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Monday, May 10th, 2010

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  1. #1 |  Cynical in CA | 

    I heart Kanellos.

  2. #2 |  Marty | 

    RIP Tyler Spann- you deserved better than this… murdered for a harmless prank.

    I’m betting Verdoni will continue to be an unrepentant prick with a free pass…

  3. #3 |  Big Texan | 

    awww well, stripping the citizenship and the loss of miranda was just the next steps. Before you know it, it’s going to be proposed that citizenship be stripped from drug dealers, because of officer safety, and then murders, rapists, and so on. If someone had told a few years ago that we would be at this point, the stripping of citizenship just on accusation, I would have laughed in your face. Well, I’m not laughing anymore. We are off the slippery slope and into the mud at the bottom of the hill.

  4. #4 |  Yizmo Gizmo | 

    “It didn’t look normal,” sheriff’s spokeswoman Kim Cannaday said. “That’s all we knew.”

    “The result: More than $2,500 in paper money was turned into confetti. Four hundred ninety-eight rolled silver dollars remained intact, Cannaday said. The church won’t be out any money, though, because the U.S. Treasury will replaced damaged paper money, she said.”

    I wonder if you forget to flush and left a turd sitting there
    in the toilet bowl, and it didn’t look “normal.” What would happen
    in this post-911 dystopia. Turdorism. Blow it to smithereens.

  5. #5 |  Mo | 

    The thing about the whole stupid Miranda debate is that Miranda isn’t required to question somebody, it’s required for those statements to be admissible in court. If you think there’s “a ticking time bomb” you can question the guy, sans Miranda, until the cows come home. It’s just that you can’t use it to convict the guy. If you’re trying to save lives, that should be fine and dandy.

  6. #6 |  Dave W. | 

    The ding dong ditch one played out sort of interesting (and it may not be over — there may be a civil suit). What is interesting is that an eyewitness called during the incident and said that Spann (shot guy) attacked Verdoni (the popo). Then a couple hours later the eyewitness said that Spann stood up in defiance of orders, but that Verdoni was the actual attacker.

    Unless there are other eyewitnesses who’s accounts are being suppressed (and that is very possible), then you can see why there is not enough to charge murder. It is either fully justified self-defense or “imperfect” self-defense. The question of whether it is perfect or imperfect self-defense comes down to whether Verdoni had a right to arrest Spann in the first place. That is an interesting legal question. Popos have said that there was trespass and disorderly conduct in the ding dong ditch. They are certainly wrong about trespass. They may or may not be wrong about disorderly conduct. there are also issues lurking here about whether Florida allows resistance of an unlawful arrest and/or whether the 4th Amendment guarantees a right to resist an unlawful arrest.

    Even assuming there was the crime of disorderly, this then raises the issue of whether the misdemeanor was committed in or out of the officer’s “presence.”

    This thing has more meaty legal issues than a law school exam question!!!

    Still and all, a couple things are clear:

    (1) sheriff should not have been the investigating entity — it seriously undermines the credibility of the whole investigation; and

    (2) if Deputy Verdoni were truly worried about his family’s safety then he would not have pursued. If he were dealing with people who actually wanted to do him harm: (a) the accomplice would have been in house with wife and baby the instant he drove out of sight; and (b) Verdoni himself would have been shot in his car by a high powered weapon as he went looking around for the pranksters. the truth is that Deputy Verdoni was not worried about his family’s safety and that part is a rather despicable lie which is right out there in the open and nobody seems to notice.

  7. #7 |  Dave Krueger | 

    With regard to stripping terror suspects of their rights and not mirandizing them, this is just so typical of politics in the U.S. First there’s a call for the abandonment of rights we take for granted, then there’s the uproar as the opposing party tries to shout it down (mostly pissed because they didn’t think of it first), and then the vote where everyone get’s patriotic and grudgingly goes along. Finally, everyone forgets about it and the rights we once took for granted, fade from memory.

    For example. Remember the days when the feds had to get a search warrant? Really! I’m not kidding. They used to have to do that!

  8. #8 |  GaryM | 

    Hillary Clinton stated: ““United States citizenship is a privilege. It is not a right.” This makes her an explicit enemy of the rights of Americans.

  9. #9 |  David | 

    Hillary Clinton stated: ““United States citizenship is a privilege. It is not a right.” This makes her an explicit enemy of the rights of Americans.

    I look at this as inadvertent honesty. That’s how political class and, sadly, most of the electorate view things.

    Re: the detonation of the box of donations

    I don’t have much of a problem with treating an unmarked/unexpected package with suspicion or even destroying it. What I would gripe about is if the PD felt it necessary to charge the person who dropped off the package with some terror-related crime to justify their actions. We see that all too often and I was relieved that the article had no mention of anyone being arrested in connection with this case.

  10. #10 |  Jim Collins | 

    At least the cops didn’t confiscate the money and charge it with a crime.

  11. #11 |  flukebucket | 

    I got a kick out of Hillary saying, “People who are serving foreign powers — or in this case, foreign terrorists — are clearly in violation, in my personal opinion, of that oath which they swore when they became citizens.”

    Hell most every politician I have ever heard of serves foreign powers or foreign terrorists and clearly violates the oath which they swore when they took the oath of office.

    Maybe we should strip the citizenship of all politicians.

  12. #12 |  Elliot | 

    Kanellos seems like he’s having lots of fun in the middle of the protests. I would be shocked if he’d be left alone by American cops in similar circumstances. The only thing that might keep their blood lust in check would be the presence of cameras.

    I don’t know anything about Greek law enforcement. But I do know the protesters are pushing completely unreasonable demands, which is typical of collectivist-dominated European countries.

  13. #13 |  perlhaqr | 

    The bills were estimated to be worth $2,500 to $2,700. The silver dollars may be worth more than $1 apiece, depending on their year minted and condition.

    Hunh. I can’t find a column in my coin guide for “exploded”.

  14. #14 |  Rightshu | 

    From the New York Times article:

    “We know that they helped facilitate it,” Mr. Holder said of the Times Square bombing attempt. “We know that they helped direct it. And I suspect that we are going to come up with evidence which shows that they helped to finance it.”

    …And if we don’t come up with it, we can damn-sure manufacture it!

  15. #15 |  FreeorDead | 

    “People who are serving foreign powers — or in this case, foreign terrorists — are clearly in violation, in my personal opinion, of that oath which they swore when they became citizens.”

    wait a minute, I never took any oath.

    What if thy’re serving domestic terrorists? then are they okay to be citizens?

    Do these people even have brains?

  16. #16 |  BSK | 

    If the cops need more leeway when questioning terror suspects, the only rationale I can think of that makes any sense is that they are dealing with some sort of SUPER criminal that can only be neutralized by exercising SUPER legal powers. Call me crazy, but I’m pretty sure the guy with the box of firecrackers is NOT a super criminal.

  17. #17 |  Greg N. | 

    Bobby “The Brain” Heenan: The world’s best professional wrestling manager.

  18. #18 |  TGGP |