New Orleans Cops/Prosecutors Tagging Prostitutes as Sex Offenders

Thursday, January 21st, 2010

This is just horrendous:

New Orleans city police and the district attorney’s office are using a state law written for child molesters to charge hundreds of sex workers like Tabitha as sex offenders. The law, which dates back to 1805, makes it a crime against nature to engage in “unnatural copulation”—a term New Orleans cops and the district attorney’s office have interpreted to mean anal or oral sex. Sex workers convicted of breaking this law are charged with felonies, issued longer jail sentences and forced to register as sex offenders. They must also carry a driver’s license with the label “sex offender” printed on it. Of the 861 sex offenders currently registered in New Orleans, 483 were convicted of a crime against nature, according to Doug Cain, a spokesperson with the Louisiana State Police. And of those convicted of a crime against nature, 78 percent are Black and almost all are women…

Tabitha has to register an address in the sex offender database, and because she doesn’t have a permanent home, she has registered the address of a nonprofit organization that is helping her. She also has to purchase and mail postcards with her picture to everyone in the neighborhood informing them of her conviction. If she needs to evacuate to a shelter during a hurricane, she must evacuate to a special shelter for sex offenders, and this shelter has no separate safe spaces for women. She is even prohibited from very ordinary activities in New Orleans like wearing a costume at Mardi Gras.

Merely an arrest—a conviction isn’t required, nor does the arrest need to be sex-related—can add another 15 years to your time on the list. And challenging the charges will only make it worse.

Although some women have tried to fight the sex offender charges in court, they’ve had little success. The penalties they face became even harsher in 2006 when Congress passed the Adam Walsh act, requiring tier-1 (the least serious) sex offenders to stay in the public registry for 15 years. There’s also an added danger to fighting the charges, according to Josh Perry, a former attorney with the Orleans Public Defenders office.  “The way Louisiana’s habitual offender law works, if you challenge your sentence in court and lose, and it’s a third offense, the mandatory minimum is 20 years. The maximum is life,” he explained.

Thanks to John Cole for the tip.

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59 Responses to “New Orleans Cops/Prosecutors Tagging Prostitutes as Sex Offenders”

  1. #1 |  Aresen | 

    Who needs silly things like due process?

    /snark

  2. #2 |  Edmund Dantes | 

    “The way Louisiana’s habitual offender law works, if you challenge your sentence in court and lose, and it’s a third offense, the mandatory minimum is 20 years. The maximum is life,” he explained.

    I’ve never understood why that is constitutional on it’s face. If you challenge the state trying to deprive you of your freedom, your punishment is worse. The founders would be shocked at that. I guess it only happens to bad people so no skin off anyone else’s back.

    The same little game is used in traffic tickets and other minor crimes. They make it so that it’s easier and cheaper to just plead guilty and pay the fine even if innocent. It’s quite the racket.

  3. #3 |  Al V | 

    Cops and DA’s abusing the poor and helpless for fun and political profit.

    We’ve never seen that before.

    DO SOMETHING ABOUT PROSTITUTION! yell the voters.

    And this is what they came up with.

    Increasing criminal penalties does not deter people from this kind of crime because very few people make a rational decision to become a sex worker.

    Dumb. Sad And dumb.

  4. #4 |  MacGregory | 

    I don’t know what the problem is. I only use my penis to rid my body of waste. Anything else would be a sin; a violation of the puritan beliefs of my ancestors.

  5. #5 |  MDGuy | 

    Once again we see that sex-offender registries have absolutely nothing to do with keeping children safe and everything to do with exacting petty retribution on the “undesireable” elements of society. Genuine pedophiles are probably rejoicing that as the ranks of registered sex-offenders swell, law enforcement’s capacity to monitor them is greatly reduced. The registries have become so diluted with non-threats that the real sickos just get lost in the shuffle. Predictably, when one of these sickos offends again, everyone will moan about how “the system failed” and thus we need to reform (read: expand) the system to ensure that This Never Happens Again.

  6. #6 |  Aresen | 

    MacGregory | January 21st, 2010 at 12:15 pm
    I don’t know what the problem is. I only use my penis to rid my body of waste. Anything else would be a sin; a violation of the puritan beliefs of my ancestors

    Given that, just how did you happen to have ancestors? Or, more exactly, how did they happen to have descendents?

  7. #7 |  ktc2 | 

    So any persons having oral or anal sex are now sex offenders?

    Damn I’m glad I dont live in a hell-hole like Mississippi or Arizona.

  8. #8 |  Noel St. John | 

    @ Al V:
    “Increasing criminal penalties does not deter people from this kind of crime because very few people make a rational decision to become a sex worker. ”

    Well said. Not unlike the war on drugs, penalties have little effect in their attemp to reduce or discourage such actions. Yet this should be obvious to everyone. Perhaps there IS another reason….

  9. #9 |  MacGregory | 

    Don’t you know anything Aresen? The stork brought them. Silly guy. The special ones, like me, were found under a cabbage leaf.

  10. #10 |  Pablo | 

    This is monstrous. How the hell could this survive a court challenge? The SCOTUS struck down all the laws against “sodomy” and “crimes against nature” in 2003–Lawrence v. Texas.

  11. #11 |  Cynical in CA | 

    The war on people continues unabated.

  12. #12 |  Bronwyn | 

    My parents told me they found me under a rock. And I had a tail. And I was a boy. But they dressed me like a girl and grew my hair long, because they wanted a girl.

    All you sick people conceived by *shiver* fornication are monsters. MONSTERS!

  13. #13 |  Boyd Durkin | 

    Deliberately using a law incorrectly = pretty evil douchebags (aka cops and prosecutors).

    Surely when everyone is a criminal, the state will be safe. Oh, the people will be fuck’d, but the state will be safe (except from terrorists).

  14. #14 |  Dave Krueger | 

    I’ve got good news and bad news. The bad news is that they are slowly (or quickly) expanding the coverage of the sex offender registry. The good news is that, once everyone is on it, it won’t be that big a deal anymore.

    Despite what we read in our narrow world where we hang around like-thinking people, the treatment of sex offenders isn’t even controversial. Sex offenders are fair game. Even the most justice-conscious, liberal, live-and-let-live, people I know are quick to condemn anyone accused of even looking sideways at a child. Defense attorneys are harassed for even defending them. And now, as the registry is expanded to include more and more offenses, people convicted of crimes having nothing to do with children are being treated as if they were child molesters.

    When it comes to persecution, humanity can hardly finish one crusade before starting on another and the favorite strategy is to characterize the people being persecuted as animals (less than human). Sex offenders are the new subhumans whether it’s because they raped a toddler or got caught streaking at a football game.

    Like it or not, the government dictates where, when, how, and under what circumstances we are allowed to have sex. Any sexual freedom we have is only because they permit us to have it. And, for the most part, people don’t even have a problem with that.

    I know I’m an idiot, but I still can’t understand how women, who fought so hard for the right to vote, can’t wait to lock up and persecute their own sex for the mere act of trying to put food on their table and a roof over their head using their own bodies no different from a fashion model, sports star, engineer, or soldier. Apparently the feminist movement is all about “your body, your choice” but only so long as you make the right choice. In fact, the feminist answer to sex discrimination in locking up women for prostitution was to campaign to have their male customers locked up as well! Misery is ok, provided you make men and women equally miserable.

    I can’t understand how women can not be outraged by the fact that these prostitutes are being equated to child molesters and I can’t understand why real advocates for children aren’t outraged that the sex registry is being diluted and made meaningless by it’s application to people who don’t pose one iota of risk to anyone.

    I better quit now before I blow an artery…

  15. #15 |  J sub D | 

    Once again we see that sex-offender registries have absolutely nothing to do with keeping children safe and everything to do with exacting petty retribution on the “undesireable” elements of society. Genuine pedophiles are probably rejoicing that as the ranks of registered sex-offenders swell, law enforcement’s capacity to monitor them is greatly reduced. The registries have become so diluted with non-threats that the real sickos just get lost in the shuffle. Predictably, when one of these sickos offends again, everyone will moan about how “the system failed” and thus we need to reform (read: expand) the system to ensure that This Never Happens Again.

    The monster in Cleveland was a registered sex offender. Not exactly a ringing endorsement of the concept, is it?

  16. #16 |  Mike Leatherwood | 

    So, all we need is a photo or video of a police chief, a DA or maybe the Governor engaged in such activities and see if they would prosecute…oh wait….

  17. #17 |  Scott K | 

    “When asked about the allegations of abusing the crime against nature statue, New Orleans Police Department spokesman Bob Young responded: ‘Persons are charged according to the crime they commit.’”

    Sure. So Mr. Young is either a sex offender or doesn’t get blowjobs from his wife.

    Mayor: “Is this true?”
    Venkman: “Yes, it’s true. This man has no dick.”

  18. #18 |  Comrade Dread | 

    The law, which dates back to 1805, makes it a crime against nature to engage in “unnatural copulation”—a term New Orleans cops and the district attorney’s office have interpreted to mean anal or oral sex.

    So, can we start a fund to hire some PIs and have them interview past partners of cops and DAs to see if any of them have previously engaged in ‘unnatural copulation’ and push to get them added to the sex offender registry?

  19. #19 |  Marty | 

    this is all part of the works program- women are safer to arrest than men, so cops support it. this is an easy crime to prosecute, so the courts support it. women prisoners are generally easier to deal with, so guards support it.

    they use the least powerful as a fulcrum to leverage their self-interests.

  20. #20 |  Yizmo Gizmo | 

    “I know I’m an idiot, but I still can’t understand how women, who fought so hard for the right to vote, can’t wait to lock up and persecute their own sex for the mere act of trying to put food on their table and a roof over their head using their own bodies no different from a fashion model, sports star, engineer, or soldier.”

    In Argentina they marched in the streets. Hey Government, hands off our bodies. It worked.
    The hookahs in the USA need to turn prostitution into a sexism/feminism issue
    if they want legislation reversed.

  21. #21 |  Bob | 

    Dave:

    “I can’t understand how women can not be outraged by…”

    I think it’s because the majority of these women are “Good Christians” ™ and understand that these godless vermin need to be punished for their godless choices.

    All “Good Christians” ™ know that only godless vermin get caught up in the myriad of laws designed to punish the godless vermin for not being “Good Christians” ™

    Law enforcement, on the other hand, is laboring under no such delusion. They’re happily encouraging and abetting the “True Christians” ™ because the relationship provides an easy source of targets for them to profit off of without consequences.

    It’s like a major chain of Liquor stores supporting “Dry County” laws to more efficiently eliminate it’s competition.

    The moral of the story is that those who act through “Moral indignation” are easily manipulated by those that actually understand the market forces that are in play.

  22. #22 |  MacGregory | 

    People like Adam Walsh and MADD are amongst the leading proprietors of the panicky, knee-jerk legislation that define “unintended consequences.” I suppose they won’t be happy until they have all of our youth “Clocked Worked Orange.”

    Having made such an horrendous statement, I guess that makes me a pedophile and an advocate of drunk driving. I hate myself.

  23. #23 |  Dave Krueger | 

    #20 | Yizmo Gizmo

    The hookahs in the USA need to turn prostitution into a sexism/feminism issue if they want legislation reversed.

    Feminism in the U.S. seems to be on a mission to conflate prostitution and trafficking, taking the position that all prostitutes are victims (regardless of anything those confused ignorance victims my say to the contrary). I’ve never quite been able to wrap my head around the contention by feminists that women are perpetually victimized and exploited by the very people that they so vehemently profess to be equal to.

    As far as I know (which isn’t saying much), there isn’t a single mainstream political organization in the U.S. that actively supports legalization of prostitution. Like most sex work, they have their trade organizations, but nothing that has a broad public appeal.

  24. #24 |  Yizmo Gizmo | 

    Well, one can perhaps call this Victorian Feminism.
    Men are pigs, sex is dirty, ladies are victims.
    Hell, where’s Camille Paglia when you need her?

  25. #25 |  Chris in AL | 

    There is no way the selective application of this law would truly pass constitutional review. You can’t prosecute working girls for oral/anal sex and leave the gay and lesbian community alone. They are incapable of engaging in anything other than “unnatural copulation”.

    Also, all of these girl’s customers are also guilty. It should be illegal to place any adults prosecuted based upon their participation in a consensual sex act with another adult on the registry except in pairs. One cannot copulate, naturally or otherwise, alone.

    This is blatantly discriminatory against women and homosexuals.

  26. #26 |  jppatter | 

    #22

    People like Adam Walsh and MADD are amongst the leading proprietors of the panicky, knee-jerk legislation

    Just a little nitpick – Adam Walsh was the boy murdered in the 1980s; John Walsh is his father who pursued the tougher legislation.

  27. #27 |  jppatter | 

    #22 People like Adam Walsh and MADD are amongst the leading proprietors of the panicky, knee-jerk legislation

    Just a little nitpick – Adam Walsh was the boy murdered in the 1980s; John Walsh is his father who pursued the tougher legislation.

  28. #28 |  Tsu Dho Nihm | 

    Ah, government. It stoops so low that it wins every limbo tournament it enters (usually by arresting the other participants for entering a limbo tournament).

  29. #29 |  MacGregory | 

    My ass is reserved for shitting. The only thing entering it is my finger, wrapped in TP. That is my decision; not the “voters” or the church.

  30. #30 |  Highway | 

    I hope it’s not out of turn, but I’d recommend Dave Krueger’s blog, linked via his name, for discussing more about issues like this. It’s absolutely horrid the way anything involving sex is treated by our society (and other societies, too).

  31. #31 |  fwb | 

    I will point out that FACT that Congress has no authority to prescribe punishments except in the three delegated areas. If one understands the Constitution and the delegation of power, then one SHOULD be able to understand that federal laws that punish are NOT constitutional.

    Learn the truth. Stand up for what is right. Keep government in its allowed place.

    Congress didn’t even have the authority to punish treason UNTIL the Constitution granted that power. These laws have all been lies, usurpations of power that were NEVER intended to be in the hands of the feds.

    There are over 4000 federal crimes. Only 6 are legitimate/constitutional. It is there in black and white. Use your brain.

    And the Courts ARE NOT over us. Society is in charge and it is society that can decide to follow or not follow judicial decisions. Blackstone (Book 1) covers this topic. Read and learn.

    Tiocfaidh ar la!

  32. #32 |  MacGregory | 

    #27 jppatter

    Generally, I hate nit-pickers but in this case I appreciate it. My apology is to Adam’s memory.

  33. #33 |  Chris in AL | 

    We are not the only ones that see the Sex Registry becoming overloaded and worthless. However, this will not lead to its demise. We are not that smart. It will lead to its expansion. There will soon be multiple levels on the registry based on how “unnatural” you are.

    For starters, all people born will automatically be placed on the registry. This is because they are born with original sin. Unfortunate, but it can’t be ignored. Thanks a lot Eve!. So all people will, by default, be added to the registry at level 2.

    Why level 2? Level 1 will be reserved for the clergy, pope etc… Clearly they must be registered, but need to be able to be just a little bit better than the rest of us.

    Level 3 will be reserved for anyone who has had a lustful thought. All boys will be automatically transferred to level 3 at age 11. It is not known when girls should be added, and any attempt to find out is good for an automatic promotion to level 6.

    Level 4 is for self abuse. All boys are automatically moved to this level at age 12 unless they already qualified for the move earlier or at any point develop the need for glasses. Regardless of gender, everyone with deteriorating eyesight is designated a level 4 sex offender. All blind people will be automatically placed on level 6 as they are clearly naughty and god hates them.

    Level 5 is for anyone who has viewed or read anything remotely arousing or titillating. This could range from X-rated pornography or literature to Calvin Klein ads, most shows on FOX or TNT, watching gymnastics, swimming or beach volleyball Olympic events, or reading the bible. No male over the age of 15 is legally permitted a sex offender status lower than level 5.

    I will have to explain levels 6-10 later, as right now I have to go pull a level 4.

    Thanks.

  34. #34 |  Dave Krueger | 

    #33 Chris in AL

    For starters, all people born will automatically be placed on the registry. This is because they are born with original sin. Unfortunate, but it can’t be ignored.

    LMAO! I almost hurt myself when I got to that. It’s like the bus scene in Final Destination. I just wasn’t ready for it.

  35. #35 |  Steamed McQueen | 

    Let me see if I have the timeline correct:

    1960s- Sexual Revolution, Free Love, If It Feels Good, Do It.

    2010- Now that all the hippies have grown up and are now in power, they enact ever more severe penalties on things that they themselves did with impunity.

    Whereas they once fought against the Establishment, now they ARE the Establishment.

    The phrase ‘sold out’ comes to mind.

  36. #36 |  Dave Krueger | 

    Prostitution is kind of a hot topic for me. I find laws against it to be an immoral and vicious attack on both the practitioners as well as the customers. Of all the recreational activities on the planet, sex is one of the most universal, so I find it beyond comprehension that people tolerate laws that make it a crime.

    I read a book a while back called America’s War on Sex by Marty Klein. It was an exceptional read except for two things. First it laid all the world’s evils at the feet of the conservatives which is patently untrue. Liberals are no strangers to the legislation of sexual behavior. Secondly, it made no mention of prostitution. Not even an index entry. In a book giving laws banning the sale of sex toys prominent coverage, one would think that laws against prostitution would at least earn an honorable mention.

    I think it may be legal to sell drugs long before it’s ever legal to sell sex.

  37. #37 |  Yizmo Gizmo | 

    They had a program on NatGeo 2 or 3 nights ago.
    They compared prostitution in 4 different locales.
    Bangladesh, Sydney, Holland, and USA.
    Despite the portrayal of the Aussie brothel as clean and safe,
    the USA “expert” stated emphatically that they cannot legalize prostitution in the USA because it “would be the State sanctioning *violence* against women.”
    Okay , whatever.

  38. #38 |  Dave Krueger | 

    #37 Yizmo Gizmo

    Despite the portrayal of the Aussie brothel as clean and safe,
    the USA “expert” stated emphatically that they cannot legalize prostitution in the USA because it “would be the State sanctioning *violence* against women.”

    Whereas locking them in jail and putting them on sex offender registries isn’t….

    Nothing condemns a prostitute to violence like a law that makes it almost impossible for her to report a violent crime without herself being charged.

  39. #39 |  Yizmo Gizmo | 

    George Carlin said it best.

    Selling is legal.
    Fucking is legal.
    Why is selling fucking illegal?

  40. #40 |  Danny | 

    Since it’s the money, not the sex act, that is illegal, I do not see how this survives constitutional challenge. Everything they did would be legal if it was done gratis, so how can it be an actual sex offense?

    The decisive factor must be lack of access to effective lawyers. Seems like ACLU-bait to me.

  41. #41 |  Yizmo Gizmo | 

    Not only should it not be illegal, the cops go so far as using taxpayer
    money to tempt people to solicit fake (decoy) hookahs.
    The other day in the news a decoy whore and a undercover cop (john)
    were reported to be wrestling in the street, trying to
    arrest one another.
    Only in America. Land of the Free. LOL.

  42. #42 |  Dave Krueger | 

    #41 Yizmo Gizmo

    The other day in the news a decoy whore and a undercover cop (john)
    were reported to be wrestling in the street, trying to
    arrest one another.

    If you have a link for that, I think it would make a nice bit of comic relief for my blog. :-)

  43. #43 |  hattio | 

    Yizmo Gizmo, you HAVE to find a link to that….PLEASE?

  44. #44 |  Yizmo Gizmo | 

    I saw it on TV several months ago.
    I think I was in San Diego.
    Google relevant keywords and you may get lucky;
    I can’t seem to find it though I tried but I definitely
    remember laughing out loud when
    I saw the ridiculous news report.

  45. #45 |  Aresen | 

    Level 1 will be reserved for the clergy, pope etc… Clearly they must be registered, but need to be able to be just a little bit better than the rest of us.

    !!!!!?

    Given recent history, I would assume “clergy” would automatically be level 69.

  46. #46 |  Cynical in CA | 

    I think it’s because the majority of these women are “Good Christians” ™ and understand that these godless vermin need to be punished for their godless choices.

    http://christiannymphos.org/

    You’re welcome.

  47. #47 |  JThompson | 

    @Dave Krueger:

    Feminism in the U.S. seems to be on a mission to conflate prostitution and trafficking, taking the position that all prostitutes are victims (regardless of anything those confused ignorance victims my say to the contrary).

    Depends on which feminist you ask. The vast majority of the ones I know refer to them as sex workers and go rabid at the attitude of the law towards prostitutes. For pretty much the same reason libertarians and liberals do. Her body her choice should be equally applied, whether you’re talking about abortion, drugs, or prostitution. (I’m of the opinion everyone should be ultimately responsible for whatever they put in or take out of their body. Drugs and penises included.)

  48. #48 |  Dave Krueger | 

    #47 JThompson

    Depends on which feminist you ask.

    Yes, I was making a broad generalization of a group of people who are anything but homogeneous. In fact, I don’t even know many women who care to be identified with the feminist movement anymore, but they do constitute a nationally known opinionated subset of women and represent themselves as being the vanguard of the fight for women’s rights. The most prominent spokespeople from back in their hayday tend to not be sympathetic toward prostitutes.

    So, I pick on them a lot.

  49. #49 |  supercat | 

    //The same little game is used in traffic tickets and other minor crimes. They make it so that it’s easier and cheaper to just plead guilty and pay the fine even if innocent. It’s quite the racket.//

    I agree. Plea-bargains and the like serve to punish the innocent while pardoning the guilty. They should be abolished.

    The only situation where such a thing would be even marginally appropriate would be if someone demands a hearing and then fails to appear to contest the charges. Such a person should in some cases have their punishment augmented for having wasted the time of the court and witnesses.

  50. #50 |  GreginOz | 

    Your country is crazy. I love this blog because I am boggled every day I read about the crazy clash of religion, dildos, cheatin’ preachers & renigade LEOs. I’d love to ask these suckhole N.O. pigs to the Sydney Mardigras! 500,000 pooftas & the Dykes On Bikes would ream ‘em up quite nicely actually. To think that oral/anal is deemed unnatural is hilarious!!! BOO HAR HAR HAR…Note to self: book Foxtell Pay TV for next Salem Witch Trials…

  51. #51 |  keninnorcal | 

    This project rings a bell. Oh yes, September 10th, 2001. One of the FBI’s major projects was focusing on New Orleans hookers. Glad they had their eye on the ball then as well as now.

  52. #52 |  ravenshrike | 

    It’s Nawlins, the city with the most corrupt legal system in the US. What did you expect. Personally, I’m hoping for the P&I clause to be revived in MacDonald.

  53. #53 |  the friendly grizzly | 

    Steamed McQueen said “2010- Now that all the hippies have grown up and are now in power, they enact ever more severe penalties on things that they themselves did with impunity.”

    Uhh… no. More likely it is the 1960s Youth for Christ crowd.

  54. #54 |  David Chesler | 

    I’m curious about Lawrence as well.

    I’m also pessimistic about legalization of prostitution. A loophole in Rhode Island made solicitation or streetwalking illegal (which is what folks complain about) but prostitution itself was not. With the advent of Craigslist (doing for prostitution what the ‘net did for porn) and some guy who robbed a few and murdered one sex worker he met through Craigslist in Boston, they had to do SOMETHING, so it is now illegal to sell sex in Rhode Island as well.

  55. #55 |  Dave Krueger | 

    #54 David Chesler

    …so it is now illegal to sell sex in Rhode Island as well.

    I only learned about a week ago that only street walking had been illegal in RI. I always thought that NV was the only state that permitted prostitution. I didn’t know they made it totally illegal though.

  56. #56 |  ShelbyC | 

    This doesn’t sound right. Laurence v texas should have taken care of the unnatural copulation thing.

  57. #57 |  Jonathan | 

    If prostitution were legal I can easily imagine a respectable trade and higher class of women working as well. Prostitution has been around forever and is not going to end anytime soon.

    “Selling is legal. Fucking is legal. Why isn’t selling fucking legal?”

    George Carlin R.I.P.

  58. #58 |  mnuez | 

    I can’t imagine that this is true. When I was in NO in September, the cops on the beat on Bourbon Street were VERY close and comfy with the working girls and both the cops and the girls implied to me that they were occasionally sexually intimate. (One implication for example was when I was sitting on the curb with a couple of girls at 3:00 AM and a cop came riding up on some sort of go cart and a girl lackadaisically said, “I’m going to give him a hand job.”)

    I spoke with a patrolling officer about the local sex-for-pay scene for close to an hour and he not only made it clear to me that NO has so many more serious issues such that they would almost never care what consenting adults do but he also insisted on foisting upon me a detailed review of every sex-for-pay establishment in the city, complete with his recommendations, approximate prices and bargaining techniques. (For the record my curiosity was of the human interest variety and not based on any need-to-know but that should be irrelevant. I mention it only so as not to appear to have been biased by amorous intents.)

    All of this is completely true and it’s the same impression that I got from the girls who I spoke with. In fact, my talk with this particular officer concluded when a couple of hookers stopped by to ask him to walk them home.

    NO seemed very libertarian with regard to this issue even if one wouldn’t be too paranoid to believe that there’s some congenial tit for tat between the parties.

    On a related subject, the French Quarter rules! — Though they could definitely do with some apartheid laws. Al of the drinking and singing and flirting… with 95% fewer stabbings and rapes. a man can dream, can’t he?

  59. #59 |  Michael | 

    Great article. I really can’t understand how good Christians (#21) could do this! Then as Jesus said in the New Testament, after someone called him, “good sir”, “Only God is good”. I tend to refer to those that know what the Bible says in it as real Christians, not the bozos that make up all the rules, the other Christians are supposed to follow. We are all hypocrites when it really comes down to it. No one is perfect and all Christians will fail, in some way!

    Anyway, I refer to my first wife’s views on sex. “anything in the marriage bed is undefiled” (not condemned). This is actually in the scripture of Hebrews 13:4. That is what I still believe. Funny thing is it goes on to say the “whoremongers and adulterers, God will judge”. It says nothing about the “whores”!!! I happen to believe in mercy and forgiveness, so all of the bad acts I atoned for, are not going to condemn me, either! And, I try not judge anyone, including a gays.

    I don’t expect anyone else to believe the way I do. But, it is interesting that these Christian” scriptures are in fact directly opposite to what the “good Christians” would believe. I guess they don’t know their Bible! Then again, many atheists know more about the Bible than these “good Christians”.

    And might I add the thought that the hand job, mentioned in one of the comments, was also “unnatural sex”?! Nothing is unnatural if one is married. I guess those times, when I was unmarried, were?! Absolutely! But, I am just a human.

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