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	<title>Comments on: New York Lawmaker Wants To Ban Salt</title>
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	<description>It rankles me when somebody tries to tell somebody what to do.</description>
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		<title>By: Bill</title>
		<link>http://www.theagitator.com/2010/03/11/new-york-lawmaker-wants-to-ban-salt/comment-page-1/#comment-390865</link>
		<dc:creator>Bill</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 13 Apr 2010 15:57:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Goiters anyone?</description>
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		<title>By: New York Legislator Felix Ortiz Urges Restaurant Salt Ban and Much, Much More: Wins Nanny State Lifetime Achievement Award &#171; Ex-Pat Ex-Lawyer</title>
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		<dc:creator>New York Legislator Felix Ortiz Urges Restaurant Salt Ban and Much, Much More: Wins Nanny State Lifetime Achievement Award &#171; Ex-Pat Ex-Lawyer</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 18 Mar 2010 19:42:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] legislative proposals ranges far beyond matters culinary.  Anti-nanny state American hero, Radley Balko, reports in exhaustive detail about Ortiz&#8217;s aim to control every aspect of American [...]</description>
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		<title>By: Tony from NY</title>
		<link>http://www.theagitator.com/2010/03/11/new-york-lawmaker-wants-to-ban-salt/comment-page-1/#comment-388056</link>
		<dc:creator>Tony from NY</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 16 Mar 2010 16:26:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Escape from LA here we come.

Stacy Keach&#039;s character: Cmdr. Malloy:
&quot;The United States is a non-smoking nation! No smoking, no drugs, no alcohol, no women - unless you&#039;re married - no foul language, no red meat!&quot;

To which Kurt Russell&#039;s Snake Plissken answers:
&quot;Land of the free.&quot; 

We should be able to make up our own minds or The land of the free is just a cruel joke. After all we are talking about table salt. This would be the final nail for the restaurants in NYC and I can see the rest of the the countries major cities saying, yea that&#039;s what you do and laugh themselves silly all the way to the bank!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Escape from LA here we come.</p>
<p>Stacy Keach&#8217;s character: Cmdr. Malloy:<br />
&#8220;The United States is a non-smoking nation! No smoking, no drugs, no alcohol, no women &#8211; unless you&#8217;re married &#8211; no foul language, no red meat!&#8221;</p>
<p>To which Kurt Russell&#8217;s Snake Plissken answers:<br />
&#8220;Land of the free.&#8221; </p>
<p>We should be able to make up our own minds or The land of the free is just a cruel joke. After all we are talking about table salt. This would be the final nail for the restaurants in NYC and I can see the rest of the the countries major cities saying, yea that&#8217;s what you do and laugh themselves silly all the way to the bank!</p>
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		<title>By: Cynical in CA</title>
		<link>http://www.theagitator.com/2010/03/11/new-york-lawmaker-wants-to-ban-salt/comment-page-1/#comment-387816</link>
		<dc:creator>Cynical in CA</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 12 Mar 2010 20:20:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Random, my first comment didn&#039;t go through.  Basically, I wrote that the State = Death and posted a link to anarchist Mike Gogulski&#039;s blogpost &quot;The Penalty is Always Death,&quot; at his blog NoState.  Check it out if you haven&#039;t already.  Logical perfection.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Random, my first comment didn&#8217;t go through.  Basically, I wrote that the State = Death and posted a link to anarchist Mike Gogulski&#8217;s blogpost &#8220;The Penalty is Always Death,&#8221; at his blog NoState.  Check it out if you haven&#8217;t already.  Logical perfection.</p>
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		<title>By: random guy</title>
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		<dc:creator>random guy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 12 Mar 2010 17:25:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>cynical,

Your comment exemplifies one of the realizations that led me to libertarianism. All laws are freedom-reducing acts, excepting those whose only purpose is to undo other laws. Each creates a new set of rules the state uses to justify the punishment of citizens. I realized at some point that since punishment is an implicit part of every new law, regardless of what legislators may claim, it becomes necessary to ensure that all laws prevent a greater degree of harm to society than the harm imposed by the punishment of the law itself. 

When modern laws are measured according to this principle, it is remarkable just how many fail this simple test. Then again maybe its unremarkable as this country has had 200+ years of unrestricted legislating with only 3 or 4 revolutionary acts interspersed. When in high school I wondered why the founding fathers made new legislation so hard to pass, now I fear they didn&#039;t make it hard enough.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>cynical,</p>
<p>Your comment exemplifies one of the realizations that led me to libertarianism. All laws are freedom-reducing acts, excepting those whose only purpose is to undo other laws. Each creates a new set of rules the state uses to justify the punishment of citizens. I realized at some point that since punishment is an implicit part of every new law, regardless of what legislators may claim, it becomes necessary to ensure that all laws prevent a greater degree of harm to society than the harm imposed by the punishment of the law itself. </p>
<p>When modern laws are measured according to this principle, it is remarkable just how many fail this simple test. Then again maybe its unremarkable as this country has had 200+ years of unrestricted legislating with only 3 or 4 revolutionary acts interspersed. When in high school I wondered why the founding fathers made new legislation so hard to pass, now I fear they didn&#8217;t make it hard enough.</p>
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		<title>By: fwb</title>
		<link>http://www.theagitator.com/2010/03/11/new-york-lawmaker-wants-to-ban-salt/comment-page-1/#comment-387743</link>
		<dc:creator>fwb</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 12 Mar 2010 16:57:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hispanics have an extensive history of the patron/padron system.  Of course, the padron is the &quot;father&quot; who tells EVERYONE what to do and when.

I&#039;ve lived with them and their attitude for most of my close to 60 years.  It is a problem from the bottom up because most want someone to decide FOR THEM.

Laws have replaced ethics and morality in this country.  And if it&#039;s not &quot;illegal&quot;, it must be ok to do!

Tiocfaidh ar la!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hispanics have an extensive history of the patron/padron system.  Of course, the padron is the &#8220;father&#8221; who tells EVERYONE what to do and when.</p>
<p>I&#8217;ve lived with them and their attitude for most of my close to 60 years.  It is a problem from the bottom up because most want someone to decide FOR THEM.</p>
<p>Laws have replaced ethics and morality in this country.  And if it&#8217;s not &#8220;illegal&#8221;, it must be ok to do!</p>
<p>Tiocfaidh ar la!</p>
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		<title>By: Cynical in CA</title>
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		<dc:creator>Cynical in CA</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 12 Mar 2010 16:34:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>If a legislator considers something to be a problem, then his only tool is to make a law.

This is unsurprising in the extreme, makes &quot;dog bites man&quot; look downright sensational.

It seems to me the problem lies in the code of the system.  My solution is to outlaw legislation.

I believe it was Radley who, the other day, wrote that if a law is overly broad, it practically invites a prosecutor to interpret it in an overly broad manner, leading to tyranny.

What could possibly be broader than the basic power to create law in the first place?  Is that not at the root of societal rot?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>If a legislator considers something to be a problem, then his only tool is to make a law.</p>
<p>This is unsurprising in the extreme, makes &#8220;dog bites man&#8221; look downright sensational.</p>
<p>It seems to me the problem lies in the code of the system.  My solution is to outlaw legislation.</p>
<p>I believe it was Radley who, the other day, wrote that if a law is overly broad, it practically invites a prosecutor to interpret it in an overly broad manner, leading to tyranny.</p>
<p>What could possibly be broader than the basic power to create law in the first place?  Is that not at the root of societal rot?</p>
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		<title>By: paranoiastrksdp</title>
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		<dc:creator>paranoiastrksdp</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 12 Mar 2010 15:57:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Salt tastes good for a reason - as others have said, you kind of need it to, you know, fucking LIVE.

Without salt, neurons do not transmit. Cells cannot power their ion pumps. Nature has selected on us to be a bunch of salt junkies because it&#039;s such an essential nutrient. This is the same reason sugars taste delicious as well. Your gustatory sense is quite literally a chemical detector. Salt in excess tends to taste bad - this is the body&#039;s way of telling you you&#039;re overdoing it. I trust my gustatory senses a lot more than I trust this Ortiz clown. Where&#039;d this guy get his degree in biology/medicine/nutrition again? The only people that need to really worry about salt intake are people with kidney disease. If anything New Yorkers, being inclined to use stimulants such as coffee  in their daily lives, should get more salt(s) in their diet, as well as more fluids.


Are there no more useful laws left to be written that these hacks have to resort to this silliness?? If this is what it&#039;s coming too, maybe we don&#039;t need elected bureaucrats anymore. I&#039;d say we&#039;ve got enough laws at this point.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Salt tastes good for a reason &#8211; as others have said, you kind of need it to, you know, fucking LIVE.</p>
<p>Without salt, neurons do not transmit. Cells cannot power their ion pumps. Nature has selected on us to be a bunch of salt junkies because it&#8217;s such an essential nutrient. This is the same reason sugars taste delicious as well. Your gustatory sense is quite literally a chemical detector. Salt in excess tends to taste bad &#8211; this is the body&#8217;s way of telling you you&#8217;re overdoing it. I trust my gustatory senses a lot more than I trust this Ortiz clown. Where&#8217;d this guy get his degree in biology/medicine/nutrition again? The only people that need to really worry about salt intake are people with kidney disease. If anything New Yorkers, being inclined to use stimulants such as coffee  in their daily lives, should get more salt(s) in their diet, as well as more fluids.</p>
<p>Are there no more useful laws left to be written that these hacks have to resort to this silliness?? If this is what it&#8217;s coming too, maybe we don&#8217;t need elected bureaucrats anymore. I&#8217;d say we&#8217;ve got enough laws at this point.</p>
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		<title>By: Andrew Williams</title>
		<link>http://www.theagitator.com/2010/03/11/new-york-lawmaker-wants-to-ban-salt/comment-page-1/#comment-387717</link>
		<dc:creator>Andrew Williams</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 12 Mar 2010 15:52:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>There were two peanuts walking down the street in New York City, and one was assaulted...peanut.
The other peanut said, &quot;Dude, you are definitely from out of town.&quot;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>There were two peanuts walking down the street in New York City, and one was assaulted&#8230;peanut.<br />
The other peanut said, &#8220;Dude, you are definitely from out of town.&#8221;</p>
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		<title>By: Leon Wolfeson</title>
		<link>http://www.theagitator.com/2010/03/11/new-york-lawmaker-wants-to-ban-salt/comment-page-1/#comment-387709</link>
		<dc:creator>Leon Wolfeson</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 12 Mar 2010 15:10:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>ARCraig - &quot;Routine Physicals&quot; is the issue, given how many Americans don&#039;t have them. A program in (but not necessarily run by) schools...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>ARCraig &#8211; &#8220;Routine Physicals&#8221; is the issue, given how many Americans don&#8217;t have them. A program in (but not necessarily run by) schools&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Spleen</title>
		<link>http://www.theagitator.com/2010/03/11/new-york-lawmaker-wants-to-ban-salt/comment-page-1/#comment-387699</link>
		<dc:creator>Spleen</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 12 Mar 2010 13:55:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Is that a $1000 fine &lt;i&gt;per grain?&lt;/i&gt;</description>
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		<title>By: M in Harlem</title>
		<link>http://www.theagitator.com/2010/03/11/new-york-lawmaker-wants-to-ban-salt/comment-page-1/#comment-387697</link>
		<dc:creator>M in Harlem</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 12 Mar 2010 13:12:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Focus on the NY State election laws, which make it virtually impossible to remove douchebags like Ortiz from office unless he&#039;s being dragged out in handcuffs.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Focus on the NY State election laws, which make it virtually impossible to remove douchebags like Ortiz from office unless he&#8217;s being dragged out in handcuffs.</p>
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		<title>By: roy</title>
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		<dc:creator>roy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 12 Mar 2010 04:32:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>People don&#039;t just sick for lack of salt, they can get dead.  It&#039;s a nutrient vital to life.  Think of Potassium: too much will kill you, especially in Texas.  Too little will kill you different.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>People don&#8217;t just sick for lack of salt, they can get dead.  It&#8217;s a nutrient vital to life.  Think of Potassium: too much will kill you, especially in Texas.  Too little will kill you different.</p>
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		<title>By: ARCraig</title>
		<link>http://www.theagitator.com/2010/03/11/new-york-lawmaker-wants-to-ban-salt/comment-page-1/#comment-387675</link>
		<dc:creator>ARCraig</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 12 Mar 2010 03:17:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Leon-
Getting checked for diabetes is fine. I&#039;m not objecting to that. I&#039;m saying it&#039;s not such a public health emergency that there should be universal annual testing done in public schools by the nurse. That&#039;s something that should be done, if recommended by a doctor, during routine physicals, none of which is the responsibility of the school board. They&#039;ve stuck their nose into way too many non-educational matters as it is.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Leon-<br />
Getting checked for diabetes is fine. I&#8217;m not objecting to that. I&#8217;m saying it&#8217;s not such a public health emergency that there should be universal annual testing done in public schools by the nurse. That&#8217;s something that should be done, if recommended by a doctor, during routine physicals, none of which is the responsibility of the school board. They&#8217;ve stuck their nose into way too many non-educational matters as it is.</p>
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		<title>By: Kristen</title>
		<link>http://www.theagitator.com/2010/03/11/new-york-lawmaker-wants-to-ban-salt/comment-page-1/#comment-387673</link>
		<dc:creator>Kristen</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 12 Mar 2010 02:05:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I MUST hear Tony Bourdain&#039;s comment on this.  I know he did a bit for reason tv about foie gras a while back.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I MUST hear Tony Bourdain&#8217;s comment on this.  I know he did a bit for reason tv about foie gras a while back.</p>
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		<title>By: Stephen</title>
		<link>http://www.theagitator.com/2010/03/11/new-york-lawmaker-wants-to-ban-salt/comment-page-1/#comment-387672</link>
		<dc:creator>Stephen</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 12 Mar 2010 01:54:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Perhaps he should volunteer to have all salt removed from his body.</description>
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		<title>By: Windy</title>
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		<dc:creator>Windy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 12 Mar 2010 01:51:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Salt in any form?  Potassium salt is a healthy alternative to table salt, doesn&#039;t cause any of the problems with some people that table salt does, but because it a form of salt he would ban it too?  Yes, absolutely an idiot.

Personally, I use Himalayan Crystal salt.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Salt in any form?  Potassium salt is a healthy alternative to table salt, doesn&#8217;t cause any of the problems with some people that table salt does, but because it a form of salt he would ban it too?  Yes, absolutely an idiot.</p>
<p>Personally, I use Himalayan Crystal salt.</p>
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		<title>By: Judas Peckerwood</title>
		<link>http://www.theagitator.com/2010/03/11/new-york-lawmaker-wants-to-ban-salt/comment-page-1/#comment-387667</link>
		<dc:creator>Judas Peckerwood</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 12 Mar 2010 00:02:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hey, cut Ortiz a break! The salt burns when his enemies sprinkle it on him.</description>
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		<title>By: Leon Wolfeson</title>
		<link>http://www.theagitator.com/2010/03/11/new-york-lawmaker-wants-to-ban-salt/comment-page-1/#comment-387665</link>
		<dc:creator>Leon Wolfeson</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 11 Mar 2010 23:52:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>ARCraig - The problem is that diagnosis &quot;eventually&quot; is often after a fair amount of damage has been done by blood sugar levels being all over the place. (Also, I wouldn&#039;t make assumptions about my level of medical training, if I were you, heh)

I&#039;m also quite aware it would be screening for type I, and I&#039;m unconcerned about the general public not understanding the difference between the types. In any case, it&#039;s one of the chronic conditions where screening every few years is a good idea - early management is important for developing a working treatment regime and preventing organ damage.

In addition, in some people there is a period before they start needing insulin which can be extended considerably if treatment is given - the drugs to do so are in late-stage trials. That&#039;s harder to do if you&#039;re waiting until the kid&#039;s brought to the doctor with chronic fatigue or has seizures on the playground when they skipped breakfast one day.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>ARCraig &#8211; The problem is that diagnosis &#8220;eventually&#8221; is often after a fair amount of damage has been done by blood sugar levels being all over the place. (Also, I wouldn&#8217;t make assumptions about my level of medical training, if I were you, heh)</p>
<p>I&#8217;m also quite aware it would be screening for type I, and I&#8217;m unconcerned about the general public not understanding the difference between the types. In any case, it&#8217;s one of the chronic conditions where screening every few years is a good idea &#8211; early management is important for developing a working treatment regime and preventing organ damage.</p>
<p>In addition, in some people there is a period before they start needing insulin which can be extended considerably if treatment is given &#8211; the drugs to do so are in late-stage trials. That&#8217;s harder to do if you&#8217;re waiting until the kid&#8217;s brought to the doctor with chronic fatigue or has seizures on the playground when they skipped breakfast one day.</p>
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		<title>By: B</title>
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		<dc:creator>B</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 11 Mar 2010 23:16:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>You know...I take pride in usually keeping my political commentary civilized, even in regard to those with whom I disagree.  So please keep that in mind when I say someone needs to punch Felix Ortiz in the dick.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You know&#8230;I take pride in usually keeping my political commentary civilized, even in regard to those with whom I disagree.  So please keep that in mind when I say someone needs to punch Felix Ortiz in the dick.</p>
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