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Serious question: would that actually kill a grizzly bear? I know they are exceptionally tough and take gunshots and so on. Would a close-range 12 gauge (?) immediately kill a full grown male grizzly bear?
#10: It depends entirely on where you hit it. There are significantly more “piss it off enough to maul you before it dies, if it does indeed die” places to shoot it than there are “instant death” places to shoot it.
I’ve seen trailers of the movie. You couldn’t get me to it unless you promised to waste every member of the cast on stage, live and with instant replays in slow motion.
Man killed for playing with water nozzle hose attachment on his apartment back porch. The police statements are so absurd and defy logic and common sense, but they do it because they can. If you’re going to lie, you may as well make it a fantastic lie akin to what a 4 year old might say.
#19 |
PogueMahone |
December 14th, 2010 at 8:27 am
@#10 Serious question: would that actually kill a grizzly bear?
It depends.
It depends on if out of desperation, some old man picks the shooter from obscurity to be his VP running mate. Then I think so… Out of dumb luck, the bear would just die.
Okay, maybe I shouldn’t have tried a lame Palin joke. ;p
I love the comments on that article. Like every news article about police misdeeds, there are numerous comments that fully support the police and blame the victim. “He was drunk in public…” , “If you point something at the police, that’s what you get..”, “If his sister saw him playing with the hose nozzle she should have taken it away from him.” , “he was irresponsible sitting on the porch with something that looks like a gun..”
Really… the mind boggles every time there is a story like this. The tribal mindset is amazingly strong – no matter how outrageous the police behavior is, a large contingent will twist logic to support the police 100%. In this case you could probably make a strong argument that the cops just made a tragic mistake based on flawed information (having a 911 call about a drunk man waving a gun around would tend to color your perception of what you see on arrival). But like always, that interpretation lets the police command structure off the hook for directly causing the death of an innocent man.
As Radley often comments in SWAT cases, there was no reason to introduce violence into a situation where there was no violence. If the police feared for their safety they could have engaged the “suspect” verbally from a safe distance and behind cover. Good police work involves “de-escalating” situations. Unfortunately it seems that our country is moving in the direction of ever more machismo in police work, where the first duty of the police is to protect themselves, the second duty is to project power and authority beyond question, and then finally to enforce the law. I suppose you could insert “raise revenues” somewhere in that list in front of “enforce the law” too, what with asset forfeiture and all…
This incident is particularly upsetting in light of our expectations of 18-22 year old young men in Iraq and Afghanistan who have limited training and experience in police work. Yet we fully expect them not only to discern threat from non-threat when no shots are being fired (immediately, obviously they are in a combat zone generally), they are fully expected to differentiate between combatant and non-combatant while under fire from multiple directions with non-combatants intermingled with people shooting at them. If we can expect that level of control from young kids, surely we can expect the police in our local town who have likely never had a shot fired in their direction to discern gun from wallet or gun from water nozzle or heck, even gun from gun-about-to-be-fired-at-a-person.
it’s SO disgusting that anyone with talent would create THIS. Is it supposed to be FUNNY to see a person or animal killed? The creator(s) of this video were apparently BORED, and shared their boredom with the world.
#24 |
Cynical in CA |
December 14th, 2010 at 12:35 pm
Yogicide!
#25 |
Cynical in CA |
December 14th, 2010 at 12:40 pm
@ #18 | Bambam
Long Beach is the New Orleans of SoCal. Not surprising. Even sounds a bit like suicide by cop, unless what the reporter wrote about the victim not knowing cops were even there was true.
All in all, another morning in Statist America, where cops can kill with impunity. This is the world the masses crave. Individuals can choose to live in it or seek a place outside it. Change is not an option though.
You seemed shocked at those comments but I don’t. It’s not only just standard yahoo news comments but typically “government thugs are always right” mentality which is 8 out of 10 times standard conservative thinking. However the left supports it too but only when they don’t have a good chance of bashing the right with it. It’s one of the reason I never say cops are heroes because they aren’t they are bullies that coward behind the guns of the state. A hero the person who starts a business and creates jobs not some government punk.
Holy crap. All we need now is an appropriately worded intro to Mr Bojangles.
Wait. Shouldn’t there have been a big splash of brains, blood, and skull fragments all over the wall?
I watched that without sound since there’s no speakers here.
I don’t feel like I even needed sound. Amazing animation.
What did he say about the poster?
They missed a line. Right before Boo Boo pulls the trigger, he should have said, “I shot Yogi Bear.”
He says: Dont that poster look dusty?
Brad Pitt wasn’t terrible in that movie.
That was horrible!
All Yogi ever did was steal picnic baskets.
Boo-Boo you fucking traitor.
$5000 is a lot of money…
Serious question: would that actually kill a grizzly bear? I know they are exceptionally tough and take gunshots and so on. Would a close-range 12 gauge (?) immediately kill a full grown male grizzly bear?
#10: It depends entirely on where you hit it. There are significantly more “piss it off enough to maul you before it dies, if it does indeed die” places to shoot it than there are “instant death” places to shoot it.
#5, Dubber.
I was waiting for that line.
The likely outcome of shooting a bear with a 12 gauge shotgun (better use slugger rounds) is the bear will die some time after it mauls you to death.
use this pistol: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/.454_Casull
but hang onto it when you shoot at a bear
“Just business, Yogi. Nothing personal.”
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I’ve seen trailers of the movie. You couldn’t get me to it unless you promised to waste every member of the cast on stage, live and with instant replays in slow motion.
That was the sick product of a diseased mind. In other words, it was wonderful.
Yogi isn’t just smarter than the average bear, he’s also smaller and lighter. It’d be like shooting a husky dude wearing an awesome fur coat.
Guns don’t kill bears. Bears kill bears.
http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/us_water_nozzle_shooting
Man killed for playing with water nozzle hose attachment on his apartment back porch. The police statements are so absurd and defy logic and common sense, but they do it because they can. If you’re going to lie, you may as well make it a fantastic lie akin to what a 4 year old might say.
@#10 Serious question: would that actually kill a grizzly bear?
It depends.
It depends on if out of desperation, some old man picks the shooter from obscurity to be his VP running mate. Then I think so… Out of dumb luck, the bear would just die.
Okay, maybe I shouldn’t have tried a lame Palin joke. ;p
Cheers.
Kids need to learn about real world friendship.
#18 | Bambam |
I love the comments on that article. Like every news article about police misdeeds, there are numerous comments that fully support the police and blame the victim. “He was drunk in public…” , “If you point something at the police, that’s what you get..”, “If his sister saw him playing with the hose nozzle she should have taken it away from him.” , “he was irresponsible sitting on the porch with something that looks like a gun..”
Really… the mind boggles every time there is a story like this. The tribal mindset is amazingly strong – no matter how outrageous the police behavior is, a large contingent will twist logic to support the police 100%. In this case you could probably make a strong argument that the cops just made a tragic mistake based on flawed information (having a 911 call about a drunk man waving a gun around would tend to color your perception of what you see on arrival). But like always, that interpretation lets the police command structure off the hook for directly causing the death of an innocent man.
As Radley often comments in SWAT cases, there was no reason to introduce violence into a situation where there was no violence. If the police feared for their safety they could have engaged the “suspect” verbally from a safe distance and behind cover. Good police work involves “de-escalating” situations. Unfortunately it seems that our country is moving in the direction of ever more machismo in police work, where the first duty of the police is to protect themselves, the second duty is to project power and authority beyond question, and then finally to enforce the law. I suppose you could insert “raise revenues” somewhere in that list in front of “enforce the law” too, what with asset forfeiture and all…
This incident is particularly upsetting in light of our expectations of 18-22 year old young men in Iraq and Afghanistan who have limited training and experience in police work. Yet we fully expect them not only to discern threat from non-threat when no shots are being fired (immediately, obviously they are in a combat zone generally), they are fully expected to differentiate between combatant and non-combatant while under fire from multiple directions with non-combatants intermingled with people shooting at them. If we can expect that level of control from young kids, surely we can expect the police in our local town who have likely never had a shot fired in their direction to discern gun from wallet or gun from water nozzle or heck, even gun from gun-about-to-be-fired-at-a-person.
That coward Booboo
it’s SO disgusting that anyone with talent would create THIS. Is it supposed to be FUNNY to see a person or animal killed? The creator(s) of this video were apparently BORED, and shared their boredom with the world.
Yogicide!
@ #18 | Bambam
Long Beach is the New Orleans of SoCal. Not surprising. Even sounds a bit like suicide by cop, unless what the reporter wrote about the victim not knowing cops were even there was true.
All in all, another morning in Statist America, where cops can kill with impunity. This is the world the masses crave. Individuals can choose to live in it or seek a place outside it. Change is not an option though.
Once again we see the importance of protecting our right to arm bears.
#23 David-
Chill. It is a parody of The Assasination of Jesse James by the Coward Robert Ford. So, it really isn’t boredom as much as deliciously applied humor.
#21 Cyto
You seemed shocked at those comments but I don’t. It’s not only just standard yahoo news comments but typically “government thugs are always right” mentality which is 8 out of 10 times standard conservative thinking. However the left supports it too but only when they don’t have a good chance of bashing the right with it. It’s one of the reason I never say cops are heroes because they aren’t they are bullies that coward behind the guns of the state. A hero the person who starts a business and creates jobs not some government punk.