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		<title>By: bobzbob</title>
		<link>http://www.theagitator.com/2010/01/24/sunday-morning-links-7/comment-page-1/#comment-382494</link>
		<dc:creator>bobzbob</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 25 Jan 2010 19:41:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hey- if corporations are persons, why can&#039;t they vote?</description>
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		<title>By: Salvo</title>
		<link>http://www.theagitator.com/2010/01/24/sunday-morning-links-7/comment-page-1/#comment-382474</link>
		<dc:creator>Salvo</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 25 Jan 2010 17:35:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>My problem with the corporate person-hood argument is that it&#039;s not fully enforced...i.e. a corporation is a &quot;person&quot; in some instances, but not all. 1st Amendment rights? Person. 5th Amendment rights? Person.  Charging the corporation with murder if they knowingly put in salmonella infected peanuts into the food supply? Sorry, not a person. You&#039;ll have to sue. Charging the corporation with breaking and entering when they break into your house and lock you out of it, because, even after you informed them that you owned your house free and clear, they made a mistake as to whether they even had a mortgage with you, and possessed the house? Sorry, not a person. Can&#039;t be done.

If a corporation is a person, that comes with responsibilities, as well as rights.  Our current system gives them all the rights with none of the responsibilities.  If I knowingly dumped a substance into the food supply that killed lots of people, I&#039;d be (rightly) charged with murder, and possibly domestic terrorism. A corporation does it? Nothing. Lawsuits. Fines (maybe).</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>My problem with the corporate person-hood argument is that it&#8217;s not fully enforced&#8230;i.e. a corporation is a &#8220;person&#8221; in some instances, but not all. 1st Amendment rights? Person. 5th Amendment rights? Person.  Charging the corporation with murder if they knowingly put in salmonella infected peanuts into the food supply? Sorry, not a person. You&#8217;ll have to sue. Charging the corporation with breaking and entering when they break into your house and lock you out of it, because, even after you informed them that you owned your house free and clear, they made a mistake as to whether they even had a mortgage with you, and possessed the house? Sorry, not a person. Can&#8217;t be done.</p>
<p>If a corporation is a person, that comes with responsibilities, as well as rights.  Our current system gives them all the rights with none of the responsibilities.  If I knowingly dumped a substance into the food supply that killed lots of people, I&#8217;d be (rightly) charged with murder, and possibly domestic terrorism. A corporation does it? Nothing. Lawsuits. Fines (maybe).</p>
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		<title>By: Alan</title>
		<link>http://www.theagitator.com/2010/01/24/sunday-morning-links-7/comment-page-1/#comment-382401</link>
		<dc:creator>Alan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 25 Jan 2010 07:11:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I can&#039;t help but wonder how much screaming there&#039;s going to be when Citgo starts running ads for or against politicians. Nobody has a problem with Hugo Chavez getting into US electoral politics, right?

Heck, does the ruling even have any limitations on where corporations are established? I&#039;m pretty sure non-citizens in the US have First Amendment rights as well, because the Amendment doesn&#039;t really cover the right - it covers the creation of laws that abridge rights. So, there&#039;s no problem with any non-US corporation getting into the party, right?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I can&#8217;t help but wonder how much screaming there&#8217;s going to be when Citgo starts running ads for or against politicians. Nobody has a problem with Hugo Chavez getting into US electoral politics, right?</p>
<p>Heck, does the ruling even have any limitations on where corporations are established? I&#8217;m pretty sure non-citizens in the US have First Amendment rights as well, because the Amendment doesn&#8217;t really cover the right &#8211; it covers the creation of laws that abridge rights. So, there&#8217;s no problem with any non-US corporation getting into the party, right?</p>
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		<title>By: Kevin</title>
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		<dc:creator>Kevin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 25 Jan 2010 06:19:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I don&#039;t like the fact that corporations and unions can contribute to political campaigns. Neither entity can vote. Why the hell should they be affecting the outcomes of elections?  Their ability to influence via money is completely disproportionate to that of most of the people who are actually supposed to be represented by the politician in question.  American politics might be just a bit less of a cesspool if corporations and unions were left out of it. By allowing their contributions, it&#039;s simply an admission that buying votes from politicians is a-ok.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I don&#8217;t like the fact that corporations and unions can contribute to political campaigns. Neither entity can vote. Why the hell should they be affecting the outcomes of elections?  Their ability to influence via money is completely disproportionate to that of most of the people who are actually supposed to be represented by the politician in question.  American politics might be just a bit less of a cesspool if corporations and unions were left out of it. By allowing their contributions, it&#8217;s simply an admission that buying votes from politicians is a-ok.</p>
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		<title>By: Kino</title>
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		<dc:creator>Kino</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 25 Jan 2010 03:08:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The AUDACITY of a CRIMINAL who wants to use the proceeds of said CRIME to pay for said CRIMINALS legal defense !</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The AUDACITY of a CRIMINAL who wants to use the proceeds of said CRIME to pay for said CRIMINALS legal defense !</p>
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		<title>By: Michael Chaney</title>
		<link>http://www.theagitator.com/2010/01/24/sunday-morning-links-7/comment-page-1/#comment-382328</link>
		<dc:creator>Michael Chaney</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 24 Jan 2010 20:04:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>A couple of comments on the dirty DA:

1. It&#039;s ironic that the purpose of asset forfeiture is that criminals don&#039;t get to use their ill-gotten gains for their own good.  I have no problem with that.  However, the irony here is that means that Tenaha should have their ill-gotten gains taken from them - this shouldn&#039;t even be problem.

2. In most cases I believe that rogue DAs, police officers, and judges *should* have to pay for their own defense and *should* be liable individually.  In this case, though, I think Tehana should share responsibility.  It&#039;s not just this DA that was corrupt; in fact the entire criminal justice system there from the police to the DA&#039;s office to the courts were in on this little scam, and as such the people there *should* pay.  She wasn&#039;t a rogue acting outside her official capacity.  To the contrary, she was part of a criminal organization acting in place of their government, apparently with the sanction of the people living there.  The fact that their Baptist &quot;church&quot; had accepted $10,000 of the filthy lucre tells me that this community was aware of what was going on and, at best, complicit.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>A couple of comments on the dirty DA:</p>
<p>1. It&#8217;s ironic that the purpose of asset forfeiture is that criminals don&#8217;t get to use their ill-gotten gains for their own good.  I have no problem with that.  However, the irony here is that means that Tenaha should have their ill-gotten gains taken from them &#8211; this shouldn&#8217;t even be problem.</p>
<p>2. In most cases I believe that rogue DAs, police officers, and judges *should* have to pay for their own defense and *should* be liable individually.  In this case, though, I think Tehana should share responsibility.  It&#8217;s not just this DA that was corrupt; in fact the entire criminal justice system there from the police to the DA&#8217;s office to the courts were in on this little scam, and as such the people there *should* pay.  She wasn&#8217;t a rogue acting outside her official capacity.  To the contrary, she was part of a criminal organization acting in place of their government, apparently with the sanction of the people living there.  The fact that their Baptist &#8220;church&#8221; had accepted $10,000 of the filthy lucre tells me that this community was aware of what was going on and, at best, complicit.</p>
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		<title>By: Marty</title>
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		<dc:creator>Marty</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 24 Jan 2010 19:19:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;The TSA views this employee&#039;s behavior to be highly inappropriate and unprofessional,&quot; she wrote. &quot;We can assure travelers this employee has been disciplined by TSA management at Philadelphia International Airport, and he has expressed remorse for his actions.&quot;

so... after they chuckled about the &#039;joke&#039;, they told him not to do &#039;that one&#039; again. we&#039;ve repeatedly seen minor offenses like this prosecuted as a federal crime when an individual makes a &#039;joke&#039;.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;The TSA views this employee&#8217;s behavior to be highly inappropriate and unprofessional,&#8221; she wrote. &#8220;We can assure travelers this employee has been disciplined by TSA management at Philadelphia International Airport, and he has expressed remorse for his actions.&#8221;</p>
<p>so&#8230; after they chuckled about the &#8216;joke&#8217;, they told him not to do &#8216;that one&#8217; again. we&#8217;ve repeatedly seen minor offenses like this prosecuted as a federal crime when an individual makes a &#8216;joke&#8217;.</p>
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		<title>By: b-psycho</title>
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		<dc:creator>b-psycho</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 24 Jan 2010 19:14:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>If you assume that corporations are equivalent to individuals, the case is rather open &amp; shut: no duh they can&#039;t be silenced.

But if you ask why corporate status, itself a grant of privilege by government, exists in the first place...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>If you assume that corporations are equivalent to individuals, the case is rather open &amp; shut: no duh they can&#8217;t be silenced.</p>
<p>But if you ask why corporate status, itself a grant of privilege by government, exists in the first place&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Foobs</title>
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		<dc:creator>Foobs</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 24 Jan 2010 18:04:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;When only 30 percent of the public has a favorable view of Congress, but 95 percent of incumbents keep getting reelected, the game’s been rigged.&quot;

There is a problem, but not the one you think.  Elected officials provide the public with (give or take) the government they want.  However, the public is incapable of reconciling that (1) they are getting what they want with (2) what they&#039;re getting isn&#039;t very good.  As a defense measure, the public convinces itself that the process is rigged by special interests, corporate money, backroom dealing, Jews...  whatever it is today.  

Because this is a way for the public to absolve itself of moral and intellectual responsibility for its choices, it is a very dangerous thing.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;When only 30 percent of the public has a favorable view of Congress, but 95 percent of incumbents keep getting reelected, the game’s been rigged.&#8221;</p>
<p>There is a problem, but not the one you think.  Elected officials provide the public with (give or take) the government they want.  However, the public is incapable of reconciling that (1) they are getting what they want with (2) what they&#8217;re getting isn&#8217;t very good.  As a defense measure, the public convinces itself that the process is rigged by special interests, corporate money, backroom dealing, Jews&#8230;  whatever it is today.  </p>
<p>Because this is a way for the public to absolve itself of moral and intellectual responsibility for its choices, it is a very dangerous thing.</p>
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		<title>By: bobzbob</title>
		<link>http://www.theagitator.com/2010/01/24/sunday-morning-links-7/comment-page-1/#comment-382315</link>
		<dc:creator>bobzbob</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 24 Jan 2010 17:57:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Wether or not Corporations should have free speech rights is one question, but the idea they are protected by the constitution is ludicrous.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Wether or not Corporations should have free speech rights is one question, but the idea they are protected by the constitution is ludicrous.</p>
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		<title>By: Frank</title>
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		<dc:creator>Frank</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 24 Jan 2010 17:27:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Bitch deserves to be left &quot;high and dry&quot;, preferably from a hemp rope tied to a lamp post.  Financially ruined is a poor second choice.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Bitch deserves to be left &#8220;high and dry&#8221;, preferably from a hemp rope tied to a lamp post.  Financially ruined is a poor second choice.</p>
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		<title>By: Andrew</title>
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		<dc:creator>Andrew</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 24 Jan 2010 17:27:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Re Citizens United:

What about corporations that are partly owned by foreign interests? Is it simply enough that the company be incorporated in the US or traded in the US?</description>
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<p>What about corporations that are partly owned by foreign interests? Is it simply enough that the company be incorporated in the US or traded in the US?</p>
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		<title>By: Joey Maloney</title>
		<link>http://www.theagitator.com/2010/01/24/sunday-morning-links-7/comment-page-1/#comment-382312</link>
		<dc:creator>Joey Maloney</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 24 Jan 2010 17:24:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;Russell has been left &quot;high and dry,&quot; her attorney says.

&quot;She&#039;ll have to pay for her defense out of her own resources, which are limited,&quot; said Tom Henson, Russell&#039;s attorney.&lt;/blockquote&gt;

Dunno about you, but &lt;i&gt;my&lt;/i&gt; heart bleeds for her.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>Russell has been left &#8220;high and dry,&#8221; her attorney says.</p>
<p>&#8220;She&#8217;ll have to pay for her defense out of her own resources, which are limited,&#8221; said Tom Henson, Russell&#8217;s attorney.</p></blockquote>
<p>Dunno about you, but <i>my</i> heart bleeds for her.</p>
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		<title>By: Saint Zero</title>
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		<dc:creator>Saint Zero</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 24 Jan 2010 17:19:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Unlimited donations from private citizens?  George Soros will be thrilled.</description>
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		<title>By: Matt D</title>
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		<dc:creator>Matt D</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 24 Jan 2010 17:13:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;i&gt;When only 30 percent of the public has a favorable view of Congress, but 95 percent of incumbents keep getting reelected, the game’s been rigged.&lt;/i&gt;

Yeah but even poor people today have TVs and telephones so everything is peachy, right?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>When only 30 percent of the public has a favorable view of Congress, but 95 percent of incumbents keep getting reelected, the game’s been rigged.</i></p>
<p>Yeah but even poor people today have TVs and telephones so everything is peachy, right?</p>
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		<title>By: Lior</title>
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		<dc:creator>Lior</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 24 Jan 2010 17:07:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;&quot;She&#039;ll have to pay for her defense out of her own resources, which are limited,&quot; said Tom Henson, Russell&#039;s attorney. &quot;This whole thing has kind of fallen into a never-never land.
&quot;She feels very strongly that she has done nothing wrong and she&#039;s not liable, and neither are the other defendants. They had good cause for whatever they did,&quot; Henson added.&lt;/blockquote&gt;

Something tells me these DAs don&#039;t accept these arguments from the people they prosecute.  Why should we accept such things from them?

[PS: The taxpayers should pay for her defence -- she&#039;s being sued in her official capacity -- but using the asset forfeiture fund itself makes no sense]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>&#8220;She&#8217;ll have to pay for her defense out of her own resources, which are limited,&#8221; said Tom Henson, Russell&#8217;s attorney. &#8220;This whole thing has kind of fallen into a never-never land.<br />
&#8220;She feels very strongly that she has done nothing wrong and she&#8217;s not liable, and neither are the other defendants. They had good cause for whatever they did,&#8221; Henson added.</p></blockquote>
<p>Something tells me these DAs don&#8217;t accept these arguments from the people they prosecute.  Why should we accept such things from them?</p>
<p>[PS: The taxpayers should pay for her defence -- she's being sued in her official capacity -- but using the asset forfeiture fund itself makes no sense]</p>
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		<title>By: Matt D</title>
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		<dc:creator>Matt D</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 24 Jan 2010 17:04:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Eh. I think Kevin Drum kinda summed up my feelings about it: http://motherjones.com/kevin-drum/2010/01/money-politics

That said, I&#039;m not sure what you all are crowing about. It&#039;s not as though a victory for corporate influence in our political system is a victory for individual liberty.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Eh. I think Kevin Drum kinda summed up my feelings about it: <a href="http://motherjones.com/kevin-drum/2010/01/money-politics" rel="nofollow">http://motherjones.com/kevin-drum/2010/01/money-politics</a></p>
<p>That said, I&#8217;m not sure what you all are crowing about. It&#8217;s not as though a victory for corporate influence in our political system is a victory for individual liberty.</p>
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		<title>By: InMD</title>
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		<dc:creator>InMD</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 24 Jan 2010 16:46:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>While I don&#039;t necessarily disagree about campaign contributions I think the idea that limits on money is what is keeping Congressional elections uncompetitive is naively simplistic.  If you want to specify a particular policy cause I think heavily gerrymandered districts are far more to blame.  The amount of money being tossed around by citizens or organizations doesn&#039;t matter nearly as much when most legislators have engineered safe seats for themselves.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>While I don&#8217;t necessarily disagree about campaign contributions I think the idea that limits on money is what is keeping Congressional elections uncompetitive is naively simplistic.  If you want to specify a particular policy cause I think heavily gerrymandered districts are far more to blame.  The amount of money being tossed around by citizens or organizations doesn&#8217;t matter nearly as much when most legislators have engineered safe seats for themselves.</p>
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		<title>By: Johnny Longtorso</title>
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		<dc:creator>Johnny Longtorso</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 24 Jan 2010 16:45:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;ve reorganized my epic takedown of the CRA, and added a table of contents at the front if you want to skip right to the data on large institutions vs. small ones.  If I do say so myself, I&#039;ve never seen that argument against the &quot;look at these small lending programs&quot; defense of the CRA given by the left.  Libs used the CRA to take trillions from the large banks, then investigated small ones to evaluate the program.

&lt;a href=&quot;http://limitedmodifiedhangout.blogspot.com/2010/01/community-reinvestment-act-evaluated.html&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;The Community Reinvestment Act, Evaluated&lt;/a&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;ve reorganized my epic takedown of the CRA, and added a table of contents at the front if you want to skip right to the data on large institutions vs. small ones.  If I do say so myself, I&#8217;ve never seen that argument against the &#8220;look at these small lending programs&#8221; defense of the CRA given by the left.  Libs used the CRA to take trillions from the large banks, then investigated small ones to evaluate the program.</p>
<p><a href="http://limitedmodifiedhangout.blogspot.com/2010/01/community-reinvestment-act-evaluated.html" rel="nofollow">The Community Reinvestment Act, Evaluated</a></p>
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		<title>By: PeeDub</title>
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		<dc:creator>PeeDub</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 24 Jan 2010 16:35:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>GOD, I wish I could have been the one to fire him.  In fact, I think that is the one job where I&#039;d wake up hours early and *dance* to work: firing TSA employees.  Is there such job?  Dare I dream?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>GOD, I wish I could have been the one to fire him.  In fact, I think that is the one job where I&#8217;d wake up hours early and *dance* to work: firing TSA employees.  Is there such job?  Dare I dream?</p>
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