Where To Begin?

Monday, December 6th, 2010

Of all the crazy criminal justice stories I’ve reported on, linked to, and commented on here, this one could well be the craziest. A summary really doesn’t work. Just read. And behold.


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114 Responses to “Where To Begin?”

  1. #1 |  PW | 

    Let’s have a little more fun with quotes while we’re at it…

    “The perception that Farakhan is a Jew-hating, white-hating hate mongering racist is partly the result of how the media has unfavorably covered him.” – BSK, 7/21/10

    “My point was that Farrakhan is more than what he is portrayed in the media… as just about any individual is. Does Farrakhan have a horrible record with regards to race relations and interfaith relations? Absolutely. Has he also done a lot of good within the African American community, particularly when it comes to mentoring young men? Absolutely. We hear all of the former and none of the latter.” – BSK, 12/8/10

    “The Jews don’t like Farrakhan, so they call me Hitler. Well, that’s a good name. Hitler was a very great man.” – Louis Farrakhan, 1984

  2. #2 |  PW | 

    Would you mind telling me, BSK, exactly where I ever said that nobody is ever hurt or wronged by the white supremacist fringe?

    Oh wait. You can’t because I didn’t. To the contrary, I said that they are thoroughly condemned by all decent society.

    Or do you have counter-evidence somewhere of somebody coming to the Klan’s defense? Or perhaps even a quote that “acknowledges” the Klan’s racial record in heavily qualified terms, then praises them for running a good “youth outreach” program that “mentors” troubled young people?

  3. #3 |  BSK | 

    Wow, man, you are seriously troubled. You can’t even own up to what you said. What made you so bitter? Why such a chip on your shoulder when it comes to black folks? Did you get cut from your high school basketball team in favor of a black guy? Did you get dumped for a darker skinned brother? Passed over for a promotion that you assumed was “affirmative action”? You got some real issues man. You can’t even deal with reality, the reality that you created. YOU said that 99% of racism is irrelevant or beneficial to black people. When confronted with that, you trot out the same old tired Farrakhan nonsense. That’s all people like you have. “I can’t be racist because this one black guy is MORE racist!” You really are beyond talking to. From now on, whenever you go on one of your blathering rants (which you are assured to do, because despite your instance that your primary interest is police abuse, you pop up primarily in conversations relating to race and religion), I’m just going to post this quote so all can see what an ignorant little nothing you are.

  4. #4 |  BSK | 

    “[C]omical embarrassment whenever it rears its ugly head” implies a failure. A group would not be embarrassed if they achieved their desired ends, no matter how much ridicule they received. So, yea, the implication is no harm, no foul. Try again, tough guy.

  5. #5 |  BSK | 

    And, to think, I actually agreed with your initial impression, that the article overplayed the race angle when there was enough in the anti-drug-war and general-abuse-of-power to demonstrate just how absurd the story was. But a simple “…sigh…” to this effect set you off. Because god FORBID someone even consider speaking out against racism!

  6. #6 |  BSK | 

    And, PW, if my assessment of your quote is wrong, then please speak for yourself:

    What group in America today do you feel is more frequently the victim of racism? I’ve given you more than enough opportunities to answer yourself. You’ve chosen not to so I have nothing else go off except what you’ve said elsewhere.

  7. #7 |  PW | 

    “Wow, man, you are seriously troubled.”

    Coming from the guy who praises Farrakhan and thinks the NoI has gotten a bad rap in the press, I’ll take that as a complement!

    And by all means, post away whatever you like. Despite your unfounded insinuations otherwise, I have nothing to hide and could honestly care less about you quoting an assessment from me on the present state of race relations that you apparently find objectionable for whatever reason though you cannot be bothered to refute without indulging in straw man characterizations of it. If I were you though I’d be much more concerned about somebody quoting your own whacked out defenses of the most powerful living racial hatemonger in America today:

    “The perception that Farakhan is a Jew-hating, white-hating hate mongering racist is partly the result of how the media has unfavorably covered him.” – BSK, 7/21/10

    “My point was that Farrakhan is more than what he is portrayed in the media… as just about any individual is. Does Farrakhan have a horrible record with regards to race relations and interfaith relations? Absolutely. Has he also done a lot of good within the African American community, particularly when it comes to mentoring young men? Absolutely. We hear all of the former and none of the latter.” – BSK, 12/8/10

  8. #8 |  BSK | 

    So, acknowledging both the positive (impact on African-American youths) and the negative (explicit hatred) and noting that, on balance, there is far more of the latter than the former, just not as much as the media might lead us to believe, is not only defending him, but praising him?

    I see… you are too simple-minded to recognize nuance. People are either all good or all bad… pure benevolence or pure evil. Since Farrakhan has so much ugliness associated with him, his is devoid of even the possibility of doing good at times. The man can’t walk down the street without kicking puppies in the mouth! So, you’ll trot out one quote about one man and our perception of him, which really says very little about me (even if it does say everything you say it does, it demonstrates a blind spot for Farrakhan, not the world as a whole). You, on the other hand, have a worldview so warped by your own bitterness as to believe that whites are the true victims of racism in modern society. Yet, there is a glimmer of hope… your refusal to even acknowledge this perception of yours for so long, until I dug it out of the archives, demonstrates that maybe, just maybe, you realize it’s wrong (though it’s far more likely you just realize it’s unpopular and you want to maintain whatever standing you think you have here, since your popularity on the interwebs is probably where you derive most of your self-worth from).

    So, at the end of the day, at worst, I’m dead wrong on Farrakhan. You, on the other hand, are dead wrong on racism in general. I’d take my lot there over yours any day.

  9. #9 |  PW | 

    I don’t “feel” any “group” is the “victim” of racism in America, BSK.

    I know of individuals who have been victims of racist acts by other individuals. I also tend to find such acts offensive no matter where they come from.

    By contrast, you appear willing to overlook some of them if the perpetrator is someone you happen to sympathize with because, you know, he “mentors young people” and “helps his community”….even if it is by teaching them about how all the “White Devils” and their “Bloodsucker Jew” financiers who conspire to keep them in poverty.

  10. #10 |  BSK | 

    And, to indulge your deliberate obtuseness:

    “Also BSK, when have I EVER said that racism “doesn’t exist”? Racism certainly exists. I simply maintain that 99% of the racism that exists fits into one of two categories:

    1. The marginalized political fringe that all members of decent society rightfully ignore to the point that it’s a comical embarrassment whenever it rears its ugly head (e.g. the modern day KKK, which is more of a bad joke that pretty much gets shamed out of the discussion whenever it pops up)

    2. The institutionalized type that still exists because its members are viewed as part of a “protected” group and are therefore given a pass, if not outright encouraged in their behavior, by the media, the government, and most of the political establishment (e.g. the Jesse Jacksons, New Black Panthers, La Razas, and – yes – the NAACP, all of which engage in overtly racial politicking and support overtly racist policies such as affirmative action, racial gerrymandering, and dropping the race card to brow beat anyone opposed to anything involving a government program they support)”

    We can clearly derive from this that, if institutionalized racism against blacks or other PoCs exist, it is less than 1% of total racism. If racism against PoCs in the courts or the police force or the criminal justice system in general exist, it is less than 1% of total racism. If we stand by your original assertion, I see no way for these two forms of racism to make up any more than 1% of general racism, given how you dole out the other 99% of it.

    Is that fair? Or am I still engaging a strawman?

  11. #11 |  BSK | 

    When have I said I overlook it? Never. WHOOPS! You are the king of strawmans. You’re quite like the scarecrow from the Wizard of Oz… no brains and all.

    You’re not worth it, man. Enjoy your bitter life. My hunch is you are on the way out anyway and people that share my perspective (which I could probably simply state is one based in reality, but will go so far as to say one that is progressive and forward thinking and attempting to better the world as oppose to fissure it) are on the way up. Good luck holding on to whatever little false-reality you’ve carved out for yourself. If this blog is it, so be it. You’ve officially ruined it for me, as I’ve seen you do for others. I hope you’re happy. I’m sure Radley is, especially since I’ve seen him call you out for the exact same nonsense I have.

    Respond if you want… I won’t read it. But that’s probably par for the course for you, he who tilts at windmills. Good luck, buddy! And be sure to watch behind you… Farrakhan may be sneaking up behind you RIGHT NOW!!!!!!!!

  12. #12 |  PW | 

    So, acknowledging both the positive (impact on African-American youths) and the negative (explicit hatred) and noting that, on balance, there is far more of the latter than the former, just not as much as the media might lead us to believe, is not only defending him, but praising him?

    Several problems with that.

    1. Sometimes the bad is so bad that it makes any purported good a moot point. It’s like praising Hitler for fixing the German economy despite that little thing about trying to take over the world.

    2. Most people who are in the business of trying to polish up the reputation of a truly bad and horrible person do so because they sympathize with that person more than they are willing to let on. In this sense you’re in the same company as the Holocaust deniers who purport to acknowledge and condemn the death camps then try to revise the murder statistics downward out of “historical accuracy” despite it being anything but.

    3. Even looking past those first two things, you’ve yet to demonstrate how recruiting black youths into a racial supremacist death cult is a “positive” thing for society.

  13. #13 |  PW | 

    “When have I said I overlook it? Never.”

    Persons in the business of overlooking something seldom announce that they are doing so. It kinda defeats the whole purpose of overlooking.

  14. #14 |  Bunny | 

    I’m a little late here but when I read you saying this was the craziest, I thought nah, it can’t be crazier than that case with the drug snitches, and the cops trying to put the whole family on trail in Georgia, and goddammit, it is!

    What the hell.