Where To Begin?

Monday, December 6th, 2010

Of all the crazy criminal justice stories I’ve reported on, linked to, and commented on here, this one could well be the craziest. A summary really doesn’t work. Just read. And behold.

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114 Responses to “Where To Begin?”

  1. #1 |  Cappy | 

    Would like to say I’m surprised, but I’m not.

  2. #2 |  SJE | 

    Wow, thanks for sharing. This puts the MHD guys problems in context: if the cops, the prosecutors, and the judge are all part of the same team, how can you get justice?

  3. #3 |  John P. | 

    Our criminal justice system is broken beyond repair. I was once a very supportive pro-law enforcement guy who took the word of any cop our everyone else.

    But not anymore and nothing happened to me personally, I’ve never been arrested or even received a traffic ticket.

    All I did was simply open my eyes, started really reading the news and just paying attention.

  4. #4 |  John P. | 

    QUOTE;

    if the cops, the prosecutors, and the judge are all part of the same team, how can you get justice?

    END QUOTE:

    You can’t and that’s the way the system is designed to be. See, Its not about truth, justice or making the victim whole again.

    Its all about putting people in prison as quickly and efficiently as possible.

  5. #5 |  Dan Z | 

    Wow….just wow….

  6. #6 |  Marty | 

    too bad Steven Seagal and Shaq weren’t there to help. Hopefully, Texas needs an Obama bailout after this lawsuit.

  7. #7 |  K9kevlar | 

    John P you are wrong. It is about putting large numbers of people in prision as quickly and efficienty as possible.

  8. #8 |  Joe | 

    Justice? Granted, cooler minds prevailed eventually, but I would not use the word justice in connection with that matter.

    Insanity is a better word.

  9. #9 |  Joe | 

    Justice? Granted, cooler minds prevailed eventually, but I would not use the word justice in connection with that matter.

    Insanity is a better word.

  10. #10 |  Z | 

    Nothing new.

  11. #11 |  Jppatter | 

    We do not have a JUSTICE system, we have a LEGAL system. There is a difference. As long as the I’s are dotted and the T’s are crossed according to procedure, then that’s all that matters. Any actual justice that occurs is, anymore, an unintended side effect.

  12. #12 |  Cyto | 

    “The Richardsons’ civil rights lawsuit against the Red River County district attorney, the sheriff and the chief of police begins early next year.”

    I’m surprised they didn’t add the judge to the Civil Rights suit. This story has just about everything – warrantless no-knock paramilitary raid, coerced confession, racism, overzealous prosecution (including lawyers with assault rifles!), overcharging (life in prison for the whole family!), coercion to testify against lesser “co-conspirators”, post-dated warrants.. . Really all they are missing is asset forfeiture and a jailhouse snitch. The “judge who is really the prosecutor” is a new angle though. I never even thought of that one.

  13. #13 |  Dave Krueger | 

    Off topic alert.

    WTF is this? When do they start groping us before we’re allowed to enter Walmart? Are scanners next?

  14. #14 |  JS | 

    God in heaven, please deliver us from our government. Please deliver us from the injustices and oppression our government puts upon us.

    Exodus 22:22 Ye shall not afflict any widow, or fatherless child.
    23 If thou afflict them in any wise, and they cry at all unto me, I will surely hear their cry;
    24 And my wrath shall wax hot, and I will kill you with the sword; and your wives shall be widows, and your children fatherless.

    Exodus 22:26 If thou at all take thy neighbour’s raiment to pledge, thou shalt deliver it unto him by that the sun goeth down:
    27 For that is his covering only, it is his raiment for his skin: wherein shall he sleep? and it shall come to pass, when he crieth unto me, that I will hear; for I am gracious.

  15. #15 |  JS | 

    Fuck America. I hope it falls sooner rather than later.

  16. #16 |  K9kevlar | 

    #13 Senor Kruger what do you mean wtf is this? You know what the fuck it is. It is the next logical step. Do not feign surprise comrade citizen. You knew this was coming. You just hoped it would happen latter on down the line. It will take a little time before the people with last names begining with K have to report for delousing. Radley, on the other hand, seems to be fucked. They already stopped by his old house.

  17. #17 |  C. S. P. Schofield | 

    OK, hold it! Admittedly this stinks. It stinks on SO many levels. But please keep in mind that the State AG seems to have taken one whiff and tried to call a halt to the mess. It should have worked too, except for a Judge who was about six bubbles off of level, and who probably belongs in a padded cell.

    To repeat: Other than the one guy who seems to have been as guilty as a cat in a goldfish bowl, the State prosecutors didn’t want to prosecute anybody.

    Vilify the Town Clowns, the Judge, and the local prosecutor as much as you like. They deserve to be dipped in goo and left to harden. But not everybody on the side of “The Law” was a loon.

  18. #18 |  Nate | 

    It may cost the state a pretty penny after the law suit, but at least there is the possibility that someone found it just a little bit harder to find a connection to get high one afternoon. Money well spent indeed.

  19. #19 |  Aresen | 

    This would make a great comedy movie if it weren’t for the fact it was real.

    If you tried to write it as a novel, people would dismiss it as too insane.

  20. #20 |  ken | 

    “not everybody on the side of “The Law” was a loon.”

    True, but something is majorly wrong with our system, that a ‘loon’ or two can do this much harm despite saner heads trying their best to rein them in.

  21. #21 |  random guy | 

    gotta love the cowboy DA dressing up in SWAT gear, going on a raid, and showing a piece of scrap paper when caught without a warrant.

    I’m glad to hear the trial lawyers tried to throw the whole thing out and pressed the Civil Rights Suit. But if this is the level of madness it takes for a lawyer from the opposition to take your side… well here’s hoping I never get that particular blessing.

    And just to remind everyone this all started with the purchase of a bag of weed. A BAG OF WEED leads to the prosecution/judge pushing for life in prison for the entire family who were completely unaware of what was going on. I would love to see the tortured logic a drug warrior has to go through to justify this crap.

  22. #22 |  random guy | 

    Arsen, I’ve honestly thought about writing a novel on corrupt cops. Every character would be based off the verifiable actions of law enforcement officials from articles like this one. I would change some names, set it in Prince George County, and have a third of the book dedicated to references.

    The irony is I would get a called a liar while simultaneously receiving death threats from LEO’s across the country.

  23. #23 |  Aresen | 

    random guy

    And the SPCA would be after you as well for all the descriptions of dogs being shot. ;)

  24. #24 |  K9kevlar | 

    If you folks like this so far, wait until the in rem party starts.

  25. #25 |  KBCraig | 

    Ah, some local news for a change! (Clarksville is just one county away.)

    Attorney Mark Lesher has had his own recent high-profile case, where Red River County authorities tried to railroad both him and his wife based on a false accusation of sexual assault. Just google “mark lesher clarksville”, and start reading.

  26. #26 |  KBCraig | 

    After reading the comments at NPR, I understand those who say there is no evidence in the story of racial bias. Of course not; such a thing is hard to demonstrate in a single case unless someone is so careless as to admit it, or use blatant racial epithets.

    The comments claiming such a thing would never happen to a white family are also clueless. Such things happen with great regularity to people of all races, who are in the wrong class. In this part of rural America, that class consists of poor and lower middle class whites, and virtually all blacks.

    Regarding the “Sidewalks of Clarksville” piece: Principal Vaughn wanted to “deal with it later”, directly with Vergil, meaning as a “black thing”. I wonder how he would have responded if the reporter had been Tavis Smiley, or Juan Williams?

    In all, this is less a story of race, than it is of abuse-of-power against those who aren’t on the inside track. Similar stories happen throughout small town America, even when the races are reversed. #2 SJE reference the Motorhome Diaries, which was a similar injustice against the “wrong class” (out of state white guys), by a black sheriff and his black deputies.

    And it’s by no means confined to the South. The most bitter and hostile white racists I’ve ever met were from Philadelphia.

  27. #27 |  Erin Cartman | 

    I guess eyewitness testimony wouldn’t have made much of a difference either in this case, I mean less of a difference than usual: http://lawblog.legalmatch.com/2010/12/03/eyewitness-testimony-and-memory-is-not-as-reliable-as-we-often-think-it-is/

  28. #28 |  MassHole | 

    Some of the most dangerous people you can encounter are small town cops. Everyone knows each other and likely has family ties as well. If you’re the wrong person, they can deprive you of your liberty and assault you as they please. However, if you’re the right person, you have a get out of jail free card.

    Recently a police officer in the town I grew up in was sent to prison for buying and selling meth. He was found out because his dealer ratted him out when caught by the state police. He would show up in his cruiser and uniform to his dealers house and use meth while on the clock. I haven’t heard about them going back to review all his arrests and I’m not going to hold my breath.

  29. #29 |  Radley Balko | 

    ….the Motorhome Diaries, which was a similar injustice against the “wrong class” (out of state white guys), by a black sheriff and his black deputies.

    Sheriff Hodge isn’t black. And I really don’t think race had anything to do with that case at all. Out-of-state, yes. But race, no.

  30. #30 |  Nancy Lebovitz | 

    I can’t help wondering if the judge had a personal grudge, like his kid not getting on the basketball team.

    #26 | KBCraig: the racial angle is that black people are defaulted into lower class for purposes of being abused by the police, even if they’d be middle class by any other measure.

  31. #31 |  PW | 

    NPR is not helping with the presentation of this case. The long diversion into the Confederate statue thing is just plain silly, and the fact that they lead off the story with it casts an unfortunate shadow over the rest to the point that I’d prefer to hear it from a more impartial observer, even as I’m inclined to sympathize with the rest of the family over what appear to be genuinely absurd charges.

    Again, I’m generally of the opinion that this family got screwed over by the cops and the judge. But my skepticism radar always goes off when the media feels the need to qualify a story of this sort by painting the town as something out of Mississippi Burning simply because it has a Confederate statue on the courthouse lawn (which almost every southern courthouse does).

  32. #32 |  PW | 

    Or to put it another way, NPR is trying to make this story exclusively about race because race drives their leftist worldview. Yet I see very little direct evidence from this story that it was racially motivated – only heavy innuendo about the direction a completely unrelated confederate statue is facing.

    The real story here is a familiar one for us all. It’s cops and their judicial enablers gone wild, botching a raid and arresting the wrong guys, and trying to cover their tracks after the fact because they can’t bear to admit that they did anything wrong as it would subject them to civil liability and, more importantly, strike a blow to their egos.

    As I’ve said many times around here, cops only care about one color: blue. And if you aren’t blue, you’re screwed.

  33. #33 |  Pablo | 

    Wow. As others have said, this story has just about everything.

    I’ve seen a few other cases where judges would not allow a prosecutor to dismiss a case. That is wrong on so many levels. Judges are to ensure that the law is followed in the courtroom. They are not there to decide who gets charged and what the charges should be. I once had a case thrown out post-conviction because the judge did precisely that.

  34. #34 |  Zargon | 

    And this shitty outcome is one we get when the defendant has a substantial amount of money. One guess as to what happens when he doesn’t. Also one guess as to whether it’s news or business as usual.

  35. #35 |  Steve Sutton | 

    Earlier this morning I listened to a Cato Daily Podcast titled “Race Relations and the War on Drugs” (http://www.cato.org/dailypodcast/podcast-archive.php?podcast_id=1299). Can’t get a better real-life example than this.

  36. #36 |  Cyto | 

    #31 | PW |
    I agree with your analysis about the NPR story. I was even planning to post about the “nuts and bolts” of the writing – it really is hackneyed. Talk about burying the lede – they spend a major chunk of the story talking about the town square which is utterly irrelevant to their story. But I guess they felt that calling the town a bastion of racist rednecks would make for a good hook for the story.

    Unfortunately it gives most people a nice shield to avoid learning the lesson being taught here. Because they wrapped the meat up in a racism tortilla, people all over the country can say, “not here, not us”. The extra wrapper they provided to give easy access to their audience prevents them from understanding that it is the power and the abuse of power that is the problem, not the “evil redneck racists from the south”.

    Stories like this could hasten the end of the drug war, but not if they are hidden behind racial stereotypes that prevent the reader/listener from drawing the truly logical conclusions that the war on drugs is corrupting and must be ended.

  37. #37 |  Cyto | 

    from the post by #25 | KBCraig | I found this story as the top result. It appears that a local guy with connections was pissed because Lesher offered to help his wife with a divorce case. The article details some pretty ridiculous details of the case – he clearly has reason to be pissed at the county officials. Here’s a pretty strong quote:

    “We are finally vindicated from corruption in Red River County,” Mark Lesher said. “The DA didn’t investigate anything and there was perjured testimony he knew about. The DA is a disgrace and should be removed from political office.”

    There’s plenty described in the article that was presented in court to back up that charge.

  38. #38 |  K9kevlar | 

    Cyto the problem IS institutionalized racism. You can not explain away the racial makeup of correctional institutions. Anslinger started the drug war against the darkies and their jazz. Gun control was started to keep lynching safe. Witch hunting is much easier when the witches have a different pigmentation than the hunters.

  39. #39 |  albatross | 

    PW:

    This fits a general pattern of journalism: most journalists honestly only have about ten stories they know how to write, and every story is hammered into the form of one of them. Racism in a small town in the South is a story they already know how to write. For a variety of reasons, over-reaching local cops and old-boy networks that support them don’t fit cleanly into such an existing story pattern.

    k9:

    Race is always there in the background, but the part of this case that really is striking isn’t that the victims are black, but rather that the authorities’ actions are so wildly unreasonable that (for example) state prosecutors and other judges take one look at the case and just want to end it as quickly as possible in favor of the defendants. Perhaps they would have been willing to railroad a white family the same way, perhaps not–I don’t know enough to know, and unless you’re from that small town, neither do you.

  40. #40 |  Pablo | 

    K9–I agree the drug war had racist beginnings and still is used in a discriminatory manner. But it goes beyond that to encompass money and power too. The drug war is just as bad here in Atlanta as anywhere else–just google “Eagle bar raid” or “Kathryn Jonston” and you’ll see why. Almost all of the defendants in drug cases here are black. But so are the majority of police officers and sheriff’s deputies, the mayor of Atlanta, the police chief of Atlanta, most of the city council, and the two top prosecutors (solicitor and DA) in both counties which encompass Atlanta.

  41. #41 |  PW | 

    #36 – You accurately describe the dangers inherent to using the “racism” paradigm for what is really a story about cop abuse. True, it gets the story out there. But it also provides a cover for the real underlying problem, meaning that problem goes unresolved and unaddressed until its next victim comes along.

    OBSERVATIONAL RULES OF THE AMERICAN MEDIA:

    1. The press in the United States is not liberal. It is statist and will naturally side with the state in most news stories involving police misconduct.

    2. The press may nonetheless diverge from the state, albeit irregularly, when the victim of police misconduct is a racial minority and the prosecution itself can be portrayed as racist, regardless of the evidence of actual racism.

    3. In the event of #2 happening, the press will focus upon the vague and intangible dimensions of “societal racism” while either looking past the actual culprits of police misconduct, or interpreting those culprits as “evidence” of the same alleged societal racism without actually doing anything to hold them accountable for their specific and tangible wrongs in the instance of the story.

    The result is the police/prosecutors/judges walk, and the town/state/society at large gets painted as an irredeemably racist monster that created and sanctioned the tangible wrong of police misconduct through social and environmental means.

  42. #42 |  PW | 

    #38 – Hearst & Anslinger started the drug war against hemp competition to newspaper pulp, and Jazz etc. was simply a convenient argument for the racially prejudiced political climate of the time.

    It has long since morphed into a monster that targets all people irrespective of race. Racial minorities do indeed tend to have less access to legal defense and the resources to pay for it, hence the higher incarceration rates. But the police can and will abuse anyone and everyone of any color in their pursuit of that war.

    Cory Maye and Ryan Frederick experienced strikingly similar instances of cop corruption. One is black and the other white, but both are unjustly behind bars because the system doesn’t really care what color they are. It’s not blue, so therefore both belong to “the rest.”

  43. #43 |  PW | 

    I should also and another rule:

    4. All partisan political affiliations that do not naturally fit into the “societal racism” paradigm will be conveniently ignored and overlooked in any press coverage surrounding that official.

    http://www.txdemocrats.org/people/elected-officials/district-courts/

  44. #44 |  Cynical in CA | 

    Really?

    Meh.

    Racism in East Texas? Whodathunkit?

    I’m surprised by your surprise Radley.

  45. #45 |  Cyto | 

    After following the advice to google the attorney in this case, it seems that Red River County has its share of detractors for corruption. According to this “corruption tracking” site, they’ve got a city secretary who embezzled 100k but still works there (for the mayor who signed the checks she stole), other seemingly corrupt prosecutions – all in all it sounds like the real story is a corrupt small town ruling class. It would have been cool if NPR had dug in to that story more deeply to get the real breadth of corruption in the small town. It looks like the drug war is just one tool that this small arm of the state uses to maintain control. They’ve also got sexual assault, code enforcement, even bait-and-switch on plea deals (site alleges a 4 month offer became 10 years in reality)…

    The linked site is of questionable quality – there are hints and allegations of sexual impropriety involving the DA and the expert Psychology witness in the Lesher case among other things – but it is a pretty good compendium of corruption threads that would give a reporter a place to start in building a list of interviewees.

  46. #46 |  K9kevlar | 

    PW as far as the Maye-Fredericks thing, what pigment got death? Which witch was chosen to die?

  47. #47 |  PW | 

    46 – the Death Penalty issue between Maye and Frederick came down to courtroom decisions between the judges and prosecutors, not race.

    The only discrepancy between the two that arguably affected the outcome is the issue of defense counsel in the initial trial. Maye had an inexperienced and ill-equipped lawyer, owing to a combination of the aforementioned lack of resources to hire someone better and the fact that the case had not yet attained a high profile in the press. Frederick had a better lawyer in round 1, and his case was a media frenzy from the start (in part due to the similarities with Maye, which gave defendant’s rights activists a bit of a roadmap on how to fight the corrupt police-prosecutor system).

    I’ve yet to see any evidence though that race determined anything, and since Maye is no longer on death row they’re both getting screwed over badly by the system in a very similar way.

  48. #48 |  PW | 

    #44 – It’s actually more northeast Texas (it’s called Red River County for a reason), and though I see plenty of corruption and a media agenda that tries to beat this story into the “small racist southern town” paradigm while generally shirking any real culpability for the corrupt local government, I’ve yet to see any actual evidence of overt anti-black racism…though no deficit of evidence for corruption in that local government.

  49. #49 |  Rojo | 

    “Clarksville was one of the first places settled in the state of Texas. After 190 years since its founding, the town of 3,200 retains a slightly dilapidated Southern charm.”

    Texas was uninhabited until about 190 years ago??

  50. #50 |  K9kevlar | 

    Albatross I really do not find anything striking about any of this as far as the state actors are concerned. This is all run of the mill. Albeit a grist mill, but still just day to day operations.

  51. #51 |  PW | 

    San Antonio was founded in 1716. The “190 years” bit is simply more of NPR’s lame attempt to play up the “old times here are not forgotten” angle of its entrenched societal racism paradigm.

  52. #52 |  Cynical in CA | 

    OK, PW. I confess, you got me. I jumped to the conclusion that since it was an established white power structure that targeted black victims in that town that it was racially motivated. And because none of us have ever read here about other such incidents in the South, it was really an amazing logical leap. You got me. I’m a work in progress, especially when it comes to stereotypes.

    I guess you could sum it up by saying that racism may exist in the US, but it hasn’t been conclusively demonstrated yet. Do me a favor and let me know when it has, kay?

  53. #53 |  K9kevlar | 

    I am still waiting for someone to explain why this case is so out of the ordinary. Today is Dec 7. If the news at 6 and 11 reported that Arabs were being rounded up and put in camps I honestly think that most of you would post something tomorrow about how it was unprecedented. Come on. Captain Renault wasn’t really shocked when Rick’s got raided.

  54. #54 |  PW | 

    #52 –

    1. How do you know it’s an “established white power structure” and not just a typical run-of-the-mill corrupt small town police department not unlike what may be found in similarly sized towns in any other state of the union? If you want to fling the charge of racism around, you better damn well be prepared to show racism! Otherwise you’re only using unsubstantiated charges of racism to obscure another and perhaps even more insidious problem, and that benefits nobody.

    2. While Texas was technically part of the old Confederacy, it is also the most culturally distinct and politically dissimilar of the “southern” states. The county you speak of isn’t in a particularly “southern” part of the state (it’s literally ON the Oklahoma border, which is as far north as you can get this side of the panhandle), it doesn’t have a very large black population to begin with, and it was about as far removed from the racial turmoil of the 1960’s “Deep South” as rural Kansas. In other words, to treat it like Neshoba County, Mississippi circa 1964 is simply silly.

    3. We aren’t living in the 60’s anymore. They happened half a century ago. Not even Neshoba County, Mississippi is Neshoba County, Mississippi circa 1964 anymore. So get over it.

  55. #55 |  TC | 

    “And just to remind everyone this all started with the purchase of a bag of weed. A BAG OF WEED leads to the prosecution/judge pushing for life in prison for the entire family who were completely unaware of what was going on. I would love to see the tortured logic a drug warrior has to go through to justify this crap.”

    Chalk it up as another WIN for the war against drugs! Forget actually hanging one they fucked an entire family, probably will force the community to look for other insurance, or go broke paying off those they chose to fuck.

    Was this guy really that bad of a BBall coach?!!

    ********

    Wade Goodwyn of NPR has got to be some sorta sick boy! Busted his ass to make this about race, he should try for honest employment along the lines of, “make it a biggie for a buck”.

    *******

    as to the Lesher bashing.. http://abcnews.go.com/Technology/AheadoftheCurve/story?id=6960397&tqkw=&tqshow=&page=1

    It’s sad that as a society the mere accusation will bring forth the multitudes willing to throw the first stone and keep on throwing them even if they are disclosed the truth about someone.

    The recent FB cartoon gig that twisted into a child molesters dream scape to being debunked as nothing at all related. One lady got offended because several pointed out the truth about the child molester thing. She gets offended as though folks were chastising her, and says “but there are child molesters on FB”!

    People are nuts!

  56. #56 |  Cynical in CA | 

    The lady doth protest too much.

  57. #57 |  croaker | 

    @12 Judges can’t be sued in most cases. Sovereign Immunity. Which is why a short rope and a tall tree is always an option.

    @22 Your “book” would take up a small library and make you as hated and targeted as Julian Assange. Only you would end up with a bullet in your brain and a 5 year old’s penis in your mouth. (Rule #1: Make sure you frame your chosen Enemy Of The State(tm) with the most heinous crime imaginable to ensure that he won’t become a martyr. Blake’s 7, Episode 1)

  58. #58 |  BSK | 

    …sigh…

  59. #59 |  K9kevlar | 

    PW if by chance you leave your house this winter, ask anyone with a really good tan what they think about DWB then get back to us on that racism thing.

  60. #60 |  PW | 

    #58 & 59 –

    I don’t expect to convince two persons who have repeatedly demonstrated that they view the entire world through a thick racial lens. It is therefore sufficient to simply call attention to the existence of that lens for the rest.

  61. #61 |  BSK | 

    K9-

    Don’t bother with this guy. He’s a troll. Unless someone is wearing an “I heart Hitler” t-shirt, he insists there is no racism. Oh, except the forms directed at white folks. That shit is REAL. He somehow managed to infer my stance on this article from a simple “sigh”. I didn’t even read the comments until just now. But of course, in his myopic world, my sigh was somehow simultaneously directed at him and at whitey in general, because I am incapable of even breathing heavily without secretly playing the “race card”. Good luck with the troll, everyone! Feed at your own risk.

  62. #62 |  BSK | 

    Before we stick our head in the sand and deny the possibility of racism existing in Northeast Texas in 2010, how about we observe this incident:
    http://sfbayview.com/2009/kkk-vs-new-black-panthers-in-paris-texas/

    Now, I realize that was a whole 40 minutes down the road and happened WAY back in 2009. But, ya know, the presence of neo-Nazis is nothing to ignore. Does this mean every white person in Texas is racist? Nope. Does it mean this specific case, or any other specific incident, is necessarily race based? Nope. Does it mean we can put to bed the idea that racism is dead in East Texas (or anywhere else for that matter)? Yea, I’m pretty sure it can do that…

  63. #63 |  PW | 

    Just like everything else you post, your “stance” on this article is a safe assumption from your track record, BSK. That’s what happens when you go around accusing the security cameras at Costco of being “racist” and habitually framing all of your stances in marxian & racial terminology – you start to get a reputation.

  64. #64 |  PW | 

    Now, I realize that was a whole 40 minutes down the road and happened WAY back in 2009. But, ya know, the presence of neo-Nazis is nothing to ignore. Does this mean every white person in Texas is racist?

    Now isn’t that interesting. Based on your description above, I expected the accompanying link to be some sort of news story about a massive neo-nazi klan rally.

    Except it wasn’t. Instead, we’re treated to what appears to be a blog by somebody named “Davey D” showing a grand whopping total of two nazi agitators acting like the idiots they are in front of a mob of black people 100 times their size.

    It gets better though as Davey D also appears to be an open sympathizer with – you guessed it – the Nation of Islam, aka the radical murderous black supremacist hate group that you also seem to have a history of downplaying, IIRC. Davey D’s “reporting” comes directly from a Nation of Islam source going by the name of “Brother Jesse Muhammad,” and links approvingly to Farrakhan’s Final Call website.

    In short, BSK, you came here to lecture others about racial hatred but ended up promoting a racial hate group website yourself. And true to form you apparently either didn’t realize it, or you secretly approve of that racial hate group because you think their skin color means they don’t really count as hate. How’s that for irony!

  65. #65 |  BSK | 

    Twist, twist, twist.

    Before I even open my mouth, I’m accused of taking a position. That’s a fair starting point.

    And, did I argue that the link posted demonstrated that Texas was full of white racists? Nope. But it did demonstrate that racism, in all its forms, is far from dead in East Texas. PW… you dismiss any instance of anti-black racism as an isolated example. When are you willing to look at the pattern and say, “Hmm, maybe there is more going on here?”

    Let’s ask a simple question. What group of people in modern-day America do you think are most often the victims of racism? This is a question you SHOULD be able to answer in a word or two… at most, one or two sentences. SO please stick to the topic. I think it should be very telling. And, if you are unable to answer the question, I’ll go ahead and share with people what you’ve stated previously. But I’ll go ahead and give you the chance to speak for yourself. A luxury you regularly deny me.

  66. #66 |  PW | 

    You’ve opened your mouth and taken positions so many times before, BSK, that we already know what your race-obsessed angle will be. Feigning innocence of past positions you have taken doesn’t work when you’re already a known and established entity.

    And neither does lying about what you said previously. You did not attack “racism, in all its forms” in East Texas as you now dishonestly claim. Rather you claimed the place was spilling over with neonazis and white supremacists, saying not one word about other forms of racism. Your undoing was when you tried to prove your point with a link that (1) showed a grand whopping total of two nazi nutcases, (2) showed a much larger crowd of Nation of Islam black supremacists, and (3) came from a racist website that openly sympathizes with the Nation of Islam itself.

    Again, that suggests you are either being willfully dishonest in your presentation of facts or you actually sympathize with the Nation of Islam (as you have also done in the past). Neither is an enviable position to be in.

  67. #67 |  Cyto | 

    #52 | Cynical in CA |

    Check the link in #45. The entrenched white power structure may indeed be replete with racists, but they are perfectly willing to use that power abusively without regard to race. Although one could decide to make the case all about race, I think that would miss the true story of corruption and abuse of power. When that is done (as in the case of the NPR story) what should be heard as a clarion call against the corrupting power of the war on drugs becomes a contentious “whitey is out to get us” story that leads nowhere.

    For evidence of my supposition I direct your attention to the later portion of the commentary on this thread.

  68. #68 |  BSK | 

    Seeing as PW has chosen to avoid the question, I will answer it on his behalf:

    His assertion is that only the smallest minority of racism is aimed at blacks and only by extremists operating on the fringe of society. The overwhelming majority of the racism that exists is aimed at white folks. ‘Nuff said.

  69. #69 |  PW | 

    BSK – It’s good to see that your penchant for lying still includes straw men.

    It’s also thoroughly amusing to see the lengths you go to place a veneer of libertarianism over your thoroughly marxian racial obsession, only to have it wiped completely away at the slightest prodding. This time it only took a couple posts to get from disingenuous complaints that I had unfairly assumed your motive to a complete and public display of that motive through your posting of a Nation of Islam link to make your argument!

  70. #70 |  pam | 

    @12 and a dead dog.

  71. #71 |  Cynical in CA | 

    #67 | Cyto

    I re-read my comment, and aside from my snarkiness, for the life of me, I can’t see how what I wrote was incorrect in any way.

    PW sees everything as unfounded allegations of racism. I hold forth the very real and logical possibility that racism is a factor.

    Since PW uses a very high threshold for actual instances of racism, I am willing to defer to his judgment on when something is truly racist instead of being perceived, possibly falsely, as racism. I mean, you’re right — racism is just a subset, albeit a large one, of sovereignty abuse. Can’t lose sight of the forest for the trees.

    Wow, who knew navel gazing could be so much fun!!!

  72. #72 |  JOR | 

    “…thoroughly marxian racial obsession…”

    Calling the “racial obsession” of anti-racists Marxian, is like calling Rand’s “class obsession” Marxian. Marx had a racial agenda of sorts, but it was standard issue 19th Century Unindustrialized-Colored-Folks-Are-Subhuman sort of stuff.

    Shit, on second thought maybe Rand was a Marxist after all…

  73. #73 |  PW | 

    JOR – The person in question does not practice anti-racism in the classical liberal sense. Rather, he adapts race to the position originally occupied by class in the traditional marxian framework. (IOW, “oppressed minority group” X becomes the proletariat complete with its own unifying set of collective interests and so forth, with white/male/western/european etc. always occupying the position of the bourgeois oppressor).

    While it is correct that Marx personally shared some of the well known 19th century prejudices against unindustrialized people and races, the adaptation of racial identity politics to the marxian framework has been a virtual obsession among his intellectual heirs for decades if not the better part of the last century. It is also the case that the underpinnings of this movement WERE present in Marx’s own thought and writings. See in particular his commentary on the American Civil War, where he did little to conceal his belief that the black slaves were one in the same with a proletarian class uprising.

  74. #74 |  PW | 

    “I hold forth the very real and logical possibility that racism is a factor.”

    I simply request that if you wish to make that claim, it is also incumbent upon you to provide direct and tangible evidence of its validity. And a century old Confederate statute at the courthouse falls far short of that standard of evidence.

  75. #75 |  K9kevlar | 

    PW does the dead nigger swinging in his jail cell do it? Or do you think he was so fucking distraught after getting caught with a joint that he really did decide to end it all?

  76. #76 |  Radley Balko | 

    K9kevlar —

    This is your last warning. Make your point without being an ass or I’m banning you.

  77. #77 |  Radley Balko | 

    Actually, never mind. Just saw your other comments. You aren’t contributing anything useful here.

  78. #78 |  Cynical in CA | 

    It’s not the statue, silly. It’s anecdotal evidence like Byrd getting dragged to pieces and the many other stories of a similar nature that emanate from all over the great state of Texas, whether privately or publicly inflicted. And Texas is certainly not alone. AZ’s Maricopa County is another hotbed, and so on.

    Is there a culture of racism in Texas? That’s hard to prove. But there sure are a lot of “isolated” incidents, no? When do those many grains of sand become a pile?

  79. #79 |  BSK | 

    “I simply request that if you wish to make that claim, it is also incumbent upon you to provide direct and tangible evidence of its validity. And a century old Confederate statute at the courthouse falls far short of that standard of evidence.”

    If you are going to make the claim that I am a Marxit, I think it is incumbent upon you to provide direct and tangible envidence that I am. I have never read a word of Marx. And I’m pretty sure I’ve never even spoke of Marx, except to refute your assertions that I pray at his alter.

    But, since you are so much more knowledgeable about me and my perspectives than I am, please continue to inform everyone of what I REALLY mean and what I REALLY think and where I’m REALLY coming from.

    You also completely avoided the question because you are afraid of the answer.

    Does the authorship of the website really matter if there is video and photographic evidence of skin heads and KKK members in Texas? I was demonstrating that explicit racism still exists in TX. I was not taking a stand on that particular writer; it was simply the first google article that popped up. So, yea, keep conjecturing about me and my motives, while hiding behind the veneer of intellectualism that is really just a shield for your rampant hate.

    Again, for the audience, please answer the question: What group do you think is most frequently the target of racism in this country? A one word answer will suffice. Surely you can squeeze it into your hate-filled rants.

  80. #80 |  PW | 

    #79 – Easy. Just go back and look at all of your past comments on how we need to establish “equity and justice” for “brown people.”

    Of course if you maintain that you are not a racial marxist, I welcome any elucidation on your part that would show otherwise.

  81. #81 |  PW | 

    Does the authorship of the website really matter if there is video and photographic evidence of skin heads and KKK members in Texas?

    Your Nation of Islam website link has a single photograph. I see no Klan hoods in it and a grand total of 2 skinheads holding a single Nazi flag. They are surrounded by a thin layer of police, which separates them from a crowd of several hundred from the Nation of Islam contingent that put out that “article.”

    The fact that you zeroed in on those two neo-nazis while COMPLETELY IGNORING the much larger black hate group that you apparently happen to agree with betrays your real motive here, BSK. Nice try though.

  82. #82 |  PW | 

    I was demonstrating that explicit racism still exists in TX.

    Oh indeed it does. And in the evidence you provided, the explicitly racist Nation of Islam thugs outnumbered the explicitly racist neo-nazi idiots by about a hundred to one.

  83. #83 |  BSK | 

    Why do you keep dodging the question? Your refusal to answer is starting to get scary.

    If you look at the entire website, you would have also seen a video, made by the AP (are they also black supremists?) that showed at least 5 skinheads and one man who apparently self-identified as a KKK member (unless the AP just stuck that under his name, which I doubt, but I suppose is possible).

    The conversation was about the presence of anti-black racism in Texas, which you argued was essentially dead and gone. I posted evidence to the contrary. We were not discussing anti-white racism. If we were, I would have addressed that. But we weren’t.

    You try to turn everything into a litmus test… “Immediately denounce the NoI or you are a white-hating racist!” You did the same thing to another poster regarding Israel. It’s just a disgusting habit and is as anti-intellectual as it gets.

    As to your racial marxist… I still don’t know much of anything about Marxism… so it’s hard for me to address that. I believe in anti-racism. I believe in stopping the oppression of individuals and groups. I believe in my own personal pursuit of “social justice”, which may or may not fit into definitions others have used, being that I’ve never really read anyone else’s definition.

    So, again, please answer now TWO questions: Which group in America do you feel is most frequently the target of racism? AND what evidence is there that I subscribe to Marxist beliefs? If you can’t answer these, it’s clearly because the answer is too ugly (as is likely the case to the first question) or you can’t outside of twisted words, attempted “gotcha” moments, and other baseless presumptions (likely the case in the latter).

    And if I need to stand on a soapbox and denounce the NoI to be qualified to speak on race and racism, then you’re just being deliberately obtuse.

  84. #84 |  PW | 

    If you look at the entire website, you would have also seen a video, made by the AP (are they also black supremists?) that showed at least 5 skinheads and one man who apparently self-identified as a KKK member

    So in other words, the Nation of Islam black supremacist thugs only outnumbered the white supremacist thugs by about 30 to 1 instead.

    Thank you once again for proving my points – both the one about which hate group is more numerous and the one about your own jaded perception that apparently renders you unable to see racial hatred practiced by anyone other than “whitey.”

  85. #85 |  PW | 

    “The perception that Farakhan is a Jew-hating, white-hating hate mongering racist is partly the result of how the media has unfavorably covered him.” – BSK, 7/21/10

    Source: http://www.theagitator.com/2010/07/20/late-afternoon-links-3/#comment-406966

    Yet you wonder why I suspect you of Nation of Islam sympathies, or why I’m suspicious when you conveniently brush aside 200 Nation of Islam goons while spewing incessantly about a half dozen white supremacist goons nearby.

    Res ipsa loquitur.

  86. #86 |  BSK | 

    Which group in America do you feel is most frequently the target of racism? AND what evidence is there that I subscribe to Marxist beliefs?

    Either answer the questions or shut the fuck up. How’s that, asshole?

  87. #87 |  BSK | 

    (By the way, how sad is it that you have little to do with your time than go back over 6 months of comments? Eash man… Get a life. You really ARE obsessed with me… sad, sad, sad…)

  88. #88 |  PW | 

    Going over 6 months of comments? Nah. Try 5 seconds googling for the words “Nation of Islam” on this site.

    And you are the one who asked why your continued evasion of the Nation of Islam aroused suspicions. You’re simply upset now that I’ve obliged you with an answer, and that answer isn’t a pretty one.

  89. #89 |  BSK | 

    Which group in America do you feel is most frequently the target of racism? AND what evidence is there that I subscribe to Marxist beliefs?

    I’m starting to think you simply can’t read…

  90. #90 |  BSK | 

    Neither that website nor that columnist have any direct, formal, or official affiliations with the NoI. If your point is that his linking to a writer who is a member of the NoI somehow discounts everything they or I have ever said, I simply don’t know where to start.

    About the paper (not a blog, mind you): http://sfbayview.com/about/

  91. #91 |  BSK | 

    And the writer: http://www.daveyd.com/whoisdaveyd.html

  92. #92 |  BSK | 

    “And you are the one who asked why your continued evasion of the Nation of Islam aroused suspicions. You’re simply upset now that I’ve obliged you with an answer, and that answer isn’t a pretty one.”

    And I never asked why my “evasion” “aroused suspicions”. What I said is that I’m not going to play a game where I have to demonstrate my own credibility by disavowing groups I have nothing to do with. That is pointless and intellectually dishonest and demonstrates that you are more interested in playing games and winning than actually engaging in discourse. Kudos to you. You’re a 5-year-old.

  93. #93 |  PW | 

    “And I never asked why my “evasion” “aroused suspicions”.”

    Sure you did, by calling my questioning of your evasiveness on the Nation of Islam “obtuse”:

    And if I need to stand on a soapbox and denounce the NoI to be qualified to speak on race and racism, then you’re just being deliberately obtuse.

    And yet it isn’t obtuse after all, as I have provided direct evidence as to why your apparent sympathy for the Nation of Islam does indeed disqualify you to lecture others on racism at least insofar as you present yourself as an “anti-racist” while defending a man who is arguably the most prominent and influential racial hate monger in the public sphere today, to wit:

    “The perception that Farakhan is a Jew-hating, white-hating hate mongering racist is partly the result of how the media has unfavorably covered him.” – BSK, 7/21/10

    I’m not asking you to disavow the NoI out of the blue, BSK. I’m asking you to disavow them because you have a documented pattern of appearing to defend them and promoting their materials, of which your link above was only the latest example. And as long as you continue to do that, you have no more business lecturing me or anyone else on racism than a Holocaust denier speaking on antisemitism.

  94. #94 |  PW | 

    “Neither that website nor that columnist have any direct, formal, or official affiliations with the NoI.”

    Yet another fib. From your own link:

    Brother Jesse Muhammad of the Final Call newspaper was one of the first to break this story. He was present at the rally on Tuesday and gave us an in-depth breakdown of what took place. You can peep out Brother Jesse’s blog here: http://jessemuhammad.blogs.finalcall.com/.

    You can’t get much more “direct” than a direct supportive link to Farrakhan’s hate newsletter and accompanying encouragement to your readers to check it out, not to mention using photographs and materials supplied directly by the NoI in your own story. And “Davey D” did all of that…just in time for you to repost it here.

  95. #95 |  PW | 

    (1) An ever-present race obsession surrounding almost every political issue you comment on whether race is relevant or not + (2) a tendency to automatically divide the world along lines of collective racial identities + (3) an underlying assumption that one of those racial identities, “white people,” is the oppressor of all the rest, also known as “brown people” in your recurring terminology + (4) a general belief that said “brown people” suffer from an unfair distribution of rights, wealth, and political power as a result of the assumption you make in three = racial marxist.

    And all four of those factors are repeatedly demonstrated characteristics of your posts here, hence direct and demonstrated evidence of your underlying racial marxism.

  96. #96 |  BSK | 

    So if a writer links to an individual, that means he agrees with and espouses everything that person does? Really? Okay. That basically eliminates everyone on the internet from ever commenting on anything. Since everything eventually backtracks to everything else.

    And I suppose I should look through every link posted on every website ever. Ya know, because I wasn’t simply doing a quick Google search to demonstrate that racism is far from dead. As I stated to begin.

    You are completely misunderstanding my quote on Farrakhan. My point was that Farrakhan is more than what he is portrayed in the media… as just about any individual is. Does Farrakhan have a horrible record with regards to race relations and interfaith relations? Absolutely. Has he also done a lot of good within the African American community, particularly when it comes to mentoring young men? Absolutely. We hear all of the former and none of the latter. So, yea, I think the perception of him is a bit skewed, even if it is based on facts (though not the entire database of facts). Yet, because I don’t denounce him fully and call for his head, I must be in bed with him. Sure, big guy. You’re really playing fair. Because that’s just what you’re doing. You’re playing a game.

    And, again, Which group in America do you feel is most frequently the target of racism? AND what evidence is there that I subscribe to Marxist beliefs?

    If you are not going to answer the questions, at least say so and say why. I can’t imagine you’ve yet to see this question posed to you, since you go through every one of my comments with a fine toothed comb, looking for an out-of-place word that you can parade around 6 months later. At least I try to respond to your inquiries, as inane and nonsensical as they are. I’m simply trying to get you to repeat something you’ve said before, yet seem completely unwilling to do.

  97. #97 |  PW | 

    “So if a writer links to an individual, that means he agrees with and espouses everything that person does?”

    Another fib. “Davey D” not only linked to the NoI, he encouraged his readers to go there and borrowed approvingly from their materials for his own article. Nice try to dance around that one though.

  98. #98 |  PW | 

    “My point was that Farrakhan is more than what he is portrayed in the media… as just about any individual is. Does Farrakhan have a horrible record with regards to race relations and interfaith relations? Absolutely. Has he also done a lot of good within the African American community, particularly when it comes to mentoring young men? Absolutely. We hear all of the former and none of the latter.”

    Interesting reasoning. Let’s test it out in another scenario…

    “My point was that David Duke is more than what he is portrayed in the media… as just about any individual is. Does Duke have a horrible record with regards to race relations and interfaith relations? Absolutely. Has he also done a lot of good for the people of Louisiana, particularly when it comes to representing his constituency? Absolutely. We hear all of the former and none of the latter.”

    Or another…

    “My point was that Hitler is more than what he is portrayed in the media… as just about any individual is. Does Hitler have a horrible record with regards to the Jews? Absolutely. Has he also done a lot of good within the Reich, particularly when it comes to mentoring Der Hitlerjugend and making the trains run on time? Absolutely. We hear all of the former and none of the latter.”

    The point is that some people are so thoroughly hate filled, have done or encouraged so many horrible things to innocent others, and have so much blood on their hands, directly and indirectly, that any of their alleged “good” qualities are effectively rendered moot. Hitler, Duke, and Farrakhan all fit into that category.

    And that doesn’t even get into your highly dubious assertion that recruiting young people into a black supremacist death cult is a positive and beneficial form of “mentoring.”

  99. #99 |  BSK | 

    I’m not playing this game. Either answer the question or move on:
    Which group in America do you feel is most frequently the target of racism? AND what evidence is there that I subscribe to Marxist beliefs?

    Your unending evasiveness is VERY telling.

  100. #100 |  BSK | 

    Ah… here we go… no need to say anything PW… you already have:
    “Also BSK, when have I EVER said that racism “doesn’t exist”? Racism certainly exists. I simply maintain that 99% of the racism that exists fits into one of two categories:

    1. The marginalized political fringe that all members of decent society rightfully ignore to the point that it’s a comical embarrassment whenever it rears its ugly head (e.g. the modern day KKK, which is more of a bad joke that pretty much gets shamed out of the discussion whenever it pops up)

    2. The institutionalized type that still exists because its members are viewed as part of a “protected” group and are therefore given a pass, if not outright encouraged in their behavior, by the media, the government, and most of the political establishment (e.g. the Jesse Jacksons, New Black Panthers, La Razas, and – yes – the NAACP, all of which engage in overtly racial politicking and support overtly racist policies such as affirmative action, racial gerrymandering, and dropping the race card to brow beat anyone opposed to anything involving a government program they support)”

    So, 99% of racism is either A) directed at blacks but so “fringey” as to be irrelevant or B) directed at whites. As such, in 99% of situations where racism exists, black folks are not actually harmed (and perhaps propser). Thus, you are saying that anti-black racism is essentially dead. Cool. Nice work.

  101. #101 |  PW | 

    Let’s have a little more fun with quotes while we’re at it…

    “The perception that Farakhan is a Jew-hating, white-hating hate mongering racist is partly the result of how the media has unfavorably covered him.” – BSK, 7/21/10

    “My point was that Farrakhan is more than what he is portrayed in the media… as just about any individual is. Does Farrakhan have a horrible record with regards to race relations and interfaith relations? Absolutely. Has he also done a lot of good within the African American community, particularly when it comes to mentoring young men? Absolutely. We hear all of the former and none of the latter.” – BSK, 12/8/10

    “The Jews don’t like Farrakhan, so they call me Hitler. Well, that’s a good name. Hitler was a very great man.” – Louis Farrakhan, 1984

  102. #102 |  PW | 

    Would you mind telling me, BSK, exactly where I ever said that nobody is ever hurt or wronged by the white supremacist fringe?

    Oh wait. You can’t because I didn’t. To the contrary, I said that they are thoroughly condemned by all decent society.

    Or do you have counter-evidence somewhere of somebody coming to the Klan’s defense? Or perhaps even a quote that “acknowledges” the Klan’s racial record in heavily qualified terms, then praises them for running a good “youth outreach” program that “mentors” troubled young people?

  103. #103 |  BSK | 

    Wow, man, you are seriously troubled. You can’t even own up to what you said. What made you so bitter? Why such a chip on your shoulder when it comes to black folks? Did you get cut from your high school basketball team in favor of a black guy? Did you get dumped for a darker skinned brother? Passed over for a promotion that you assumed was “affirmative action”? You got some real issues man. You can’t even deal with reality, the reality that you created. YOU said that 99% of racism is irrelevant or beneficial to black people. When confronted with that, you trot out the same old tired Farrakhan nonsense. That’s all people like you have. “I can’t be racist because this one black guy is MORE racist!” You really are beyond talking to. From now on, whenever you go on one of your blathering rants (which you are assured to do, because despite your instance that your primary interest is police abuse, you pop up primarily in conversations relating to race and religion), I’m just going to post this quote so all can see what an ignorant little nothing you are.

  104. #104 |  BSK | 

    “[C]omical embarrassment whenever it rears its ugly head” implies a failure. A group would not be embarrassed if they achieved their desired ends, no matter how much ridicule they received. So, yea, the implication is no harm, no foul. Try again, tough guy.

  105. #105 |  BSK | 

    And, to think, I actually agreed with your initial impression, that the article overplayed the race angle when there was enough in the anti-drug-war and general-abuse-of-power to demonstrate just how absurd the story was. But a simple “…sigh…” to this effect set you off. Because god FORBID someone even consider speaking out against racism!

  106. #106 |  BSK | 

    And, PW, if my assessment of your quote is wrong, then please speak for yourself:

    What group in America today do you feel is more frequently the victim of racism? I’ve given you more than enough opportunities to answer yourself. You’ve chosen not to so I have nothing else go off except what you’ve said elsewhere.

  107. #107 |  PW | 

    “Wow, man, you are seriously troubled.”

    Coming from the guy who praises Farrakhan and thinks the NoI has gotten a bad rap in the press, I’ll take that as a complement!

    And by all means, post away whatever you like. Despite your unfounded insinuations otherwise, I have nothing to hide and could honestly care less about you quoting an assessment from me on the present state of race relations that you apparently find objectionable for whatever reason though you cannot be bothered to refute without indulging in straw man characterizations of it. If I were you though I’d be much more concerned about somebody quoting your own whacked out defenses of the most powerful living racial hatemonger in America today:

    “The perception that Farakhan is a Jew-hating, white-hating hate mongering racist is partly the result of how the media has unfavorably covered him.” – BSK, 7/21/10

    “My point was that Farrakhan is more than what he is portrayed in the media… as just about any individual is. Does Farrakhan have a horrible record with regards to race relations and interfaith relations? Absolutely. Has he also done a lot of good within the African American community, particularly when it comes to mentoring young men? Absolutely. We hear all of the former and none of the latter.” – BSK, 12/8/10

  108. #108 |  BSK | 

    So, acknowledging both the positive (impact on African-American youths) and the negative (explicit hatred) and noting that, on balance, there is far more of the latter than the former, just not as much as the media might lead us to believe, is not only defending him, but praising him?

    I see… you are too simple-minded to recognize nuance. People are either all good or all bad… pure benevolence or pure evil. Since Farrakhan has so much ugliness associated with him, his is devoid of even the possibility of doing good at times. The man can’t walk down the street without kicking puppies in the mouth! So, you’ll trot out one quote about one man and our perception of him, which really says very little about me (even if it does say everything you say it does, it demonstrates a blind spot for Farrakhan, not the world as a whole). You, on the other hand, have a worldview so warped by your own bitterness as to believe that whites are the true victims of racism in modern society. Yet, there is a glimmer of hope… your refusal to even acknowledge this perception of yours for so long, until I dug it out of the archives, demonstrates that maybe, just maybe, you realize it’s wrong (though it’s far more likely you just realize it’s unpopular and you want to maintain whatever standing you think you have here, since your popularity on the interwebs is probably where you derive most of your self-worth from).

    So, at the end of the day, at worst, I’m dead wrong on Farrakhan. You, on the other hand, are dead wrong on racism in general. I’d take my lot there over yours any day.

  109. #109 |  PW | 

    I don’t “feel” any “group” is the “victim” of racism in America, BSK.

    I know of individuals who have been victims of racist acts by other individuals. I also tend to find such acts offensive no matter where they come from.

    By contrast, you appear willing to overlook some of them if the perpetrator is someone you happen to sympathize with because, you know, he “mentors young people” and “helps his community”….even if it is by teaching them about how all the “White Devils” and their “Bloodsucker Jew” financiers who conspire to keep them in poverty.

  110. #110 |  BSK | 

    And, to indulge your deliberate obtuseness:

    “Also BSK, when have I EVER said that racism “doesn’t exist”? Racism certainly exists. I simply maintain that 99% of the racism that exists fits into one of two categories:

    1. The marginalized political fringe that all members of decent society rightfully ignore to the point that it’s a comical embarrassment whenever it rears its ugly head (e.g. the modern day KKK, which is more of a bad joke that pretty much gets shamed out of the discussion whenever it pops up)

    2. The institutionalized type that still exists because its members are viewed as part of a “protected” group and are therefore given a pass, if not outright encouraged in their behavior, by the media, the government, and most of the political establishment (e.g. the Jesse Jacksons, New Black Panthers, La Razas, and – yes – the NAACP, all of which engage in overtly racial politicking and support overtly racist policies such as affirmative action, racial gerrymandering, and dropping the race card to brow beat anyone opposed to anything involving a government program they support)”

    We can clearly derive from this that, if institutionalized racism against blacks or other PoCs exist, it is less than 1% of total racism. If racism against PoCs in the courts or the police force or the criminal justice system in general exist, it is less than 1% of total racism. If we stand by your original assertion, I see no way for these two forms of racism to make up any more than 1% of general racism, given how you dole out the other 99% of it.

    Is that fair? Or am I still engaging a strawman?

  111. #111 |  BSK | 

    When have I said I overlook it? Never. WHOOPS! You are the king of strawmans. You’re quite like the scarecrow from the Wizard of Oz… no brains and all.

    You’re not worth it, man. Enjoy your bitter life. My hunch is you are on the way out anyway and people that share my perspective (which I could probably simply state is one based in reality, but will go so far as to say one that is progressive and forward thinking and attempting to better the world as oppose to fissure it) are on the way up. Good luck holding on to whatever little false-reality you’ve carved out for yourself. If this blog is it, so be it. You’ve officially ruined it for me, as I’ve seen you do for others. I hope you’re happy. I’m sure Radley is, especially since I’ve seen him call you out for the exact same nonsense I have.

    Respond if you want… I won’t read it. But that’s probably par for the course for you, he who tilts at windmills. Good luck, buddy! And be sure to watch behind you… Farrakhan may be sneaking up behind you RIGHT NOW!!!!!!!!

  112. #112 |  PW | 

    So, acknowledging both the positive (impact on African-American youths) and the negative (explicit hatred) and noting that, on balance, there is far more of the latter than the former, just not as much as the media might lead us to believe, is not only defending him, but praising him?

    Several problems with that.

    1. Sometimes the bad is so bad that it makes any purported good a moot point. It’s like praising Hitler for fixing the German economy despite that little thing about trying to take over the world.

    2. Most people who are in the business of trying to polish up the reputation of a truly bad and horrible person do so because they sympathize with that person more than they are willing to let on. In this sense you’re in the same company as the Holocaust deniers who purport to acknowledge and condemn the death camps then try to revise the murder statistics downward out of “historical accuracy” despite it being anything but.

    3. Even looking past those first two things, you’ve yet to demonstrate how recruiting black youths into a racial supremacist death cult is a “positive” thing for society.

  113. #113 |  PW | 

    “When have I said I overlook it? Never.”

    Persons in the business of overlooking something seldom announce that they are doing so. It kinda defeats the whole purpose of overlooking.

  114. #114 |  Bunny | 

    I’m a little late here but when I read you saying this was the craziest, I thought nah, it can’t be crazier than that case with the drug snitches, and the cops trying to put the whole family on trail in Georgia, and goddammit, it is!

    What the hell.

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