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	<description>It rankles me when somebody tries to tell somebody what to do.</description>
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		<title>By: CharlesWT</title>
		<link>http://www.theagitator.com/2011/01/08/horrible-2/comment-page-3/#comment-523305</link>
		<dc:creator>CharlesWT</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 10 Jan 2011 06:02:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[He was still living with his parents.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>He was still living with his parents.</p>
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		<title>By: zendingo</title>
		<link>http://www.theagitator.com/2011/01/08/horrible-2/comment-page-3/#comment-523204</link>
		<dc:creator>zendingo</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 10 Jan 2011 05:24:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[does anyone know what Jared Loughner did for a living?  was he full time student?  did he have a job?  how did this guy support himself?]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>does anyone know what Jared Loughner did for a living?  was he full time student?  did he have a job?  how did this guy support himself?</p>
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		<title>By: RWW</title>
		<link>http://www.theagitator.com/2011/01/08/horrible-2/comment-page-3/#comment-523140</link>
		<dc:creator>RWW</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 10 Jan 2011 05:07:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[&lt;I&gt;What would Lincoln do?&lt;/I&gt;

Find even more ways to be a tyrranical douche?]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>What would Lincoln do?</i></p>
<p>Find even more ways to be a tyrranical douche?</p>
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		<title>By: CyniCAl</title>
		<link>http://www.theagitator.com/2011/01/08/horrible-2/comment-page-3/#comment-522304</link>
		<dc:creator>CyniCAl</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 10 Jan 2011 01:18:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I believe I had the appropriate response to this story.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I believe I had the appropriate response to this story.</p>
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		<title>By: SteveLaudig</title>
		<link>http://www.theagitator.com/2011/01/08/horrible-2/comment-page-3/#comment-521944</link>
		<dc:creator>SteveLaudig</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 09 Jan 2011 23:37:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Republicans = Teapublicans. WWLD? What would Lincoln do?]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Republicans = Teapublicans. WWLD? What would Lincoln do?</p>
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		<title>By: Roberta X</title>
		<link>http://www.theagitator.com/2011/01/08/horrible-2/comment-page-3/#comment-521812</link>
		<dc:creator>Roberta X</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 09 Jan 2011 22:35:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[It&#039;s not pointless.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It&#8217;s not pointless.</p>
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		<title>By: Elliot</title>
		<link>http://www.theagitator.com/2011/01/08/horrible-2/comment-page-2/#comment-521605</link>
		<dc:creator>Elliot</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 09 Jan 2011 21:19:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[&lt;blockquote&gt;&lt;b&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;#comment-521407&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Roberta X (#96)&lt;/a&gt;:&lt;/b&gt; &quot;&lt;i&gt;...Matt:how about the way you keep trying to win-by-sneakiness ... and start metadiscussions instead of addressing the issue?&lt;/i&gt;&quot;&lt;/blockquote&gt;

Matt&#039;s comments are right on point.  I don&#039;t see him as being &quot;sneaky&quot; at all.

Perhaps if you simply accepted that I didn&#039;t lob an ad hominem at you, quit telling people that their words aren&#039;t resurrecting the dead (when do they ever?), and tried to have an honest, civil discussion with others instead of seeing how you can one up them with snarky asides, there might be a bit less pointless friction between us.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p><b><a href="#comment-521407" rel="nofollow">Roberta X (#96)</a>:</b> &#8220;<i>&#8230;Matt:how about the way you keep trying to win-by-sneakiness &#8230; and start metadiscussions instead of addressing the issue?</i>&#8220;</p></blockquote>
<p>Matt&#8217;s comments are right on point.  I don&#8217;t see him as being &#8220;sneaky&#8221; at all.</p>
<p>Perhaps if you simply accepted that I didn&#8217;t lob an ad hominem at you, quit telling people that their words aren&#8217;t resurrecting the dead (when do they ever?), and tried to have an honest, civil discussion with others instead of seeing how you can one up them with snarky asides, there might be a bit less pointless friction between us.</p>
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		<title>By: Elliot</title>
		<link>http://www.theagitator.com/2011/01/08/horrible-2/comment-page-2/#comment-521551</link>
		<dc:creator>Elliot</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 09 Jan 2011 21:09:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[&lt;blockquote&gt;&lt;b&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;#comment-520634&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Roberta X (#81)&lt;/a&gt;:&lt;/b&gt; &quot;&lt;i&gt;Elliot: accusing someone of telling lies, of ignoring recent history, those constitute personal attacks...&lt;/i&gt;&quot;&lt;/blockquote&gt;

I criticized what you wrote, not what you look like, the pitch of your voice, your education level, or anything like that.

When you write something which is false and impertinent and you&#039;re called on it, calling that a personal attack is inaccurate.  Also, it&#039;s a distraction, as you&#039;re not addressing the actual criticisms themselves.

&lt;blockquote&gt;&quot;&lt;i&gt;Please read more history. No, just please read more.&lt;/i&gt;&quot;&lt;/blockquote&gt;

This is yet another example of impertinence.  No mention of historical inaccuracies, no genuine justification for this &quot;advice&quot;.  If it was something other than spite at being criticized for what you wrote, please speak up.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p><b><a href="#comment-520634" rel="nofollow">Roberta X (#81)</a>:</b> &#8220;<i>Elliot: accusing someone of telling lies, of ignoring recent history, those constitute personal attacks&#8230;</i>&#8220;</p></blockquote>
<p>I criticized what you wrote, not what you look like, the pitch of your voice, your education level, or anything like that.</p>
<p>When you write something which is false and impertinent and you&#8217;re called on it, calling that a personal attack is inaccurate.  Also, it&#8217;s a distraction, as you&#8217;re not addressing the actual criticisms themselves.</p>
<blockquote><p>&#8220;<i>Please read more history. No, just please read more.</i>&#8220;</p></blockquote>
<p>This is yet another example of impertinence.  No mention of historical inaccuracies, no genuine justification for this &#8220;advice&#8221;.  If it was something other than spite at being criticized for what you wrote, please speak up.</p>
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		<title>By: nwerner</title>
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		<dc:creator>nwerner</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 09 Jan 2011 21:04:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[When this story initially broke, I reflexively felt sympathy for the injured and indignation toward the rhetoric that I figured probably inspired it.  Having given it some thought and after reading through the comments here, I feel a much more comfortable sense of indifference toward the whole thing.  It&#039;s true, none of those people were any different than the people that are mistakenly killed by SWAT teams or our military.  A life is a life is a life and there&#039;s no reason to feel anything unusual about these events.  There&#039;s been enough of these tragedies that it&#039;s about time to just acknowledge them as more collateral damage.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>When this story initially broke, I reflexively felt sympathy for the injured and indignation toward the rhetoric that I figured probably inspired it.  Having given it some thought and after reading through the comments here, I feel a much more comfortable sense of indifference toward the whole thing.  It&#8217;s true, none of those people were any different than the people that are mistakenly killed by SWAT teams or our military.  A life is a life is a life and there&#8217;s no reason to feel anything unusual about these events.  There&#8217;s been enough of these tragedies that it&#8217;s about time to just acknowledge them as more collateral damage.</p>
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		<title>By: RWW</title>
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		<dc:creator>RWW</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 09 Jan 2011 20:58:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[To paraphrase Solzhenitsyn...

What would things be like if every congresswoman, when she goes about her business creating unjust and violent laws, were uncertain whether she would return alive and had to say goodbye to her family?]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>To paraphrase Solzhenitsyn&#8230;</p>
<p>What would things be like if every congresswoman, when she goes about her business creating unjust and violent laws, were uncertain whether she would return alive and had to say goodbye to her family?</p>
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		<title>By: Mark S.</title>
		<link>http://www.theagitator.com/2011/01/08/horrible-2/comment-page-2/#comment-521492</link>
		<dc:creator>Mark S.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 09 Jan 2011 20:45:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Palin may not have wished harm to Congresswoman Giffords but the crosshairs are indicative of a point of view that politics is a matter of good and evil and clear rights and wrongs.  In short, Palin and many like her view politics as a zero-sum game with apocalyptic-like consequences with failure.  If those are the stakes then it&#039;s no wonder these crusaders speak and act, whether consciously or not, in terms of political enemies rather than opponents.

An enemy deserves crosshairs. With an opponent you go a few rounds bloodying each other&#039;s noses and then go out for drinks afterwards.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Palin may not have wished harm to Congresswoman Giffords but the crosshairs are indicative of a point of view that politics is a matter of good and evil and clear rights and wrongs.  In short, Palin and many like her view politics as a zero-sum game with apocalyptic-like consequences with failure.  If those are the stakes then it&#8217;s no wonder these crusaders speak and act, whether consciously or not, in terms of political enemies rather than opponents.</p>
<p>An enemy deserves crosshairs. With an opponent you go a few rounds bloodying each other&#8217;s noses and then go out for drinks afterwards.</p>
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		<title>By: Roberta X</title>
		<link>http://www.theagitator.com/2011/01/08/horrible-2/comment-page-2/#comment-521407</link>
		<dc:creator>Roberta X</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 09 Jan 2011 20:21:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Matt, Matt...how about the way you keep trying to win-by-sneakiness (Oh!  The subtlety!  I am undone!) and start metadiscussions instead of addressing the issue?]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Matt, Matt&#8230;how about the way you keep trying to win-by-sneakiness (Oh!  The subtlety!  I am undone!) and start metadiscussions instead of addressing the issue?</p>
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		<title>By: Matt</title>
		<link>http://www.theagitator.com/2011/01/08/horrible-2/comment-page-2/#comment-521310</link>
		<dc:creator>Matt</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 09 Jan 2011 19:50:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[The fact that my comment will not reanimate the dead hardly invalidates it.  If you&#039;re trying to tacitly move forward after realizing you were not personally attacked, that&#039;s fine by me...we all make mistakes.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The fact that my comment will not reanimate the dead hardly invalidates it.  If you&#8217;re trying to tacitly move forward after realizing you were not personally attacked, that&#8217;s fine by me&#8230;we all make mistakes.</p>
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		<title>By: Roberta X</title>
		<link>http://www.theagitator.com/2011/01/08/horrible-2/comment-page-2/#comment-521225</link>
		<dc:creator>Roberta X</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 09 Jan 2011 19:20:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Boyd, Matt: could we, like, just &lt;i&gt;let on&lt;/i&gt; that we already had the meta-argument about what constitutes using perceived personal characteristics to invalidate another&#039;s points and found our individual readings of the same text to be at odds?   (Let&#039;s do the same with meta-debate about what is or is not a &quot;strawman,&quot; another term recently brandished).   

     That is, unless you can tell me how many dead people having the actual, fruitless debate will bring back; if you can and it does, we&#039;ll set them up right next to the ones reanimated by the ideological purity of the ideologically pure.  It&#039;&#039;s be &lt;i&gt;awesome.&lt;/i&gt;

     Didja hear the shooter was, eventually, taken down by bystanders?  Let&#039;s be more like them.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Boyd, Matt: could we, like, just <i>let on</i> that we already had the meta-argument about what constitutes using perceived personal characteristics to invalidate another&#8217;s points and found our individual readings of the same text to be at odds?   (Let&#8217;s do the same with meta-debate about what is or is not a &#8220;strawman,&#8221; another term recently brandished).   </p>
<p>     That is, unless you can tell me how many dead people having the actual, fruitless debate will bring back; if you can and it does, we&#8217;ll set them up right next to the ones reanimated by the ideological purity of the ideologically pure.  It&#8221;s be <i>awesome.</i></p>
<p>     Didja hear the shooter was, eventually, taken down by bystanders?  Let&#8217;s be more like them.</p>
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		<title>By: Matt</title>
		<link>http://www.theagitator.com/2011/01/08/horrible-2/comment-page-2/#comment-521203</link>
		<dc:creator>Matt</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 09 Jan 2011 19:11:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[But this is supposed to be a constitutional republic, not a democracy.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>But this is supposed to be a constitutional republic, not a democracy.</p>
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		<title>By: Dave Krueger</title>
		<link>http://www.theagitator.com/2011/01/08/horrible-2/comment-page-2/#comment-521158</link>
		<dc:creator>Dave Krueger</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 09 Jan 2011 18:49:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[&lt;blockquote&gt;#91    Matt 

I’m not clear why her doing what she was elected to do would be a reason not to condemn her. It depends on what she was doing. Her popularity is irrelevant.&lt;/blockquote&gt;

My point is just that the blame probably rests more with those who put her in office than it does with her.  In fact, in a democracy, there would probably be more reason to condemn her if she &lt;i&gt;didn&#039;t&lt;/i&gt; do what the voters waned.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>#91    Matt </p>
<p>I’m not clear why her doing what she was elected to do would be a reason not to condemn her. It depends on what she was doing. Her popularity is irrelevant.</p></blockquote>
<p>My point is just that the blame probably rests more with those who put her in office than it does with her.  In fact, in a democracy, there would probably be more reason to condemn her if she <i>didn&#8217;t</i> do what the voters waned.</p>
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		<title>By: Matt</title>
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		<dc:creator>Matt</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 09 Jan 2011 18:44:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I&#039;m not clear why her doing what she was elected to do would be a reason not to condemn her.  It depends on what she was doing.  Her popularity is irrelevant.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m not clear why her doing what she was elected to do would be a reason not to condemn her.  It depends on what she was doing.  Her popularity is irrelevant.</p>
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		<title>By: Dave Krueger</title>
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		<dc:creator>Dave Krueger</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 09 Jan 2011 17:56:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Before we condemn her too much we should remember that she was elected to her job (by &quot;we the people&quot;), so one can make a pretty good argument that she&#039;s just doing what a fair chunk of the population wants elected her to do.  That&#039;s what democracy is all about (de Tocqueville called it &quot;the tyranny of the near majority of voters&quot;).]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Before we condemn her too much we should remember that she was elected to her job (by &#8220;we the people&#8221;), so one can make a pretty good argument that she&#8217;s just doing what a fair chunk of the population wants elected her to do.  That&#8217;s what democracy is all about (de Tocqueville called it &#8220;the tyranny of the near majority of voters&#8221;).</p>
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		<title>By: John Wilburn</title>
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		<dc:creator>John Wilburn</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 09 Jan 2011 17:55:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[@25 a different brain

“ok, here goes, i’m going to type this slowly and use small words: the only person responsible is the one who pulled the trigger. the only person who knows the motive is also the one who pulled the trigger.

now please, stop embarrassing me” (us).

Halle – fucking – lujah!]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@25 a different brain</p>
<p>“ok, here goes, i’m going to type this slowly and use small words: the only person responsible is the one who pulled the trigger. the only person who knows the motive is also the one who pulled the trigger.</p>
<p>now please, stop embarrassing me” (us).</p>
<p>Halle – fucking – lujah!</p>
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		<title>By: BSK</title>
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		<dc:creator>BSK</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 09 Jan 2011 17:35:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[&quot;She may not, herself, have been evil, but she (along with the vast majority of Congress) voted on things she had no moral right to vote on regarding how I get to live my life, and worked to authorize evil on a grand scale. I find it difficult to muster much sympathy for her.&quot;

Hyperbole much?  Are you seriously fucking serious dude?

You have no sympathy for her because she had the gall to work in the political system and vote on bills put forward to her?  Jesus Christ, man.  You are heartless.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;She may not, herself, have been evil, but she (along with the vast majority of Congress) voted on things she had no moral right to vote on regarding how I get to live my life, and worked to authorize evil on a grand scale. I find it difficult to muster much sympathy for her.&#8221;</p>
<p>Hyperbole much?  Are you seriously fucking serious dude?</p>
<p>You have no sympathy for her because she had the gall to work in the political system and vote on bills put forward to her?  Jesus Christ, man.  You are heartless.</p>
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