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	<title>Comments on: Anthony Smelley Will Get His Money Back</title>
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	<description>It rankles me when somebody tries to tell somebody what to do.</description>
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		<title>By: MTX</title>
		<link>http://www.theagitator.com/2010/02/26/anthony-smelley-will-get-his-money-back/comment-page-1/#comment-386352</link>
		<dc:creator>MTX</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 27 Feb 2010 21:57:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;...we should be able to expect the police to follow the law as it stands today.&quot;

Personally, I don&#039;t &quot;expect&quot; it or WANT IT!  Like you said, these laws are repugnant to the oath which these criminals in costumes swore to uphold and to liberty itself.  

Politicians may go right ahead and continue to pass any law they wish, (which they already do).  When they finally pass the law where YOU have drawn YOUR line in the sand, do you think we should continue to expect them to enforce that law?  What I would expect than, as I hope for now, is for a nation of countrymen to treat these vermin like the highway robbers and murders they are.  Nothing more, so much less.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;&#8230;we should be able to expect the police to follow the law as it stands today.&#8221;</p>
<p>Personally, I don&#8217;t &#8220;expect&#8221; it or WANT IT!  Like you said, these laws are repugnant to the oath which these criminals in costumes swore to uphold and to liberty itself.  </p>
<p>Politicians may go right ahead and continue to pass any law they wish, (which they already do).  When they finally pass the law where YOU have drawn YOUR line in the sand, do you think we should continue to expect them to enforce that law?  What I would expect than, as I hope for now, is for a nation of countrymen to treat these vermin like the highway robbers and murders they are.  Nothing more, so much less.</p>
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		<title>By: Marc</title>
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		<dc:creator>Marc</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 27 Feb 2010 21:23:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;I have a c-note that says that cop won’t serve a day in jail.&quot;

Probably not, but just the fact he got unpaid leave must mean he doesn&#039;t have as many political connections as a typical cop, so it&#039;s possible he could actually get punished, I&#039;m hoping.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;I have a c-note that says that cop won’t serve a day in jail.&#8221;</p>
<p>Probably not, but just the fact he got unpaid leave must mean he doesn&#8217;t have as many political connections as a typical cop, so it&#8217;s possible he could actually get punished, I&#8217;m hoping.</p>
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		<title>By: Tim C</title>
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		<dc:creator>Tim C</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 27 Feb 2010 17:40:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;to reach the same outcome he should have been granted the moment the police failed to find any contraband in his car&quot; should read &quot;even IF they&#039;d found contraband in his car.&quot;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;to reach the same outcome he should have been granted the moment the police failed to find any contraband in his car&#8221; should read &#8220;even IF they&#8217;d found contraband in his car.&#8221;</p>
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		<title>By: Michael</title>
		<link>http://www.theagitator.com/2010/02/26/anthony-smelley-will-get-his-money-back/comment-page-1/#comment-386346</link>
		<dc:creator>Michael</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 27 Feb 2010 17:08:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The law is becoming irrelevant. Asset seizure is becoming an integral part of city government budgeting.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The law is becoming irrelevant. Asset seizure is becoming an integral part of city government budgeting.</p>
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		<title>By: perlhaqr</title>
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		<dc:creator>perlhaqr</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 27 Feb 2010 16:39:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>MTX: While repealing the repugnant laws against chemical contraband would be a wonderful thing, I think the point Radley was trying to make is that at the very least, we should be able to expect the police to follow the law as it stands today.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>MTX: While repealing the repugnant laws against chemical contraband would be a wonderful thing, I think the point Radley was trying to make is that at the very least, we should be able to expect the police to follow the law as it stands today.</p>
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		<title>By: Frank</title>
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		<dc:creator>Frank</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 27 Feb 2010 13:38:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>#7  I have a c-note that says that cop won&#039;t serve a day in jail.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>#7  I have a c-note that says that cop won&#8217;t serve a day in jail.</p>
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		<title>By: Frank</title>
		<link>http://www.theagitator.com/2010/02/26/anthony-smelley-will-get-his-money-back/comment-page-1/#comment-386338</link>
		<dc:creator>Frank</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 27 Feb 2010 13:37:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>This is why people build killdozers.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This is why people build killdozers.</p>
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		<title>By: MTX</title>
		<link>http://www.theagitator.com/2010/02/26/anthony-smelley-will-get-his-money-back/comment-page-1/#comment-386327</link>
		<dc:creator>MTX</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 27 Feb 2010 07:13:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>You said he should have got the money back &quot;...the moment the police failed to find any contraband in his car.&quot;

Why?  Is there something about the mere possession of personal property/contraband that you find illegal?  Does the mere possession of drugs harm anyone&#039;s freedom or liberty?  

I&#039;m sure we are on the same page here Radley, but by making that statement it appears your willingness to CHOOSE to settle for the &quot;proper&quot; application of the current unconstitutional laws when we should be pushing back.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You said he should have got the money back &#8220;&#8230;the moment the police failed to find any contraband in his car.&#8221;</p>
<p>Why?  Is there something about the mere possession of personal property/contraband that you find illegal?  Does the mere possession of drugs harm anyone&#8217;s freedom or liberty?  </p>
<p>I&#8217;m sure we are on the same page here Radley, but by making that statement it appears your willingness to CHOOSE to settle for the &#8220;proper&#8221; application of the current unconstitutional laws when we should be pushing back.</p>
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		<title>By: awp</title>
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		<dc:creator>awp</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 27 Feb 2010 06:05:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>What does &quot;positive drug signal by certified dog&quot; mean?  Who verifies that a signal happened?  Who verifies that a signal happened that wasn&#039;t in response to a signal from the officer?  Who verifies that a signal didn&#039;t happen because the dog just knows that it is expected to signal?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>What does &#8220;positive drug signal by certified dog&#8221; mean?  Who verifies that a signal happened?  Who verifies that a signal happened that wasn&#8217;t in response to a signal from the officer?  Who verifies that a signal didn&#8217;t happen because the dog just knows that it is expected to signal?</p>
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		<title>By: Michael</title>
		<link>http://www.theagitator.com/2010/02/26/anthony-smelley-will-get-his-money-back/comment-page-1/#comment-386317</link>
		<dc:creator>Michael</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 27 Feb 2010 04:01:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Anyone know where Gambill lives? I won&#039;t mind tossing some grass on his lawn and calling the DEA.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Anyone know where Gambill lives? I won&#8217;t mind tossing some grass on his lawn and calling the DEA.</p>
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		<title>By: Michael Chaney</title>
		<link>http://www.theagitator.com/2010/02/26/anthony-smelley-will-get-his-money-back/comment-page-1/#comment-386312</link>
		<dc:creator>Michael Chaney</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 27 Feb 2010 02:16:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Having just read the judgement, I will say I was hard on the judge and unfair.  He states unequivocally:

&lt;blockquote&gt;5. The Plaintiffs here are required to show by a preponderance of the evidence that the seized currency is the result of illegal narcotics, as alleged in their forfeiture complaint.   Ind. Code 34-24-1-1 et seq.

6.  That although there may be cases, especially when the amount of currency is extraordinary or is undoubtedly disproportionate to the means of the individual from whom seized, such that positive drug signal by certified dog plus large amount of currency meets the seizing authorities&#039; burden, such is not the case here.

7. That viewing the totality of the facts here, the Plaintiffs have failed to meet their burden of proving by a preponderance of the evidence that the seized currency was the result of criminal activity.&lt;/blockquote&gt;

He could (and should) have skipped #6.  He lays out elsewhere in the statement of facts that Smelley had demonstrably obtained the money as a settlement and withdrawn it from the bank prior to the stop.  That&#039;s &lt;em&gt;all&lt;/em&gt; that needed to be said.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Having just read the judgement, I will say I was hard on the judge and unfair.  He states unequivocally:</p>
<blockquote><p>5. The Plaintiffs here are required to show by a preponderance of the evidence that the seized currency is the result of illegal narcotics, as alleged in their forfeiture complaint.   Ind. Code 34-24-1-1 et seq.</p>
<p>6.  That although there may be cases, especially when the amount of currency is extraordinary or is undoubtedly disproportionate to the means of the individual from whom seized, such that positive drug signal by certified dog plus large amount of currency meets the seizing authorities&#8217; burden, such is not the case here.</p>
<p>7. That viewing the totality of the facts here, the Plaintiffs have failed to meet their burden of proving by a preponderance of the evidence that the seized currency was the result of criminal activity.</p></blockquote>
<p>He could (and should) have skipped #6.  He lays out elsewhere in the statement of facts that Smelley had demonstrably obtained the money as a settlement and withdrawn it from the bank prior to the stop.  That&#8217;s <em>all</em> that needed to be said.</p>
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		<title>By: Scott</title>
		<link>http://www.theagitator.com/2010/02/26/anthony-smelley-will-get-his-money-back/comment-page-1/#comment-386298</link>
		<dc:creator>Scott</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 26 Feb 2010 22:56:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>OK - I know nothing about law, but how is this over? Won&#039;t the county keep appealing until they win (or a higher court refuses to take the case)?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>OK &#8211; I know nothing about law, but how is this over? Won&#8217;t the county keep appealing until they win (or a higher court refuses to take the case)?</p>
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		<title>By: ZappaCrappa</title>
		<link>http://www.theagitator.com/2010/02/26/anthony-smelley-will-get-his-money-back/comment-page-1/#comment-386292</link>
		<dc:creator>ZappaCrappa</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 26 Feb 2010 22:12:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;Under Indiana law, Smelley will not be reimbursed for his time, interest on the money, court costs or attorney’s fees.&quot;

Well duh...otherwise it&#039;s just a lose lose proposition for the sate and we can&#039;t have that.  Seriously.  

And it&#039;s called &quot;justice&quot;....HA!  There&#039;s a laugh for you.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;Under Indiana law, Smelley will not be reimbursed for his time, interest on the money, court costs or attorney’s fees.&#8221;</p>
<p>Well duh&#8230;otherwise it&#8217;s just a lose lose proposition for the sate and we can&#8217;t have that.  Seriously.  </p>
<p>And it&#8217;s called &#8220;justice&#8221;&#8230;.HA!  There&#8217;s a laugh for you.</p>
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		<title>By: TC</title>
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		<dc:creator>TC</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 26 Feb 2010 20:26:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Lets see....  a guy with a gun steals 17K from you and convinces another member of the LE community tht you are the thief?

That used to be valid reason to shoot the bastard!  

Preaching to the choir here, but this is really about ethics, Screw the law, in this case there was no available laws protecting the LE folks.  

But lets see, we have GED cops, lawyers as judges, Ok it all makes sense now.  Niehter have any ethics.  

Move along folks, nothing to see here.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Lets see&#8230;.  a guy with a gun steals 17K from you and convinces another member of the LE community tht you are the thief?</p>
<p>That used to be valid reason to shoot the bastard!  </p>
<p>Preaching to the choir here, but this is really about ethics, Screw the law, in this case there was no available laws protecting the LE folks.  </p>
<p>But lets see, we have GED cops, lawyers as judges, Ok it all makes sense now.  Niehter have any ethics.  </p>
<p>Move along folks, nothing to see here.</p>
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		<title>By: BamBam</title>
		<link>http://www.theagitator.com/2010/02/26/anthony-smelley-will-get-his-money-back/comment-page-1/#comment-386275</link>
		<dc:creator>BamBam</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 26 Feb 2010 20:18:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>#10, just one more reason why the concept of a state should either be drastically rolled back or dismantled all together.  The power abuse careened out of control a long time ago.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>#10, just one more reason why the concept of a state should either be drastically rolled back or dismantled all together.  The power abuse careened out of control a long time ago.</p>
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		<title>By: Michael Chaney</title>
		<link>http://www.theagitator.com/2010/02/26/anthony-smelley-will-get-his-money-back/comment-page-1/#comment-386271</link>
		<dc:creator>Michael Chaney</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 26 Feb 2010 19:36:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt; But Polk also determined that because the police found no drugs in Smelley’s possession and because the county presented no other evidence of illegal activity, it is obligated to return Smelley’s money.&lt;/blockquote&gt;

Judge Polk might want to read up on the statute.  The &lt;em&gt;intent&lt;/em&gt; of forfeiture laws is to take away criminals&#039; ill-gotten gains.  Even if he had drugs in the car, it&#039;s immaterial.  The question is this: did this money come to him through an illegal transaction?  Merely possessing drugs doesn&#039;t suggest that unless he has a very large amount that clearly isn&#039;t for personal use.

Forfeiture is not intended to take away money in the presence of other illegal activity.  It&#039;s sad that the judge would even consider that, and says a lot about his, ahem, poor judgement.

As for Gambill, that piece of trash probably charges something for his time in addition to the cut of the filthy lucre.  Might want to file a FOIA request and find out.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p> But Polk also determined that because the police found no drugs in Smelley’s possession and because the county presented no other evidence of illegal activity, it is obligated to return Smelley’s money.</p></blockquote>
<p>Judge Polk might want to read up on the statute.  The <em>intent</em> of forfeiture laws is to take away criminals&#8217; ill-gotten gains.  Even if he had drugs in the car, it&#8217;s immaterial.  The question is this: did this money come to him through an illegal transaction?  Merely possessing drugs doesn&#8217;t suggest that unless he has a very large amount that clearly isn&#8217;t for personal use.</p>
<p>Forfeiture is not intended to take away money in the presence of other illegal activity.  It&#8217;s sad that the judge would even consider that, and says a lot about his, ahem, poor judgement.</p>
<p>As for Gambill, that piece of trash probably charges something for his time in addition to the cut of the filthy lucre.  Might want to file a FOIA request and find out.</p>
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		<title>By: SJE</title>
		<link>http://www.theagitator.com/2010/02/26/anthony-smelley-will-get-his-money-back/comment-page-1/#comment-386269</link>
		<dc:creator>SJE</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 26 Feb 2010 19:33:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I agree: the problem is that the state can bankrupt people through legal procedings.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I agree: the problem is that the state can bankrupt people through legal procedings.</p>
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		<title>By: BamBam</title>
		<link>http://www.theagitator.com/2010/02/26/anthony-smelley-will-get-his-money-back/comment-page-1/#comment-386267</link>
		<dc:creator>BamBam</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 26 Feb 2010 19:30:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>#7, apparently the judge is a comedian

“Today’s indictment is a reminder that everybody is the same in the eyes of the law,” said Rhode Island Attorney General Patrick Lynch. “Although police officers have a very difficult job, a police officer who allegedly breaks the law must be held accountable in the same way as any other person.&quot;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>#7, apparently the judge is a comedian</p>
<p>“Today’s indictment is a reminder that everybody is the same in the eyes of the law,” said Rhode Island Attorney General Patrick Lynch. “Although police officers have a very difficult job, a police officer who allegedly breaks the law must be held accountable in the same way as any other person.&#8221;</p>
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		<title>By: goober1223</title>
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		<dc:creator>goober1223</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 26 Feb 2010 19:26:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>That&#039;s what I never understand... People can drag you through the courts for months or years, but unless you file a separate suit, you don&#039;t get a settlement for all the time wasted. If somebody is found at fault, they should pay everything to make your life, at least easily converted to dollars, back to where you should be if the event never happened. That means money or time wasted should be compensated for. 

This hasn&#039;t happened to me, but I still find it despicable.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>That&#8217;s what I never understand&#8230; People can drag you through the courts for months or years, but unless you file a separate suit, you don&#8217;t get a settlement for all the time wasted. If somebody is found at fault, they should pay everything to make your life, at least easily converted to dollars, back to where you should be if the event never happened. That means money or time wasted should be compensated for. </p>
<p>This hasn&#8217;t happened to me, but I still find it despicable.</p>
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		<title>By: Marc</title>
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		<dc:creator>Marc</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 26 Feb 2010 19:02:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>More good news!  A police officer suspended WITHOUT pay!  A miracle!  http://www.wpri.com/dpp/target_12/providence-det-robert-decarlo-indicted-in-police-brutality-case

&quot;The video showed Mendonca being dragged when a detective – later identified in a complaint as DeCarlo -- walked up, kicked Mendonca and struck him several times with a flashlight.&quot;

Granted, he was on paid administrative duty for a while, but at least now he&#039;s without salary and may actually get convicted.  I can finally be proud of my state for something. :)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>More good news!  A police officer suspended WITHOUT pay!  A miracle!  <a href="http://www.wpri.com/dpp/target_12/providence-det-robert-decarlo-indicted-in-police-brutality-case" rel="nofollow">http://www.wpri.com/dpp/target_12/providence-det-robert-decarlo-indicted-in-police-brutality-case</a></p>
<p>&#8220;The video showed Mendonca being dragged when a detective – later identified in a complaint as DeCarlo &#8212; walked up, kicked Mendonca and struck him several times with a flashlight.&#8221;</p>
<p>Granted, he was on paid administrative duty for a while, but at least now he&#8217;s without salary and may actually get convicted.  I can finally be proud of my state for something. :)</p>
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