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	<description>It rankles me when somebody tries to tell somebody what to do.</description>
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		<title>By: Tanzit</title>
		<link>http://www.theagitator.com/2010/02/12/morning-links-313/comment-page-2/#comment-384810</link>
		<dc:creator>Tanzit</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 13 Feb 2010 17:05:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@ #52

Budding industry?

Do you know how easy it would be to make a pocket faraday cage ( http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Faraday_cage )?

Hell, just make a tin foil hat for your iPhone and you&#039;re good to go.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@ #52</p>
<p>Budding industry?</p>
<p>Do you know how easy it would be to make a pocket faraday cage ( <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Faraday_cage" rel="nofollow">http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Faraday_cage</a> )?</p>
<p>Hell, just make a tin foil hat for your iPhone and you&#8217;re good to go.</p>
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		<title>By: the friendly grizzly</title>
		<link>http://www.theagitator.com/2010/02/12/morning-links-313/comment-page-2/#comment-384773</link>
		<dc:creator>the friendly grizzly</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 13 Feb 2010 13:56:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I see a budding industry for cell phone shield bags. They&#039;d be useful for people who do not want to be removing and reinstalling the battery all the time (danger of shorting the contacts on a battery, wearing out the battery door, etc).</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I see a budding industry for cell phone shield bags. They&#8217;d be useful for people who do not want to be removing and reinstalling the battery all the time (danger of shorting the contacts on a battery, wearing out the battery door, etc).</p>
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		<title>By: PersonFromPorlock</title>
		<link>http://www.theagitator.com/2010/02/12/morning-links-313/comment-page-2/#comment-384751</link>
		<dc:creator>PersonFromPorlock</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 13 Feb 2010 05:33:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;#21 &#124;   J sub D &#124;  February 12th, 2010 at 2:06 pm

You actually think the citizens will be able to avail themselves of the technology?

That’s so cute.&lt;/blockquote&gt;

I&#039;m shocked, shocked! that you have so little faith in our betters.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>#21 |   J sub D |  February 12th, 2010 at 2:06 pm</p>
<p>You actually think the citizens will be able to avail themselves of the technology?</p>
<p>That’s so cute.</p></blockquote>
<p>I&#8217;m shocked, shocked! that you have so little faith in our betters.</p>
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		<title>By: Marty</title>
		<link>http://www.theagitator.com/2010/02/12/morning-links-313/comment-page-1/#comment-384735</link>
		<dc:creator>Marty</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 13 Feb 2010 00:01:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>#47 &#124;  Jim Collins
&#039;So Michigan dumps it’s elderly prisoners to avoid paying their medical expenses for problems caused by aging...&#039;

It&#039;s a nationwide problem. HMO&#039;s such as CMS run the prisons healthcare. It&#039;s not uncommon for CMS to request that wardens release sick prisoners, so they avoid the expense of surgeries, chemo, etc. Once the prisoner recovers, the medical parole is revoked and they&#039;re back in the joint. 

Google &#039;CMS prison death&#039; for a horrifying education on government-controlled health care...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>#47 |  Jim Collins<br />
&#8216;So Michigan dumps it’s elderly prisoners to avoid paying their medical expenses for problems caused by aging&#8230;&#8217;</p>
<p>It&#8217;s a nationwide problem. HMO&#8217;s such as CMS run the prisons healthcare. It&#8217;s not uncommon for CMS to request that wardens release sick prisoners, so they avoid the expense of surgeries, chemo, etc. Once the prisoner recovers, the medical parole is revoked and they&#8217;re back in the joint. </p>
<p>Google &#8216;CMS prison death&#8217; for a horrifying education on government-controlled health care&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: supercat</title>
		<link>http://www.theagitator.com/2010/02/12/morning-links-313/comment-page-1/#comment-384730</link>
		<dc:creator>supercat</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 12 Feb 2010 23:22:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>//To some extent, the government is right in that you do not have an expectation of privacy in your location when you walk down a public street or drive on a highway. You may not even have a privacy interest in whether or not you are entering your home!//

Whether or not one has a privacy interest when one is going out and about in public in such fashion as to be visible to anyone nearby, one does have a privacy interest if one chooses to travel in such fashion as to be obscured from outside view (which is perfectly legal), or if one is traveling within an area of private property (such as a farm or corporate campus).  Arbitrarily collecting info on people&#039;s whereabouts would imply wanton disregard for whether or not those people were exercising any privacy interest in that information.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>//To some extent, the government is right in that you do not have an expectation of privacy in your location when you walk down a public street or drive on a highway. You may not even have a privacy interest in whether or not you are entering your home!//</p>
<p>Whether or not one has a privacy interest when one is going out and about in public in such fashion as to be visible to anyone nearby, one does have a privacy interest if one chooses to travel in such fashion as to be obscured from outside view (which is perfectly legal), or if one is traveling within an area of private property (such as a farm or corporate campus).  Arbitrarily collecting info on people&#8217;s whereabouts would imply wanton disregard for whether or not those people were exercising any privacy interest in that information.</p>
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		<title>By: Marty</title>
		<link>http://www.theagitator.com/2010/02/12/morning-links-313/comment-page-1/#comment-384715</link>
		<dc:creator>Marty</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 12 Feb 2010 21:47:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;ve always been attracted to the idea of a class of citizen immune to prosecution (besides the govt!)... I hadn&#039;t really considered the elderly. What I had in mind was the hospice community... There could be a Hospice Assassination Service. Participants could take someone with them when they go and make the world a better place. The payment would take care of their funerals, maybe make things a little easier on their families, strike fear into corrupt govt officials...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;ve always been attracted to the idea of a class of citizen immune to prosecution (besides the govt!)&#8230; I hadn&#8217;t really considered the elderly. What I had in mind was the hospice community&#8230; There could be a Hospice Assassination Service. Participants could take someone with them when they go and make the world a better place. The payment would take care of their funerals, maybe make things a little easier on their families, strike fear into corrupt govt officials&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Jim Collins</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jim Collins</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 12 Feb 2010 21:33:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>So Michigan dumps it&#039;s elderly prisoners to avoid paying their medical expenses for problems caused by aging.  I wonder if taking care of their Medicaid paperwork was part of their release proceedures?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>So Michigan dumps it&#8217;s elderly prisoners to avoid paying their medical expenses for problems caused by aging.  I wonder if taking care of their Medicaid paperwork was part of their release proceedures?</p>
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		<title>By: Nick</title>
		<link>http://www.theagitator.com/2010/02/12/morning-links-313/comment-page-1/#comment-384709</link>
		<dc:creator>Nick</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 12 Feb 2010 21:24:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>If a customer is informed when they sign up for a service that the service provider may share data with the government without a warrant then it&#039;s not a 4th amendment issue. But, &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.lewrockwell.com/blog/lewrw/archives/50140.html&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;as David Kramer pointed out on the LRC blog&lt;/a&gt;...

&lt;blockquote&gt;&lt;em&gt;Notice how the Department of Injustice’s sharks get around the Fourth Amendment by saying that the phone company’s own records are obviously not the customer’s and, therefore, the phone company can do what it wants with them. Technically, they’re right. My question is this: If I started a phone company and made agreements with my customers that their phone records would be confidential and could not be released to any entity without the their permission, how long do you think it would be before the government tried to shut down my company if I didn’t comply with their request for any of my customers’ records? (Of course, since I would need a government license to even start my company, you can see how easy it would be for the government to pull my license if I didn’t “cooperate” with them.)

More glaring proof that we’re now in the 2nd year of a third term of the Bush Administration.&lt;/em&gt;&lt;/blockquote&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>If a customer is informed when they sign up for a service that the service provider may share data with the government without a warrant then it&#8217;s not a 4th amendment issue. But, <a href="http://www.lewrockwell.com/blog/lewrw/archives/50140.html" rel="nofollow">as David Kramer pointed out on the LRC blog</a>&#8230;</p>
<blockquote><p><em>Notice how the Department of Injustice’s sharks get around the Fourth Amendment by saying that the phone company’s own records are obviously not the customer’s and, therefore, the phone company can do what it wants with them. Technically, they’re right. My question is this: If I started a phone company and made agreements with my customers that their phone records would be confidential and could not be released to any entity without the their permission, how long do you think it would be before the government tried to shut down my company if I didn’t comply with their request for any of my customers’ records? (Of course, since I would need a government license to even start my company, you can see how easy it would be for the government to pull my license if I didn’t “cooperate” with them.)</p>
<p>More glaring proof that we’re now in the 2nd year of a third term of the Bush Administration.</em></p></blockquote>
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		<title>By: Aresen</title>
		<link>http://www.theagitator.com/2010/02/12/morning-links-313/comment-page-1/#comment-384708</link>
		<dc:creator>Aresen</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 12 Feb 2010 21:20:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;
&#124;  Boyd Durkin &#124;  February 12th, 2010 at 4:00 pm 
&lt;blockquote&gt;
if there’s no expectation of privacy for us then there’s none for government officials… 
&lt;/blockquote&gt;
On Bizzaro World maybe, but here we know there is a different set of rules for our government overlords. Try to remember your place.
&lt;/blockquote&gt;

Actually, I have come to believe that we are living in &#039;Bizarro World&#039;. We left the sane, normal one behind a few pieces of kryptonite ago.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>
|  Boyd Durkin |  February 12th, 2010 at 4:00 pm </p>
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if there’s no expectation of privacy for us then there’s none for government officials…
</p></blockquote>
<p>On Bizzaro World maybe, but here we know there is a different set of rules for our government overlords. Try to remember your place.
</p></blockquote>
<p>Actually, I have come to believe that we are living in &#8216;Bizarro World&#8217;. We left the sane, normal one behind a few pieces of kryptonite ago.</p>
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		<title>By: Dave Krueger</title>
		<link>http://www.theagitator.com/2010/02/12/morning-links-313/comment-page-1/#comment-384697</link>
		<dc:creator>Dave Krueger</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 12 Feb 2010 20:52:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;#41    Boyd Durkin

&lt;blockquote&gt;If national security trumps citizen rights… &lt;/blockquote&gt;

I’d argue that is a nation that should cease to exist. &lt;/blockquote&gt;

I&#039;m not ready to argue a blanket statement like that.  For example, we surrender some 4th Amendment rights when we permit ourselves to be scanned for weapons or bombs before entering a government building such as a courthouse.  Does the government not have the right to demand that?  

Of course, we also permit ourselves to be scanned for weapons when we board an airplane full of people, but the answer there would be to get the government out of the transportation business and leave the searches up to the airline.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>#41    Boyd Durkin</p>
<blockquote><p>If national security trumps citizen rights… </p></blockquote>
<p>I’d argue that is a nation that should cease to exist. </p></blockquote>
<p>I&#8217;m not ready to argue a blanket statement like that.  For example, we surrender some 4th Amendment rights when we permit ourselves to be scanned for weapons or bombs before entering a government building such as a courthouse.  Does the government not have the right to demand that?  </p>
<p>Of course, we also permit ourselves to be scanned for weapons when we board an airplane full of people, but the answer there would be to get the government out of the transportation business and leave the searches up to the airline.</p>
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		<title>By: Johnny Longtorso</title>
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		<dc:creator>Johnny Longtorso</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 12 Feb 2010 20:42:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>RE: the alcohol blog:

http://www.moderndrunkardmagazine.com/</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>RE: the alcohol blog:</p>
<p><a href="http://www.moderndrunkardmagazine.com/" rel="nofollow">http://www.moderndrunkardmagazine.com/</a></p>
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		<title>By: MikeZ</title>
		<link>http://www.theagitator.com/2010/02/12/morning-links-313/comment-page-1/#comment-384693</link>
		<dc:creator>MikeZ</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 12 Feb 2010 20:36:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;Follow the votes and you’ll see what can (and cannot) be cut. You were thinking too much like a leader and not a politician.&quot;

Wasn&#039;t the whole premise of the article though that the Michigan Governor was finally doing the right thing specifically because as a lame duck she didn&#039;t care about the votes :)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;Follow the votes and you’ll see what can (and cannot) be cut. You were thinking too much like a leader and not a politician.&#8221;</p>
<p>Wasn&#8217;t the whole premise of the article though that the Michigan Governor was finally doing the right thing specifically because as a lame duck she didn&#8217;t care about the votes :)</p>
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		<title>By: Boyd Durkin</title>
		<link>http://www.theagitator.com/2010/02/12/morning-links-313/comment-page-1/#comment-384692</link>
		<dc:creator>Boyd Durkin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 12 Feb 2010 20:11:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;
If national security trumps citizen rights...
&lt;/blockquote&gt;

I&#039;d argue that is a nation that should cease to exist.  In other words, they are securing a nation not worth securing.  However; with apologies to Abe Lincoln I believe today&#039;s state would gladly put every citizen to death if it meant securing the state.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>
If national security trumps citizen rights&#8230;
</p></blockquote>
<p>I&#8217;d argue that is a nation that should cease to exist.  In other words, they are securing a nation not worth securing.  However; with apologies to Abe Lincoln I believe today&#8217;s state would gladly put every citizen to death if it meant securing the state.</p>
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		<title>By: Boyd Durkin</title>
		<link>http://www.theagitator.com/2010/02/12/morning-links-313/comment-page-1/#comment-384691</link>
		<dc:creator>Boyd Durkin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 12 Feb 2010 20:07:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;Michigan can’t cut its welfare budgets, cut its education budget or even just release all non-violent drug offenders instead of commuting elderly murderers?
&lt;/blockquote&gt;

Follow the votes and you&#039;ll see what can (and cannot) be cut.  You were thinking too much like a leader and not a politician.

Elderly murderers of peasants don&#039;t count to politicians that much.  Make no mistake no cop or government official killer will be released.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>Michigan can’t cut its welfare budgets, cut its education budget or even just release all non-violent drug offenders instead of commuting elderly murderers?
</p></blockquote>
<p>Follow the votes and you&#8217;ll see what can (and cannot) be cut.  You were thinking too much like a leader and not a politician.</p>
<p>Elderly murderers of peasants don&#8217;t count to politicians that much.  Make no mistake no cop or government official killer will be released.</p>
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		<title>By: Boyd Durkin</title>
		<link>http://www.theagitator.com/2010/02/12/morning-links-313/comment-page-1/#comment-384690</link>
		<dc:creator>Boyd Durkin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 12 Feb 2010 20:00:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt; if there’s no expectation of privacy for us then there’s none for government officials...
&lt;/blockquote&gt;

On Bizzaro World maybe, but here we know there is a different set of rules for our government overlords.  Try to remember your place.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p> if there’s no expectation of privacy for us then there’s none for government officials&#8230;
</p></blockquote>
<p>On Bizzaro World maybe, but here we know there is a different set of rules for our government overlords.  Try to remember your place.</p>
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		<title>By: Let's Be Free</title>
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		<dc:creator>Let's Be Free</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 12 Feb 2010 19:46:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>In the old days at the University of Wisconsin Ralphie sent hot babes around for the purposes of soliticitation, cash for PIRG&#039;s that is.  It was fun to play hard to get.  Now, not only is UW confiscating the funds, they&#039;re taking away the pleasure of it.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In the old days at the University of Wisconsin Ralphie sent hot babes around for the purposes of soliticitation, cash for PIRG&#8217;s that is.  It was fun to play hard to get.  Now, not only is UW confiscating the funds, they&#8217;re taking away the pleasure of it.</p>
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		<title>By: SJE</title>
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		<dc:creator>SJE</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 12 Feb 2010 19:45:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>#30  &quot;I doubt it’s worth the effort still&quot;  If the governor has to go through all sorts of vetting, asking how will this make me look, etc etc, yes its a lot of money.  

It doesnt have to be that way.  The governor could ask: is this an old person, do they seem like they are no longer violent, do they have somewhere to go, etc, and just sign the papers.   You could do thousands.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>#30  &#8220;I doubt it’s worth the effort still&#8221;  If the governor has to go through all sorts of vetting, asking how will this make me look, etc etc, yes its a lot of money.  </p>
<p>It doesnt have to be that way.  The governor could ask: is this an old person, do they seem like they are no longer violent, do they have somewhere to go, etc, and just sign the papers.   You could do thousands.</p>
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		<title>By: Mattocracy</title>
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		<dc:creator>Mattocracy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 12 Feb 2010 19:35:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>#22 &#124;  Dave Krueger &#124; 
&quot;For a country that already imprisons more of its population than any other country, we sure are enthusiastic when it comes to inventing new reasons to lock people up. And this in a country that calls itself “the land of the free”.

#27 &#124;  witless chum &#124; 
&quot;We also call ourselves the home of the brave and wet our collective pants about terrorists.&quot;


Big time thumbs up for you two.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>#22 |  Dave Krueger |<br />
&#8220;For a country that already imprisons more of its population than any other country, we sure are enthusiastic when it comes to inventing new reasons to lock people up. And this in a country that calls itself “the land of the free”.</p>
<p>#27 |  witless chum |<br />
&#8220;We also call ourselves the home of the brave and wet our collective pants about terrorists.&#8221;</p>
<p>Big time thumbs up for you two.</p>
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		<title>By: Noel St. John</title>
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		<dc:creator>Noel St. John</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 12 Feb 2010 19:10:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thanks again, Radley!  I must say that after your initial post, my views went stratospheric.  For anyone interested, Snowlapse 2010 Part II is also on Youtube, and I&#039;m working on Snowlapse III:  The Melt Off.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks again, Radley!  I must say that after your initial post, my views went stratospheric.  For anyone interested, Snowlapse 2010 Part II is also on Youtube, and I&#8217;m working on Snowlapse III:  The Melt Off.</p>
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		<title>By: whomever</title>
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		<dc:creator>whomever</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 12 Feb 2010 18:54:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;m not sure of the legalities here, but if the objective is to provide cheap/federally subsidized hospice care for murderers, why doesn&#039;t the state open an elder care facility called &#039;Graybar Manors&#039;. Since the residents are bedridden and don&#039;t need guards, etc, it should be financially competitive with any other elder care place. If I am the guardian for an elderly relative, I can pick their home, right? So the state just decides to send elderly prisoners to Graybar Manors, which has facility rules suitable for convicts, even if the guard towers and barbed wire aren&#039;t needed.

Then the only extra cost would be picking up the tab for elderly murderers who have loving families able to provide for them without any subsidies. I expect that is a pretty small set of people.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m not sure of the legalities here, but if the objective is to provide cheap/federally subsidized hospice care for murderers, why doesn&#8217;t the state open an elder care facility called &#8216;Graybar Manors&#8217;. Since the residents are bedridden and don&#8217;t need guards, etc, it should be financially competitive with any other elder care place. If I am the guardian for an elderly relative, I can pick their home, right? So the state just decides to send elderly prisoners to Graybar Manors, which has facility rules suitable for convicts, even if the guard towers and barbed wire aren&#8217;t needed.</p>
<p>Then the only extra cost would be picking up the tab for elderly murderers who have loving families able to provide for them without any subsidies. I expect that is a pretty small set of people.</p>
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