LOL!!

I guess there have been claims that people under the influence of drugs are more likely to be injured when tasered. If so then shouldn’t we know about this?

Radley’s reaction sounds like the Federal government’s claim that since marijuana is known to be a dangerous drug we should not do any medical experiments with it.

The people who back this, or who think it is ‘necessary’ so they can go on loving the great freedoms of the great country of the great UNITED STATES OF ‘MERICA have forgotten that our country was founded PRECISELY TO STOP SHIT LIKE THIS.

It makes me so fucking mad that these people don’t get it, that the government (and by that I mean the faces behind it / in it, not the faceless machine) doesn’t get it. Our nation was founded on the premise that governmental intrusion and control is a bad thing. We need some delegates to, for example, say “YO FRANCE I AM DIPLOMAT, LET’S PARLEY.” We DON’T need delegates, appointees, or unionized royalty (employed for life!) reading our fucking email.

Not yours, you pieces of shit.

The key fact is that the sheep are given methamphetamines first. Taser shocks do not normally induce heart arrhythmias in reasonably healthy adults, but amphetamines in typical doses might make the heart more susceptible to electric shock-induced arrhythmia. People on high doses of amphetamines might easily go into a fatal arrhythmia after a moderate electric shock, so that study is being done to correlate amphetamine levels with susceptibility to shock-induced arrhythmias.

I hope a lot of sheep die because that might discourage future use of Tasers.

Govt run health care won’t result in more responsiveness for their clients, but it will result in more compliance to the rulers. The health plans will decide how much and what kind of pain medicines are available. they’ll decide if people who aren’t taking steps to ‘correct’ their issues (obesity, nicotine or alcohol addiction, etc) will get coverage. birth control will no longer be a private matter…

high school kids are already drug tested ‘just because’- these kids are growing up used to these routine intrusions. in a few years, they’ll be running our health care system.

people use VA as a safety net, because it’s not as good as private healthcare. you never hear about guards or wardens signing into the ‘state of the art’ clinics in prisons (which are many times staffed by poorly credentialed physicians and nurses). the powerful won’t get the same ‘state of the art’ healthcare most of us are going to be ‘entitled’ to, I’m sure.

Report: Military diagnosing personality disorders in troops as pre-existing so it can avoid paying benefits.

Would somebody please explain to me again how a government run health plan is more responsive to their clients than private plans?

This is bullshit. Makes my fucking blood boil. Right or wrong, these guys laid their lives on the line for us. They don’t deserve this shit. A lovely example of the banality of evil. Article should be required reading for anyone thinking of signing up.

However: how often have any of us seen Taser use that was said (outside of truly egregious incidents) to be in violation of agency policy, even when it violated common sense? Very few, I would imagine.

I can’t attest to the veracity of his claims one way or the other, but I can believe everything he says could be true. I do know that most field-grade officers are well versed in CYA, truth be damned. This looks like a case where the Sgt. probably should have practiced a little of his own CYA and turned the tables on them. Don’t sign, deal with the suck, and contact JAG. Document every screwup of those trying to burn him, and use it as leverage. if that sounds cold, so be it. I’ve seen it firsthand, and it works. It’s certainly the hard road, but being principled often is.

The sad fact is that many enlisted soldiers don’t know what recourse and actual power they have, and the “bad” officers count on this. Also, playing such beauraucratic games in a combat zone isn’t as easy as it is stateside.

It’s a shame such games have to be played when the real effort should be on fighting the war, finishing up, and getting both sides home and back to living in peace. War is a horrible thing, and I fear it is never going to go away. Needless wars are even worse…until war does end, the casualties will continue to mount.

I really hope this is sarcasim!

As for the DOJ….SSDPresident!

If Tasers are banned from law enforcement, more citizens will surely die.

I actually agree with Carl on this (kinda). IMO Tasers have created a culture of “Fuck it, just taser him.” Hey, it beats working. Without Tasers, the culture could quickly slide into “Fuck it, just shoot him.”

But there is still nothing superior about this line of thinking by LEOs, nor does it validate the claim of Tasers as non-lethal and their abundant use.

Tasers aren’t usually used instead of guns, they’re usually used instead of billy clubs.

A lot of old timers would say Tasers are used instead of talking.

The companies (sic) own people get tased in demos all the freaking time.

Careful with this line of thinking. I’ll gladly chug a pint of tequilla if it means you’ll buy $2 million worth of it, but that doesn’t make it health food.

Many best-practices are counter-intuitive to those outside a particular profession, which is why we have experts that really know how to test shit. For example, I guarantee you Taser didn’t test on the 75-year old receptionist who just had quad bypass nor on the 8-year old visiting for “take your daughter to work” day. The question isn’t “can a healthy, sober, and calm 25-year old take a shock?”

I don’t know Taser’s testing. I haven’t seen it, nor have I been able to find anyone who has seen it. So, there is a vaccuum into which people will fill with whatever suits them.

I am not against animal testing; however there are humane animal tests and horrific animal test (IMHO).

Better yet, I’ll bet anyone willing that Taser will indeed be proven to be lethal in some cases (aka: NOT non-lethal) within the next 15 years. The bet would be for whatever amount you want and the details can be hammered out later. Just be sure you can pay up. Chuck Norris is my collection agent.

As to Taser International. A controlled product test using animals. Where’s the problem, here? You would prefer they make unfounded claims?

I could be wrong but I think the point is that Tasers are marketed as non-lethal while they are still testing that premise.