Obama. Taxes. Lies.

Saturday, February 13th, 2010

Obama, during the 2008 campaign:

“If you are a family making less than $ 250,000 a year……you will not see your taxes go up. Not your capital gains tax, not your payroll tax, not your income Tax, no taxes. Your taxes will not go up.”

Obama in an interview with Bloomberg this week:

President Barack Obama said he is “agnostic” about raising taxes on households making less than $250,000 as part of a broad effort to rein in the budget deficit.

Obama, in a Feb. 9 Oval Office interview, said that a presidential commission on the budget needs to consider all options for reducing the deficit, including tax increases and cuts in spending on entitlement programs such as Social Security and Medicare.

“The whole point of it is to make sure that all ideas are on the table,” the president said in the interview with Bloomberg BusinessWeek, which will appear on newsstands Friday. “So what I want to do is to be completely agnostic, in terms of solutions.”

He makes lying sound so reasonable, doesn’t he?


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72 Responses to “Obama. Taxes. Lies.”

  1. #1 |  Mattocracy | 

    #24 | bobzbob |

    Yeah, I’m really glad we have a president that is willing to do whatever he wants without regard to the moral wrongness of it. Thank god he isn’t tied to dogma, he might actually do the right thing every once in a while. Like actually bring the troops home. Like actually close Gitmo. Like end the DEA raids on legal marijuana operations. Like get rid of the Patriot Act. Like create a more transparent federal government. But lucky for us he isn’t tied to dogma so we can get taxed some more. Glad that was the overriding aspect of his personality that made you vote for him.

    Why do you come here and make statements that we tear apart?

  2. #2 |  Mattocracy | 

    To state that Stossel is the biggest liar in the media is rather dogmatic statement itself. Basically, Stossel holds opinions that you don’t agree with more often than not. That in itself doesn’t make him or anyone else a constant liar. Compare his style of reporting to that Hannity, O’Rielly, Nancy Grace, or Olberman. They flat out resort to ad hom attacks and tremendous mischaracterizations. That is what makes someone a shyster. I watch Stossel regularly and he does not resort to those tactics.

  3. #3 |  Steve Finlay | 

    Marc identifies the core of the problem: “it’s ultimately the fault of the idiotic electorate”. There is really no point blaming Obama, Bush, or any of the politicians. They simply cannot get elected without either saying things that are blatantly false on their face, or deliberately failing to mention the OTHER things that would be needed to make them true.

    For example, in order to make Obama’s promise to not raise taxes a reality, a government would have to reduce Social Security and Medicare payments, pull out of Iraq and Afghanistan, cancel farm subsidies, and end drug prohibition — and probably a few more things besides. Yet if this were your election platform, you would be treated as if you were stark raving mad. Meanwhile, Sarah Palin would be considered “serious”.

    This is not the politicians’ fault. This is the voters’ fault.

  4. #4 |  BamBam | 

    CA police detective calls for open fire on open carry people:

    http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,585807,00.html

    East Palo Alto Police Det. Rod Tuason apparently posted the remarks on his Facebook page in response to a friend’s status update

    “Haha we had one guy last week try to do it!” Tuason replied. “He got proned out [laid face-down on the ground] and reminded where he was at and that turds will jack him for his gun in a heartbeat!”

    “Sounds like you had someone practicing their 2nd amendment rights last night!”

    “Should’ve pulled the AR out and prone them all out! And if one of them makes a furtive movement … 2 weeks off!!!” — referring to the modified duty, commonly known as desk duty, that typically follows any instance in which an officer is investigated for firing his weapon.

    Of course the practice of shooting someone to get 2 weeks vacation while an “investigation” ensues is just this one bad apple’s attitude, right? Right?

  5. #5 |  Nathan W. | 

    @#50 Mark S.

    A campaign promise becomes a lie simply when the politician goes back on what they said. (I.E. No tax increase for people making under 250k then allowing that decision to be altered by someone else) If our president was unable or decided not to make sure that statement was honored then he should not have made it in the first place. As far as needing to know what “system used for determining fact from fiction” is concerned,listen to what our government says and then watch what they actually do. Period. Maybe you should go back and brush up on your copy of “Politics for dummies”.

  6. #6 |  John Wilburn | 

    #50 @Mark S

    First of all, when he was running for president (this falls into the category of “making promises one can’t keep”) he said;

    “If you are a family making less than $ 250,000 a year……you will not see your taxes go up. Not your capital gains tax, not your payroll tax, not your income Tax, no taxes. Your taxes will not go up.”

    The president has no control over the tax code; he can make suggestions and recommendations, but without the backing of a 2/3 majority of the folks in the puzzle palace, he has no say – Mr. Obama, being a Constitutional Scholar, is abundantly aware of this – the only reasonable conclusion to be drawn, is that he knew he was making a promise he couldn’t keep (lying in spirit), when he opened his mouth…

    (But it’s the kind of thing that gets votes from people who live in Never Land…)

    Then;

    “Obama, in a Feb. 9 Oval Office interview, said that a presidential commission on the budget needs to consider all options for reducing the deficit, including tax increases and cuts in spending on entitlement programs such as Social Security and Medicare.
    “The whole point of it is to make sure that all ideas are on the table,” the president said in the interview with Bloomberg BusinessWeek, which will appear on newsstands Friday. “So what I want to do is to be completely agnostic, in terms of solutions.””

    This shifts the responsibility for the change in policy from himself, to all the people who put “ideas” on the table – the “lie in fact” suddenly becomes academic…

    (He’s a very clever fellow – I hope you’re not in the market for a used car…)

  7. #7 |  Matt | 

    “This is not the politicians’ fault. This is the voters’ fault.”

    It’s both.

    Those in the government racket, on *both* sides of that infernal voting lever, seek control over the lives of their neighbors.

    *The* problem is a philosophical one, that will not be solved within the lifetime of anyone here.

  8. #8 |  David in Balt | 

    I am not sure what Stossel said about organic farming (can anyone provide a link please?) but organic farming is largely a sham anyway. For anyone interested I recommend checking out Skeptoid.com and search for “organic farming” or “locally grown” for more information.

  9. #9 |  J sub D | 

    Not to defend Pres. Obama but let’s dial down the ad hominem attacks until ACTUAL tax legislation is offered.

    Magnanimous guy that I am, I’ll go one step further and wait till Obama signs it. See you in August.

  10. #10 |  Ed Dunkle | 

    Obama is too scared of Republicans to raise taxes on rich people, so he’ll raise taxes on the poor instead. Meh.

  11. #11 |  bobzbob | 

    “Basically, Stossel holds opinions that you don’t agree with more often than not.”
    No, I agree with some of Stossel’s opinions. My problem is that he frequently makes things up and presents them as fact. For example, he said that tests show organic produce is more likely to be contaminated by E.Coli, when the tests he was referring to had never been done. (Fact is that tests show the opposite, because organic rules are more strict on the use of uncomposted manure.)

    ” Any more than one child makes the family a net financial drain on the community, to be subsidized by the rest of the population. Why is acknowledging this so controversial?” Except that over his lifetime that child will on average contribute 10 times the cost of his schooling, making him a net financial asset to the community.

  12. #12 |  Boyd Durkin | 

    Bring on the crash! Floor it, Thelma!

  13. #13 |  Boyd Durkin | 

    Karl,

    Did not know there where so many worldclass economist on here.

    I’m here. Just ask questions and I’ll do my best to learn you. I’ll even use small words and analogies.

  14. #14 |  Boyd Durkin | 

    <blockquote?
    The fact is that in 2008 the depth and length of the current recession could not be forseen.

    Except me, Ron Paul, Peter Schiff, Jim Rogers, several thousand other economists and investors, and absolutely every single person who has studied Austrian all saw it coming. So, except for us, you’re right, BobZbob.

    Peter Schiff has been predicting recessions every year for the last 10.

    ROFLMAO! bobzbob is the guy building his house on a 10 year flood plain and complaining his house washed away. “You guys can never can predict exactly what month the flood will come!” This is sure way of identifying someone who knows absolutely nothing of value about investing or economics. Oh, bobzbob knows “something”, just nothing of value.

    What time is Cramer on?

  15. #15 |  Psion | 

    With regard to Stossel’s screwup on the organic produce, it was my understanding that he was told the tests had been done by the spot’s producer and that he later apologized for the mistake. In all the years this man has been reporting, he’s made a handful of mistakes. It’s ridiculous to toss out all the rest of his work based on them.

  16. #16 |  David in Balt | 

    @ Whoever gave my comment a negative, how about actually responding as to why you disagree with the fact that organic farming is sh!t instead of just giving it a negative and running away. Aware that your unscientific, unpractical leftist pet-project is a phony?

  17. #17 |  Andrew Williams | 

    Imagine if Bush had been half as good at BS’ing half the country…oh, wait….

  18. #18 |  flukebucket | 

    May the same happen to Obomer. Time to kick him to the curb.

    Run Sarah Run!

  19. #19 |  Cynical in CA | 

    Wow. So much debate about whether politicians are liars.

    It’s like having to reinvent the wheel every goddamn time.

    There’s no use arguing with crazy people who think politicians don’t lie.

    Obama was a liar years before this story came out, dummies.

  20. #20 |  Chris | 

    Apparently taxes have already gone up. Check out the increases in the 2010 withholding taxes.

    Lower wage earners that are filing as married will be impacted the most.

    http://bit.ly/90FN8N

  21. #21 |  Jerry | 

    I’m ashamed i voted for Obama, i wrote to the whitehouse 3 timesw, never got a answer, i got change alright, had to file for bankruptcy, and they foreclosed on our home of 31 years, Thank you Mr. Obama for the change.

  22. #22 |  Jerry | 

    I got change alright, they foreclosed on our home of 31 years, Thank you Mr Obama for the change, plus you never answered my emails i sent to the whitehouse. The bankruptcy judge told me your help programs are just heresay!! Boy was he right.