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		<title>By: Embed the Raidmap &#171; The Republican Heretic</title>
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		<dc:creator>Embed the Raidmap &#171; The Republican Heretic</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 31 Oct 2010 11:02:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[[...] of police excesses include the unnecessary death of seven-year old Aiyana Jones in Detroit and this raid on an innocent elderly couple in Chicago (immigrants who fled the Soviet Union because of [...]]]></description>
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		<title>By: GreginOz</title>
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		<dc:creator>GreginOz</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 11 Oct 2010 05:15:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Given the sheer size of th U.S. I am waiting for a &quot;Terminator&quot; incident in revenge for some egregious action by Gummint thugs. As in like Big Arnie blowing through a PigPen all weaponed up. There will be dancing in the streets. The war the U.S. Gummint is waging on it&#039;s own citizens will actually CREATE domestic terrorists...&#039;course they&#039;ll be calling THEMSELVES Patriots! It would be suitably ironic if such an incident was enacted by an ex-service person, now that&#039;s what i call fucking blowback
;-).]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Given the sheer size of th U.S. I am waiting for a &#8220;Terminator&#8221; incident in revenge for some egregious action by Gummint thugs. As in like Big Arnie blowing through a PigPen all weaponed up. There will be dancing in the streets. The war the U.S. Gummint is waging on it&#8217;s own citizens will actually CREATE domestic terrorists&#8230;&#8217;course they&#8217;ll be calling THEMSELVES Patriots! It would be suitably ironic if such an incident was enacted by an ex-service person, now that&#8217;s what i call fucking blowback<br />
;-).</p>
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		<title>By: pam</title>
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		<dc:creator>pam</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 10 Oct 2010 23:27:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[24 cops in riot gear broke into an elderly couple&#039;s home while a guy in TN watched while his house burn to the ground. Something is wrong with this picture.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>24 cops in riot gear broke into an elderly couple&#8217;s home while a guy in TN watched while his house burn to the ground. Something is wrong with this picture.</p>
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		<title>By: Windy</title>
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		<dc:creator>Windy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 10 Oct 2010 05:10:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[That&#039;ll teach me to read all the comments before posting my own, Kristen said much the same thing as I.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>That&#8217;ll teach me to read all the comments before posting my own, Kristen said much the same thing as I.</p>
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		<title>By: Windy</title>
		<link>http://www.theagitator.com/2010/10/08/another-isolated-incident-33/comment-page-2/#comment-422428</link>
		<dc:creator>Windy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 10 Oct 2010 04:57:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[&quot;As soon as we entered the home, we knew this couple was not involved in the activity alleged.”
So if they knew immediately the couple were not involved in anything illegal, why the hell did they toss the house?  The damage could have been limited to the doors being bashed in, but instead they turned the house upside down:
“Everything was violently opened. Cabinets were ripped open, clothes and sheets were everywhere, and pieces of wood where the doors were rammed were all over the place.”
Sounds like harassment to me.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;As soon as we entered the home, we knew this couple was not involved in the activity alleged.”<br />
So if they knew immediately the couple were not involved in anything illegal, why the hell did they toss the house?  The damage could have been limited to the doors being bashed in, but instead they turned the house upside down:<br />
“Everything was violently opened. Cabinets were ripped open, clothes and sheets were everywhere, and pieces of wood where the doors were rammed were all over the place.”<br />
Sounds like harassment to me.</p>
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		<title>By: Marty</title>
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		<dc:creator>Marty</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 10 Oct 2010 01:47:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[some departments will budget to handle damages, but you usually have to fight for damages (and good luck collecting). They&#039;re &#039;doing their job&#039;, it&#039;s not their fault that you&#039;re a criminal or that they got faulty intel.

it&#039;s a small price we pay for freedom.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>some departments will budget to handle damages, but you usually have to fight for damages (and good luck collecting). They&#8217;re &#8216;doing their job&#8217;, it&#8217;s not their fault that you&#8217;re a criminal or that they got faulty intel.</p>
<p>it&#8217;s a small price we pay for freedom.</p>
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		<title>By: Whim</title>
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		<dc:creator>Whim</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 10 Oct 2010 00:31:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I think the police (the public) are liable for property damage inflicted during a SWAT or any other kind of raid on a residence.

Anyone know otherwise?

If the police batter down your door, tear up your furniture, and create domestic mayhem they owe for property damages.

The Ukrainian couple should file a claim with the city.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think the police (the public) are liable for property damage inflicted during a SWAT or any other kind of raid on a residence.</p>
<p>Anyone know otherwise?</p>
<p>If the police batter down your door, tear up your furniture, and create domestic mayhem they owe for property damages.</p>
<p>The Ukrainian couple should file a claim with the city.</p>
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		<title>By: delta</title>
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		<dc:creator>delta</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 09 Oct 2010 20:38:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[#11 said: &quot;Release the Cracken!&quot;

Um... it&#039;s &quot;Kraken&quot;. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kraken]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>#11 said: &#8220;Release the Cracken!&#8221;</p>
<p>Um&#8230; it&#8217;s &#8220;Kraken&#8221;. <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kraken" rel="nofollow">http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kraken</a></p>
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		<title>By: pam</title>
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		<dc:creator>pam</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 09 Oct 2010 18:19:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[(sorry, I don&#039;t think this posted the first time).

Sheriff’s Police Applogize for Raid
http://www.chicagotribune.com/
(ha check out the TV)

and

http://www.chicagobreakingnews.com/2010/10/man-convicted-of-murder-in-2004-goes-free-charges-dropped.html]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>(sorry, I don&#8217;t think this posted the first time).</p>
<p>Sheriff’s Police Applogize for Raid<br />
<a href="http://www.chicagotribune.com/" rel="nofollow">http://www.chicagotribune.com/</a><br />
(ha check out the TV)</p>
<p>and</p>
<p><a href="http://www.chicagobreakingnews.com/2010/10/man-convicted-of-murder-in-2004-goes-free-charges-dropped.html" rel="nofollow">http://www.chicagobreakingnews.com/2010/10/man-convicted-of-murder-in-2004-goes-free-charges-dropped.html</a></p>
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		<title>By: Jared</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jared</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 09 Oct 2010 15:19:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I don&#039;t smoke, I do drink, and I also believe in America. Its existence, that is.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I don&#8217;t smoke, I do drink, and I also believe in America. Its existence, that is.</p>
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		<title>By: Bob</title>
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		<dc:creator>Bob</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 09 Oct 2010 15:11:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[&lt;blockquote&gt;Dorian was off-duty at the time. Prosecutors said he was driving at least 83 mph when he hit a pickup truck on Illinois Highway 394 near Richton Road, killing 17-year-old Dylan Drapeau, a senior at Crete- Monee High School. Drapeau&#039;s family pushed for Dorian to be charged with reckless homicide.

At the time, Lynwood Police Chief David Palmer said Dorian admitted speeding &lt;b&gt;but said he was rushing to take his car for repairs after his &quot;check engine&quot; light started flashing.&lt;/b&gt;&lt;/blockquote&gt;

Ah yes, the old &quot;Check engine light&quot; defense.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>Dorian was off-duty at the time. Prosecutors said he was driving at least 83 mph when he hit a pickup truck on Illinois Highway 394 near Richton Road, killing 17-year-old Dylan Drapeau, a senior at Crete- Monee High School. Drapeau&#8217;s family pushed for Dorian to be charged with reckless homicide.</p>
<p>At the time, Lynwood Police Chief David Palmer said Dorian admitted speeding <b>but said he was rushing to take his car for repairs after his &#8220;check engine&#8221; light started flashing.</b></p></blockquote>
<p>Ah yes, the old &#8220;Check engine light&#8221; defense.</p>
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		<title>By: pam</title>
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		<dc:creator>pam</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 09 Oct 2010 14:59:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[AND:

http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/local/southsouthwest/ct-met-will-county-shooting-spree-10020101008,0,1174670.story

(all 3 stories on the first 4 pages of the Chicago Tribune today)]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>AND:</p>
<p><a href="http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/local/southsouthwest/ct-met-will-county-shooting-spree-10020101008,0,1174670.story" rel="nofollow">http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/local/southsouthwest/ct-met-will-county-shooting-spree-10020101008,0,1174670.story</a></p>
<p>(all 3 stories on the first 4 pages of the Chicago Tribune today)</p>
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		<title>By: albatross</title>
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		<dc:creator>albatross</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 09 Oct 2010 14:35:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Bergman:

You might want to weigh the relative risk of home invasion (government or freelance) vs fire, and think through whether you&#039;d rather have the SWAT team not be able to quickly get into your house, at the cost of also having the fire department not be able to quickly get in.  

In fact, one of the strongest reasons to have professional police forces and laws and such is so we *don&#039;t* all need to live in fortresses, carry guns, wear body armor, travel in groups, etc.  Places where you *have* to do those things are awful places to live.  (There&#039;s nothing wrong with doing those things, if you want to, but anyplace where it&#039;s necessary for basic safety is a lousy place to live.)]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Bergman:</p>
<p>You might want to weigh the relative risk of home invasion (government or freelance) vs fire, and think through whether you&#8217;d rather have the SWAT team not be able to quickly get into your house, at the cost of also having the fire department not be able to quickly get in.  </p>
<p>In fact, one of the strongest reasons to have professional police forces and laws and such is so we *don&#8217;t* all need to live in fortresses, carry guns, wear body armor, travel in groups, etc.  Places where you *have* to do those things are awful places to live.  (There&#8217;s nothing wrong with doing those things, if you want to, but anyplace where it&#8217;s necessary for basic safety is a lousy place to live.)</p>
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		<title>By: National Police Misconduct NewsFeed Daily Recap 10-08-10 &#171; Injustice Everywhere</title>
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		<dc:creator>National Police Misconduct NewsFeed Daily Recap 10-08-10 &#171; Injustice Everywhere</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 09 Oct 2010 07:23:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[[...] the home since they left the Soviet Union in the 1960&#8242;s to escape government oppression. (h/t The Agitator) [...]]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] the home since they left the Soviet Union in the 1960&#8242;s to escape government oppression. (h/t The Agitator) [...]</p>
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		<title>By: DarkEFang</title>
		<link>http://www.theagitator.com/2010/10/08/another-isolated-incident-33/comment-page-2/#comment-422253</link>
		<dc:creator>DarkEFang</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 09 Oct 2010 06:22:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[FBI super-spies attempt to track a Egyptian-American college student, only to be foiled by an oil-change technician:

http://www.wired.com/threatlevel/2010/10/fbi-tracking-device/]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>FBI super-spies attempt to track a Egyptian-American college student, only to be foiled by an oil-change technician:</p>
<p><a href="http://www.wired.com/threatlevel/2010/10/fbi-tracking-device/" rel="nofollow">http://www.wired.com/threatlevel/2010/10/fbi-tracking-device/</a></p>
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		<title>By: donttread</title>
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		<dc:creator>donttread</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 09 Oct 2010 00:44:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I hope the Jakymeks are able to collect a substantial settlement for this state inflicted terror.  Unfortunately, as others have pointed out, even if there is some sort of payment it will not come out of the pockets of the idiots who ransacked their house, but rather once again from the taxpayers&#039; pockets.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I hope the Jakymeks are able to collect a substantial settlement for this state inflicted terror.  Unfortunately, as others have pointed out, even if there is some sort of payment it will not come out of the pockets of the idiots who ransacked their house, but rather once again from the taxpayers&#8217; pockets.</p>
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		<title>By: Steamed McQueen</title>
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		<dc:creator>Steamed McQueen</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 08 Oct 2010 23:28:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[re: Soviet oppression:  Even the KGB had the courtesy to knock first and determine that they had the correct apartment before they ripped the place apart and took the inhabitant away.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>re: Soviet oppression:  Even the KGB had the courtesy to knock first and determine that they had the correct apartment before they ripped the place apart and took the inhabitant away.</p>
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		<title>By: Kevin3%</title>
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		<dc:creator>Kevin3%</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 08 Oct 2010 23:20:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I suspect that what will eventually come of all of these &quot;ISOLATED INCIDENTS&quot; if no level of substantive accountability is forthcoming, the first cop who breaches the door in such a manner, will one day, have his fucking head blown off!

Substantive accountability = personal and individual criminal charges and personal and individual payment of restitution against the wrong doer(s).

I am not holding my breadth for the former.  Nor will I shed a single tear for the pig who dies in such a manner.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I suspect that what will eventually come of all of these &#8220;ISOLATED INCIDENTS&#8221; if no level of substantive accountability is forthcoming, the first cop who breaches the door in such a manner, will one day, have his fucking head blown off!</p>
<p>Substantive accountability = personal and individual criminal charges and personal and individual payment of restitution against the wrong doer(s).</p>
<p>I am not holding my breadth for the former.  Nor will I shed a single tear for the pig who dies in such a manner.</p>
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		<title>By: ZappaCrappa</title>
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		<dc:creator>ZappaCrappa</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 08 Oct 2010 23:09:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[You people all need to shut the fuck up and be grateful you live in the greatest country on the mother fucking planet...and recite the pledge of allegiance!  I said RECITE THE FUCKING PLEDGE OF FUCKING ALLEGIANCE!!!!  ooops...wrong thread...or is it?]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You people all need to shut the fuck up and be grateful you live in the greatest country on the mother fucking planet&#8230;and recite the pledge of allegiance!  I said RECITE THE FUCKING PLEDGE OF FUCKING ALLEGIANCE!!!!  ooops&#8230;wrong thread&#8230;or is it?</p>
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		<title>By: Juxtaposition &#171; Oh, My!</title>
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		<dc:creator>Juxtaposition &#171; Oh, My!</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 08 Oct 2010 22:56:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[[...] And this. [...]]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] And this. [...]</p>
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