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	<description>It rankles me when somebody tries to tell somebody what to do.</description>
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		<title>By: Guido</title>
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		<dc:creator>Guido</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 12 Feb 2010 02:13:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@ #27 &#124;  Cynical in CA

I&#039;m in LA and motorists here are hostile toward pedestrians. There are a few intersections I use nearly everyday where I see people make a right turns into the crosswalk(with the walk signal lit) fully knowing pedestrians are stepping into the street. A few days ago a saw a woman with a toddler and a young child crossing an intersection. I saw not 1 but 3 cars nearly hit them while making a left turn. These fools couldn&#039;t bother to wait those extra 6 seconds till they made it to the curb. One of the cars had to swerve into the opposing lane to avoid them. He saw them but wouldn&#039;t wait. I shudder to think what would have happened if the little child let go of mom&#039;s hand.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@ #27 |  Cynical in CA</p>
<p>I&#8217;m in LA and motorists here are hostile toward pedestrians. There are a few intersections I use nearly everyday where I see people make a right turns into the crosswalk(with the walk signal lit) fully knowing pedestrians are stepping into the street. A few days ago a saw a woman with a toddler and a young child crossing an intersection. I saw not 1 but 3 cars nearly hit them while making a left turn. These fools couldn&#8217;t bother to wait those extra 6 seconds till they made it to the curb. One of the cars had to swerve into the opposing lane to avoid them. He saw them but wouldn&#8217;t wait. I shudder to think what would have happened if the little child let go of mom&#8217;s hand.</p>
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		<title>By: fwb</title>
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		<dc:creator>fwb</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 11 Feb 2010 17:13:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>A&amp;E produced a drug law video a number of years ago. In it, they showed that the antimarijuana laws were forced on the states by the fed in order to allow for the deportation of Mexicans along the border during the great depression.  These mexicans used pot as a poor man&#039;s tobacco and the feds wanted an out to reduce competition for jobs.

And the laws still do not comport with our Constitution.  If the 18th was necessary, where are the other amendments?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>A&amp;E produced a drug law video a number of years ago. In it, they showed that the antimarijuana laws were forced on the states by the fed in order to allow for the deportation of Mexicans along the border during the great depression.  These mexicans used pot as a poor man&#8217;s tobacco and the feds wanted an out to reduce competition for jobs.</p>
<p>And the laws still do not comport with our Constitution.  If the 18th was necessary, where are the other amendments?</p>
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		<title>By: Michael Chaney</title>
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		<dc:creator>Michael Chaney</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 11 Feb 2010 14:59:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;The cops don’t actually have to be anywhere near the crosswalk. They just pull the guy over and say, “Hey buddy, you almost hit that guy in the crosswalk!”

Then when the guy stupidly points out there wasn’t anyone in the crosswalk, the cop says, “Hey! Are you resisting arrest? How would you like to meet Mr Taser?” By that time all the other cops have joined in because they smelled the potential for an opportunity to pummel some little person into jello.&lt;/blockquote&gt;

Normally, Dave, I&#039;m with you.  But in this case, you might want to read the article.  First there was a guy at the crosswalk.  Second, they gave 75% of those pulled over a warning, meaning they weren&#039;t doing this for revenue enhancement.  Third, nobody got beat up that we know of.

We read a lot of bad cop stories here, this isn&#039;t one of them.  I refuse to slander these officers given what we know about them.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>The cops don’t actually have to be anywhere near the crosswalk. They just pull the guy over and say, “Hey buddy, you almost hit that guy in the crosswalk!”</p>
<p>Then when the guy stupidly points out there wasn’t anyone in the crosswalk, the cop says, “Hey! Are you resisting arrest? How would you like to meet Mr Taser?” By that time all the other cops have joined in because they smelled the potential for an opportunity to pummel some little person into jello.</p></blockquote>
<p>Normally, Dave, I&#8217;m with you.  But in this case, you might want to read the article.  First there was a guy at the crosswalk.  Second, they gave 75% of those pulled over a warning, meaning they weren&#8217;t doing this for revenue enhancement.  Third, nobody got beat up that we know of.</p>
<p>We read a lot of bad cop stories here, this isn&#8217;t one of them.  I refuse to slander these officers given what we know about them.</p>
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		<title>By: Andrew Williams</title>
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		<dc:creator>Andrew Williams</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 11 Feb 2010 11:39:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Matt LaBash? Really? The same Matt LaBash (what an apropos handle) who thought Gitmo was just keen and regularly made fun of marijuana legalization protestors while giving the back of his hand to our legitimate grievances?

AFAIC, you can stick him in a cyclotron and set it on &quot;deep fry.&quot;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Matt LaBash? Really? The same Matt LaBash (what an apropos handle) who thought Gitmo was just keen and regularly made fun of marijuana legalization protestors while giving the back of his hand to our legitimate grievances?</p>
<p>AFAIC, you can stick him in a cyclotron and set it on &#8220;deep fry.&#8221;</p>
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		<title>By: Dave Krueger</title>
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		<dc:creator>Dave Krueger</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 11 Feb 2010 11:25:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;#40    RM 

Is it just me or was your website down (as in domain name expired)?&lt;/blockquote&gt;

I was getting that from work almost all day yesterday, but when I got home, the site came up fine.  Nice to know it wasn&#039;t just me.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>#40    RM </p>
<p>Is it just me or was your website down (as in domain name expired)?</p></blockquote>
<p>I was getting that from work almost all day yesterday, but when I got home, the site came up fine.  Nice to know it wasn&#8217;t just me.</p>
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		<title>By: RM</title>
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		<dc:creator>RM</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 11 Feb 2010 07:04:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Is it just me or was your website down (as in domain name expired)?</description>
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		<title>By: Dave Krueger</title>
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		<dc:creator>Dave Krueger</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 11 Feb 2010 04:55:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The cops don&#039;t actually have to be anywhere near the crosswalk.  They just pull the guy over and say, &quot;Hey buddy, you almost hit that guy in the crosswalk!&quot;

Then when the guy stupidly points out there wasn&#039;t anyone in the crosswalk, the cop says, &quot;Hey!  Are you resisting arrest?  How would you like to meet Mr Taser?&quot;  By that time all the other cops have joined in because they smelled the potential for an opportunity to pummel some little person into jello.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The cops don&#8217;t actually have to be anywhere near the crosswalk.  They just pull the guy over and say, &#8220;Hey buddy, you almost hit that guy in the crosswalk!&#8221;</p>
<p>Then when the guy stupidly points out there wasn&#8217;t anyone in the crosswalk, the cop says, &#8220;Hey!  Are you resisting arrest?  How would you like to meet Mr Taser?&#8221;  By that time all the other cops have joined in because they smelled the potential for an opportunity to pummel some little person into jello.</p>
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		<title>By: Dan</title>
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		<dc:creator>Dan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 11 Feb 2010 04:51:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Radley, I don&#039;t see contact information, so hopefully you can notice this, or someone else here who knows how to contact him can get it.

There seems to be another case of prosecutorial misconduct in Texas, or maybe sheriff abuse. The Winkler County nurses are facing 10 years in jail for reporting a doctor to the medical board, as they are supposed to do.

IANAL but it seems like pretty blatant abuse. Maybe you can lend your eye.

http://www.nytimes.com/2010/02/07/us/07nurses.html

http://www.texasnurses.org/displaycommon.cfm?an=1&amp;subarticlenbr=509

http://scienceblogs.com/insolence/2010/02/report_a_bad_doctor_to_the_authorities_g.php</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Radley, I don&#8217;t see contact information, so hopefully you can notice this, or someone else here who knows how to contact him can get it.</p>
<p>There seems to be another case of prosecutorial misconduct in Texas, or maybe sheriff abuse. The Winkler County nurses are facing 10 years in jail for reporting a doctor to the medical board, as they are supposed to do.</p>
<p>IANAL but it seems like pretty blatant abuse. Maybe you can lend your eye.</p>
<p><a href="http://www.nytimes.com/2010/02/07/us/07nurses.html" rel="nofollow">http://www.nytimes.com/2010/02/07/us/07nurses.html</a></p>
<p><a href="http://www.texasnurses.org/displaycommon.cfm?an=1&#038;subarticlenbr=509" rel="nofollow">http://www.texasnurses.org/displaycommon.cfm?an=1&#038;subarticlenbr=509</a></p>
<p><a href="http://scienceblogs.com/insolence/2010/02/report_a_bad_doctor_to_the_authorities_g.php" rel="nofollow">http://scienceblogs.com/insolence/2010/02/report_a_bad_doctor_to_the_authorities_g.php</a></p>
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		<title>By: Windypundit</title>
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		<dc:creator>Windypundit</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 11 Feb 2010 02:46:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Cops around here hate the crosswalk stings. The bait cop has to walk out into the street when traffic is coming. If he stops just a few feet from the curb and watches cars approach, he looks just like any sensible pedestrian who is waiting for traffic to pass. Even very safe drivers will take that as permission to drive right by. They don&#039;t deserve tickets.

Or, the cop could walk out into the street in front of an oncoming car and hope he doesn&#039;t stop...but doesn&#039;t hit the cop either. Do that every day for a year and you&#039;ll have another police funeral to attend.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Cops around here hate the crosswalk stings. The bait cop has to walk out into the street when traffic is coming. If he stops just a few feet from the curb and watches cars approach, he looks just like any sensible pedestrian who is waiting for traffic to pass. Even very safe drivers will take that as permission to drive right by. They don&#8217;t deserve tickets.</p>
<p>Or, the cop could walk out into the street in front of an oncoming car and hope he doesn&#8217;t stop&#8230;but doesn&#8217;t hit the cop either. Do that every day for a year and you&#8217;ll have another police funeral to attend.</p>
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		<title>By: Tim C</title>
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		<dc:creator>Tim C</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 11 Feb 2010 01:44:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>#31 &quot;Depending on the timing of things it would be very tough to distinguish entrapment from a valid stop. &quot;

Yep, I checked CA law on crosswalks.  To their credit, the law states that pedestrians can&#039;t be unreasonable (e.g, jump right out in front of car where it&#039;s too late for car to avoid them).  But, as usual, there&#039;s tremendous leeway for the cop...for instance, I thought the law was dumb enough to require you to wait for ped even if they&#039;re on the opposite side of the street, but actually it specifically says you simply have to wait till it&#039;s obvious that the ped is out of danger.  I can see how easy this would be to fight if you had to take it to court, since usually cop&#039;s version of what&#039;s dangerous is pretty far off from mine (and yes, I&#039;m very respectful of right of way, particular that of peds).</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>#31 &#8220;Depending on the timing of things it would be very tough to distinguish entrapment from a valid stop. &#8221;</p>
<p>Yep, I checked CA law on crosswalks.  To their credit, the law states that pedestrians can&#8217;t be unreasonable (e.g, jump right out in front of car where it&#8217;s too late for car to avoid them).  But, as usual, there&#8217;s tremendous leeway for the cop&#8230;for instance, I thought the law was dumb enough to require you to wait for ped even if they&#8217;re on the opposite side of the street, but actually it specifically says you simply have to wait till it&#8217;s obvious that the ped is out of danger.  I can see how easy this would be to fight if you had to take it to court, since usually cop&#8217;s version of what&#8217;s dangerous is pretty far off from mine (and yes, I&#8217;m very respectful of right of way, particular that of peds).</p>
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		<title>By: Frank</title>
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		<dc:creator>Frank</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 11 Feb 2010 01:30:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>You missed the other TSA story:

The college student that was jacked up by TSA FBI and the Philadelphia police for Arabic flash cards is suing all of them.

http://www.philly.com/philly/news/20100210_Daniel_Rubin__TSA_suspicious_of_an_interest_in_the_world.html

Hopefully some cop families will be kicked to the curb naked in a blinding snowstorm after the award foreclosures.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You missed the other TSA story:</p>
<p>The college student that was jacked up by TSA FBI and the Philadelphia police for Arabic flash cards is suing all of them.</p>
<p><a href="http://www.philly.com/philly/news/20100210_Daniel_Rubin__TSA_suspicious_of_an_interest_in_the_world.html" rel="nofollow">http://www.philly.com/philly/news/20100210_Daniel_Rubin__TSA_suspicious_of_an_interest_in_the_world.html</a></p>
<p>Hopefully some cop families will be kicked to the curb naked in a blinding snowstorm after the award foreclosures.</p>
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		<title>By: Tim</title>
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		<dc:creator>Tim</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 11 Feb 2010 00:55:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>This third-hand smoke thing is super-ridiculous. The &quot;problem&quot; is tobacco-specific nitrosamines, not nicotine. Nicotine is not a nitrosamine, so this should have &lt;i&gt;absolutely nothing&lt;/i&gt; to do with e-cigs which deliver pure nicotine and have no tobacco or even any smoke.

Also, charring a steak vaporizes its own nitrosamines. Rationally speaking, policy involving tobacco-poisoned walls, shouldn&#039;t even be considered until we&#039;ve banned the cooking of meat. That&#039;d be interesting to see...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This third-hand smoke thing is super-ridiculous. The &#8220;problem&#8221; is tobacco-specific nitrosamines, not nicotine. Nicotine is not a nitrosamine, so this should have <i>absolutely nothing</i> to do with e-cigs which deliver pure nicotine and have no tobacco or even any smoke.</p>
<p>Also, charring a steak vaporizes its own nitrosamines. Rationally speaking, policy involving tobacco-poisoned walls, shouldn&#8217;t even be considered until we&#8217;ve banned the cooking of meat. That&#8217;d be interesting to see&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Dave Krueger</title>
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		<dc:creator>Dave Krueger</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 11 Feb 2010 00:35:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;m not a big fan of stings for big crimes, much less traffic offenses.  They&#039;re popular because they are an easy and cost effective way to generate arrest statistics (or tickets in this case).   They have almost become the sole enforcement strategy for almost all consensual &quot;crimes&quot;.  But, they also create a crime that might not have happened if they hadn&#039;t induced it to happen.

Once a technique becomes accepted, cops will usually abuse it.  Stings are just one form of the deceit and trickery they use to entice someone into doing something that is ultimately going to hurt them.  That&#039;s not serving and protecting.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m not a big fan of stings for big crimes, much less traffic offenses.  They&#8217;re popular because they are an easy and cost effective way to generate arrest statistics (or tickets in this case).   They have almost become the sole enforcement strategy for almost all consensual &#8220;crimes&#8221;.  But, they also create a crime that might not have happened if they hadn&#8217;t induced it to happen.</p>
<p>Once a technique becomes accepted, cops will usually abuse it.  Stings are just one form of the deceit and trickery they use to entice someone into doing something that is ultimately going to hurt them.  That&#8217;s not serving and protecting.</p>
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		<title>By: Marty</title>
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		<dc:creator>Marty</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 11 Feb 2010 00:32:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>they need to ban the old &#039;death race&#039; videos, because they glorify running over pedestrians...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>they need to ban the old &#8216;death race&#8217; videos, because they glorify running over pedestrians&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: MikeZ</title>
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		<dc:creator>MikeZ</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 10 Feb 2010 23:33:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>That said this particular article seems like it was probably a valid operation.  The sting by my office seemed very strange/shady.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>That said this particular article seems like it was probably a valid operation.  The sting by my office seemed very strange/shady.</p>
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		<title>By: MikeZ</title>
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		<dc:creator>MikeZ</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 10 Feb 2010 23:32:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>They actually had crosswalk stings in the town I used to work (Westboro MA).  In theory I think these are a good idea althrough I think it could VERY easily be abused.  

As a driver what are you supposed todo if somebody is standing on the sidewalk next to a crosswalk?  When exactly should the undercover officer put his foot into the road?  In the stings I witnessed the undercover officer was waiting on the sidewalk until a car started coming.  This particular crosswalk did NOT have a crossing light and was not at an intersection.  So the only way you know you need to stop is if a pedestrian has his foot in the road or perhaps if you see him walking towards the crosswalk.   Depending on the timing of things it would be very tough to distinguish entrapment from a valid stop.  

Now an undercover cop sitting on a bench watching a busy crosswalk seems like a good idea.  A cop putting his toe on the road the moment a car comes by is clearly not.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>They actually had crosswalk stings in the town I used to work (Westboro MA).  In theory I think these are a good idea althrough I think it could VERY easily be abused.  </p>
<p>As a driver what are you supposed todo if somebody is standing on the sidewalk next to a crosswalk?  When exactly should the undercover officer put his foot into the road?  In the stings I witnessed the undercover officer was waiting on the sidewalk until a car started coming.  This particular crosswalk did NOT have a crossing light and was not at an intersection.  So the only way you know you need to stop is if a pedestrian has his foot in the road or perhaps if you see him walking towards the crosswalk.   Depending on the timing of things it would be very tough to distinguish entrapment from a valid stop.  </p>
<p>Now an undercover cop sitting on a bench watching a busy crosswalk seems like a good idea.  A cop putting his toe on the road the moment a car comes by is clearly not.</p>
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		<title>By: Matt</title>
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		<dc:creator>Matt</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 10 Feb 2010 22:56:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I miss the hierarchy of traffic that was present when I lived in Europe. Cars would go out of their way to stop if you want to cross the street. Even bicyclists would. I had some close calls when I came back to the states, forgot that people don&#039;t stop here!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I miss the hierarchy of traffic that was present when I lived in Europe. Cars would go out of their way to stop if you want to cross the street. Even bicyclists would. I had some close calls when I came back to the states, forgot that people don&#8217;t stop here!</p>
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		<title>By: scott</title>
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		<dc:creator>scott</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 10 Feb 2010 22:41:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Not only am I not opposed to the cross-walk sting (and I&#039;d be equally supportive of a &quot;Driving Too Slow In The Left-Hand Lane&quot; sting, too) but I find it remarkable that the cops apparently behaved so admirably.  While my parochialism means I suspect the few tickets they issued were done when drivers got lippy, the fact that they handed out pamphlets and verbal warnings instead of using the stops as a pretense for additional &quot;training&quot; with the K-9s and Tasers almost makes me want to applaud them.

But then I remember all the shitty things cops do that Radley reports here and I realize that the profession has a long way to go before I&#039;ll give them any sincere kudos.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Not only am I not opposed to the cross-walk sting (and I&#8217;d be equally supportive of a &#8220;Driving Too Slow In The Left-Hand Lane&#8221; sting, too) but I find it remarkable that the cops apparently behaved so admirably.  While my parochialism means I suspect the few tickets they issued were done when drivers got lippy, the fact that they handed out pamphlets and verbal warnings instead of using the stops as a pretense for additional &#8220;training&#8221; with the K-9s and Tasers almost makes me want to applaud them.</p>
<p>But then I remember all the shitty things cops do that Radley reports here and I realize that the profession has a long way to go before I&#8217;ll give them any sincere kudos.</p>
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		<title>By: KitterCat</title>
		<link>http://www.theagitator.com/2010/02/10/snowy-lunch-links/comment-page-1/#comment-384479</link>
		<dc:creator>KitterCat</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 10 Feb 2010 22:25:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I use to actually live in CoosBay, way back in 01.  The town could be categorized as being the definition of Mayberry.  Very small, very laid back, very little actual crime.  One of the big niceties that I remember is that drivers actually stopped for pedestrians and would even waive to people crossing. Crosswalks btw were everywhere. Being as its such a small town I can see the officers targeting the few crimes they do have, which I don’t have a problem with. Given what’s in the article about them letting most people leave with a warning and even writing up pedestrians up as well one cant say their even favoring one side or the other.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I use to actually live in CoosBay, way back in 01.  The town could be categorized as being the definition of Mayberry.  Very small, very laid back, very little actual crime.  One of the big niceties that I remember is that drivers actually stopped for pedestrians and would even waive to people crossing. Crosswalks btw were everywhere. Being as its such a small town I can see the officers targeting the few crimes they do have, which I don’t have a problem with. Given what’s in the article about them letting most people leave with a warning and even writing up pedestrians up as well one cant say their even favoring one side or the other.</p>
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		<title>By: Cynical in CA</title>
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		<dc:creator>Cynical in CA</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 10 Feb 2010 22:20:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;Police in Coos Bay, Oregon conduct crosswalk sting using an “undercover” pedestrian. (Thanks to the great Dave Krueger for the link.)&quot;

This is not uncommon.  SoCal cities do the same thing.  Pedestrian courtesy is huge in SoCal, as any resident would attest.  It&#039;s actually so universally observed by drivers that I&#039;m surprise the popos still do it here.  Most chaotic city I ever saw regarding peds vs. cars is Boston.  Pure anarchy.  Well, it&#039;s Boston -- what did you expect.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;Police in Coos Bay, Oregon conduct crosswalk sting using an “undercover” pedestrian. (Thanks to the great Dave Krueger for the link.)&#8221;</p>
<p>This is not uncommon.  SoCal cities do the same thing.  Pedestrian courtesy is huge in SoCal, as any resident would attest.  It&#8217;s actually so universally observed by drivers that I&#8217;m surprise the popos still do it here.  Most chaotic city I ever saw regarding peds vs. cars is Boston.  Pure anarchy.  Well, it&#8217;s Boston &#8212; what did you expect.</p>
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