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	<description>It rankles me when somebody tries to tell somebody what to do.</description>
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		<title>By: Dr x</title>
		<link>http://www.theagitator.com/2010/01/29/ruining-kids-in-order-to-save-them-ctd/comment-page-2/#comment-383332</link>
		<dc:creator>Dr x</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 01 Feb 2010 19:22:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hey, at least their names are being withheld to protect them.  They are, after all, only children.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hey, at least their names are being withheld to protect them.  They are, after all, only children.</p>
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		<title>By: Ben</title>
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		<dc:creator>Ben</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 01 Feb 2010 12:04:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>You know, these comments amuse the hell out of me. I have to wonder how many of you would fight for the right of your 14 year old daughter to have sex with a 17 year old boy?

Because that&#039;s what this all boils down to. It all about adults forgetting what it was like to be an adolescent. And wanting power over anyone they can. 

And people are too afraid to do anything about it, which is a symptom of being told to fear everything. 

I believe that in my lifetime this country will fall.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You know, these comments amuse the hell out of me. I have to wonder how many of you would fight for the right of your 14 year old daughter to have sex with a 17 year old boy?</p>
<p>Because that&#8217;s what this all boils down to. It all about adults forgetting what it was like to be an adolescent. And wanting power over anyone they can. </p>
<p>And people are too afraid to do anything about it, which is a symptom of being told to fear everything. </p>
<p>I believe that in my lifetime this country will fall.</p>
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		<title>By: Dr X</title>
		<link>http://www.theagitator.com/2010/01/29/ruining-kids-in-order-to-save-them-ctd/comment-page-2/#comment-383250</link>
		<dc:creator>Dr X</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 01 Feb 2010 02:34:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Illinois House Bill 2537 is sponsored by Springfield bottom feeder LaShawn Ford, a Jesuit High School trustee behind a bill to provide public funds to private religious schools and churches (not for teaching religions but for labs and auditoriums secular things, of course) and she was the sponsor of the &#039;mandatory moment of silence&#039; in schools bill.

House Bill 2537 criminalizes the uploading of nude images or video of another person without their consent and with the intent to harm their reputation.  So if some drunk adult flashes in bar, and you upload a photo or video without their permission, you could be arrested.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Illinois House Bill 2537 is sponsored by Springfield bottom feeder LaShawn Ford, a Jesuit High School trustee behind a bill to provide public funds to private religious schools and churches (not for teaching religions but for labs and auditoriums secular things, of course) and she was the sponsor of the &#8216;mandatory moment of silence&#8217; in schools bill.</p>
<p>House Bill 2537 criminalizes the uploading of nude images or video of another person without their consent and with the intent to harm their reputation.  So if some drunk adult flashes in bar, and you upload a photo or video without their permission, you could be arrested.</p>
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		<title>By: Homeboy</title>
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		<dc:creator>Homeboy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 01 Feb 2010 00:53:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@ #61 Michael

&quot;Sorry about being acerbic. How much more acerbic could one be than bambam (sorry #32 dave) calling the cop “brilliant” then going on to make such statements that appear to not represent what was said in the article? I like your your response, though. It makes us look real intelligent when we use big words, doesn’t it? Your response, almost, feels like condescension.&quot;

How much more acerbic could one be?  I will refer you to your posts #32 and #61 as exemplars.  As for the &quot;big[ness]&quot; of words, I would point out that &quot;condescension&quot; contains 13 letters, making it &quot;big[ger]&quot; than any I previously used.  Beyond this, I find it very telling that you would find any of the terms in my post to merit any comment.  We &quot;real intelligent&quot; people use such terms without any second thought or even the slightest bit of self-consciousness, and it simply never occurs to us that another might find them at all stilted or otherwise remarkable.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@ #61 Michael</p>
<p>&#8220;Sorry about being acerbic. How much more acerbic could one be than bambam (sorry #32 dave) calling the cop “brilliant” then going on to make such statements that appear to not represent what was said in the article? I like your your response, though. It makes us look real intelligent when we use big words, doesn’t it? Your response, almost, feels like condescension.&#8221;</p>
<p>How much more acerbic could one be?  I will refer you to your posts #32 and #61 as exemplars.  As for the &#8220;big[ness]&#8221; of words, I would point out that &#8220;condescension&#8221; contains 13 letters, making it &#8220;big[ger]&#8221; than any I previously used.  Beyond this, I find it very telling that you would find any of the terms in my post to merit any comment.  We &#8220;real intelligent&#8221; people use such terms without any second thought or even the slightest bit of self-consciousness, and it simply never occurs to us that another might find them at all stilted or otherwise remarkable.</p>
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		<title>By: Michael</title>
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		<dc:creator>Michael</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 31 Jan 2010 16:06:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>#58

Sorry about being acerbic.  How much more acerbic could one be than  bambam (sorry #32 dave) calling the cop &quot;brilliant&quot; then going on to make such statements that appear to not represent what was said in the article?  I like your your response, though. It makes us look real intelligent when we use big words, doesn&#039;t it?  Your response, almost, feels like condescension.

This was far from the BART incident!  Why even compare the two?</description>
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<p>Sorry about being acerbic.  How much more acerbic could one be than  bambam (sorry #32 dave) calling the cop &#8220;brilliant&#8221; then going on to make such statements that appear to not represent what was said in the article?  I like your your response, though. It makes us look real intelligent when we use big words, doesn&#8217;t it?  Your response, almost, feels like condescension.</p>
<p>This was far from the BART incident!  Why even compare the two?</p>
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		<title>By: Stephen</title>
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		<dc:creator>Stephen</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 31 Jan 2010 10:58:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Off topic:

Police beat man to death at sobriety checkpoint. He was a passenger.

http://www.cnn.com/video/#/video/crime/2010/01/30/ma.police.beating.death.cnn?hpt=T2</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Off topic:</p>
<p>Police beat man to death at sobriety checkpoint. He was a passenger.</p>
<p><a href="http://www.cnn.com/video/#/video/crime/2010/01/30/ma.police.beating.death.cnn?hpt=T2" rel="nofollow">http://www.cnn.com/video/#/video/crime/2010/01/30/ma.police.beating.death.cnn?hpt=T2</a></p>
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		<title>By: Bob Weber</title>
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		<dc:creator>Bob Weber</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 31 Jan 2010 05:39:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>#13 &#124;   Carl Bussjaeger:

In a similar vein, the Feds can now charge you with doing things outside the United States which do not violate the local laws but are illegal in the U.S.

They can also charge you with doing things that are not illegal in the U.S. but violate foreign laws.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>#13 |   Carl Bussjaeger:</p>
<p>In a similar vein, the Feds can now charge you with doing things outside the United States which do not violate the local laws but are illegal in the U.S.</p>
<p>They can also charge you with doing things that are not illegal in the U.S. but violate foreign laws.</p>
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		<title>By: Homeboy</title>
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		<dc:creator>Homeboy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 31 Jan 2010 01:08:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Michael #32:

I think your tone is a bit too acerbic here.  I don&#039;t find BamBam to be making an attack on the officer involved, snide or otherwise.  I believe BamBam was merely voicing his frustration with the non-rebuttable presumption and non-falsifiable hypothesis that cops are always to be hailed as heroes, no matter what they may do.  Regardless of whether cops are corrupt, vicious, venal, abusive, incompetent, or (as in this case) all too fallibly human, it is demanded that we mere plebes revere them as heroic icons.  I object to this as strongly as BamBam does, even though my heart does go out to this obviously well-intentioned officer.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Michael #32:</p>
<p>I think your tone is a bit too acerbic here.  I don&#8217;t find BamBam to be making an attack on the officer involved, snide or otherwise.  I believe BamBam was merely voicing his frustration with the non-rebuttable presumption and non-falsifiable hypothesis that cops are always to be hailed as heroes, no matter what they may do.  Regardless of whether cops are corrupt, vicious, venal, abusive, incompetent, or (as in this case) all too fallibly human, it is demanded that we mere plebes revere them as heroic icons.  I object to this as strongly as BamBam does, even though my heart does go out to this obviously well-intentioned officer.</p>
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		<title>By: Cynical in CA</title>
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		<dc:creator>Cynical in CA</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 30 Jan 2010 23:10:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The most curious aspect of the sad tale of the self-immolating suicidal schlamazel and the schlamiel cop who emptied the canister of pepper spray on him is that this was one of the only conceivable situations where emptying a canister of pepper spray on someone was absolutely harmless.

Riddle me this: if one is ablaze, how could it possibly increase one&#039;s pain to be doused with pepper spray?

Interestingly, if the pepper spray were an accelerant, her actions would have been more merciful than if she had used a fire extinguisher.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The most curious aspect of the sad tale of the self-immolating suicidal schlamazel and the schlamiel cop who emptied the canister of pepper spray on him is that this was one of the only conceivable situations where emptying a canister of pepper spray on someone was absolutely harmless.</p>
<p>Riddle me this: if one is ablaze, how could it possibly increase one&#8217;s pain to be doused with pepper spray?</p>
<p>Interestingly, if the pepper spray were an accelerant, her actions would have been more merciful than if she had used a fire extinguisher.</p>
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		<title>By: Charlie O</title>
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		<dc:creator>Charlie O</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 30 Jan 2010 22:19:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Interesting to note, that if these kids had actually undressed in front of each other, that wouldn&#039;t be a crime. Only because it a PICTURE, then suddenly they are pervs and need to be taught a lesson. Oh yeah, and don&#039;t forget that ruin their lives thing.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Interesting to note, that if these kids had actually undressed in front of each other, that wouldn&#8217;t be a crime. Only because it a PICTURE, then suddenly they are pervs and need to be taught a lesson. Oh yeah, and don&#8217;t forget that ruin their lives thing.</p>
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		<title>By: Leon Wolfeson</title>
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		<dc:creator>Leon Wolfeson</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 30 Jan 2010 20:40:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Dave - That&#039;s what happens when there isn&#039;t a good definition of the &quot;public interest&quot;. You don&#039;t hear about sexting cases (or, for that matter, charged being brought when two fifteen year olds have consensual sex) in the UK, because it&#039;s NOT in the public interest to bring charges.

(If it was a teacher and and a kid, sure, different story...)

The police here certainly have &quot;expressed concern&quot;, about sexting...in the context of bullying.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Dave &#8211; That&#8217;s what happens when there isn&#8217;t a good definition of the &#8220;public interest&#8221;. You don&#8217;t hear about sexting cases (or, for that matter, charged being brought when two fifteen year olds have consensual sex) in the UK, because it&#8217;s NOT in the public interest to bring charges.</p>
<p>(If it was a teacher and and a kid, sure, different story&#8230;)</p>
<p>The police here certainly have &#8220;expressed concern&#8221;, about sexting&#8230;in the context of bullying.</p>
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		<title>By: Homeboy</title>
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		<dc:creator>Homeboy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 30 Jan 2010 19:01:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@ #38 &#124;   SusanK &#124;

&quot;How sleazy – the school interrogates the kids with cop “standing by as a safety agent” so he gets to listen in to the kids’ confession. That would give them probable cause for a search warrant for the phones, so it doesn’t matter that the parents consented to the search.
Please, teach your children: don’t talk to cops, don’t talk to anyone when they are around.&quot;

I could not agree with you more.  A colleague of mine has developed quite a nifty little rhyme to drum that very point home to his clients: &quot;Don&#039;t talk to the Man, or it&#039;s your butt in the Can!&quot;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@ #38 |   SusanK |</p>
<p>&#8220;How sleazy – the school interrogates the kids with cop “standing by as a safety agent” so he gets to listen in to the kids’ confession. That would give them probable cause for a search warrant for the phones, so it doesn’t matter that the parents consented to the search.<br />
Please, teach your children: don’t talk to cops, don’t talk to anyone when they are around.&#8221;</p>
<p>I could not agree with you more.  A colleague of mine has developed quite a nifty little rhyme to drum that very point home to his clients: &#8220;Don&#8217;t talk to the Man, or it&#8217;s your butt in the Can!&#8221;</p>
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		<title>By: Michael</title>
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		<dc:creator>Michael</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 30 Jan 2010 18:25:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>#32

I am not a cop, never been one.  And, I think there is a new police state, with  much of the witnessed behavior on the Internet.  

But, I believe that cops are not trained firemen.  Firemen might make a mistake like this, under a similar situation.  The people admitted a mistake was made.  I was not under the impression that they were denying anything.  Accuracy, would be much more appreciated.  

Your snide comment was obviously pointing out, either your ignorance, or the fact that you don&#039;t give a damn that an honest mistake was made. Did you see the picture of the canister?  It looks just like a fire extinguisher. Good thing it was not something flammable.  These types of mistakes are addressed in hospitals every day!. They are constantly changing labels and locations of certain medications to try to keep us from making any, human, mistakes.  

I believe in pointing out intentional police misbehavior, when it occurs.  This is not the case, here.  It was damn honest mistake.  Why abuse one of the victims of the mistake?  I am sure I would have felt great if I did something like that to a person on fire!  

Do you demand perfection?  I know that I am not perfect.  Neither was the cop!  I can forgive the mistake.

And, as a doctor, I was sometimes heralded as a hero.  We are not! Just like the policeman and firemen, we are just doing the job we have been trained to do.  I don&#039;t see it as a fault of the policeman that his/her superior though the actions were heroic.  Fact is, there are not that many, true, heroes out there!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>#32</p>
<p>I am not a cop, never been one.  And, I think there is a new police state, with  much of the witnessed behavior on the Internet.  </p>
<p>But, I believe that cops are not trained firemen.  Firemen might make a mistake like this, under a similar situation.  The people admitted a mistake was made.  I was not under the impression that they were denying anything.  Accuracy, would be much more appreciated.  </p>
<p>Your snide comment was obviously pointing out, either your ignorance, or the fact that you don&#8217;t give a damn that an honest mistake was made. Did you see the picture of the canister?  It looks just like a fire extinguisher. Good thing it was not something flammable.  These types of mistakes are addressed in hospitals every day!. They are constantly changing labels and locations of certain medications to try to keep us from making any, human, mistakes.  </p>
<p>I believe in pointing out intentional police misbehavior, when it occurs.  This is not the case, here.  It was damn honest mistake.  Why abuse one of the victims of the mistake?  I am sure I would have felt great if I did something like that to a person on fire!  </p>
<p>Do you demand perfection?  I know that I am not perfect.  Neither was the cop!  I can forgive the mistake.</p>
<p>And, as a doctor, I was sometimes heralded as a hero.  We are not! Just like the policeman and firemen, we are just doing the job we have been trained to do.  I don&#8217;t see it as a fault of the policeman that his/her superior though the actions were heroic.  Fact is, there are not that many, true, heroes out there!</p>
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		<title>By: Mike Healy</title>
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		<dc:creator>Mike Healy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 30 Jan 2010 14:48:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thinking won&#039;t get you votes, Andrew. Our elected officials must be men (and women!) of action!</description>
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		<title>By: Andrew Williams</title>
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		<dc:creator>Andrew Williams</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 30 Jan 2010 08:12:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;Won&#039;t somebody PLEASE think about the children?&quot;

Think, I say, THINK, that is, not run around like a flock of headless chickens and pass laws that you could drive a fleet of Hummers through.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;Won&#8217;t somebody PLEASE think about the children?&#8221;</p>
<p>Think, I say, THINK, that is, not run around like a flock of headless chickens and pass laws that you could drive a fleet of Hummers through.</p>
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		<title>By: Homeboy</title>
		<link>http://www.theagitator.com/2010/01/29/ruining-kids-in-order-to-save-them-ctd/comment-page-1/#comment-383140</link>
		<dc:creator>Homeboy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 30 Jan 2010 07:42:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@ #25 &#124;   Jim Collins &#124;

&quot;I’m in agreement with most of what’s being said here, but, I have to wonder about one thing. Say you have two 14 or 15 year olds taking video and pictures of themselves having sex and then they post the video and pictures on a pay per view website. What do you do now?&quot;

In a free, healthy society, we would do absolutely nothing.  It would not even occur to us that something should be done about it.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@ #25 |   Jim Collins |</p>
<p>&#8220;I’m in agreement with most of what’s being said here, but, I have to wonder about one thing. Say you have two 14 or 15 year olds taking video and pictures of themselves having sex and then they post the video and pictures on a pay per view website. What do you do now?&#8221;</p>
<p>In a free, healthy society, we would do absolutely nothing.  It would not even occur to us that something should be done about it.</p>
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		<title>By: El Scorcho</title>
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		<dc:creator>El Scorcho</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 30 Jan 2010 03:57:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Could my 12 year old be charged with molestation if he masterbates?  Will that turn him into a sex offender?</description>
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		<title>By: mrclay.org &#187; Archive &#187; Yet Another Sexting Prosecution Attempt</title>
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		<dc:creator>mrclay.org &#187; Archive &#187; Yet Another Sexting Prosecution Attempt</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 30 Jan 2010 03:37:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] offender&#8221; labels! The latest case brings felony charges against kids of 12 and 13 (via Radley Balko). I&#8217;ve been meaning to write about this issue, but just read these [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] offender&#8221; labels! The latest case brings felony charges against kids of 12 and 13 (via Radley Balko). I&#8217;ve been meaning to write about this issue, but just read these [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Matt</title>
		<link>http://www.theagitator.com/2010/01/29/ruining-kids-in-order-to-save-them-ctd/comment-page-1/#comment-383131</link>
		<dc:creator>Matt</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 30 Jan 2010 02:26:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Cynical, comment #22, I fixed it for ya ;) :

&quot;...heroes in *costumes*.&quot;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Cynical, comment #22, I fixed it for ya ;) :</p>
<p>&#8220;&#8230;heroes in *costumes*.&#8221;</p>
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		<title>By: Matt</title>
		<link>http://www.theagitator.com/2010/01/29/ruining-kids-in-order-to-save-them-ctd/comment-page-1/#comment-383129</link>
		<dc:creator>Matt</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 30 Jan 2010 02:18:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Jim Collins, #25: 
&quot;Say you have two 14 or 15 year olds taking video and pictures of themselves having sex and then they post the video and pictures on a pay per view website.&quot;


Such things are dictated by what arbitrary line on a map enslaves you:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Age_of_consent

Note the legend: the age of consent in some places is *9* years old.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Jim Collins, #25:<br />
&#8220;Say you have two 14 or 15 year olds taking video and pictures of themselves having sex and then they post the video and pictures on a pay per view website.&#8221;</p>
<p>Such things are dictated by what arbitrary line on a map enslaves you:<br />
<a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Age_of_consent" rel="nofollow">http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Age_of_consent</a></p>
<p>Note the legend: the age of consent in some places is *9* years old.</p>
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