The Monday Morning Poll

Monday, January 10th, 2011

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41 Responses to “The Monday Morning Poll”

  1. #1 |  josephdietrich | 

    You need an “All of the above” option on your poll. They are all equally stupid.

  2. #2 |  Professor Coldheart | 

    Definitely David Frum. The others are at least tangentially connected (though James Clyburn’s a close second).

  3. #3 |  jac | 

    I agree with needing an all of the above or maybe any blame option. Maybe they should just ask the dude.

  4. #4 |  ChrisD | 

    I think we should be able to rank the stupidity like Baseball Hall of Fame voters. It’s hard not to vote against all of these idiots.

    Krugman’s article today is particularly mendacious. Short version: “I know this guy had mental health problems but this is still the GOP’s fault,” WHILE complaining about the tone of discourse in this country. Perfect.

  5. #5 |  TomG | 

    Wow. Yeah, they are all pretty stupid. I think David Frum must have recently watched the old “Reefer Madness” movie right before his column was due. Seriously, he doesn’t think about the possibility that Lougher was self-medicating? That is more common than many people realize, and if you are already convinced that “drugs are always bad – end of story”, you probably don’t accept the basic idea behind why people might self-medicate. He also offers no solid evidence to back up any of his assertions.

  6. #6 |  TomG | 

    Loughner, not Lougher.

  7. #7 |  mdb | 

    Have to agree with #2, though I went with Clyburn

  8. #8 |  Waste93 | 

    Coldheart – How are the others even tangentially connected? And why isn’t Frum’s comment tangentially connected? A former classmate described him as a ‘left wing pothead’.

    http://blogs.phoenixnewtimes.com/valleyfever/2011/01/jared_loughner_alleged_shooter.php

  9. #9 |  HV | 

    via Boing Boing:
    Why [this tragedy] means that you must support my politics –

    “Many people will use this terrible tragedy as an excuse to put through a political agenda other than my own. This tawdry abuse of human suffering for political gain sickens me to the core of my being. Those people who have different political views from me ought to be ashamed of themselves for thinking of cheap partisan point-scoring at a time like this. In any case, what this tragedy really shows us is that, so far from putting into practice political views other than my own, it is precisely my political agenda which ought to be advanced.

    Not only are my political views vindicated by this terrible tragedy, but also the status of my profession. Furthermore, it is only in the context of a national and international tragedy like this that we are reminded of the very special status of my hobby, and its particular claim to legislative protection. My religious and spiritual views also have much to teach us about the appropriate reaction to these truly terrible events.

    Countries which I like seem to never suffer such tragedies, while countries which, for one reason or another, I dislike, suffer them all the time. The one common factor which seems to explain this has to do with my political views, and it suggests that my political views should be implemented as a matter of urgency, even though they are, as a matter of fact, not implemented in the countries which I like.

    Of course the [attacks] are a uniquely tragic event, and it is vital that we never lose sight of the human tragedy involved. But we must also not lose sight of the fact that I am right on every significant moral and political issue, and everybody ought to agree with me. Please, I ask you as fellow human beings, vote for the political party which I support, and ask your legislators to support policies endorsed by me, as a matter of urgency.”

    http://www.boingboing.net/2011/01/09/why-the-shootings-me-1.html

  10. #10 |  C. S. P. Schofield | 

    I agree with the “They’re ALL morons” position.

  11. #11 |  JThompson | 

    @Waste93: Wow, a former classmate. That definitely beats out my evidence of “Some guy in a bar.”. An entirely different former classmate apparently described him as an ultra-right white supremacist. I suspect they’re both full of crap.

  12. #12 |  Carl Bussjaeger | 

    I’d also like to nominate Carolyn “Shoulder Thingy” McCarthy, D(umbass)-NY for her plan to introduce legislation to ban high-capacity AMMUNITION.

    http://www.politico.com/news/stories/0111/47338.html

  13. #13 |  djm | 

    I went with Clyburn here.

    3 of them are the general overheated rhetoric arguments. I disagree with the violent words = violent actions argument, but it has some traction when we talk about pushing crazies over the edge. Not good traction, but there’s something there.

    Free speech might well be a loser here, but to suggest that conservatives are the “real victims,” as opposed to the real victims, is narrow-minded and stupid.

    The Frum post is more absurd. When someone commits a heinous act, we naturally want to know more about them. Did they play Grand Theft Auto? Death metal? Were they on medication? What were their social groups like? I think Frum is using this tragedy to push his anti-marijuana agenda, but it at least has a tenuous link to the case, so he settles for #2.

    But Clyburn’s comment is bafflingly left-field. What does this massacre have to do with TSA screenings? Are airport checkpoints such violent scenes that it’s worth waving a politician through in order to save the 20 or 30 seconds he would have been exposed? He wasn’t even arguing that there should be more security generally, just a variation of “congresspeople are special.” The lack of a link whatsoever is enough to make him the most ridiculous.

    Also, the “some animals are more equal than others” nature of his comment makes him an early candidate for the 2011 Hoof and Horn Award.

  14. #14 |  Boyd Durkin | 

    Glad to see Clyburn in the lead. Nothing like using a tragedy as an opportunity to complain about an inconvenience in your life. What a douche.

    #9 was AWESOME. You gotta love the theatre.

    I am setting the over/under for days until a “Gifford’s Bill” is introduced at 30 days.

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  16. #16 |  Jesse | 

    I’m guessing the problem was that the guy was *NOT* under the influence of marijuana at the time. On the other hand, it’s clear by his writing that David Frum smokes massive quantaties often.

  17. #17 |  Boyd Durkin | 

    Intro to Carolyn McCarthy: wants to make criminals out of people who possess barrel shrouds. She admitted she didn’t know what it was but thought it might be “a shoulder thing that goes up.” It is actually, basically, a heat shroud for the barrel.

    McCarthy lost her husband (her son was injured) to Colin Ferguson on a commuter train. Excellent for her to get into politics to advocate her position. Part of the problem in that she doesn’t know much about HER FOCUS on gun control.

    Oh by the way, McCarthy is actively working on health care reform (which isn’t exactly “reform” as much as “collectivization”). I cannot imagine she knows much more about HC than she does about guns.

    Representative Democracy, ladies and gentlemen!

  18. #18 |  Buddy Hinton | 

    Did that Safeway have a “no weapons” policy?

  19. #19 |  Veeshir | 

    You left out one option on your poll: calling Hillbuzz a righty blog.

    Because as we all know, Hillary Clinton supporters are part of the VRWC.

    Thanks for the chuckles man.

  20. #20 |  Highway | 

    I like the return of the Sedition Act in the link from #12, Carl:

    Pennsylvania Rep. Robert Brady, a Democrat from Philadelphia, told CNN that he also plans to take legislative action. He will introduce a bill that would make it a crime for anyone to use language or symbols that could be seen as threatening or violent against a federal official, including a member of Congress.

  21. #21 |  Rob in CT | 

    I voted Erickson, but having thought about it for more than .12 seconds, it’s gotta be Clyburn.

  22. #22 |  Rob in CT | 

    Or perhaps “none of the above” and Rep. Robert Brady as a write-in candidate.

  23. #23 |  matt | 

    Left: “It’s the right’s fault!”

    Right: “The shooter read Hitler and Karl Marx; this was clearly a deranged far left-wing socialist.”

  24. #24 |  KristenS | 

    I simply can’t choose between Frum, Brady and Clyburn.

  25. #25 |  Mike M | 

    I think I’ll have to go with Brady. It is the only choice where there is an intent to limit our rights as a result.

    I would have included the sheriff for his comments about “what’s going on in our country” without knowing any of the shooters motivations.

  26. #26 |  Cyto | 

    #19 | Highway |
    I’m with you. The rest of the people are just loudmouth blowhards. This idiot actually has a say in how our country is governed. Anyone who would sign on to such a bill should be run out of congress on a rail by their constituents. And for irony’s sake I should put up a google map with cross hairs on their congressional districts.

  27. #27 |  Carl Bussjaeger | 

    @ #23, Matt, re-“left-wing socialist”

    Another great claim I’ve seen (forgot to bookmark it, dammit) was that he was a “right-wing communist”. Still trying to wrap my brain around that one.

    Brady’s plan to further criminalize criminal threatening is pretty stupid, too. Somebody needs to test the water in DC.

  28. #28 |  JThompson | 

    @matt: I dunno, I’m pretty left and from what I can tell it was a guy that needed medication and therapy and wasn’t getting it. Once someone starts talking about things on the order of intergalactic dragons trying to control our minds through the currency, I don’t think you can really assign them to left or right.

    It appears the tragedy was pretty much apolitical. Unfortunately they’re probably going to use it to curtail civil liberties anyway. There are already calls for laws forcing people to take psychiatric medication whether they want to or not.

    I’d have rather him been from my side of the political spectrum than to give the MSM/fed another bogeyman with which to curtail freedom.

  29. #29 |  Sean L. | 

    From the Bob Brady article:

    “I would rather be safe than sorry.” Yet ANOTHER use of this phrase to limit our rights.

    My favorite:

    “We need to be more civil with each other.” [… or I’ll put you in jail.]

  30. #30 |  SJE | 

    Note to Rep Clyburn:

    since politicians attract violence, Representatives need to undergo MORE intense screening before flying.

  31. #31 |  Mattocracy | 

    I like how so many politicians think we need we need to be civil about them taking away our freedoms and rights or they’ll come after us. The hypocrisy suffocating.

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  33. #33 |  Nick T. | 

    I voted for Frum cuz it’s just so silly, but Brady has actually got to be the worst because a) he actually is an official with power to pass a law, b) is doing more than pontificating on cause and effect and c) is proposing an actual solution that would be so blatantly unconstitutional and truly – though I am uneasy about this term – unamerican that he has to be the winner.

    And that’s all ot say nothing of the thought that cross-hairs on a website contributed much to this incident instead of a) this dude’s own insanity and instability and b) most likely, a host of *comments*, and messages etc. from various leaders/wesbites/psychos.

  34. #34 |  Waste93 | 

    Highway – The House read the US Constitution on the floor last week. Guess Brady missed it. Maybe they should read it every day to open the day.

  35. #35 |  mgd | 

    All quite dumb, but Brady goes beyond running off his pie hole into proposing damaging action. I’m sure we’re all waiting to see what The {Victim’s Name} Act will espouse and how long it will take to make it to the floor. It’s certain to curtail First or Second Amendment rights.

  36. #36 |  Highway | 

    Even if they read the Constitution every single day, it wouldn’t rise to anything more than the level of the Pledge of Allegiance to the Flag of the United States of America is to any public school kid who has to recite it every morning. It would merely be a rote exercise that they have to do, rubbing blue mud in their navels because the locals do it, and you blend in to keep out of trouble.

    “I pleh jallee jince to theflag ofthe Yoo-ni Ted States uvva merica. And tothe republicfor witchit stands…”

  37. #37 |  Medicine Man | 

    I think Bill Hicks said it best, “When have you ever seen potheads starting a fight?” *bzzzt* Try again, Mr. Frum.

  38. #38 |  Mykeru | 

    @JThompson

    “Once someone starts talking about things on the order of intergalactic dragons trying to control our minds through the currency, I don’t think you can really assign them to left or right.”

    Actually, that’s Michelle Bachmann’s base you’re talking about right there.

  39. #39 |  phlinn | 

    As currently published, the redstate piece does not say conservatives will be the real victims. It does, at least semi correctly, complain about the media trying to pin the blame on the right. He was one of my top two until I read the article, although since the criteria was most ridiculous rather than most offensive it wasn’t a clear winner. I ended up choose clyburn.

    It could have changed since you put up the poll of course.

  40. #40 |  Bulucanagria | 

    I had trouble choosing between Frum, Brady and Clyburn. I eventually settled on Brady because of his stated intent to introduce legislation to enforce his ridiculous ideas. That takes the assinine meter up a couple of notches.

  41. #41 |  TC | 

    Last week I suggested that Frum was an ASshole, today he is even a bigger asshole!

    The image being called a crosshair, as in the sights of a telescopic sight is not even such. It’s but a position locator! I’ve got money for anybody that can show me an actual telescopic sight that looks like the symbol used on that map!

    Add to that it would not matter what symbol had been used, a period, mouse arrow, hand with finger, the response would have still been the same!

    That said, Brady is another aShole!

    Clyburn is an elitist assHole!

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