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		<title>By: ravenshrike</title>
		<link>http://www.theagitator.com/2010/12/13/morning-links-409/comment-page-1/#comment-439357</link>
		<dc:creator>ravenshrike</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 16 Dec 2010 06:00:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Assange became a political actor the moment he assembled the security file and threatened in a public forum to have it released if anything happened to him. If the threat had been made through private communication things might be different, but the venue he chose for his announcement defined him as a political actor.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Assange became a political actor the moment he assembled the security file and threatened in a public forum to have it released if anything happened to him. If the threat had been made through private communication things might be different, but the venue he chose for his announcement defined him as a political actor.</p>
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		<title>By: Oscar</title>
		<link>http://www.theagitator.com/2010/12/13/morning-links-409/comment-page-1/#comment-437977</link>
		<dc:creator>Oscar</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 14 Dec 2010 17:14:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Re Assange: Consider the positions the government is taking:

* The First Amendment protections for a free press apply only to &quot;journalists&quot;, not to everyone.

* The government gets to decide who is a journalist and who isn&#039;t.

Taken together, these two things would wipe out freedom of speech, since the government can take away your freedom of speech just by asserting you&#039;re not a journalist.

There&#039;s another idea they&#039;re sneaking in there: the idea that being a &quot;political actor&quot; disqualifies you from First Amendment protection. In other words, they&#039;re saying that the First Amendment doesn&#039;t protect political speech (a complete inversion, since protecting political speech was the primary purpose of that amendment&#039;s free speech protections).]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Re Assange: Consider the positions the government is taking:</p>
<p>* The First Amendment protections for a free press apply only to &#8220;journalists&#8221;, not to everyone.</p>
<p>* The government gets to decide who is a journalist and who isn&#8217;t.</p>
<p>Taken together, these two things would wipe out freedom of speech, since the government can take away your freedom of speech just by asserting you&#8217;re not a journalist.</p>
<p>There&#8217;s another idea they&#8217;re sneaking in there: the idea that being a &#8220;political actor&#8221; disqualifies you from First Amendment protection. In other words, they&#8217;re saying that the First Amendment doesn&#8217;t protect political speech (a complete inversion, since protecting political speech was the primary purpose of that amendment&#8217;s free speech protections).</p>
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		<title>By: Carl Drega</title>
		<link>http://www.theagitator.com/2010/12/13/morning-links-409/comment-page-1/#comment-437972</link>
		<dc:creator>Carl Drega</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 14 Dec 2010 16:54:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[&quot;And there you have it! See how easy it is for humans to vilify other humans?&quot;

Villify:

1.
to speak ill of; defame; slander.
2.
Obsolete . to make vile.


Speaking the truth about his membership in a horribly violent evil group of men - which requires from all its membership that they regularly batter others at a minimum - is not vilification. 


&quot;Let’s just round up the Pagans and gas them down!&quot;

While unconstitutional, it would certainly be a boon to civil society.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;And there you have it! See how easy it is for humans to vilify other humans?&#8221;</p>
<p>Villify:</p>
<p>1.<br />
to speak ill of; defame; slander.<br />
2.<br />
Obsolete . to make vile.</p>
<p>Speaking the truth about his membership in a horribly violent evil group of men &#8211; which requires from all its membership that they regularly batter others at a minimum &#8211; is not vilification. </p>
<p>&#8220;Let’s just round up the Pagans and gas them down!&#8221;</p>
<p>While unconstitutional, it would certainly be a boon to civil society.</p>
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		<title>By: Bob</title>
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		<dc:creator>Bob</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 14 Dec 2010 15:28:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[#40 Carl Drega 
&lt;blockquote&gt;
Calling Hale – a full patch Pagan – “an ex-marine” is bullshit Radley. Then current membership in an ultra violent gang is probably more relevant to the shooting than his former military service isn’t it?

Being a Pagan is a 24/7 commitment to crime and violence.
&lt;/blockquote&gt;

And there you have it! See how easy it is for humans to vilify other humans? Let&#039;s just round up the Pagans and gas them down!

The guy was unarmed, sitting on a porch. The police had no warrant for his arrest. Further, the guy HAD NO ARREST RECORD.

The police, on the other hand, were all fired up. state police Lt. Patrick Ogden told Browne prior to the killing that guns and drugs were recovered two days earlier during a search warrant at the home where Hale was killed, that Hale was a member of the motorcycle club and that &quot;Mr. Hale had been known to carry firearms.&quot; Hale had a permit from Virginia to carry concealed weapons.

So even if he WAS armed, (Which he was not) it would have been perfectly legal for him to be.

See how this works? The Police convince themselves that this guy is the sum of all evil, then ride out LYNCH MOB style and confront him. Tasers fly, guns are drawn, shots are fired. That&#039;s good work, boys!

But it&#039;s all legal because they&#039;re the boys in blue! The protectors of little children and Unicorns.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>#40 Carl Drega </p>
<blockquote><p>
Calling Hale – a full patch Pagan – “an ex-marine” is bullshit Radley. Then current membership in an ultra violent gang is probably more relevant to the shooting than his former military service isn’t it?</p>
<p>Being a Pagan is a 24/7 commitment to crime and violence.
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<p>And there you have it! See how easy it is for humans to vilify other humans? Let&#8217;s just round up the Pagans and gas them down!</p>
<p>The guy was unarmed, sitting on a porch. The police had no warrant for his arrest. Further, the guy HAD NO ARREST RECORD.</p>
<p>The police, on the other hand, were all fired up. state police Lt. Patrick Ogden told Browne prior to the killing that guns and drugs were recovered two days earlier during a search warrant at the home where Hale was killed, that Hale was a member of the motorcycle club and that &#8220;Mr. Hale had been known to carry firearms.&#8221; Hale had a permit from Virginia to carry concealed weapons.</p>
<p>So even if he WAS armed, (Which he was not) it would have been perfectly legal for him to be.</p>
<p>See how this works? The Police convince themselves that this guy is the sum of all evil, then ride out LYNCH MOB style and confront him. Tasers fly, guns are drawn, shots are fired. That&#8217;s good work, boys!</p>
<p>But it&#8217;s all legal because they&#8217;re the boys in blue! The protectors of little children and Unicorns.</p>
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		<title>By: derfel cadarn</title>
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		<dc:creator>derfel cadarn</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 14 Dec 2010 11:51:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[The TSA and LEOs are all thugs. No redeeming social value.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The TSA and LEOs are all thugs. No redeeming social value.</p>
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		<title>By: MDGuy</title>
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		<dc:creator>MDGuy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 14 Dec 2010 06:32:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[After reading the latest TSA outrage I can&#039;t help but think the whole thing is just the Stanford Prison Experiment writ large. It&#039;s a self-perpetuating cycle: the agents of authority push the envelope on just how far they can dehumanize the people caught in their little fiefdom, and the further they push the envelope the more they normalize that interaction and pave the way for ever-more-intrusive search and abuse. I wonder if Americans will finally stand up and declare they&#039;ve had enough when some tin-pot jihadist sneaks a bomb up his ass past TSA and they respond with mandatory rectal examinations for all travelers.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>After reading the latest TSA outrage I can&#8217;t help but think the whole thing is just the Stanford Prison Experiment writ large. It&#8217;s a self-perpetuating cycle: the agents of authority push the envelope on just how far they can dehumanize the people caught in their little fiefdom, and the further they push the envelope the more they normalize that interaction and pave the way for ever-more-intrusive search and abuse. I wonder if Americans will finally stand up and declare they&#8217;ve had enough when some tin-pot jihadist sneaks a bomb up his ass past TSA and they respond with mandatory rectal examinations for all travelers.</p>
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		<title>By: Rob Robertson</title>
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		<dc:creator>Rob Robertson</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 14 Dec 2010 03:07:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Absolutely, Carl. It&#039;s important to note that the cop shot a member of a violent one-percenter motorcycle gang first and foremost, but there&#039;s still a point to be made in noting that he was an ex-Marine. As the wars in Iraq and Afghanistan were putting a strain on recruitment numbers, standards were lowered in a number of areas and the military was soon awash in white supremacists, neoNazis and other groups who joined in order to get training and (maybe) ship military weapons back home for upcoming race wars. I&#039;m not implying that Derek Hale was a white supremacist, but just the fact that he made the jump from the USMC to the PMC is interesting by itself.

 From Radley&#039;s description I thought he was sitting in a rocking chair with a harmonica and a chaw of tabaccy.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Absolutely, Carl. It&#8217;s important to note that the cop shot a member of a violent one-percenter motorcycle gang first and foremost, but there&#8217;s still a point to be made in noting that he was an ex-Marine. As the wars in Iraq and Afghanistan were putting a strain on recruitment numbers, standards were lowered in a number of areas and the military was soon awash in white supremacists, neoNazis and other groups who joined in order to get training and (maybe) ship military weapons back home for upcoming race wars. I&#8217;m not implying that Derek Hale was a white supremacist, but just the fact that he made the jump from the USMC to the PMC is interesting by itself.</p>
<p> From Radley&#8217;s description I thought he was sitting in a rocking chair with a harmonica and a chaw of tabaccy.</p>
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		<title>By: Carl Drega</title>
		<link>http://www.theagitator.com/2010/12/13/morning-links-409/comment-page-1/#comment-437865</link>
		<dc:creator>Carl Drega</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 14 Dec 2010 00:42:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Calling Hale - a full patch Pagan - &quot;an ex-marine&quot; is bullshit Radley.  Then current membership in an ultra violent gang is probably more relevant to the shooting than his former military service isn&#039;t it?

Being a Pagan is a 24/7 commitment to crime and violence.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Calling Hale &#8211; a full patch Pagan &#8211; &#8220;an ex-marine&#8221; is bullshit Radley.  Then current membership in an ultra violent gang is probably more relevant to the shooting than his former military service isn&#8217;t it?</p>
<p>Being a Pagan is a 24/7 commitment to crime and violence.</p>
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		<title>By: Whim</title>
		<link>http://www.theagitator.com/2010/12/13/morning-links-409/comment-page-1/#comment-437822</link>
		<dc:creator>Whim</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 13 Dec 2010 20:36:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[You&#039;ve got to hand it to Obama:  Picking Biden made him virtually assassination proof.  

Joe Biden wasn&#039;t the brightest bulb even before his brain aneurism.....]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You&#8217;ve got to hand it to Obama:  Picking Biden made him virtually assassination proof.  </p>
<p>Joe Biden wasn&#8217;t the brightest bulb even before his brain aneurism&#8230;..</p>
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		<title>By: PW</title>
		<link>http://www.theagitator.com/2010/12/13/morning-links-409/comment-page-1/#comment-437820</link>
		<dc:creator>PW</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 13 Dec 2010 20:18:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[From the surreal world of the American Police State, a Florida rapper is facing 2 years in prison on a parole violation.

The &quot;offense&quot; that got him in trouble: he wrote a song called &quot;Kill Me a Cop.&quot;

http://www.wtsp.com/news/mostpop/story.aspx?storyid=110679&amp;provider=top]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>From the surreal world of the American Police State, a Florida rapper is facing 2 years in prison on a parole violation.</p>
<p>The &#8220;offense&#8221; that got him in trouble: he wrote a song called &#8220;Kill Me a Cop.&#8221;</p>
<p><a href="http://www.wtsp.com/news/mostpop/story.aspx?storyid=110679&#038;provider=top" rel="nofollow">http://www.wtsp.com/news/mostpop/story.aspx?storyid=110679&#038;provider=top</a></p>
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		<title>By: delta</title>
		<link>http://www.theagitator.com/2010/12/13/morning-links-409/comment-page-1/#comment-437819</link>
		<dc:creator>delta</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 13 Dec 2010 20:09:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[&quot;They began searching members of the group, including the plaintiffs. An unidentified man told officers he had smoked all the marijuana and took off running with a cop in pursuit, according to the suit. When the cop returned, huffing and puffing from the chase, some spectators at a handball game in the park laughed.&quot;

That can happen? Why don&#039;t I ever see that on the COPS TV show? I was told no one ever gets away from the superhero police.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;They began searching members of the group, including the plaintiffs. An unidentified man told officers he had smoked all the marijuana and took off running with a cop in pursuit, according to the suit. When the cop returned, huffing and puffing from the chase, some spectators at a handball game in the park laughed.&#8221;</p>
<p>That can happen? Why don&#8217;t I ever see that on the COPS TV show? I was told no one ever gets away from the superhero police.</p>
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		<title>By: The Mossy Spaniard</title>
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		<dc:creator>The Mossy Spaniard</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 13 Dec 2010 19:57:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[@35, Whim
You remember when Biden was addressing a law enforcement group, and started talking about Sotomayor? &quot;She&#039;s got your back&quot;, he said. 
That really should have garnered a lot of outrage, but it didn&#039;t. &quot;She&#039;ll rule against the citizenry in your favor, with minimal to nonexistent exception&quot;. I wouldn&#039;t expect more from the guy who pioneered the ONDCP. I never thought I&#039;d see another sitting executive who rivaled GWB in terms of sheer, tragicomic foolishness, but I was wrong.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@35, Whim<br />
You remember when Biden was addressing a law enforcement group, and started talking about Sotomayor? &#8220;She&#8217;s got your back&#8221;, he said.<br />
That really should have garnered a lot of outrage, but it didn&#8217;t. &#8220;She&#8217;ll rule against the citizenry in your favor, with minimal to nonexistent exception&#8221;. I wouldn&#8217;t expect more from the guy who pioneered the ONDCP. I never thought I&#8217;d see another sitting executive who rivaled GWB in terms of sheer, tragicomic foolishness, but I was wrong.</p>
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		<title>By: Whim</title>
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		<dc:creator>Whim</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 13 Dec 2010 19:53:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Radley, you should author a human interest non-fiction book about former Marine Sergeant Derek Hale, who survived two tours in Iraq, but did not survive 3 Taserings and the cold-blooded execution by Wilmington DE police Lt. Brown.

With what you&#039;ve already documented about the growing militarization of the police, and wrong-door and often just plain wrongful SWAT raids, the book would practically write itself.

Suggested working title:  &quot;Survived the Sunni Triangle 2X but K.I.A. by Wilmington PD&quot;.  

P.S.  Wilmington PD Lt. Brown was subsequently promoted to Captain.

Words cannot express the outrage......

Maybe you can even work in a thread about how pro-LEO Delaware&#039;s own VP Joe Biden has been his entire career.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Radley, you should author a human interest non-fiction book about former Marine Sergeant Derek Hale, who survived two tours in Iraq, but did not survive 3 Taserings and the cold-blooded execution by Wilmington DE police Lt. Brown.</p>
<p>With what you&#8217;ve already documented about the growing militarization of the police, and wrong-door and often just plain wrongful SWAT raids, the book would practically write itself.</p>
<p>Suggested working title:  &#8220;Survived the Sunni Triangle 2X but K.I.A. by Wilmington PD&#8221;.  </p>
<p>P.S.  Wilmington PD Lt. Brown was subsequently promoted to Captain.</p>
<p>Words cannot express the outrage&#8230;&#8230;</p>
<p>Maybe you can even work in a thread about how pro-LEO Delaware&#8217;s own VP Joe Biden has been his entire career.</p>
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		<title>By: Mario</title>
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		<dc:creator>Mario</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 13 Dec 2010 19:22:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[&lt;i&gt;Highway @ #30&lt;/i&gt;

That&#039;s an excellent analogy, comparing the &quot;legislating by equivocation&quot; of the First Amendment to what people say about the Second Amendment. To wit, the word &quot;militia&quot; meant something very different from what many would have you believe today: it meant every able-bodied man able to carry arms in defense of his country. It was something more akin to today&#039;s volunteer fire departments than to the National Guard.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>Highway @ #30</i></p>
<p>That&#8217;s an excellent analogy, comparing the &#8220;legislating by equivocation&#8221; of the First Amendment to what people say about the Second Amendment. To wit, the word &#8220;militia&#8221; meant something very different from what many would have you believe today: it meant every able-bodied man able to carry arms in defense of his country. It was something more akin to today&#8217;s volunteer fire departments than to the National Guard.</p>
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		<title>By: The Mossy Spaniard</title>
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		<dc:creator>The Mossy Spaniard</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 13 Dec 2010 19:17:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[@32
I think you said it in a cooler, more measured way than I did. Police have the same right to self-defense as we do, and since they&#039;re ostensibly tasked with protecting us from criminal threats, deadly force is sometimes necessary. But I agree with your take on the expansion of what&#039;s &quot;necessary&quot;, and I just get aneurysm-inducingly angry when citizens throw a bone to a cop who has clearly crossed the line.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@32<br />
I think you said it in a cooler, more measured way than I did. Police have the same right to self-defense as we do, and since they&#8217;re ostensibly tasked with protecting us from criminal threats, deadly force is sometimes necessary. But I agree with your take on the expansion of what&#8217;s &#8220;necessary&#8221;, and I just get aneurysm-inducingly angry when citizens throw a bone to a cop who has clearly crossed the line.</p>
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		<title>By: Highway</title>
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		<dc:creator>Highway</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 13 Dec 2010 19:10:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Mossy Spaniard, I don&#039;t know.  It would be up to the police officers in question.  Generally, if someone&#039;s using excessive force, I&#039;d think the police would reach for their guns.  And a bat and a broken bottle do tend to go in the category of &#039;excessive force&#039; for me.  

Like Pablo said, I&#039;m vehemently against police misconduct, but they do carry guns for a reason, and that reason is that sometimes people do escalate force against them, and it&#039;s not just bank robbers.  Even Radley has made the distinction with SWAT teams: There&#039;s a time and place when using a gun defensively is a justifiable action.  The problem is that the times are becoming all the time and places are becoming everywhere for some officers, and even worse, there are times where the officers are initiating force, like the Baltimore City cop who shot the other guy at the bar for slapping a woman&#039;s butt, or the guy in that story a while back about the cop who flew off the handle and just executed the guy who was trying to get past him out of his house (sorry, I don&#039;t remember more details about it).

But maybe the point that needs to come through to PD&#039;s is that if they call everything justified, even when it&#039;s plainly not, then people aren&#039;t going to believe them when it actually IS justified.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Mossy Spaniard, I don&#8217;t know.  It would be up to the police officers in question.  Generally, if someone&#8217;s using excessive force, I&#8217;d think the police would reach for their guns.  And a bat and a broken bottle do tend to go in the category of &#8216;excessive force&#8217; for me.  </p>
<p>Like Pablo said, I&#8217;m vehemently against police misconduct, but they do carry guns for a reason, and that reason is that sometimes people do escalate force against them, and it&#8217;s not just bank robbers.  Even Radley has made the distinction with SWAT teams: There&#8217;s a time and place when using a gun defensively is a justifiable action.  The problem is that the times are becoming all the time and places are becoming everywhere for some officers, and even worse, there are times where the officers are initiating force, like the Baltimore City cop who shot the other guy at the bar for slapping a woman&#8217;s butt, or the guy in that story a while back about the cop who flew off the handle and just executed the guy who was trying to get past him out of his house (sorry, I don&#8217;t remember more details about it).</p>
<p>But maybe the point that needs to come through to PD&#8217;s is that if they call everything justified, even when it&#8217;s plainly not, then people aren&#8217;t going to believe them when it actually IS justified.</p>
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		<title>By: EH</title>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 13 Dec 2010 19:05:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Yeah, sure, let them run with the &quot;Assange is not a journalist&quot; thing, we&#039;ll see how Roger Ailes like that. And who cares what the State Dept. says? They aren&#039;t the DoJ, but I&#039;ve noticed that a lot in this story: everybody claiming laws to be broken who are not the DoJ.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yeah, sure, let them run with the &#8220;Assange is not a journalist&#8221; thing, we&#8217;ll see how Roger Ailes like that. And who cares what the State Dept. says? They aren&#8217;t the DoJ, but I&#8217;ve noticed that a lot in this story: everybody claiming laws to be broken who are not the DoJ.</p>
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		<title>By: Highway</title>
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		<dc:creator>Highway</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 13 Dec 2010 19:02:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[It just dawned on me (maybe I&#039;m slow), but the &#039;freedom of the press being only for &quot;the press&quot;&#039; thing is directly analogous to the way they&#039;ve been trying to eviscerate the 2nd amendment prior to Heller.  Because it says &#039;militia&#039;, then obviously that&#039;s all it applies to.  And because the 1st amendment says &#039;press&#039; specifically, that&#039;s all it applies to.  So now the challenge is to define &#039;press&#039; so narrowly that it&#039;s only the sycophantic media that it applies to, and if they step out of line, then we&#039;ve got this nice hammer to maul them with - having a &#039;political agenda&#039;.  But as long as they stay on the reservation, hey, we won&#039;t interfere... too much.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It just dawned on me (maybe I&#8217;m slow), but the &#8216;freedom of the press being only for &#8220;the press&#8221;&#8216; thing is directly analogous to the way they&#8217;ve been trying to eviscerate the 2nd amendment prior to Heller.  Because it says &#8216;militia&#8217;, then obviously that&#8217;s all it applies to.  And because the 1st amendment says &#8216;press&#8217; specifically, that&#8217;s all it applies to.  So now the challenge is to define &#8216;press&#8217; so narrowly that it&#8217;s only the sycophantic media that it applies to, and if they step out of line, then we&#8217;ve got this nice hammer to maul them with &#8211; having a &#8216;political agenda&#8217;.  But as long as they stay on the reservation, hey, we won&#8217;t interfere&#8230; too much.</p>
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		<title>By: The Mossy Spaniard</title>
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		<dc:creator>The Mossy Spaniard</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 13 Dec 2010 18:59:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[@27, Pablo
That&#039;s a fair point; the other civilian who got killed by the Salisbury PD was wielding a broken bottle, which also falls in that category. However, in Salisbury, only patrol supervisors are allowed to carry tasers (they&#039;re open to misuse, of course, but they aren&#039;t guns and have an abvious advantage over a nightstick). I don&#039;t know if tasers would disincentivize excessive force or not (no), but the two suspects in question might be alive if they were in common use.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@27, Pablo<br />
That&#8217;s a fair point; the other civilian who got killed by the Salisbury PD was wielding a broken bottle, which also falls in that category. However, in Salisbury, only patrol supervisors are allowed to carry tasers (they&#8217;re open to misuse, of course, but they aren&#8217;t guns and have an abvious advantage over a nightstick). I don&#8217;t know if tasers would disincentivize excessive force or not (no), but the two suspects in question might be alive if they were in common use.</p>
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		<title>By: The Mossy Spaniard</title>
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		<dc:creator>The Mossy Spaniard</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 13 Dec 2010 18:55:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[@24, JS
Yeah, it&#039;s infuriating, but I can&#039;t say it&#039;s all that surprising. For one, the legislators who could ostensibly stop this are beholden to the same self-preservation mentality as the cops who enforce their whims. The political class also tends to look askance at opinions that are unfavorable to their goals, since they do a pretty good job of cloaking their misdeeds in the auspices of law and order. 

In our democracy, the pressure to change their minds is only going to be delivered when we pressure our fellow citizens to change their minds. And as long we have the cop-fellators to excuse infringements of liberty, theft of property, and out-and-out murder, there are minimal ways to win this fight.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@24, JS<br />
Yeah, it&#8217;s infuriating, but I can&#8217;t say it&#8217;s all that surprising. For one, the legislators who could ostensibly stop this are beholden to the same self-preservation mentality as the cops who enforce their whims. The political class also tends to look askance at opinions that are unfavorable to their goals, since they do a pretty good job of cloaking their misdeeds in the auspices of law and order. </p>
<p>In our democracy, the pressure to change their minds is only going to be delivered when we pressure our fellow citizens to change their minds. And as long we have the cop-fellators to excuse infringements of liberty, theft of property, and out-and-out murder, there are minimal ways to win this fight.</p>
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