Morning Links

Wednesday, November 3rd, 2010
  • Obama administration cheers Prop 19’s defeat. Assholes.
  • Meanwhile, there’s yet more evidence that Portugal’s decriminalization efforts have been a success.
  • John Cole is upset about Russ Feingold’s defeat (for the record, I am too). So he blames . . . Reason magazine.  Sure, John. That makes perfect sense. Have another drink.
  • Memos detail TSA officer’s hilarious antics of planting fake cocaine on passengers, then chuckling at the terrified looks on their faces. Note that only one coworker turned him in. Prior stories also pointed out how we weren’t permitted to know how this particular worker was disciplined, thanks to the privacy protections afforded to federal employees. Good to know that as TSA workers go through your bags, pat you down, and gaze at your naked body, the government will protect their privacy should they do something inappropriate.
  • Virgin snake has 22 offspring. I’m sure there’s a sacrilegious joke in here somewhere.
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69 Responses to “Morning Links”

  1. #1 |  freebob | 

    I turned on Fox and friends the other morning and they had some ‘expert’ on claiming pot has worse effects on driving than alcohol. I don’t really watch the show but every time I’ve caught it the past couple of weeks they were attacking prop.19.

  2. #2 |  Nando | 

    Virgin snake has 22 offspring? I didn’t even know Christine O’Donnell was pregnant.

    BOOM!

  3. #3 |  SES | 

    I don’t even understand why anybody who wouldn’t also troll the bowels of DU would even bother to read Balloon Juice anymore. I mean, really, has Cole been putting out anything illuminating, or at the very least, not insane lately?

  4. #4 |  Joe | 

    Divided government is the best government, so yes, last night was a victory for us all.

  5. #5 |  Joe | 

    Nando, mean to kick her when she is down, but that is funny.

  6. #6 |  goober1223 | 

    Marijuana will be legal eventually. Religion is dying along with the rest of the silly superstitions, the only one seeming to gain any ground, if at all, is that the government is only here for the benefit of the people. The Medical Marijuana bill here in AZ is going to recount this morning, but I believe I heard that the initial count had it passing. This is going to take some time, but it will happen. I am sure of it.

  7. #7 |  Joe | 

    The TSA is out of control. Fuck you Joe Lieberman for thinking this up.

  8. #8 |  Joe | 

    I would have liked to see Prop 19 pass as an experiment in federalism. But I would not over read its failure. The wording was off and it is hard to tell why it was rejected.

    Eventually it will pass and we can all meet at the Mondrian Roof bar to celebrate.

  9. #9 |  Joe | 

    #4 | Joe | November 3rd, 2010 at 10:38 am
    Divided government is the best government, so yes, last night was a victory for us all.

    –2

    Divided government is not the best government? Boy the progessive-dems are up early this morning.

  10. #10 |  goober1223 | 

    @Joe

    I didn’t mod you down, but I’d say that a better way of saying it would be:

    “Diverse government is the best government.”

    With the additional caveat of:

    “If government is necessary at all.”

  11. #11 |  Rhayader | 

    @freebob: I think the death knell for Prop 19 was the California major newspaper coverage. People didn’t seem to give two shits about the lack of endorsement from major politicians, but as the anti-19 editorials started to pile up, the polls went south. Rich Lee said in a statement that he’s going to give media members a “seat at the table” during the drafting of the 2012 attempt. Assuming they’re not just bullshitting us when they say that they support legalization but not Prop 19, media stances in 2012 will hopefully be more varied.

    Big picture, they got 46% support in a midterm election and turned legalization into a politically viable idea. This thing is gonna happen.

  12. #12 |  Lucy | 

    Joe, some of us lost faith in gridlock in the Bush plus Democratic congress years.

    In other news, Obama continues to be a huge hypocrite. Guys, I did drugs and my life would have been much worse and less successful if I had been caught. But I’m better than you. Okay? Great. Carry on helping cartels and battering down Americans’ doors!

  13. #13 |  Boyd Durkin | 

    goober,

    Religion is dying

    Man created god and man will kill god. I hope government will soon follow the same path.

  14. #14 |  Joe | 

    goober1223, I respect that old school anarchy. But I know people are flawed and separation of powers and limited government seems, with all its problems, still seems better than the alternatives.

    But I would welcome some federalist experiments on less government in the states (combined with culling back that over reaching federal government) just to see what happens. In many ways I suspect less is more.

  15. #15 |  Deoxy | 

    Divided government is only the best government if you don’t want them to get anything done. While that is how I would generally like it, “not getting anything done” right now means leaving heinous (and unconstitutional) legislation in place. Sure, they won’t pass any MORE bad stuff (or at least, not AS bad), but I’d like to actually make some progress towards UNDOING the crazy, unethical, immoral, stupid BS they’ve enacted recently (and some of it not so recently).

    Not that I think Republicans are remotely perfect, of course, but that Frank J column about how the Republicans are like a really annoying dog barking at night compared to the Democrats being like zombie apocalypse makes a pretty good point.

  16. #16 |  Bob | 

    I would have been surprised to see prop 19 pass, I think. I certainly hoped it would, it’s the sane thing to do. The evidence is simply overwhelming that not only is marijuana one of the safest drugs around, but that “Drug Warriors” are raving liars.

    I saw a documentary the other day, in fact, I try to view all the marijuana related material I can. The Documentary was called “Super High Me.”

    It was about a comedian who had been chronically smoking pot for the last 17 years. Pretty much all his adult life. Obviously, it’s probably a bad idea to use any drug to that extent. But that’s not the point. The argument of “People will do it anyway.” is separate from my point. In the documentary, he stops smoking pot for a month, then smokes hard for a month to see what the effects are.

    Here’s my point: As part of the experiment, he regularly visits a doctor. (Like Morgan Spurlock does in “Super Size Me.”) The doctor tells him flat out: “Even though you’ve been doing this for 17 years, you’ve done no permanent damage to yourself.” After his month off, which he does with no issues. No ‘cravings’. no ‘withdrawal’, nothing. He’s basically no different except life sucks a little more for him now.

    Then on to the month of weed. Hard core style. Morning, noon, and night. he’s baked 16 hours a day.

    Clearly, being baked 16 hours a day would get you fired from any job except for being a comedian. You can’t drive a car, operate any machinery, etc.

    But it causes him no medical issues. Unless you do something totally out there, and this guy was pretty far out there… you just can’t GET high enough to get into actual medical trouble.

    Coffee is potentially more dangerous. And yet, I don’t see people going to jail for that.

  17. #17 |  Joe | 

    “Joe, some of us lost faith in gridlock in the Bush plus Democratic congress years.”

    Actually the worse decisions of the Bush years (other than TARP) were before that. And we all would have been better off if there was divided (or diverse) government over the last two years.

  18. #18 |  Deoxy | 

    “In other news, Obama continues to be a huge hypocrite.”

    Only now, he’s a huge hypocrite spending $200 million a day on a personal vacation. I’ve been boggling at that number for the last couple of hours.

    If I could get him to cut that vacation short 1 day and get a 1% finder’s fee for saving that money, I could retire for the rest of my LIFE.

    One percent. Of one day’s expenses. For a PERSONAL VACATION.

  19. #19 |  Shannon's Mouse | 

    I’m not sure Cole is so much blaming Reason as he is trying to point out that the magazine’s commitment to free minds might be called into question when he believes it’s more interested in helping out Tea Party types than honest-to-goodness civil libertarians like Feingold.

    Looking at the cesspool that Hit and Run has become certainly makes me wonder what sort of choir the magazine is playing to.

  20. #20 |  Lucy | 

    Can’t argue with that, Joe. But they were still depressingly cowed to the executive branch.

  21. #21 |  Cynical in CA | 

    •Memos detail TSA officer’s hilarious antics of planting fake cocaine on passengers

    Amazing how many isolated incidents there can be. Probably infinite, when you think about it.

  22. #22 |  Rhayader | 

    @Bob: Yeah I enjoyed “Super High Me”, Benson is a funny dude. It didn’t tell me anything I didn’t already know, but it was fun to watch.

    Not sure if you’re a Netflix subscriber, but I think the best weed documentary out there is “The Union”, which is available for instant streaming. Again, there’s nothing in there fundamentally unfamiliar to people interested in cannabis policy, but it’s very well done and does a good job making clear how devastating the case against prohibition really is.

  23. #23 |  Boyd Durkin | 

    Feingold’s defeat reminds me of Homer’s “Don’t blame me, I voted for Kodos” quote. Yes, Feingold voted against PatAct (and had many other positive planks in his platform…like voting against HJR 114). He also stood up to the pathetic Arlen Specter.

    But he was also a huge supporter of universal health care.

    So, he was able to get some revisions to the PatAct but it still passed. He was unable to stop the Iraq war and unable to get the troops out. He was also unable to get same-sex marriage passed.

    Amazingly, all of this makes Feingold honestly one of the best in Congress.

  24. #24 |  Cynical in CA | 

    #4 | Joe — “Divided government is the best government, so yes, last night was a victory for us all.”

    According to Jefferson, the best government is that which governs the least — which means he was an anarchist.

    But, yes, in terms of what Americans are ready for now, divided government will have to do forever.

  25. #25 |  Radley Balko | 

    Reason had no allegiance to Tea Party candidates. You won’t find any endorsement of Angle or O’Donnell or Paladino or Miller. Rand Paul is the only one who got some favorable coverage, and even that got more critical as he distanced himself from libertarian positions. If you look at who Reason staffers voted for in 2008 (Google it), about a third of the full time staff voted for Obama, about a third for Barr, and about a third didn’t vote. No full-time staffer voted for McCain. Cole trots out the GOP shill line because he’s too lazy (or busy raising money for Democrats — most of whom oppose the very civil liberties he’s criticizing us for endorsing) to address any of the actual arguments we make.

  26. #26 |  Cynical in CA | 

    Alcohol/Tobacco = hundreds of thousands of deaths per year, legal.

    Marijuana = zero deaths per year, illegal.

    Is the government trying to tell us something?

  27. #27 |  Rhayader | 

    Reason had no allegiance to Tea Party candidates.

    Yeah seriously — I hear that “Reason hearts teabaggers lulz!” crap everywhere (not just BJ), and it’s completely unsubstantiated. The record is there for anyone to read, and there is always a curious lack of actual links when people accuse these Koch-fellating glibertarians of secretly worshiping Sarah Palin.

  28. #28 |  Mattocracy | 

    I have a hard time not hating Feingold for McCain-Feingold. He might not like the Patriot Act, but he still likes stomping on the Bill of Rights on way or the other.

  29. #29 |  Irving Washington | 

    Holy crap does Ballon Juice ever suck. What a bunch of sophomoric, tendentious nonsense. Democrats are supporting my civil liberties? Where? Which ones?

  30. #30 |  M | 

    As a techie, I’m more bummed that Rick Boucher is out than Feingold.

  31. #31 |  Mattocracy | 

    I have a feeling Obama is happy about Prop 19 failing partly because he didn’t want to deal with the fall out if it did pass. I’m sure he’s a drug warrior deep down like the rest of them, but I think the idea of having to deal with that political headache would make any “legalize it” sympathizer hope for Prop 19’s defeat.

  32. #32 |  Shannon's Mouse | 

    Understood, Radley. And I agree in general about Cole’s hacktastic shortcomings.

    I don’t think helping Tea Party candidates necessarily means actively endorsing them. I’d be curious to see the volume of criticism Reason directed at Angle vs. Reid, Paladino vs. Cuomo and contrast it with any positive coverage of Feingold’s strong record on civil liberties.

  33. #33 |  GregS | 

    Re Obama and Prop 19: I’m starting to suspect that Barack Obama is actually a Republican plant, a “Manchurian Candidate” created by Karl Rove or some other clever, devious Republican strategist. Obama really is doing a splendid job of destroying the Democratic party, and of reigniting enthusiasm among conservative and libertarian voters. So much of what Obama says and does is incomprehensible until you start thinking that maybe he’s actually a secret Republican party operative. Then it all starts to make sense.

  34. #34 |  Aresen | 

    @ Rhayader | November 3rd, 2010 at 10:57 am

    Big picture, they got 46% support in a midterm election and turned legalization into a politically viable idea. This thing is gonna happen.

    Agreed. The 46% in favor of Prop 19 has basically broken the back of the anti-marijuana crowd. It is no longer possible to dismiss legalization as a fringe initiative. The main thrust now has to be to focus on calling “bullshit!!!!!” as clearly as possible on the anti-mj ‘arguments.’

  35. #35 |  Bronwyn | 

    “He did say humbly that he was completely wrong and he made a mistake.”

    Mistake?

    Um, I don’t think that word means what you think it means.

  36. #36 |  ktc2 | 

    Divided government doesn’t seem to protect anything.

    All R government = they get whatever the Rs politicians want.

    All D government = they get whatever the Ds politicians want.

    Divided government both sides agree to give each other what they want. The definition of bipartisanship should be gang banged by both teams with sand in the vaseline.

  37. #37 |  MacGregory | 

    I surely wish prop 19 had passed. If, for no other reason, to gauge the reaction of the feds and the neighboring states. I suspect it would have been a marvelous lesson in how much your vote really matters.

  38. #38 |  Dave Krueger | 

    Obama administration cheers Prop 19’s defeat. Assholes.

    Well, the government has determined that drugs can be a lucrative revenue source without legalizing and taxing them. They just use the drug war an excuse to seize property. Legalizing it would just lead to a bunch of layoffs in the union owned law enforcement and prison industries. Being devoid of the skills required for non-adversarial interactions with other people, they would never be able to get regular private sector employment, essentially condemning them to perpetual welfare (at the expense of taxpayers).

    Luckily, prop 19 failed and we have been spared that disaster.

  39. #39 |  John Jenkins | 

    Feingold doesn’t deserve anyone’s support after the McCain-Feingold Incumbent Protection Act. Now we just need to get rid of the other one, too.

  40. #40 |  Tom G | 

    Radley, your editorial in Reason on Monday (about Prop. 19) was really quite good. Too bad no one seems to take freedom seriously any longer.

  41. #41 |  random guy | 

    I’ve been watching Bill Hicks stand up routines on youtube. Brilliant man, but it makes me sad that he was essentially making the same arguments about pot in the 80’s that we are making today. The arguments are solid, its just disheartening that such an irrational system is so intractable. Or maybe they are intractable because they are irrational, no sane person could maintain that pot is worse than alcohol, nicotine, or caffeine for 30+ years.

    I understand that we will get there eventually. But it still would be nice to be there today.

  42. #42 |  KBCraig | 

    Prop 19 needlessly divided the pro-legalization camp into factions. Many people do not want to treat it like alcohol, with taxation and regulation; they just want it to no longer be illegal.

    I’m 100% for legalization, but if I lived in California, I would have thought long and hard whether or not to vote for it.

  43. #43 |  André | 

    I think that when they decriminalized it back in September ($100 fine, no time) they sapped most of the energy that the California voters would have had. They no longer could say “But locking people up is wrong!” and they were only fighting a mildly unjust law instead of a moderately unjust one.

  44. #44 |  Ben | 

    KBCraig – Holding out for perfection will get you a big fat nothing. No drug is ever going to be legalized without regulation and taxation. What legal drug/food/ingestible substance DOESN’T already have a regulation scheme for it?

  45. #45 |  Marty | 

    to me, prop 19’s opponents are carrying on that asshole Anslinger’s legacy of lies and propaganda. I can’t believe people still get duped by this shit.

  46. #46 |  Johnny Clamboat | 

    @#32

    I’d be curious to see the volume of criticism Reason directed at Angle vs. Reid, Paladino vs. Cuomo and contrast it with any positive coverage of Feingold’s strong record on civil liberties.

    Please allow me to google that for you:

    Feingold

    Angle

    Hot Carl

  47. #47 |  Monica | 

    “The Obama administration has been clear in its opposition to marijuana legalization because research shows that marijuana use is associated with voluntary treatment admissions for addiction, fatal drugged driving accidents, mental illness and emergency room admissions.”

    This was supposed to be the intelligent pick for President? The guy who was going to rely on science? This is “Refer Madness” propaganda. What a shameless fucking liar.

  48. #48 |  Aresen | 

    Monica

    I am afraid that the MJ that Barry O smoked as a teenager turned him into a paranoid. Proof of the damage that MJ can do. :)

  49. #49 |  ktc2 | 

    Reading the David Harsanyi piece on reason today it sure sounds like he’s been drinking the “Republicans are for limited government! Really, baby, I mean it this time!” kool-aid to me.

  50. #50 |  albatross | 

    I was kind-of looking forward to having the feds in court arguing simultaneously that:

    a. Arizona must stop vigorously (and rather nastily) enforcing federal law w.r.t. immigration.

    b. California must resume vigorously (and rather nastily) enforcing federal law w.r.t. drugs.

  51. #51 |  Arthur | 

    #12 | Lucy |

    + 200

  52. #52 |  Cynical in CA | 

    #37 | MacGregory — “I surely wish prop 19 had passed. If, for no other reason, to gauge the reaction of the feds and the neighboring states. I suspect it would have been a marvelous lesson in how much your vote really matters.”

    Great comment. Arousing the ire of the sovereign is always a bad idea, unless you think you’re strong enough to overthow the sovereign. That’s why I opposed Prop 19, not just in general principle against electoral politics, but because it was atrocious game theory.

    My life hasn’t changed one iota since yesterday. Don’t see any change on the horizon neither.

  53. #53 |  Cynical in CA | 

    #42 | KBCraig — “Prop 19 needlessly divided the pro-legalization camp into factions. Many people do not want to treat it like alcohol, with taxation and regulation; they just want it to no longer be illegal. I’m 100% for legalization, but if I lived in California, I would have thought long and hard whether or not to vote for it.”

    I commented earlier on a different thread that voting makes enemies of people who should be your friends. What a mess this prohibition is — all to fund the extremely wealthy and politically-connected. Blood money. It will only end when Americans have had enough of the violence.

  54. #54 |  Rhayader | 

    @Cynical: That’s why I opposed Prop 19, not just in general principle against electoral politics, but because it was atrocious game theory.

    So what’s the better approach? I’m honestly asking, not being snarky. I don’t see this happening as a top-down thing.

  55. #55 |  André | 

    #49: Exactly.

    Republicans talking to voters about limited government
    is like
    Lucy van Pelt talking to Charlie Brown about letting him kick the football.

  56. #56 |  ClubMedSux | 

    For those of you who are familiar with the episode of the Simpsons that parodies Cape Fear, there’s a scene at the end where Bart tries to escape from the houseboat the family’s living on. He runs to the front to find angry alligators in the water. Then he runs to the back and sees electric eels in the water. Then he runs back to the front of the boat and, upon re-discovering the alligators, deadpans “oh yeah…” I feel like that’s the electorate. We elect the Republicans in 2000 and they suck. So in 2008 we vote them out and elect Obama and the Democrats. Now after two years of failure we go back to the Republicans. It’ll just be a matter of time before we have our “oh yeah” moment and remember why we voted the Republicans out in the first place. And then, predictably, we’ll turn back to the Democrats. Sigh.

  57. #57 |  Aresen | 

    @ ClubMedSux

    So, do you think we can get Barry O to do a solo performance of the entire libretto of Pirates of Penzance?

  58. #58 |  Aresen | 

    OOPS. s/b HMS Pinafore

  59. #59 |  Joe | 

    #25 | Radley Balko | November 3rd, 2010 at 11:16 am
    Reason had no allegiance to Tea Party candidates. You won’t find any endorsement of Angle or O’Donnell or Paladino or Miller. Rand Paul is the only one who got some favorable coverage, and even that got more critical as he distanced himself from libertarian positions. If you look at who Reason staffers voted for in 2008 (Google it), about a third of the full time staff voted for Obama, about a third for Barr, and about a third didn’t vote. No full-time staffer voted for McCain. Cole trots out the GOP shill line because he’s too lazy (or busy raising money for Democrats — most of whom oppose the very civil liberties he’s criticizing us for endorsing) to address any of the actual arguments we make.

    +31

    Okay. Why no one for McCain? McCain was definitely a flawed candidate, but obviously so was Obama. Why not everyone at Reason on the Barr band wagon? Or putting in Ron Paul as a write in. Why a third for Obama and none for McCain? Obviously that no one supported the GOP nominee shows you guys are not shills for the GOP (how anyone could suggest you are is a bit of a stretch) but shouldn’t Reason, as a magazine of the independents and libertarians, reflect more diversity in political thought than it does? Hey, many Republicans winced when they voted for McCain and many voted for Barr like you did. I am not suggesting you should go out and quota hire Republicans or suggest how people who work for you vote, but does that voting record suggest a bias?

    I am not being accusatory here. But I think it does raise a legitimate question. How many people work for Reason? 30 to 50? I would think it is a big enough pool that one or two would have gone for McCain.

  60. #60 |  Cynical in CA | 

    #54 | Rhayader — “So what’s the better approach [to repeal of marijuana prohibition]? I’m honestly asking, not being snarky. I don’t see this happening as a top-down thing.”

    I agree completely. It would succeed at the grass roots. Literally. Everyone should just grow their own. As with any mass revolt against the sovereign, how are they going to arrest everyone?

    It may be that marijuana prohibition is never repealed. But that will in no way limit its production and consumption. Those who desire freedom will find a way to be free, and it won’t be by supplicating the sovereign.

  61. #61 |  Dave Krueger | 

    The Tea Party is really just a bunch of disgruntled Republicans. Once the primaries are over, there is no doubt how they will vote. What they really need to do it start a real independent third party. First, it would give them a friggin’ taste of just how badly the cards are stacked against such an option, second, it would scare the piss out of the Republicans, and third, they could actually attract more democrats into their midst because they wouldn’t be saddled with the obvious fact that they are nothing but a bunch of Republicans.

    Oops. I guess I just named three reasons why the Tea Party will never be anything more than a bunch of Republicans.

  62. #62 |  Radley Balko | 

    I am not being accusatory here. But I think it does raise a legitimate question. How many people work for Reason? 30 to 50? I would think it is a big enough pool that one or two would have gone for McCain.

    Reason has around 10 full-time staffers and interns at any given time. As for why no one voted for McCain, Google the article and read for yourself. General consensus was that the Republicans had had power for most of the decade and did virtually nothing with it that libertarians could support.

  63. #63 |  Joe | 

    Fair enough, a staff of ten is too small a pool to draw any broad conclusions. I was surprised not that McCain was in the minority at Reason but that no one voted for him. So basically out of a staff of 10 approximately three went for Obama, three went for Barr, and the rest did not vote.

    As for not rewarding the GOP after it failed to follow its own stated principals for eight years–well that is why the GOP lost the House and Senate in 2006 and why they lost the White House in 2008. They brought it on themselves.

  64. #64 |  zendingo | 

    although i hear a lot of prop 19 supporters claiming some sort of victory in its defeat, i think that it’s actually a devastating blow to ending the prohibition of cannabis.

    the reality is there is really good chance that steve cooley will be the next attorney general of ca, if this happens it’s almost a guaranteed that he will do everything in his power to bust legit growers (by legit i mean people who do not grow for violent cartels) and close as many dispensaries as possible. even though it might not look like it now, if cooley wins access to medical marijuana is going to get a lot harder in ca.

  65. #65 |  delta | 

    #60: “It would succeed at the grass roots. Literally. Everyone should just grow their own. As with any mass revolt against the sovereign, how are they going to arrest everyone?

    It may be that marijuana prohibition is never repealed. But that will in no way limit its production and consumption. Those who desire freedom will find a way to be free, and it won’t be by supplicating the sovereign.”

    This is the very worst game theory imaginable. It’s like anti-game-theory. What, there’s like 800,000 arrests annually for marijuana possession? How exactly do those people keep their freedom?

    See also: “United we stand, divided we fall.” Or: “When they came for me, there was no one left to speak out for me.” Actions in isolation get nothing accomplished politically. Almost by definition, only organized action does. This is the absolutely worst Achilles heel of the whole Ayn Rand-libertarian wing.

  66. #66 |  JOR | 

    “This is the absolutely worst Achilles heel of the whole Ayn Rand-libertarian wing.”

    Ayn Rand was an arch-centralist. And in many ways she was more statist than the standard-issue Republican or Democrat (she had what can only be described as a theological commitment to the US military, in particular, which perhaps explains her completely irreconcilable attitudes towards American Indian dispossession and black slavery; Amerinds were a group her God fought against, and black slaves were a group her God fought in favor of, at least indirectly).

  67. #67 |  Lucy | 

    The best part of that reason voting survey was how many people picked Wilson as the worse president ever.

    Also because it was the way I found out my father hadn’t voted in eight years (not since Harry Browne, I guess.)

    I was disgusted by Obama long ago, but it’s not that hard to figure out that even some true libertarians held their noses and said, this is for civil liberties when McCain didn’t even have that (vain) hope.

  68. #68 |  Max | 

    extremely OT: have any of u read Rohan Nation by Drew Miller ( he lives in the same area I do & gave a talk at a Tea party mting)? Anyway, is this an accurate representation of libertarian beliefs?

  69. #69 |  RobZ | 

    ““In other news, Obama continues to be a huge hypocrite.”

    Only now, he’s a huge hypocrite spending $200 million a day on a personal vacation. I’ve been boggling at that number for the last couple of hours.”

    If only you’d attempted to verify the figure, you could have saved yourself a whole lot of boggling.

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