkan is emotionally compelling but ultimately arises from falling on one particular side of the fundamental question; is involuntary taxation morally just?  If you fall on the side that creates justification for forcing property owners (for instance) to fund community schooling then the argument over who goes to what school is just one of an endless stream &#8216;local&#8217; battles distracting us from the consequences of our original choice (forced taxation).  If, however, you fall on the side that says that it is not right to force others to pay for things they do not themselves directly use then this argument is a waste of your time and passion.  If someone was intractable on the core issue they are not going to be more understanding in an argument over the consequences of their original action. </p>
<p>Those who believe it is not right to force someone to pay for goods they do not receive should stop helping to try to keep the spinning plate of our economic system balanced for just one more day.  Spend your time figuring how to get OFF the plate (it can be done!) and leave the &#8216;taxers&#8217; to it.</p>
<p>The practical method for the mom in this case would have been to take full responsibility for the education of her children and leave the school system to fend for itself.</p>
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		<title>By: Kukulkan</title>
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		<dc:creator>Kukulkan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 27 Jan 2011 02:05:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Bob at #35:

&lt;blockquote&gt;My town’s school system rocks because of the commitment of the community.

I seriously doubt that. Rather, I think your town’s school system rocks because your town is full of affluent people. This affluence produces the money for a small subsection of your town to lobby for spending it on schools.
&lt;/blockquote&gt;
Bob?  Don&#039;t you think that our community&#039;s decision to levy additional taxes on ourselves shows a commitment from the community?  

Verdon at #41
&lt;blockquote&gt;I sure hope your kid is getting a better education in regards to reading comprehension that [sic] you did. The grandfather of the kids lived in the school district.&lt;/blockquote&gt;
Umm, Verdon, that&#039;s the grandfather, not the student.  If the community wanted grandparents to satisfy residency requirements, it could easily do so, but it did not.  I wonder why the community did not do this?  Hmm, average family has 2.5 children.  So, average grandfather has 6.25 grandchildren.  Do you see the problem yet?  What about a second cousin twice removed?  

I cannot believe that a bunch of libertarians accept the idea that people who do not contribute to a system are entitled to benefits from that system.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Bob at #35:</p>
<blockquote><p>My town’s school system rocks because of the commitment of the community.</p>
<p>I seriously doubt that. Rather, I think your town’s school system rocks because your town is full of affluent people. This affluence produces the money for a small subsection of your town to lobby for spending it on schools.
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<p>Bob?  Don&#8217;t you think that our community&#8217;s decision to levy additional taxes on ourselves shows a commitment from the community?  </p>
<p>Verdon at #41</p>
<blockquote><p>I sure hope your kid is getting a better education in regards to reading comprehension that [sic] you did. The grandfather of the kids lived in the school district.</p></blockquote>
<p>Umm, Verdon, that&#8217;s the grandfather, not the student.  If the community wanted grandparents to satisfy residency requirements, it could easily do so, but it did not.  I wonder why the community did not do this?  Hmm, average family has 2.5 children.  So, average grandfather has 6.25 grandchildren.  Do you see the problem yet?  What about a second cousin twice removed?  </p>
<p>I cannot believe that a bunch of libertarians accept the idea that people who do not contribute to a system are entitled to benefits from that system.</p>
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		<title>By: bbartlog</title>
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		<dc:creator>bbartlog</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 26 Jan 2011 21:39:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Doesn&#039;t the judge have the power to actually set aside a guilty verdict? I&#039;m not an expert (maybe the judge has to have one of some particular small set of reasons to do this) but I&#039;ve heard of it happening before.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Doesn&#8217;t the judge have the power to actually set aside a guilty verdict? I&#8217;m not an expert (maybe the judge has to have one of some particular small set of reasons to do this) but I&#8217;ve heard of it happening before.</p>
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		<title>By: demize!</title>
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		<dc:creator>demize!</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 26 Jan 2011 19:35:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Well than the law is an ass. There is no &quot;justice&quot; in a pedantic, iniquitous application of said law. Especially if it isn&#039;t applied in a consistent fashion. Although that wouldn&#039;t make it any more just.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Well than the law is an ass. There is no &#8220;justice&#8221; in a pedantic, iniquitous application of said law. Especially if it isn&#8217;t applied in a consistent fashion. Although that wouldn&#8217;t make it any more just.</p>
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		<title>By: Omri</title>
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		<dc:creator>Omri</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 26 Jan 2011 18:59:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Here&#039;s one example:

&quot;
I live in Copley and PAY my property tax sohe kids of Copley can go to school. NOT GHETTO TRASH. I don&#039;t care if she thinks she was doing best for her kids. She stole from every person in Copley that pays taxes. I do ...not pay my taxes for her kids to go to school and they have no right going to school there

SHE NEEDS TO TO TO JAIL FOR A WHILE. GIVE HER THE MAX TERM!! What a crook and go back to Akron, oh wait jail!&quot;

Stay classy, Ohio. Stay classy.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Here&#8217;s one example:</p>
<p>&#8221;<br />
I live in Copley and PAY my property tax sohe kids of Copley can go to school. NOT GHETTO TRASH. I don&#8217;t care if she thinks she was doing best for her kids. She stole from every person in Copley that pays taxes. I do &#8230;not pay my taxes for her kids to go to school and they have no right going to school there</p>
<p>SHE NEEDS TO TO TO JAIL FOR A WHILE. GIVE HER THE MAX TERM!! What a crook and go back to Akron, oh wait jail!&#8221;</p>
<p>Stay classy, Ohio. Stay classy.</p>
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		<title>By: Omri</title>
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		<dc:creator>Omri</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 26 Jan 2011 18:30:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[If you truly want to be nauseated, read the comments on Ohio.com about this story. The commenters there even go as far as to refer to the two kids as &quot;ghetto trash.&quot; And from what I&#039;ve seen of Ohio, I am not overly surprised.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>If you truly want to be nauseated, read the comments on Ohio.com about this story. The commenters there even go as far as to refer to the two kids as &#8220;ghetto trash.&#8221; And from what I&#8217;ve seen of Ohio, I am not overly surprised.</p>
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		<title>By: Plinko</title>
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		<dc:creator>Plinko</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 26 Jan 2011 18:28:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I don&#039;t think there&#039;s a single person in this thread defending any harsh punishment. 

Some of us think the case in question is one of overprosecution of what ought to be considered a very minor offense. Others think this is a case of extreme government coercion vis a vis public school districting enforced by statist district attorneys. 

If you&#039;re a minarchist, I can see how you&#039;re outraged by the prosecution, but I think you need to admit that in the world you wish for, there also wouldn&#039;t be the &quot;good&quot; school district for these kids to go to, either.

If you&#039;re more federalist, I&#039;m not sure how you square the circle of championing more local/state control of schools with the expectation of free movement among schools as some kind of fundamental right. Allowing parents to move students around like that requires a top-down management at higher levels (state or even federal) to make decisions on allocating resources to match up to where students will actually go which inevitably requires that the most critical decisions are no longer made locally. You&#039;re saying that the citizens of a city/town don&#039;t have the right to local determination! 

Finally, the whole relative issue is a poor excuse. Obviously her father does not deserve any prosecution in my mind, but the idea that you&#039;re owed the services of a locality because a relative does live there is silly. If you want your kids to go to those schools move there (swap houses with your dad!), establish co-guardianship or pay for private schools you do want your kids to go to.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I don&#8217;t think there&#8217;s a single person in this thread defending any harsh punishment. </p>
<p>Some of us think the case in question is one of overprosecution of what ought to be considered a very minor offense. Others think this is a case of extreme government coercion vis a vis public school districting enforced by statist district attorneys. </p>
<p>If you&#8217;re a minarchist, I can see how you&#8217;re outraged by the prosecution, but I think you need to admit that in the world you wish for, there also wouldn&#8217;t be the &#8220;good&#8221; school district for these kids to go to, either.</p>
<p>If you&#8217;re more federalist, I&#8217;m not sure how you square the circle of championing more local/state control of schools with the expectation of free movement among schools as some kind of fundamental right. Allowing parents to move students around like that requires a top-down management at higher levels (state or even federal) to make decisions on allocating resources to match up to where students will actually go which inevitably requires that the most critical decisions are no longer made locally. You&#8217;re saying that the citizens of a city/town don&#8217;t have the right to local determination! </p>
<p>Finally, the whole relative issue is a poor excuse. Obviously her father does not deserve any prosecution in my mind, but the idea that you&#8217;re owed the services of a locality because a relative does live there is silly. If you want your kids to go to those schools move there (swap houses with your dad!), establish co-guardianship or pay for private schools you do want your kids to go to.</p>
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		<title>By: random guy</title>
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		<dc:creator>random guy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 26 Jan 2011 17:37:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I love the assholes in this thread: &quot;She defrauded the school district and should be dealt with harshly&quot;. Well so long as were going tit for tat, how about the school districts refund all that tax money they collect from people without kids? 

I believe some kind of public education is essential for a post-industrial society, and as such its cost should partially be shared, partially, by society. It shocks me that people who buy into the idea of public schools could be so fierce in their vilification of a women who was trying to use public goods to educate her children. You want to bitch about how she didn&#039;t pay into the system, then you need to start writing checks to all the single people and childless couples who pay into your kids education. Either put up or shut up.

What you should be asking is: if the disparity in the quality of schools is so great why isn&#039;t the state government working to correct that instead of punishing a women trying to get her kids through the de facto segregation of the system? The states priorities have been seriously misplaced, and regardless of whatever arbitrary laws are written or enforced, what happened in this case is wrong on many levels.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I love the assholes in this thread: &#8220;She defrauded the school district and should be dealt with harshly&#8221;. Well so long as were going tit for tat, how about the school districts refund all that tax money they collect from people without kids? </p>
<p>I believe some kind of public education is essential for a post-industrial society, and as such its cost should partially be shared, partially, by society. It shocks me that people who buy into the idea of public schools could be so fierce in their vilification of a women who was trying to use public goods to educate her children. You want to bitch about how she didn&#8217;t pay into the system, then you need to start writing checks to all the single people and childless couples who pay into your kids education. Either put up or shut up.</p>
<p>What you should be asking is: if the disparity in the quality of schools is so great why isn&#8217;t the state government working to correct that instead of punishing a women trying to get her kids through the de facto segregation of the system? The states priorities have been seriously misplaced, and regardless of whatever arbitrary laws are written or enforced, what happened in this case is wrong on many levels.</p>
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		<title>By: pam</title>
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		<dc:creator>pam</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 26 Jan 2011 16:25:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Zargon @27
&quot;because “me-first” action is basically the foundation of evolution&quot;

maybe cooperation is the foundation of evolution and those are the groups that survived.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Zargon @27<br />
&#8220;because “me-first” action is basically the foundation of evolution&#8221;</p>
<p>maybe cooperation is the foundation of evolution and those are the groups that survived.</p>
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		<title>By: pam</title>
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		<dc:creator>pam</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 26 Jan 2011 16:20:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I got mine, you get yours]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I got mine, you get yours</p>
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		<title>By: ALowe</title>
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		<dc:creator>ALowe</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 26 Jan 2011 16:01:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[As a childless taxpayer in a nice suburb with good schools, I don&#039;t have any problem with what this mother is doing. I pay the same property taxes that my neighbors with multiple kids pay, and more income tax. I have to pay to educate other people&#039;s kids anyway, and quite frankly I&#039;d rather have my tax dollars help a less privileged kid get a better education than fund a free ride for some rich kid who doesn&#039;t need my help in the first place. It&#039;s my money, I&#039;m paying for it, and as long as I&#039;m being forced to, I&#039;ve got no problem letting someone else get my money&#039;s worth for me.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>As a childless taxpayer in a nice suburb with good schools, I don&#8217;t have any problem with what this mother is doing. I pay the same property taxes that my neighbors with multiple kids pay, and more income tax. I have to pay to educate other people&#8217;s kids anyway, and quite frankly I&#8217;d rather have my tax dollars help a less privileged kid get a better education than fund a free ride for some rich kid who doesn&#8217;t need my help in the first place. It&#8217;s my money, I&#8217;m paying for it, and as long as I&#8217;m being forced to, I&#8217;ve got no problem letting someone else get my money&#8217;s worth for me.</p>
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		<title>By: CyniCAl</title>
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		<dc:creator>CyniCAl</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 26 Jan 2011 15:55:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[”Of course, I can’t put a gun to anybody’s head and force the state to offer a plea bargain.”… -- Judge Cosgrove

I don&#039;t think she understands the nature of the State.  What a strange person.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>”Of course, I can’t put a gun to anybody’s head and force the state to offer a plea bargain.”… &#8212; Judge Cosgrove</p>
<p>I don&#8217;t think she understands the nature of the State.  What a strange person.</p>
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		<title>By: albatross</title>
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		<dc:creator>albatross</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 26 Jan 2011 15:04:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[QuietWatcher:

I gather there&#039;s pretty good evidence that a lot of the difference in school performance, both inside the US and between nations, has to do with student quality.  That is:

a.  Put all the rich kids in school A and the poor kids in school B, and A looks like a much better-run school than B, even if they&#039;re funded and staffed in the same way.

b.  Put all the white and Asian kids in school A and all the black and hispanic kids in school B, and again, A looks like a much better school.

c.  Put all the kids whose parents went to college in school A and the other kids in school B, and A will look like a much better school than B.

And so on.  In the modern US, it&#039;s rightly not acceptable to segregate kids by race.  And yet, by the mechanism of higher house prices in neighborhoods with better schools, we absolutely do segregate kids by parental income, which tracks pretty well with race (whites tend to be richer than blacks), and also accounts for a lot of potential problems in your students&#039; environments (the single mom with three jobs who doesn&#039;t speak English probably doesn&#039;t make enough to live in a good school district, so her inability to help with her kids&#039; homework won&#039;t bring down the test scores).]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>QuietWatcher:</p>
<p>I gather there&#8217;s pretty good evidence that a lot of the difference in school performance, both inside the US and between nations, has to do with student quality.  That is:</p>
<p>a.  Put all the rich kids in school A and the poor kids in school B, and A looks like a much better-run school than B, even if they&#8217;re funded and staffed in the same way.</p>
<p>b.  Put all the white and Asian kids in school A and all the black and hispanic kids in school B, and again, A looks like a much better school.</p>
<p>c.  Put all the kids whose parents went to college in school A and the other kids in school B, and A will look like a much better school than B.</p>
<p>And so on.  In the modern US, it&#8217;s rightly not acceptable to segregate kids by race.  And yet, by the mechanism of higher house prices in neighborhoods with better schools, we absolutely do segregate kids by parental income, which tracks pretty well with race (whites tend to be richer than blacks), and also accounts for a lot of potential problems in your students&#8217; environments (the single mom with three jobs who doesn&#8217;t speak English probably doesn&#8217;t make enough to live in a good school district, so her inability to help with her kids&#8217; homework won&#8217;t bring down the test scores).</p>
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		<title>By: ParatrooperJJ</title>
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		<dc:creator>ParatrooperJJ</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 26 Jan 2011 14:31:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[All she had to do was share custody with the father and it would have been legal.  She defrauded the school district of tax dollars and should be delt with harshly.  She did it with full knowledge that it was illegal.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>All she had to do was share custody with the father and it would have been legal.  She defrauded the school district of tax dollars and should be delt with harshly.  She did it with full knowledge that it was illegal.</p>
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		<title>By: QuietWatcher</title>
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		<dc:creator>QuietWatcher</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 26 Jan 2011 14:19:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[The public school system in this country is fucked up beyond belief!! In last night&#039;s State of the Union address our President mentioned that China and India have better rates of high school graduates and more kids who go on to college. I have a simple question then, why the fuck don&#039;t we go see what they&#039;re doing and why it works and do that same shit here? Why can&#039;t our public school system officials accept that our kids are not little fucking robots who all learn the same shit, in the same way? If I want to pull MY son out of school after 8th grade and sign apprenticship papers with him and get him started in the Family owned business instead of wasting his time and everyones money, then why in the hell can&#039;t I do that? Oh shit, my bad! I forgot they fuckin get paid every day my kid is there whether he learns shit or not! Why don&#039;t we teach to our childrens apptitudes and accept that some kids are just not meant for much book learnin? Sorry not really on topic here but I am SO tired of my kid bein stuck in this bullshit system and no one in that system giving a rats ass about my kid, only the money he brings!!! Fix the public school system now!!!]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The public school system in this country is fucked up beyond belief!! In last night&#8217;s State of the Union address our President mentioned that China and India have better rates of high school graduates and more kids who go on to college. I have a simple question then, why the fuck don&#8217;t we go see what they&#8217;re doing and why it works and do that same shit here? Why can&#8217;t our public school system officials accept that our kids are not little fucking robots who all learn the same shit, in the same way? If I want to pull MY son out of school after 8th grade and sign apprenticship papers with him and get him started in the Family owned business instead of wasting his time and everyones money, then why in the hell can&#8217;t I do that? Oh shit, my bad! I forgot they fuckin get paid every day my kid is there whether he learns shit or not! Why don&#8217;t we teach to our childrens apptitudes and accept that some kids are just not meant for much book learnin? Sorry not really on topic here but I am SO tired of my kid bein stuck in this bullshit system and no one in that system giving a rats ass about my kid, only the money he brings!!! Fix the public school system now!!!</p>
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