It’s Also Time We Put an End to Suffrage

Wednesday, November 3rd, 2010

More fun at last weekend’s rally.

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49 Responses to “It’s Also Time We Put an End to Suffrage”

  1. #1 |  Joe | 

    What no Hayek jokes. What is he, chopped liver?

  2. #2 |  TJ | 

    Radley, why would you be upset that the author of the biggest assault on free speech in our lifetime (Mccain-Feingold), loses his re-election bid?

  3. #3 |  Cynical in CA | 

    It is time we put an end to suffrage.

    Voting makes enemies out of people who should be your friends.

  4. #4 |  Bob | 

    I’m confused. Am I just totally not getting a joke here?

    Wouldn’t someone born in Kenya be a Kenyan? I would think a “Keynesian” would be someone who adheres to the economic theories of John Keynes.

  5. #5 |  Chris | 

    Watch the video bob.

  6. #6 |  Joe | 

    Bob, yeah, Keynesian, that is the joke.

  7. #7 |  Donald | 

    Bob, that’s the whole point of the video. These arrogant asshats running around talking about how ignorant others are, while they a)have low reading comprehension and b)don’t know who Keynes was and what Keysianism is.

  8. #8 |  Bob | 

    Ok… ok.

    So, is the joke that these people simply don’t know what keynesian economics is, and are automatically assuming that this guy is talking about where Obama was born?

    If that’s the case, then it was incumbent on him to explain the term rather than let these people expose their ignorance on tape.

  9. #9 |  Bob | 

    Oh. Ok.

    To be fair, I didn’t know who John Keynes was until a few years ago. I never went to college, never studied economics.

    For your average person, confusing these terms would be an honest mistake. One that warrants rectification, not ridicule.

    Hell, I might have fallen for this 10 years ago.

  10. #10 |  Bob | 

    Suffrage, on the other hand… Only the Amish wouldn’t know what that word means.

    If he was able to go around convincing people that suffrage has only caused suffering and should be repealed… that would be freakin’ hilarious.

  11. #11 |  omar | 

    For your average person, confusing these terms would be an honest mistake. One that warrants rectification, not ridicule.

    If you are going to travel to DC for political rallies, hold signs, and talk passionately to cameras, I expect you to know what you are talking about. Else, I’m not sure you deserve anything but ridicule.

  12. #12 |  Joe | 

    #9 | Bob | November 3rd, 2010 at 11:30 am
    Oh. Ok.

    To be fair, I didn’t know who John Keynes was until a few years ago. I never went to college, never studied economics.

    For your average person, confusing these terms would be an honest mistake. One that warrants rectification, not ridicule.

    Hell, I might have fallen for this 10 years ago.

    +1

    The sad part Bob is I suspect the majority of those people in the tape went to college. Yet my late uncle, who did not (he was a boilermaker), could debate politics and hold his own against anyone. And he knew about Hayek, Keynes, and economic theory, and a host of other topics. But that is because he was a reader, and paid attention, and kept himself informed. And the worse thing you could do in his eyes is make a poor argument, and be ignorant, and then not owe up to it. He did not get angry if you dissented with him, he got angry if your arguments were weak.

    God I miss him.

  13. #13 |  KristenS | 

    Bob – I guess you missed all the signs at that rally explaining how much smarter and more tuned-in those people were than the Tea Partiers.

  14. #14 |  KristenS | 

    Yet my late uncle, who did not (he was a boilermaker), could debate politics and hold his own against anyone. And he knew about Hayek, Keynes, and economic theory, and a host of other topics. But that is because he was a reader, and paid attention, and kept himself informed. And the worse thing you could do in his eyes is make a poor argument, and be ignorant, and then not owe up to it. He did not get angry if you dissented with him, he got angry if your arguments were weak.

    This is my absolute, 100% ideal man. No wonder I’m single – they’re as rare as rose-smelling farts.

  15. #15 |  random guy | 

    Bob, the Man Show did the “end womens suffrage” thing about 8 years ago, in California no less. They got a few pages of signatures and a couple of good clips of literate women chewing them out. I doubt the vocabulary of the general populace has increased that much since then.

    I’ve also seen surveys to ban dihydrogen monoxide from all public places. Its made from some explosive stuff after all.

    These kind of things are cute, but I don’t think anyone seriously considers them a measure of public intelligence. Its just gotcha questions and selective edits. I think its far more scary to ask the public legitimate political questions and then see the 10% of off the wall responses you will get.

  16. #16 |  Derfel Cadarn | 

    Scary part is that they are even dumber then I thought they were. The majority of voters pictured here exist with a single functioning brain cell, there are protozoans with more advanced intellects.

  17. #17 |  KBCraig | 

    The one man who understood the question admitted he was too uninformed to know the answer. At a rally of “we’re more informed than the ignorant tea baggers”-types, this was particularly telling.

  18. #18 |  Bob | 

    KirstenS:
    “Bob – I guess you missed all the signs at that rally explaining how much smarter and more tuned-in those people were than the Tea Partiers.”

    Oh, I got that.

    Where I take offense here, is this guy was just baiting people with a ridiculously worded sign, then singling people that read “Keynesian” as “Kenyan” out for special treatment without explaining their error.

    It’s just not funny. It’s cruel and sophomoric. It’s a prank, designed to extract humor from the inadvertent plight of others. It preys on the mind’s ability to see what it expects to see instead of what’s actually there.

    I seriously doubt that your uncle would have found this amusing at all. I think he would react as I did, with disdain for the prankster with the “Obama=Keynesian” sign because he was doing exactly what you said:

    “And the worse thing you could do in his eyes is make a poor argument, and be ignorant, and then not owe up to it.”

    The sign was a poor argument. Who cares if Obama follows keynesian economics? He wasn’t being ignorant, but he was certainly not owning up to it. When his ‘mark’ fell for it, he would ask “So you don’t agree with Obama equals Keynesian?” knowing full well that wasn’t what the person read.

  19. #19 |  Mattocracy | 

    “If that’s the case, then it was incumbent on him to explain the term rather than let these people expose their ignorance on tape.”

    Just when I thought that vid would the funniest thing I’d see all day, this comment just made my fucking day.

  20. #20 |  Bob | 

    Doh, Sorry Kirsten, that was Joe’s uncle.

    See how easy it is to quickly read something and make a fundamental mistake?

    Only the ONE GUY instantly got it and responded with “Well, i really don’t know what his economic policies are.” Notice his female companion, with a look of total confusion until she finished processing the presented dichotomy of information and says “I thought you said Kenyan.” If her companion had not responded as he did, she would have sworn that the sign read “Obama=Kenyan.”

  21. #21 |  David McElroy | 

    In reference to the Keynesian thing, I’m surprised to hear people trying to defend the ignorant people on the video. If the same thing had been tried at some “tea party” rally — using some similar issue designed to cause confusion for them — people on the left would be laughing at those dumb hillbillies for not knowing something. John Stewart would be smirking all over it. The justification for these people getting it wrong is their assumption that someone who disagrees with them is probably stupid and misspelled something. So the people in the video are making two assumptions. First, they’re assuming they know what the sign means (without bothering to verify what claim is being made). Second, they’re assuming that they’re smarter than the other person. I think that people making those assumptions deserve to be laughed at just as much as the same sort of people making ignorant assumptions on the right. That’s why it’s funny to me, because they ARE so indignantly sure that the person with the sign is an idiot. The irony of that is very funny.

  22. #22 |  KristenS | 

    Exactly David Mc….it’s basically the old “dish it out but can’t take it” axiom. And the sign clearly said Keynesian, not Kenyan.

  23. #23 |  Joe | 

    The irony, it burns sometimes.

  24. #24 |  Marty | 

    Bob-

    I’m calling bullshit.

    These opinionated asshats chose to see what they wanted to (which is standard for opinionated asshats) vs actually paying attention.

    I love the Leno clips, Penn and Teller, etc. The fear of being ridiculed is strong- hopefully, this spurs some people to review some basic economics principles.

  25. #25 |  KristenS | 

    The only thing I’m pissed off about is nobody ever interviews me for these “(wo)man on the street” things. I’d kick some ass!

  26. #26 |  Eyewitness | 

    Thank goodness we’re so much smarter than those stupid people.

  27. #27 |  Matt | 

    I love the question mark at the end of his “Obama = Keynesian ?” sign…he’s not there to make a statement – he’s asking for trouble. Very funny. And props to the older guy who was the only one who got it right.

  28. #28 |  Nathania | 

    The people featured in this video showed two ignorances: one of economic theory and two, a poor world geographical knowledge.

    Most of them thought Keynesian meant Kenyan because most of them think tea partiers can’t spell.

    And you know what they say about people who assume…

  29. #29 |  Donald | 

    Bob-These people are at a ralley put on by Comedy Central. I think they can take a joke, and if not fuck em.

  30. #30 |  qwints | 

    To be fair, I could definitely see The Daily Show doing something like this. It was a comic stunt not really a political one. Most people are fairly ignorant about economics and it shows on both sides of the aisle.

  31. #31 |  qwints | 

    I do love that the first woman says he’s “Kenesian.”

  32. #32 |  shecky | 

    Keynesian? Really? I dunno… I think I’m willing to give folks a pass on that one. John Maynard Keynes isn’t exactly a household name on either political side. I’d probably place that name among others of relatively great importance, but broad obscurity, such as Avogadro or Fibonacci.

    Other stuff, though, I’m not so forgiving.

  33. #33 |  Bernard | 

    I’m sceptical.

    The first woman is clearly stupid, but it would be easy to fake the video so that it looks like more people are. Ask a bunch of people whether Obama is Kenyan, film their answers and then paste in some frames of the sign saying ‘Obama = Keynesian’.

    The fact that one woman says ‘I thought you said Kenyan’ makes this feel like a Borat/Michael Moore type stunt rather than a gauge of how much people know about economics.

  34. #34 |  Matt | 

    It’s a joke, at a rally organized by jokers. You can’t take it that seriously.

  35. #35 |  BSK | 

    This reminds me of the Man Show’s attempt to end women’s suffrage. They went on and on about how women are “suffraging” all over the country and we need to put an end to it. They even got people to join in their rally, though if I remember correctly, it was mainly people who demonstrated poor English skills (second language). Eventually, some women got involved and tried to explain what “suffrage” really was”. It was a pretty funny bit.

    Not positive if this video is it, since I can’t watch at work, but it looks like it is: http://www.kontraband.com/videos/12474/Help-End-Womens-Suffrage/

  36. #36 |  Matt | 

    shecky, I wish Keynes was as obscure as Avogadro, but Keynesianism is a big idea now and it should stand out – particularly to people who believe in it!

    We’re not talking about molar mass here but many of the things Obama has been lecturing us about – green jobs, “stimulus”, etc., which are, broadly speaking, Keynesianism in practice. On the other side of the spectrum, Radley recently mocked David Broder’s column on this blog for suggesting Obama start a new war to get the economy going, a notion which is often described as military Keynesianism. So Keynes is big now and it does look bad not to recognize the name.

  37. #37 |  Bill | 

    Obviously they don’t show people who know about Keynes. That would ruin their joke. I was at the rally with several people who all know who Keynes is. Don’t view a comedy video as a representative sampling of the crowd. That said, I’d imagine the vast majority of people at any rally don’t know who Keynes is.

  38. #38 |  Jim | 

    Unfortunately, this is being used by fans of punditry, distortion, and divisive discourse to distract from the central message of the rally.

  39. #39 |  Xenocles | 

    Does that Prop 19 bit at the end count as a “sophomoric pot joke?”

  40. #40 |  BSK | 

    Okay… got around to watching it finally… was that one fucking kid in a fucking Hitler costume? Holy shit.

  41. #41 |  Helmut O' Hooligan | 

    I am not suprised that many people at the rally didn’t recongnize the term Keynsian. No biggie, even at a rally that did probably have a high percentage of college grads. Most people don’t know much about economics. I am certainly not an economics expert and I am a college grad.

    I was suprised, however, that people in this crowd conflated the term with Kenyan. Well, first of all, Obama IS part Kenyan, so why would they get offended even if someone said “Obama: Kenyan?” I would just be kind of like, “uh, yes, he is half Kenyan. What’s your point?”

    But these people, who no doubt fancy themselves as Left-wing internationalists, don’t know the difference between Kenyan and Keynsian. Jesus Titty-Fucking Christ! I think this may be an indication that Right Populists and Left-wing populists are not so different.

  42. #42 |  Jim | 

    Helmut, that proves Stewart right.

  43. #43 |  Boyd Durkin | 

    BSK,
    That may have been “Hipster Hitler” and he’s an online cartoon. Or, the kid may have been addressing the insanity of calling everyone Hitler when you disagree with them. Anyway, there were a lot of Hitler pics everywhere at the Sanity Rally to poke fun of insane Cons calling Obama Hitler.

    Yes, they forgot they called Bush Hitler just a few years earlier but as one woman pointed out “Well, Bush was pretty close.”

  44. #44 |  Boyd Durkin | 

    Don’t view a comedy video as a representative sampling of the crowd.

    Unless it supports your bias, which is exactly why Michael Moore has mad money.

  45. #45 |  PogueMahone | 

    So, is this an example of the Marginal Propensity to Consume Assume?

    Sorry, flashes of my incredibly boring Macro class surfaced.

    Cheers.

  46. #46 |  buzz | 

    “Who cares if Obama follows keynesian economics?”
    Uh, anyone who pays taxes and expects they will continue to pay taxes. Or plans on retiring some day.

  47. #47 |  BSK | 

    Boyd-

    Thanks for the info. Nonetheless, to go out in public dressed as Hitler, for whatever reason, deserves a fairly severe beat down. What the F?

    And, until someone kills over 6 million people, I’m content to leave the Hitler comparisons alone. It is a bit disturbing how he has become a meme in so many ways (Hipster; political sloganing)

  48. #48 |  JMaverick | 

    “Boyd-
    And, until someone kills over 6 million people, I’m content to leave the Hitler comparisons alone.”

    I am so going to make a sign with Stalin sporting a Hitler mustache for the next rally I go to.

  49. #49 |  Dee | 

    Why can’t I see this anywhere? I’m getting a message that this is a private video.

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