“Guys in Jail Are Going To Rape You”

Wednesday, August 18th, 2010

An undercover New York City cop threatens a man taking cell phone video with arrest for being disrespectful. He then explains that an arrest means a weekend in jail, where he’ll probably be raped.

The confrontation appears to have occurred during an undercover bust of a suspected “illegal social club,” which judging by its use in other other raids appears to be a law that criminalizes weird artist types who freak out the neighbors.

The space that was raided was run by a group of activist independent filmmakers called the Glass Bead Collective.

Via Carlos Miller.

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31 Responses to ““Guys in Jail Are Going To Rape You””

  1. #1 |  Tyro | 

    Wonder what the reaction would be if the cameraman was a woman. Just how has male rape deteriorated to the point that it is either a joke or a threat but never a problem which should be dealt with.

    This threat is all the more effective because even if people believe they’re in the right and will get off, they still know they can be arrested & detained. Kudos to the cameraman for not caving.

  2. #2 |  Will Grigg | 

    I’m reminded that Omar Khadr, the Canadian citizen on trial in Gitmo for “war crimes” — specifically, throwing a grenade at a U.S. soldier in Afghanistan — was threatened with rape as a means of extracting a confession.

    The strategic use of prison rape, and the threat of the same, is a common tactic employed that the Regime’s agents of armed coercion, both here and abroad.

  3. #3 |  Dante | 

    Notice how often the Police use rape as a threat. Also notice how often the Police threaten to arrest people who are not subject to arrest because they’ve done nothing wrong? Finally, notice how often the Police get away with this behavior?

    Who does that behavior serve? Who does that behavior protect?

    Protect & Serve (Themselves!)

  4. #4 |  Jeff | 

    “Illegal social club”? Is that law even Constitutional, what with the right to free assembly and all that?

  5. #5 |  Mike Leatherwood | 

    I have never been in jail. I do know there is a difference between a city lock-up and a prison. Not only do these cops watch too many war movies, they also need to put down their copies of Shawshank Redemption and let go of their “Oz” DVDs.

  6. #6 |  Greg N. | 

    I’m convinced that the ability of cops to jail people “for three days” or even a single night represents the largest threat to the day-to-day liberty of the average citizen. As long as there is no disincentive for the cop, people will continue to be arrested for “being disrespectful,” even if they haven’t broken the law. Worse, they will more than likely just bend to the cop’s will to avoid arrest, which, as far as liberty is concerned, is almost as bad.

    The question would be: is there any plausible way to get legislatures or courts to actually rein in this kind of lawlessness among police?

  7. #7 |  Cynical in CA | 

    A person who considered him/herself a member of the community-at-large could never behave this way towards his/her fellow community members.

    This is at least a starting point to prove what I already know to be true — that LEOs consider themselves members of a distinct community separate from the community-at-large.

    A rational person, understanding the above, imho would admit that the system at present is dysfunctional and must be replaced, not reformed.

  8. #8 |  TomMil | 

    Of course officer tough guy here would be put in solitary confinement because they need protection. cowards with badges.

  9. #9 |  TomMil | 

    damn, That’s “..would be put in solitary if he went to jail because he would need protection.”

  10. #10 |  jppatter | 

    #1 | Tyro
    … Just how has male rape deteriorated to the point that it is either a joke or a threat but never a problem which should be dealt with.

    The only quibble I would have with you here Tyro is that I don’t think the subject of male rape has “deteriorated” to a joke or a threat. I think it has always been seen as a joke or a threat, and that is part of the bigger problem. You are right, the cop would never have said something like that to a woman. But there is still this icky, locker-room mentality about male rape, that you can laugh about it and make fun of guys if it happens to them. To actually address it as a problem and treat it seriously means to actually acknowledge that the men who are raped are actually (gasp) victims of a violent crime.

  11. #11 |  wunder | 

    am i the only one confused by the concept of an “illegal social club”? i know we threw the constitution away ages ago, but wouldn’t that come under “the right of the people peaceably to assemble”?

  12. #12 |  Joe | 

    Sadly that could be a statement of fact.

  13. #13 |  Duncan20903 | 

    Life imitates art. The police in fictional crime dramas have been doing this for decades.

  14. #14 |  jimn | 

    I think it’s worth noting that the Glass Bead Collective was one of the first police targets in the run up to the 2008 RNC convention in St. Paul.

    They also created the documentary “Terrorizing Dissent,” which shows the disturbing footage of police abuse against the protesters during the convention.

    http://minnesotaindependent.com/tag/glass-bead-collective

  15. #15 |  JOR | 

    Attitudes towards even female rape victims can be pretty barbaric. But the typical attitude towards male rape victims is just horrifying; it’s like everything out of the most deluded tribalistic feminist’s fantastic hyperbole about patriarchal rape culture, made real and directed at male rape victims.

  16. #16 |  Kevin Carson | 

    Wunder: Gosh, no, we didn’t throw the Constitution away! We kept the Bill of Rights around as an example of good penmanship.

  17. #17 |  Woog | 

    With so much material, its hard not to wander into cop-bashing territory.

    18 USC 241 and 18 USC 242 as applicable: threatening to deprive someone of their civil rights under (false) color of authority is a crime punishable by death in the event of rape, etc.

    The more folks wake up to the fact that such “cops” are nothing more than criminals in funny clothes, the less this sort of B.S. will be tolerated. Hopefully merely by firing the police chief, city council, etc.

  18. #18 |  Andrew | 

    I’ve twice been threatened with arrest and rape in jail both during traffic stops. Once for refusing to consent to a vehicle search and once for refusing to tell an officer where I had been and where I was going. One of the reasons why I now have my vehicles wired for video and audio. Next time I’m going to have evidence and an attorney.

  19. #19 |  Windy | 

    Mike, I know someone who was incarcerated in the local county jail for 71 days. He witnessed a rape while there (among other atrocities and crimes committed by both inmates and guards), of course he kept quiet about it all (you do NOT report ANYTHING while in jail). Those kinds of things do not only happen in prisons; in fact, some of the other inmates had been in prison (they were in jail awaiting trial on new charges) and they told him conditions (and food and leisure activities) are better in the prisons than in the county jail. I’m sure there are some jails that are better than some prisons, but this one was not.

    jppatter, I also know someone who is a victim of male rape. It didn’t happen in jail (this person has never been in jail), it happened in the rest-room of a gay bar in a big city. He was just 21, newly out of the closet, and highly naive. He is HIV positive due to that rape.

    Rape has become an even worse violation than it used to be, because now one can contract a killer disease from it. I suspect the kind of rape my friend’s son experienced is likely less common than prison rape, but all rapes are violations of the victims unalienable rights, and being incarcerated (especially for a non-violent crime), should not result in a death sentence from some dread disease.

  20. #20 |  BoogaFrito | 

    “The question would be: is there any plausible way to get legislatures or courts to actually rein in this kind of lawlessness among police?”

    Only if the victim themselves is a legislator.

  21. #21 |  Pablo | 

    The common attitudes toward prison rape are one sign we have a long way to go before becoming a truly civilized society. The saddest aspect is that it is largely preventable and it isn’t a matter of money. Prisons and jails are the one place where the authorities have complete control. It should be automatic to evaluate inmates for risk (both of being a rapist and a victim) and segregate accordlingly. The literature on the subject is full of instances of sociopathic guards placing vulnerable inmates in the same cells as notorious predators, either because they don’t care or actually want to see the inmate raped. There is a special place in hell for such animals.

  22. #22 |  Bill | 

    I wonder what would happen if one were to explain to a cop like the one above that if anything bad were to happen to you while in jail, “certain people” might take it upon themselves to track him down and rape his freshly dead body. After all, I’m not really threatening him, I’m just telling him what might happen.

    Full disclosure: I really don’t wonder what would happen; I’m pretty sure I know. The real question is why that doesn’t happen to cops who threaten the people they “protect and serve” with putting them intentionally in harm’s way.

  23. #23 |  Sinchy | 

    I think the rape threat while offensive is not really the worst part of the video. I think anyone who is threatened with arrest would contemplate the prison rape scenario but I doubt the cop would be able to make it actually happen.
    The big problem I have with the video is that the cop is acting so immature.
    He is taunting the guy and girl with the cameras instead of being clear and direct. Obviously there was police business going on and he should have clearly articulated why the camera people should move away and give clear parameters as to the distance. Instead he is just provoking a confrontation.
    Whether or not he was violating their rights or not he was not performing his duties in a safe or effective way. Bad police work, terrible public relations, and an attitude which flies in the face of “courtesy, professionalism, respect.”
    Also if he was indeed “undercover” and not just plain clothes then provoking a video confrontation was a good way to blow your cover. He should have just told the uniformed cop to do the talking for him.

  24. #24 |  cinesimon | 

    He seemed wasted to me…

  25. #25 |  pam | 

    Feel free to jump to paragraph 4:

    http://www.nems360.com/view/full_story/7981146/article-Group-to-file-complaint-against-Lee-County-sheriff

    Best Gag-Me Line:

    “I’m not going to be harassed or intimidated by anyone to do anything that I don’t believe in,” said Johnson. “My stance has not changed.”

    This county jail is so below standards, it is not on the approved list for accepting state inmates. . The sheriff has said he doesn’t care about that. Apparently, he doesn’t need no stinkin’ money from the state, that way he can run it his way!

    Children as young as 13, 14 & 15 are detained here if charged as an adult which is next to the juvenile detention center run by the same sheriff. Yes, there are rapes…

    Read more: NEMS360.com – Group to file complaint against Lee County sheriff

  26. #26 |  pam | 

    cinesimon, I thought the same thing. Telltale signs

  27. #27 |  parse | 

    My limited experience (6 months jail, in the aggregate; 4 years in prison in one stretch) is that Windy’s observation is correct: prisons are safer than jails. Qualifier: I was in a medium security prison, not a max. And several of the jails I was in were notorious for their conditions.

  28. #28 |  flyingsquirrel | 

    #22 Bill:

    “The real question is why that doesn’t happen to cops who threaten the people they “protect and serve” with putting them intentionally in harm’s way.”

    Answer: Because most people are wimps.

  29. #29 |  Rod Flash | 

    “He seemed wasted to me…”

    Good call. NYPD is claiming he’s not one of theirs. Could be a cover up for an undercover, but with all the coverage I’m sure we’ll find out eventually.

    http://gothamist.com/2010/08/20/nypd_thats_a_drunk_guy_not_a_cop_in.php

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