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	<title>Comments on: Are Critics of Cops Driving a Spike in Cop Killing?</title>
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	<description>It rankles me when somebody tries to tell somebody what to do.</description>
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		<title>By: Mark Matis</title>
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		<dc:creator>Mark Matis</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 20 Nov 2010 01:00:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Maybe if &quot;Law Enforcement&quot; would actually honor their oath of office to &quot;...preserve, protect, and defend the Constitution...&quot; they might have less problems.  As it is, FAR TOO MANY view that oath as a mere formality and instead bow and scrape before their Masters and then do whatever they&#039;re told.  Making them NOT &quot;Law Enforcment&quot; but instead merely Thugs with Guns.  Whether it&#039;s Seattle or Las Vegas or Chicago, the stench is overwhelming.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Maybe if &#8220;Law Enforcement&#8221; would actually honor their oath of office to &#8220;&#8230;preserve, protect, and defend the Constitution&#8230;&#8221; they might have less problems.  As it is, FAR TOO MANY view that oath as a mere formality and instead bow and scrape before their Masters and then do whatever they&#8217;re told.  Making them NOT &#8220;Law Enforcment&#8221; but instead merely Thugs with Guns.  Whether it&#8217;s Seattle or Las Vegas or Chicago, the stench is overwhelming.</p>
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		<title>By: Phelps</title>
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		<dc:creator>Phelps</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 25 Jul 2010 05:17:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It&#039;s simple to me.  Municipalities are pushing cops to more and more tax collection masquerading as traffic control.  That means more stops, more random contact, and more random contact means more violent contact.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It&#8217;s simple to me.  Municipalities are pushing cops to more and more tax collection masquerading as traffic control.  That means more stops, more random contact, and more random contact means more violent contact.</p>
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		<title>By: JOR</title>
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		<dc:creator>JOR</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 23 Jul 2010 23:22:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>#43,

You mean Beck&#039;s actually helping accomplish something useful? Maybe the Tea Party types aren&#039;t as worthless as I thought.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>#43,</p>
<p>You mean Beck&#8217;s actually helping accomplish something useful? Maybe the Tea Party types aren&#8217;t as worthless as I thought.</p>
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		<title>By: croaker</title>
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		<dc:creator>croaker</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 23 Jul 2010 23:21:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@39  If that&#039;s the RastaFed movie, it was more along the lines of &quot;I&#039;m a professional, you&#039;re not, BANG!&quot;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@39  If that&#8217;s the RastaFed movie, it was more along the lines of &#8220;I&#8217;m a professional, you&#8217;re not, BANG!&#8221;</p>
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		<title>By: Shiden</title>
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		<dc:creator>Shiden</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 23 Jul 2010 18:30:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>At least a few of those deaths are because of the &quot;they&#039;re coming to take my gunz OMG!&quot; crowd too, so don&#039;t forget to blame some of the nuts who&#039;ve been stirred up by Beck et. al.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>At least a few of those deaths are because of the &#8220;they&#8217;re coming to take my gunz OMG!&#8221; crowd too, so don&#8217;t forget to blame some of the nuts who&#8217;ve been stirred up by Beck et. al.</p>
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		<title>By: Steve Verdon</title>
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		<dc:creator>Steve Verdon</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 23 Jul 2010 17:08:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;Last year, on-duty officer deaths hit a 50-year low. So what’s behind the increase?&lt;/blockquote&gt;

You just explained it, IMO.  Returning to the mean.  Not that shocking.  Everything else is just rent seeking/power seeking bullshit.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>Last year, on-duty officer deaths hit a 50-year low. So what’s behind the increase?</p></blockquote>
<p>You just explained it, IMO.  Returning to the mean.  Not that shocking.  Everything else is just rent seeking/power seeking bullshit.</p>
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		<title>By: NinthStage</title>
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		<dc:creator>NinthStage</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 23 Jul 2010 04:58:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The homicide rate for all occupations is probably between 0.6 and 0.9 per 100k (1980 to 1995 CDC data).  This report shows that police homicides are likely to stay right in that range this year.  Nothing new or special here, cops simply do not have particularly dangerous jobs.

BTW, motor vehicle fatality rates for the same period ranged between 0.9 and 1.7 per 100k for the same period.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The homicide rate for all occupations is probably between 0.6 and 0.9 per 100k (1980 to 1995 CDC data).  This report shows that police homicides are likely to stay right in that range this year.  Nothing new or special here, cops simply do not have particularly dangerous jobs.</p>
<p>BTW, motor vehicle fatality rates for the same period ranged between 0.9 and 1.7 per 100k for the same period.</p>
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		<title>By: Boyd Durkin</title>
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		<dc:creator>Boyd Durkin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 23 Jul 2010 04:57:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>“There has been a spate of particularly brutal and senseless attacks on the police,...” 

in response to the CONTINUED brutal and senseless attacks on the public by the police.

Idiots unable to understand why violence against cops is up are most likely also confused as to why the USA is a target of terrorists.  Hint: it has more to do with our foreign policy than our freedom.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>“There has been a spate of particularly brutal and senseless attacks on the police,&#8230;” </p>
<p>in response to the CONTINUED brutal and senseless attacks on the public by the police.</p>
<p>Idiots unable to understand why violence against cops is up are most likely also confused as to why the USA is a target of terrorists.  Hint: it has more to do with our foreign policy than our freedom.</p>
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		<title>By: Duncan20903</title>
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		<dc:creator>Duncan20903</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 23 Jul 2010 04:19:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@HD there&#039;s the infamous Youtube segment of the cop teaching a class of students about gun safety shooting himself in the leg.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rAVYFRM5Tl8</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@HD there&#8217;s the infamous Youtube segment of the cop teaching a class of students about gun safety shooting himself in the leg.<br />
<a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rAVYFRM5Tl8" rel="nofollow">http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rAVYFRM5Tl8</a></p>
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		<title>By: BSK</title>
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		<dc:creator>BSK</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 23 Jul 2010 01:56:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Luke-

That is true, but there are degrees.  The guy who stand idly by why a cop abuses a suspect is wrong.  But he&#039;s LESS wrong than the guy doing the abusing.  Both deserve punishment, but I would say there is at least hope of redemption for the former.  Not necessarily as an LEO, but at least as a person.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Luke-</p>
<p>That is true, but there are degrees.  The guy who stand idly by why a cop abuses a suspect is wrong.  But he&#8217;s LESS wrong than the guy doing the abusing.  Both deserve punishment, but I would say there is at least hope of redemption for the former.  Not necessarily as an LEO, but at least as a person.</p>
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		<title>By: ZappaCrappa</title>
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		<dc:creator>ZappaCrappa</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 23 Jul 2010 00:50:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Cool...some good news for a change.  I&#039;m still going to wager that the unwarranted civilian deaths by cop far outnumbers the deaths of cops by 20X...in fact...I&#039;ll go &quot;ALL IN&quot; on that bet.

Stop killing us for no reason and we&#039;ll stop killing you...how&#039;s that for an idea?  Still waiting to see if this story illicits any emotion other than a &quot;meh&quot;.........nope.  Still a &quot;meh.&quot;   I&#039;ll save my pity and concern for those who actually deserve it.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Cool&#8230;some good news for a change.  I&#8217;m still going to wager that the unwarranted civilian deaths by cop far outnumbers the deaths of cops by 20X&#8230;in fact&#8230;I&#8217;ll go &#8220;ALL IN&#8221; on that bet.</p>
<p>Stop killing us for no reason and we&#8217;ll stop killing you&#8230;how&#8217;s that for an idea?  Still waiting to see if this story illicits any emotion other than a &#8220;meh&#8221;&#8230;&#8230;&#8230;nope.  Still a &#8220;meh.&#8221;   I&#8217;ll save my pity and concern for those who actually deserve it.</p>
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		<title>By: Kevin Carson</title>
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		<dc:creator>Kevin Carson</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 23 Jul 2010 00:28:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Maybe it&#039;s the filthy, corrupt shit that they&#039;re being rightfully criticized for that&#039;s causing them to be killed.  Maybe if they don&#039;t want people to hate them, they should quit being such fucking dirtbags.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Maybe it&#8217;s the filthy, corrupt shit that they&#8217;re being rightfully criticized for that&#8217;s causing them to be killed.  Maybe if they don&#8217;t want people to hate them, they should quit being such fucking dirtbags.</p>
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		<title>By: Luke</title>
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		<dc:creator>Luke</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 23 Jul 2010 00:13:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@DJB: &quot;While it may be unfair to indite the many good officers for the actions of the few, it has become necessary to do so because of the systems (thin blue line of silence) continued refusal to seek out and punish those who are corrupt, brutal and thuggish. &quot;


A &quot;good&quot; cop who actively covers for bad cops, is a BAD cop. 

A &quot;good&quot; cop who merely looks the other way and doesn&#039;t speak up in the face of cop misconduct, is also a BAD cop.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@DJB: &#8220;While it may be unfair to indite the many good officers for the actions of the few, it has become necessary to do so because of the systems (thin blue line of silence) continued refusal to seek out and punish those who are corrupt, brutal and thuggish. &#8221;</p>
<p>A &#8220;good&#8221; cop who actively covers for bad cops, is a BAD cop. </p>
<p>A &#8220;good&#8221; cop who merely looks the other way and doesn&#8217;t speak up in the face of cop misconduct, is also a BAD cop.</p>
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		<title>By: Michael Chaney</title>
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		<dc:creator>Michael Chaney</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 23 Jul 2010 00:05:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;I wonder how many of those dead cops were killed because of nonsensical policies that intentionally escalate confrontations into violent events. You know, the kind of stories that cause much of that “scathing criticism” of cops on the Internet&lt;/blockquote&gt;

And are dismissed by the department spokesman as &quot;standard procedure&quot;.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>I wonder how many of those dead cops were killed because of nonsensical policies that intentionally escalate confrontations into violent events. You know, the kind of stories that cause much of that “scathing criticism” of cops on the Internet</p></blockquote>
<p>And are dismissed by the department spokesman as &#8220;standard procedure&#8221;.</p>
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		<title>By: Monica</title>
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		<dc:creator>Monica</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 22 Jul 2010 23:48:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>There are lies, damn lies and then there are statistics.

&quot;For example, it wouldn’t be difficult to envision a politician using O’Donnell’s quote to defend a policy of a arresting and imprisoning people who take cell phone videos of on-duty police officers.&quot;

The problem with even writing this is that somewhere some &quot;defender of liberty&quot; lawmaker might actually say &quot;Yeah, why didn&#039;t I think of that myself&quot;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>There are lies, damn lies and then there are statistics.</p>
<p>&#8220;For example, it wouldn’t be difficult to envision a politician using O’Donnell’s quote to defend a policy of a arresting and imprisoning people who take cell phone videos of on-duty police officers.&#8221;</p>
<p>The problem with even writing this is that somewhere some &#8220;defender of liberty&#8221; lawmaker might actually say &#8220;Yeah, why didn&#8217;t I think of that myself&#8221;</p>
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		<title>By: Aresen</title>
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		<dc:creator>Aresen</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 22 Jul 2010 23:01:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>For comparison, BTW, examine &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.stormhorizon.org/lightning-fatalities-table.html&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;this&lt;/a&gt; table of lightning related fatalities in the US over the last 50 years.

The figures are comparable and show similar statistical variations. (Interesting, there has been a roughly 2/3 drop in numbers over the last 50 years. Do Americans have less spark nowadays?) :)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>For comparison, BTW, examine <a href="http://www.stormhorizon.org/lightning-fatalities-table.html" rel="nofollow">this</a> table of lightning related fatalities in the US over the last 50 years.</p>
<p>The figures are comparable and show similar statistical variations. (Interesting, there has been a roughly 2/3 drop in numbers over the last 50 years. Do Americans have less spark nowadays?) :)</p>
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		<title>By: Aresen</title>
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		<dc:creator>Aresen</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 22 Jul 2010 22:43:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>IANA statistician, but this is pure statistical gamesmanship.

Two years ago, the figure was remarkably low – dropping from over 100 the year before down to under 60. Did the NLEOMF people come out then and say “gosh, people are being nice to cops”?

After a slight rise to 61 last year, the figure bumped up to 87, but this is only slightly above the overall downward trend line and appears to lie near or within two standard deviations of the mean. The change meaningless given the small number of events. 

The NLEOMF needs to get a “bullshit” call on this one.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>IANA statistician, but this is pure statistical gamesmanship.</p>
<p>Two years ago, the figure was remarkably low – dropping from over 100 the year before down to under 60. Did the NLEOMF people come out then and say “gosh, people are being nice to cops”?</p>
<p>After a slight rise to 61 last year, the figure bumped up to 87, but this is only slightly above the overall downward trend line and appears to lie near or within two standard deviations of the mean. The change meaningless given the small number of events. </p>
<p>The NLEOMF needs to get a “bullshit” call on this one.</p>
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		<title>By: Dave Krueger</title>
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		<dc:creator>Dave Krueger</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 22 Jul 2010 22:25:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I wonder how many of those dead cops were killed because of nonsensical policies that intentionally escalate confrontations into violent events.  You know, the kind of stories that cause much of that &lt;i&gt;“scathing criticism” of cops on the Internet&lt;/i&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I wonder how many of those dead cops were killed because of nonsensical policies that intentionally escalate confrontations into violent events.  You know, the kind of stories that cause much of that <i>“scathing criticism” of cops on the Internet</i></p>
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		<title>By: God's Own Drunk</title>
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		<dc:creator>God's Own Drunk</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 22 Jul 2010 21:54:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;....that nine additional gunfire deaths over six months may well just be a statistical hiccup&quot;

Absolutely.  Especially considering 4 of those deaths occured in one incident (Maurice Clemmons here in my neck of the woods).

On the other hand, the 2 officers shot in January in Seattle (1 killed, 1 wounded) were shot by a man who explicitly targeted the police for their abuses of power and brutality.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;&#8230;.that nine additional gunfire deaths over six months may well just be a statistical hiccup&#8221;</p>
<p>Absolutely.  Especially considering 4 of those deaths occured in one incident (Maurice Clemmons here in my neck of the woods).</p>
<p>On the other hand, the 2 officers shot in January in Seattle (1 killed, 1 wounded) were shot by a man who explicitly targeted the police for their abuses of power and brutality.</p>
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		<title>By: Cynical in CA</title>
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		<dc:creator>Cynical in CA</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 22 Jul 2010 21:02:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I attribute Eugene O&#039;Donnell&#039;s point of view to his habits of beating the crap out of his wife, screwing little boys in the ass and skewering live puppies on spikes.

I don&#039;t have any evidence for these assertions mind you, but it&#039;s the most plausible explanation.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I attribute Eugene O&#8217;Donnell&#8217;s point of view to his habits of beating the crap out of his wife, screwing little boys in the ass and skewering live puppies on spikes.</p>
<p>I don&#8217;t have any evidence for these assertions mind you, but it&#8217;s the most plausible explanation.</p>
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