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	<title>Comments on: Report From the Meeting of Columbia&#8217;s Police Civilian Review Board</title>
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	<description>It rankles me when somebody tries to tell somebody what to do.</description>
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		<title>By: John Schultz</title>
		<link>http://www.theagitator.com/2010/05/14/report-from-the-meeting-of-columbias-citizen-review-board/comment-page-1/#comment-397921</link>
		<dc:creator>John Schultz</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 25 May 2010 23:25:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Small correction for CTD if they are still following this - the Libertarian chair who spoke was actually the Missouri state chair, someone who has been following Radley for some time now.  I (the county chair) was hoping to attend and speak, but had kid duty that night.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Small correction for CTD if they are still following this &#8211; the Libertarian chair who spoke was actually the Missouri state chair, someone who has been following Radley for some time now.  I (the county chair) was hoping to attend and speak, but had kid duty that night.</p>
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		<title>By: Tyson</title>
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		<dc:creator>Tyson</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 17 May 2010 14:01:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[And the criminal thugs continue

7-year-old girl killed in Detroit police raid
http://www.cnn.com/2010/CRIME/05/16/michigan.police.child/index.html?eref=igoogle_cnn]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>And the criminal thugs continue</p>
<p>7-year-old girl killed in Detroit police raid<br />
<a href="http://www.cnn.com/2010/CRIME/05/16/michigan.police.child/index.html?eref=igoogle_cnn" rel="nofollow">http://www.cnn.com/2010/CRIME/05/16/michigan.police.child/index.html?eref=igoogle_cnn</a></p>
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		<title>By: Helmut O' Hooligan</title>
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		<dc:creator>Helmut O' Hooligan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 15 May 2010 03:26:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Wow!  Good news from Columbia, MO, and good news for Radley.  Here is some demonstration that your hard work is paying off and people are listening or at least waking up.  Keep up the good fight agitators!]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Wow!  Good news from Columbia, MO, and good news for Radley.  Here is some demonstration that your hard work is paying off and people are listening or at least waking up.  Keep up the good fight agitators!</p>
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		<title>By: Police Civilian Review Board &#124; mad libertarian guy</title>
		<link>http://www.theagitator.com/2010/05/14/report-from-the-meeting-of-columbias-citizen-review-board/comment-page-1/#comment-395986</link>
		<dc:creator>Police Civilian Review Board &#124; mad libertarian guy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 15 May 2010 01:53:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[[...] the fuck do I start one of these?  Everywhere there is a police/sheriff&#8217;s department needs civilians to review police work, [...]]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] the fuck do I start one of these?  Everywhere there is a police/sheriff&#8217;s department needs civilians to review police work, [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Laura Victoria</title>
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		<dc:creator>Laura Victoria</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 15 May 2010 00:02:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I was pleasantly surprised and impressed with the caliber of the comments (close to 400) in the Columbia Tribune article. It was almost like being here at home at The Agitator.  http://www.columbiatribune.com/news/2010/may/13/speaking-out-on-swat/

Great job as always, Radley. The message is slowly getting out there that yes it can &quot;happen to you&quot; and you need to care when it happens to others.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I was pleasantly surprised and impressed with the caliber of the comments (close to 400) in the Columbia Tribune article. It was almost like being here at home at The Agitator.  <a href="http://www.columbiatribune.com/news/2010/may/13/speaking-out-on-swat/" rel="nofollow">http://www.columbiatribune.com/news/2010/may/13/speaking-out-on-swat/</a></p>
<p>Great job as always, Radley. The message is slowly getting out there that yes it can &#8220;happen to you&#8221; and you need to care when it happens to others.</p>
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		<title>By: PogueMahone</title>
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		<dc:creator>PogueMahone</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 14 May 2010 21:16:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Thanks CTD for the first hand account.  (and Radley, of course.)

I hope that the meeting was recorded and made available online.  I would also hope that even if the raid video going viral w/ a million+ viewers doesn&#039;t make national news, then a video of hundreds of angry citizens at a town meeting rightfully bitching about it might.

Maybe.


And with a little luck and due diligence, we can win this war on the war on &lt;strike&gt;citizens&lt;/strike&gt; drugs. 

Cheers.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks CTD for the first hand account.  (and Radley, of course.)</p>
<p>I hope that the meeting was recorded and made available online.  I would also hope that even if the raid video going viral w/ a million+ viewers doesn&#8217;t make national news, then a video of hundreds of angry citizens at a town meeting rightfully bitching about it might.</p>
<p>Maybe.</p>
<p>And with a little luck and due diligence, we can win this war on the war on <strike>citizens</strike> drugs. </p>
<p>Cheers.</p>
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		<title>By: JS</title>
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		<dc:creator>JS</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 14 May 2010 20:22:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[God bless your dad SJE!  We need more like that.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>God bless your dad SJE!  We need more like that.</p>
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		<title>By: SJE</title>
		<link>http://www.theagitator.com/2010/05/14/report-from-the-meeting-of-columbias-citizen-review-board/comment-page-1/#comment-395928</link>
		<dc:creator>SJE</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 14 May 2010 20:02:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[PS:  My old man was special forces, and knows how to shoot, kill and lead At nearly 70, still leads expeditions in deep mountainous jungle.  No gun, but you should see him with a f*in&#039; axe handle.  He taught me a lot about how force should be applied judiciously, and only where necessary in the civilian context.  He is appalled at the behavior of a lot of cops.  Last time he was pulled over, he interrupted the cop&#039;s lecture to tell him to give him a ticket or let him go, but spare him the lecture.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>PS:  My old man was special forces, and knows how to shoot, kill and lead At nearly 70, still leads expeditions in deep mountainous jungle.  No gun, but you should see him with a f*in&#8217; axe handle.  He taught me a lot about how force should be applied judiciously, and only where necessary in the civilian context.  He is appalled at the behavior of a lot of cops.  Last time he was pulled over, he interrupted the cop&#8217;s lecture to tell him to give him a ticket or let him go, but spare him the lecture.</p>
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		<title>By: SJE</title>
		<link>http://www.theagitator.com/2010/05/14/report-from-the-meeting-of-columbias-citizen-review-board/comment-page-1/#comment-395927</link>
		<dc:creator>SJE</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 14 May 2010 19:56:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Macho is not the same as brave.  Macho is killing everything that moves.  Brave is willing to hold your fire to protect the innocent from harm, even if there is a risk (however small) that you might be hurt.  Well trained soldiers are brave.  Hot-headed steroid-abusing SWAT teams that brutalize people, and then avoid accountability, are not brave: only bullies and cowards.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Macho is not the same as brave.  Macho is killing everything that moves.  Brave is willing to hold your fire to protect the innocent from harm, even if there is a risk (however small) that you might be hurt.  Well trained soldiers are brave.  Hot-headed steroid-abusing SWAT teams that brutalize people, and then avoid accountability, are not brave: only bullies and cowards.</p>
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		<title>By: Aresen</title>
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		<dc:creator>Aresen</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 14 May 2010 18:51:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[&lt;blockquote&gt;
TimTomato &#124;  May 14th, 2010 at 1:12 pm 
&lt;i&gt;Sounds like at least one military man doesnt think SWAT raids are very macho.&lt;/i&gt;
&lt;/blockquote&gt;

Aww, come on! What could be more macho than attacking a sleeping family with overwhelming firepower while clad in full body armor, terrorizing their children and shooting their beloved family pet before their eyes, then handcuffing them and forcing them to the floor with a semi-automatic rifle pointed at their heads while you and your cohort wreck their home?

/snark]]></description>
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TimTomato |  May 14th, 2010 at 1:12 pm<br />
<i>Sounds like at least one military man doesnt think SWAT raids are very macho.</i>
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<p>Aww, come on! What could be more macho than attacking a sleeping family with overwhelming firepower while clad in full body armor, terrorizing their children and shooting their beloved family pet before their eyes, then handcuffing them and forcing them to the floor with a semi-automatic rifle pointed at their heads while you and your cohort wreck their home?</p>
<p>/snark</p>
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		<title>By: JS</title>
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		<dc:creator>JS</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 14 May 2010 18:50:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Juice &quot;Goddammit!!!

The police are civilians. The more people call non-cops civilians, the more that the cops feel that they are not subject to the same set of laws as everyone else.

If anything, they should be subject to more stringent application of the law.&quot;

Great point! They can go home at night. They can quit and go find another job anytime they want to. Cops ARE civilians.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Juice &#8220;Goddammit!!!</p>
<p>The police are civilians. The more people call non-cops civilians, the more that the cops feel that they are not subject to the same set of laws as everyone else.</p>
<p>If anything, they should be subject to more stringent application of the law.&#8221;</p>
<p>Great point! They can go home at night. They can quit and go find another job anytime they want to. Cops ARE civilians.</p>
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		<title>By: Bronwyn</title>
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		<dc:creator>Bronwyn</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 14 May 2010 18:23:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Had there been video of the shooting of Tarika Wilson and her baby, including audio, I wonder if the public reaction would have been more effective?]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Had there been video of the shooting of Tarika Wilson and her baby, including audio, I wonder if the public reaction would have been more effective?</p>
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		<title>By: Rhayader</title>
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		<dc:creator>Rhayader</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 14 May 2010 18:09:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[@CRNewsome:

&lt;i&gt;What makes this video different to me is that it was taken by the cops. Playing devil’s advocate here, if the cops show you a video, you can assume it to be edited to show them in the most positive light possible. &lt;/i&gt;

Oh absolutely.  In fact, that&#039;s what happened here -- the cops first presented the victim&#039;s family with a heavily edited video with no sound and with sections missing.  The un-edited video was only presented once the media started making a stink (which is one reason why the work of Radley and others like him is so vital).

&lt;i&gt;Do we hold dogs lives above our constitutional rights?&lt;/i&gt;

I just think people have a visceral reaction to the sound of a crying dog -- we saw (or, really, heard) what it&#039;s like right in that terrible moment.  Even the Cheye Calvo story -- which had a very similar set of facts involving the dogs -- didn&#039;t inspire the same reaction because people couldn&#039;t &lt;i&gt;see&lt;/i&gt; it go down.

Plus, when they shoot a family pet, it&#039;s just hard for even the most deferential asshole to give the &quot;that damn dog had it coming&quot; argument, which somehow is more universally accepted when adult humans are the victims.  Nobody dislikes dogs and kids though.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@CRNewsome:</p>
<p><i>What makes this video different to me is that it was taken by the cops. Playing devil’s advocate here, if the cops show you a video, you can assume it to be edited to show them in the most positive light possible. </i></p>
<p>Oh absolutely.  In fact, that&#8217;s what happened here &#8212; the cops first presented the victim&#8217;s family with a heavily edited video with no sound and with sections missing.  The un-edited video was only presented once the media started making a stink (which is one reason why the work of Radley and others like him is so vital).</p>
<p><i>Do we hold dogs lives above our constitutional rights?</i></p>
<p>I just think people have a visceral reaction to the sound of a crying dog &#8212; we saw (or, really, heard) what it&#8217;s like right in that terrible moment.  Even the Cheye Calvo story &#8212; which had a very similar set of facts involving the dogs &#8212; didn&#8217;t inspire the same reaction because people couldn&#8217;t <i>see</i> it go down.</p>
<p>Plus, when they shoot a family pet, it&#8217;s just hard for even the most deferential asshole to give the &#8220;that damn dog had it coming&#8221; argument, which somehow is more universally accepted when adult humans are the victims.  Nobody dislikes dogs and kids though.</p>
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		<title>By: Marty</title>
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		<dc:creator>Marty</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 14 May 2010 18:09:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I&#039;m hoping good things come from this- it looks promising!]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m hoping good things come from this- it looks promising!</p>
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		<title>By: Nick</title>
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		<dc:creator>Nick</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 14 May 2010 18:06:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Also, when the mayor of Columbia appeared on Freedom Watch, it was obvious he (or someone responsible for creating his talking points) had read &lt;em&gt;Overkill&lt;/em&gt;.

Information won&#039;t cure &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=suNzxthcTJs&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;the virus&lt;/a&gt; but it helps build immunity.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Also, when the mayor of Columbia appeared on Freedom Watch, it was obvious he (or someone responsible for creating his talking points) had read <em>Overkill</em>.</p>
<p>Information won&#8217;t cure <a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=suNzxthcTJs" rel="nofollow">the virus</a> but it helps build immunity.</p>
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		<title>By: Robert</title>
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		<dc:creator>Robert</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 14 May 2010 18:06:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[On the subject of cameras, did the police attending the meeting take any pictures or video of the people attending?  Here the local police have a habit of videoing anyone that they don&#039;t like when the person is speaking at a public meeting of the local government.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>On the subject of cameras, did the police attending the meeting take any pictures or video of the people attending?  Here the local police have a habit of videoing anyone that they don&#8217;t like when the person is speaking at a public meeting of the local government.</p>
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		<title>By: Juice</title>
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		<dc:creator>Juice</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 14 May 2010 18:05:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[It should be called the Columbia Civilian Police Review Board.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It should be called the Columbia Civilian Police Review Board.</p>
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		<title>By: Juice</title>
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		<dc:creator>Juice</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 14 May 2010 17:59:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Goddammit!!!

The police are civilians. The more people call non-cops civilians, the more that the cops feel that they are not subject to the same set of laws as everyone else.

If anything, they should be subject to more stringent application of the law.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Goddammit!!!</p>
<p>The police are civilians. The more people call non-cops civilians, the more that the cops feel that they are not subject to the same set of laws as everyone else.</p>
<p>If anything, they should be subject to more stringent application of the law.</p>
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		<title>By: SJE</title>
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		<dc:creator>SJE</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 14 May 2010 17:40:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Take home message to the Missouri cops: its not just &quot;the internet&quot;]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Take home message to the Missouri cops: its not just &#8220;the internet&#8221;</p>
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		<title>By: Dr Duck</title>
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		<dc:creator>Dr Duck</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 14 May 2010 17:22:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[@14 -

Check your local laws first. In some jurisdictions you can video with no problem, but if you include audio you&#039;re guilty of wiretapping or eavesdropping.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@14 -</p>
<p>Check your local laws first. In some jurisdictions you can video with no problem, but if you include audio you&#8217;re guilty of wiretapping or eavesdropping.</p>
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