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Sunday, January 16th, 2011

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  1. #1 |  nospam | 

    “And you continue to persist in your belief that crazy, senseless things can be prevented if just the right steps are taken. Bullshit.”

    Jesus H Christ. The pigs are actively blaming people who had nothing to do with this when they knew about the head case and did nothing. Fuck, they didn’t even try and instead are pointing fingers and asking for more laws instead. I’m pointing out their hypocrisy.

  2. #2 |  Big Texan | 

    On the Fox story, and I can’t believe no has said it yet. Rule #2, Double Tap

  3. #3 |  Joe | 

    Wow, you are just another partisan scumbag. I talk about people being gunned down out of the blue, and you equate their families’ suffering with your TEAM RED cheerleaders.

    As if anyone pol or pundit on the right thought was Loughner did was good. We were all horrified by it. And obviously a famly suffering the lost of a loved one is far worse than being falsely accused in the media. Another false statement from you. Nevertheless, I do not appreicate is when liars like you try to make political hay from such a horrible crime and blame people who had NOTHING to do with with a murder in Tucson, Arizona. If you disagree with their politics, fine. But do not lie about them. Partisan scumbag? That would be you Espiarch.

  4. #4 |  Bambam | 

    “Psychological evaluation” has been used by many tyrants as a tool to lock up those whose ideas do not agree with the regime. There are legitimate times to evaluate someone, but this country also has a long and sordid history of using this tactic for the wrong moral purposes. With the current state of affairs, everyone afraid of their shadow, police more than willing to KILL you for not prostrating them — I predict we will see a sharp increase in “psych eval holds” on people that have done nothing wrong, but were “evaluated” because someone got “spooked” – meaning people will use it as a tool of revenge because those that carry the act out have no obligation to determine if it’s a legitimate concern because there are no consequences. “Hey, we can’t be too safe.” “Do it for the children.” “Just doing my job and enforcing the law, I have no responsibility to judge the morality of my actions”.

  5. #5 |  Episiarch | 

    I do not appreicate is when liars like you try to make political hay from such a horrible crime and blame people who had NOTHING to do with with a murder in Tucson

    I never did, you partisan moron. You’re so caught up in your TEAM RED TEAM BLUE bullshit that if I criticize you, I must be on the other TEAM, right? Partisanship doesn’t just make you stupid; it makes you amazingly fucking stupid.

    Partisan scumbag? That would be you Espiarch.

    Fucking projection; how does it work?

  6. #6 |  Paulie | 

    Regarding the last item see
    Maryland Greens and Libertarians hand in signatures; petitioners harassed, one arrested at public library

  7. #7 |  Joe | 

    Episiarch, what ever team you think you are one really does not matter, you are partisan and your own words show that. You are also arguing in bad faith. You discredit any group you claim to belong too.

  8. #8 |  Episiarch | 

    you are partisan and your own words show that

    Your squirming amuses me, partisan. It is the inevitable fallback of every rabid partisan I’ve ever encountered, when it is pointed out to them that they are rabid partisans, to become Towelie and say “you’re a towel partisan!”

    And the best part is you don’t even seem to understand how pathetic that is.

  9. #9 |  Helmut O' Hooligan | 

    RE: Tuscon death threat story:

    “Fuller took a picture of Humphries, and said, ‘You’re dead’.”

    It is very sad. The charges are appropriate though. Case closed. He made a death threat to a specific person and emphasized his seriousness by taking a photograph of that person. The person he directed the threat to no doubt had reason to fear that he might be subjected to death or great bodily harm. That sucks, but Mr. Fuller need to understand that more threats and more death are not going to improve the situation in this country. If he doesn’t believe that, he should ask average citizens in Gaza or Belfast how a continual cycle of violence and retaliatory violence works out for a community or country.

  10. #10 |  Marty | 

    #58 | Episiarch

    ever consider decaf?

  11. #11 |  Episiarch | 

    Do you have a point, Marty?

  12. #12 |  ktc2 | 


    To paraphrase something I heard once:

    The world’s greatest psychiatrist poking around in your mind is as accurate as your corner mechanic poking around under the hood of your car, if the mechanic were blindfolded with one hand tied behind his back and a large foam #1 sports fan finger taped on his free hand.

  13. #13 |  luvzbob | 

    …the continuing slandering of the right by the left,…

    Or the bigger continuing slandering of the left by falsely claiming they are slandering the right.

  14. #14 |  Marty | 

    you just seem a little excitable…

  15. #15 |  Episiarch | 

    So, no point. Got it.

  16. #16 |  Paulie | 

    Andy posted this in the IPR thread

    “There was another court ruling in Maryland which backed up free speech activities at public venues, that is Acorn vs. the Maryland Transit Authority (or MTA). Acorn is a group that does voter registration drives and their people were being run out of Maryland transit stops by the police and MTA workers. So they sued the MTA. The ACLU of Maryland took their case and they ended up winning.

    There was also a case out of Nebraska called Groene vs. Seng which I testified in (in the form of a written deposition) that was decided in federal court. Our side (the petition circulators) won that case, and the court ruling specifically mentions libraries as being fair game for petition signature gathering.

    Given that their were two relavent court rulings out of Maryland, plus the US Supreme Court ruling mentioned above and the federal court ruling Groene vs. Seng, and also considering that the Deputy Executive Director of the Howard County library system had already acknowledged that we had a legal right to be there, I figured that this issue had already been decided in our favor.

    This is why I said that I’d wait and talk to the police. I figured that talking to them would clear things up. The police had no interest in listening to anything that I had to say or in reading the papers that I had or in even bothering to call their headquarters so they could look into anything that I had to say. These two police officers were highly unprofessional. The proper police procedure is that they are supposed to do an investigation. If these police officers had been doing their jobs properly they would have investigated what I had to say and they would have also observed me gathering signatures to see if I was actually doing anything wrong. They did not bother to do either. An attorney that I spoke to said that these police officers cleraly did not follow proper procedures.

    I clearly told them that I was going to leave (even though they had no legal or moral right to tell me that I had to do this) but I told them that I wanted to have some documentation of them telling me that I had to leave so that I could present it to an attorney if necessary. Since they did not give me anything in writing telling me that I had to leave I told them that I wanted to record them on the video camera on my cell phone telling me that I had to leave and that I would leave after that.

    It was AFTER I started trying to record them telling me that I had to leave that the police Sargent tried to rip the phone out of my hand. I held on to my phone because I did not want it to get smashed (it would have cost me over $100 to replace) and I tried to get it back in my phone case and just as I got it back in its case the police Sargent sprayed pepper spray in my eyes.

    The actions of the two police officers and the librarian were blatantly unconstitutional. They should all be fired from their jobs. I’m going to fight this charge and I’m going to pursue legal action against them.”

  17. #17 |  Joe | 

    Episiarch, I assume you are a partisan. A partisan only means you take a position on something. Nothing wrong with that. You may call yourself libertarian, but your arguments seem to lean to the left. Whatever. You are entitled to whatever view you want to argue. You can be a partisan without lying about those who disagree with you. When you do lie, or support those who do, don’t be surprised if we call you on it.

  18. #18 |  Gideon Darrow | 

    Court Rejects Claim of a First Amendment Right to Audio-Record Police Officers:

  19. #19 |  Joe | 

    #63 | luvzbob | January 16th, 2011 at 6:50 pm
    …the continuing slandering of the right by the left,…

    Or the bigger continuing slandering of the left by falsely claiming they are slandering the right.

    Oh really. How did Limbaugh, Palin and Levin motivate Jason Loughner? Do you have any evidence of that?

  20. #20 |  Dave Krueger | 

    #68 Gideon Darrow

    Court Rejects Claim of a First Amendment Right to Audio-Record Police Officers

    So, does this mean that the press no longer has the right to film and record officers in the process of reporting the news in Illinois?

    If this holds up, I guaran-goddamn-ty you that all 50 states will outlaw recording the cops.

  21. #21 |  ktc2 | 

    Well, they have to don’t they?

    It’s the only way the status quo can continue.

  22. #22 |  CyniCAl | 

    #35 | Joe | January 16th, 2011 at 1:42 pm
    CyniCAl: “The law is the law. I’ve been told a million times here that if you don’t like a law, work to change it.”

    Joe: “Okay. Isn’t complaining about a law you disagree with the first step? You are the one who called them crazy. Maybe you support statist King County’s rules and regulations. If that is your position, fair enough, but that someone disagrees does not make them crazy. Some of us get why this family is upset.”

    Complaining is not the same thing as working to change something. And you have me confused with someone else — I never wrote that I thought the family was crazy. Take it back, sir.

  23. #23 |  CyniCAl | 

    Saw your retraction at #39, Joe. Thank you.

  24. #24 |  CyniCAl | 

    Of course I get it Joe, I forgot to put the sarcasm href tags. My point was that being for the State, for whatever miniscue law and order it provides, removes the moral standing to criticize it — one cannot pick and choose, it’s a package deal.

    With the “security” one gets wrong-door raids, intrusive nanny-statism, wholesale civil liberties violations, rampant taxation, and on and on and on. There’s no such thing as a minarchy. One cannot pick and choose. The only way to rein in the beast of the State is to starve it — of attention, of funding, of legitimacy, by walking away from it and living a non-violent life.

  25. #25 |  CyniCAl | 

    #68 | Gideon Darrow | January 16th, 2011 at 9:17 pm
    Court Rejects Claim of a First Amendment Right to Audio-Record Police Officers:

    On first reading, and IANAL, it appears that people who interact directly with police officers in Illinois may still have standing to challenge the state law against wiretapping, but not a 3rd-party such as the ACLU. That leaves the door open to overturn the law.

  26. #26 |  Joe | 

    Cynical, less is more.

    I am not a complete anarchist like you, so yeah I am a pick and chooser. The state can be a beast, so can the mob. But to the extent we have a state, I would assume it be as small as possible.

    But if the world was full of people like you we might be able to pull it off anarchy. Unfortunately not all are like you.

  27. #27 |  CyniCAl | 

    Thanks for your confidence in me Joe. I wish you and all who believe that they can blunt State power the best. Romanticism is a uniquely human quality — no other living creature exhibits it to my knowledge. Keep trying.

    Years ago, and it has been years, I wouldn’t have believed that The Agitator could be effective in shining such a potent public light on police abuse, and now it is mildly encouraging. But it is important to know that for every attack against it, moderately successful or otherwise, the dynamic State has virtually infinite resources to counter-attack, and is strengthened in the process.

    There’s nothing in the world — nothing — that focuses the State or feeds it more satisfyingly than a direct challenge to its sovereignty. Direct challenge can only end three ways: destruction (e.g., John Brown’s Raid), co-option (e.g., the Civil Rights Movement), or successful overthrow, in which the old boss is replaced by an identical new boss and the cycle begins anew.

    Another strategy must be adopted or the only thing achieved is playing Einstein’s Insanity Game on a grand scale. As an anarchist, I propose the abandonment of violence. Alas, as you and many, many others have beaten into me over the years, and which I finally agree to, human nature is an insurmountable barrier to this strategy.

    That leaves Einstein’s Insanity Game as the only option for those who choose to remain in society. This reduces the work of The Agitator and like-minded individuals to complaining that other people (State agents and apologists and beneficiaries) play the game better.

    But in the end, all anyone can do is talk to one another. This is what it’s all about — the human need for catharsis. I guess as long as people are talking, they’re probably not shooting. About as much as one could expect from hyper-cerebral apes with a penchant for tool-making.

    Really, in the end, don’t humans just expect too much from one another?

  28. #28 |  celticdragonchick | 

    Who’s the idiot at ABC News who thought it would be a good idea to put the shooting victims and a bunch of Tea Party people in the same room a week after the shooting?

    I have to agree.

    Not smart. Emotions were bound to be running high and things would be said that we all wish were not. The producers are frakking idiots.

  29. #29 |  Joe | 

    But in the end, all anyone can do is talk to one another. This is what it’s all about — the human need for catharsis. I guess as long as people are talking, they’re probably not shooting. About as much as one could expect from hyper-cerebral apes with a penchant for tool-making.

    Human nature is a hurdle. Then again we managed to domesticate lowly yeast, first by accident and then refined its use over time through a blend of art and then science, which I would propose is one of mankind’s greatest acheivements.

  30. #30 |  Mike T | 

    All of you who are calling for people to be locked up involuntarily for 72 hours because their behavior is “strange” are showing your authoritarian colors. If you don’t think this would be abused beyond belief, you are either naive or just don’t care.

    Then what are you going to do to elevate the ability of private citizens to defend themselves? Are you willing to make a death threat tantamount to a use of force?

  31. #31 |  Joe | 

    I worked as a volunteer at Belevue in New York (both the emergency department and the psych ward). This is not scientific, but what 72 hour detentions that came in all seemed justified. And what I saw in those circumstances was kindness and trying to get people to calm down, not One Flew Over The Cuckoo’s Nest.

    I am not a proponent of the 72 hour detention. It should only be sparringly used. But there are times that it is necessary and is often better alternative than having someone hauled to county jail.

  32. #32 |  QuietWatcher | 

    Re: the $50.00 death tax story. Are you fucking kidding me King County? I am embarrassed that I live in WA (not in King County, Thank the Diety!) NO ONE, and I mean NO ONE, has the right to judge those parents, and to anyone who does, Fuck You!!! Unless you’ve been in their position, take your mothers advice and don’t say anything at all!
    Re: the tragedy in AR. Bad shit happens. Bad shit has happened before and bad shit will happen again. We can’t start locking up people for what they MIGHT do. It sucks but that’s the deal. It’s a horrible catch 22 but it’s part of what we treasure about being Americans.