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	<description>It rankles me when somebody tries to tell somebody what to do.</description>
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		<title>By: the innominate one</title>
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		<dc:creator>the innominate one</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 23 Nov 2009 23:39:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>forget Volokh, what does Bob Loblaw&#039;s Law Blog say about this development?</description>
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		<title>By: Google Provides Free Access to Full Text of Court Opinions &#171; Big Bear Observation Post</title>
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		<dc:creator>Google Provides Free Access to Full Text of Court Opinions &#171; Big Bear Observation Post</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 23 Nov 2009 23:11:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>By: Windy</title>
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		<dc:creator>Windy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 23 Nov 2009 21:45:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;These, after all, ARE the laws we’re supposed to follow&quot; 
and if we can&#039;t understand the legalese then how can we faithfully obey those laws?  

All bills and laws should be written in plain English, understandable to anyone with a 6th grade education.  They should also be completely Constitutional and cite at the beginning of every bill/law the Constitutional authority for what is intended by the bill/law, anything less should be grounds for repeal and a fair excuse for all citizens to disobey said bill/law.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;These, after all, ARE the laws we’re supposed to follow&#8221;<br />
and if we can&#8217;t understand the legalese then how can we faithfully obey those laws?  </p>
<p>All bills and laws should be written in plain English, understandable to anyone with a 6th grade education.  They should also be completely Constitutional and cite at the beginning of every bill/law the Constitutional authority for what is intended by the bill/law, anything less should be grounds for repeal and a fair excuse for all citizens to disobey said bill/law.</p>
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		<title>By: Salvo</title>
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		<dc:creator>Salvo</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 23 Nov 2009 19:56:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It&#039;s about damn time. Good on Google.</description>
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		<title>By: Ben (the other one)</title>
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		<dc:creator>Ben (the other one)</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 23 Nov 2009 19:55:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>There&#039;s two parts of the common law:  first, there are common law causes of action in both criminal and civil law, which date back to Merry Olde England.  So, for example, the common law courts defined crimes, such as murder and embezzlement, and they defined civil grounds for lawsuits (e.g., torts, breach of contract, etc.).  In the criminal law, these have almost all been codified.

The other aspect of common law is the elaboration through judicial decisionmaking of legal principles which apply to civil or criminal cases.  This occurs whether or not the underlying cause of action has been codified in a statute.  

I should have mentioned previously that I think that the effect of judicial elaboration on statutory criminal law has been that the statutes become elaborate to work around, anticipate, or reverse court decisions with which the legislature disagrees. 

A further complicating fact is that the rise of word processing software has made it easier for judges and law clerks to write increasingly lengthy opinions.  Sometimes, this occurs by cutting and pasting from other judicial opinions.  In other cases, law clerks will take a &quot;bench memo&quot; written to guide a judge&#039;s decision, and alter it slightly for the judge to use as a ruling memorandum.  The consequence is that the judicial gloss on statutes has grown enormously in volume over the past 20 years.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>There&#8217;s two parts of the common law:  first, there are common law causes of action in both criminal and civil law, which date back to Merry Olde England.  So, for example, the common law courts defined crimes, such as murder and embezzlement, and they defined civil grounds for lawsuits (e.g., torts, breach of contract, etc.).  In the criminal law, these have almost all been codified.</p>
<p>The other aspect of common law is the elaboration through judicial decisionmaking of legal principles which apply to civil or criminal cases.  This occurs whether or not the underlying cause of action has been codified in a statute.  </p>
<p>I should have mentioned previously that I think that the effect of judicial elaboration on statutory criminal law has been that the statutes become elaborate to work around, anticipate, or reverse court decisions with which the legislature disagrees. </p>
<p>A further complicating fact is that the rise of word processing software has made it easier for judges and law clerks to write increasingly lengthy opinions.  Sometimes, this occurs by cutting and pasting from other judicial opinions.  In other cases, law clerks will take a &#8220;bench memo&#8221; written to guide a judge&#8217;s decision, and alter it slightly for the judge to use as a ruling memorandum.  The consequence is that the judicial gloss on statutes has grown enormously in volume over the past 20 years.</p>
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		<title>By: ClubMedSux</title>
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		<dc:creator>ClubMedSux</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 23 Nov 2009 19:22:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;i&gt;. . . . I nevertheless wonder if the common law tradition isn’t more trouble than it’s worth.

If you would like to see transparency in the law, take a look at the French Penal Code. In a single (albeit long) web page, they provide the definition of every crime in France, plus criminal procedure and punishment laws (e.g., rehabilitation). . . .

My copy of the unannotated US Criminal Code (including Title 18 and selected sections of other titles) is about 1000 pages long.&lt;/i&gt;

While I agree that our US Criminal Code is ridiculous, I&#039;m not quite sure how you ascribe that to our common law tradition.  Common law may get somewhat complicated when you start arguing case law, but the idea is the exact opposite of what&#039;s found in the US Criminal Code.  Simply put, the whole idea of common law is that certain crimes are intuitive.  You know stealing and murder are wrong so they don&#039;t have to be codified.  By contrast, there&#039;s nothing intuitive about criminalizing the &quot;offer, acceptance, or solicitation to influence operations of employee benefit plan,&quot; hence we codify it (18 U.S.C. § 1954).

Given our inability to concisely codify statutory crimes in the U.S., why would you think doing away with common law and codifying those crimes as well would improve our criminal justice system?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>. . . . I nevertheless wonder if the common law tradition isn’t more trouble than it’s worth.</p>
<p>If you would like to see transparency in the law, take a look at the French Penal Code. In a single (albeit long) web page, they provide the definition of every crime in France, plus criminal procedure and punishment laws (e.g., rehabilitation). . . .</p>
<p>My copy of the unannotated US Criminal Code (including Title 18 and selected sections of other titles) is about 1000 pages long.</i></p>
<p>While I agree that our US Criminal Code is ridiculous, I&#8217;m not quite sure how you ascribe that to our common law tradition.  Common law may get somewhat complicated when you start arguing case law, but the idea is the exact opposite of what&#8217;s found in the US Criminal Code.  Simply put, the whole idea of common law is that certain crimes are intuitive.  You know stealing and murder are wrong so they don&#8217;t have to be codified.  By contrast, there&#8217;s nothing intuitive about criminalizing the &#8220;offer, acceptance, or solicitation to influence operations of employee benefit plan,&#8221; hence we codify it (18 U.S.C. § 1954).</p>
<p>Given our inability to concisely codify statutory crimes in the U.S., why would you think doing away with common law and codifying those crimes as well would improve our criminal justice system?</p>
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		<title>By: InMD</title>
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		<dc:creator>InMD</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 23 Nov 2009 18:42:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Also just to throw out there not every criminal law is in the state&#039;s criminal codes.  There are also common law crimes which can be prosecuted regardless of whether or not there is a statute unless the state has specifically rescinded the common law.  Most states that still follow the common law do have statutes that deviate slightly form the old rules but still follow the common law formulas.  However I don&#039;t think these are the sort of crimes you&#039;re talking about.  Common law crimes tend to be the common sense stuff like murder, rape, burglary, etc.  It would be pretty hard to commit a common law crime without being aware that you&#039;re doing something illegal unlike some statutory provisions which can criminalize rather obscure conduct.  It is important to understand the common law rules as well as what is in the statutes.  In theory, even if there was no statute criminalizing murder (though in practice I think all states have some statutory provision regarding it) or other common law crimes the state could still prosecute it.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Also just to throw out there not every criminal law is in the state&#8217;s criminal codes.  There are also common law crimes which can be prosecuted regardless of whether or not there is a statute unless the state has specifically rescinded the common law.  Most states that still follow the common law do have statutes that deviate slightly form the old rules but still follow the common law formulas.  However I don&#8217;t think these are the sort of crimes you&#8217;re talking about.  Common law crimes tend to be the common sense stuff like murder, rape, burglary, etc.  It would be pretty hard to commit a common law crime without being aware that you&#8217;re doing something illegal unlike some statutory provisions which can criminalize rather obscure conduct.  It is important to understand the common law rules as well as what is in the statutes.  In theory, even if there was no statute criminalizing murder (though in practice I think all states have some statutory provision regarding it) or other common law crimes the state could still prosecute it.</p>
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		<title>By: Ben (the other one)</title>
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		<dc:creator>Ben (the other one)</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 23 Nov 2009 18:38:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The new Google service is interesting, and all (taking into account Volokh&#039;s criticisms).  I nevertheless wonder if the common law tradition isn&#039;t more trouble than it&#039;s worth.  

If you would like to see transparency in the law, take a look at the &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.legifrance.gouv.fr/html/codes_traduits/code_penal_textA.htm&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;French Penal Code&lt;/a&gt;.  In a single (albeit long) web page, they provide the definition of every crime in France, plus criminal procedure and punishment laws (e.g., rehabilitation).  The language (in either English, which is the translation of the web page whose link I just provided, or in French) is also remarkably simple and straightforward.

My copy of the unannotated US Criminal Code (including Title 18 and selected sections of other titles) is about 1000 pages long.  When you add in the fact that French law is uniform nationally-- so there are no &quot;state&quot; criminal codes to consider in addition to the federal one-- the difference is even more enormous.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The new Google service is interesting, and all (taking into account Volokh&#8217;s criticisms).  I nevertheless wonder if the common law tradition isn&#8217;t more trouble than it&#8217;s worth.  </p>
<p>If you would like to see transparency in the law, take a look at the <a href="http://www.legifrance.gouv.fr/html/codes_traduits/code_penal_textA.htm" rel="nofollow">French Penal Code</a>.  In a single (albeit long) web page, they provide the definition of every crime in France, plus criminal procedure and punishment laws (e.g., rehabilitation).  The language (in either English, which is the translation of the web page whose link I just provided, or in French) is also remarkably simple and straightforward.</p>
<p>My copy of the unannotated US Criminal Code (including Title 18 and selected sections of other titles) is about 1000 pages long.  When you add in the fact that French law is uniform nationally&#8211; so there are no &#8220;state&#8221; criminal codes to consider in addition to the federal one&#8211; the difference is even more enormous.</p>
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		<title>By: Alex Knapp</title>
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		<dc:creator>Alex Knapp</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 23 Nov 2009 18:34:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The info is free as others have pointed out.  The service that Westlaw/Lexis provides is ORGANIZATION.  And that is time and labor intensive.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The info is free as others have pointed out.  The service that Westlaw/Lexis provides is ORGANIZATION.  And that is time and labor intensive.</p>
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		<title>By: InMD</title>
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		<dc:creator>InMD</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 23 Nov 2009 18:32:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I agree that this is a good thing.  You&#039;re slightly off on one thing though Radley.  Most states already do provide access to their codes free online as do quite a few localities.  Just google the state you&#039;re interested in then &quot;code online&quot;.  Actually I&#039;ve yet to come across a state that doesn&#039;t have it up, though oftentimes browsing it is much more cumbersome than with Lexis or West.  You just need to know how to search for it but typically it is at the state legislature&#039;s website.  In some ways it is actually most helpful to have access to the local/county codes online since in my experience they are the most difficult to locate and often can&#039;t even be found on Lexis or West Law.  

Appellate cases are a different story though you can often find some information via your state&#039;s high court website.  Also, though the information isn&#039;t online, the libraries at all state law schools are open to the public.  They should all have the regional reporters and though it may be difficult for someone who hasn&#039;t been to law school to browse them the information is out there for free for those who care to find it.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I agree that this is a good thing.  You&#8217;re slightly off on one thing though Radley.  Most states already do provide access to their codes free online as do quite a few localities.  Just google the state you&#8217;re interested in then &#8220;code online&#8221;.  Actually I&#8217;ve yet to come across a state that doesn&#8217;t have it up, though oftentimes browsing it is much more cumbersome than with Lexis or West.  You just need to know how to search for it but typically it is at the state legislature&#8217;s website.  In some ways it is actually most helpful to have access to the local/county codes online since in my experience they are the most difficult to locate and often can&#8217;t even be found on Lexis or West Law.  </p>
<p>Appellate cases are a different story though you can often find some information via your state&#8217;s high court website.  Also, though the information isn&#8217;t online, the libraries at all state law schools are open to the public.  They should all have the regional reporters and though it may be difficult for someone who hasn&#8217;t been to law school to browse them the information is out there for free for those who care to find it.</p>
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		<title>By: Dave Krueger</title>
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		<dc:creator>Dave Krueger</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 23 Nov 2009 17:38:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I see this as a good thing.  Joe Sixpack is now going to have direct access to the law.  Essentially, that means the only people left who don&#039;t know the laws will be the ones who pass them and the ones who enforce them.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I see this as a good thing.  Joe Sixpack is now going to have direct access to the law.  Essentially, that means the only people left who don&#8217;t know the laws will be the ones who pass them and the ones who enforce them.</p>
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		<title>By: ClubMedSux</title>
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		<dc:creator>ClubMedSux</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 23 Nov 2009 17:29:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Volokh&#039;s right that it won&#039;t replace Westlaw or Lexis any time soon, but it&#039;s a major step in that direction.  And as a lawyer who sometimes wants to answer non-billable questions (like is it REALLY illegal to make Eisbock because freezing the water crystals is technically a form of distilling?) it&#039;s a pretty sweet resource.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Volokh&#8217;s right that it won&#8217;t replace Westlaw or Lexis any time soon, but it&#8217;s a major step in that direction.  And as a lawyer who sometimes wants to answer non-billable questions (like is it REALLY illegal to make Eisbock because freezing the water crystals is technically a form of distilling?) it&#8217;s a pretty sweet resource.</p>
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		<title>By: Boyd Durkin</title>
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		<dc:creator>Boyd Durkin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 23 Nov 2009 17:28:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Bless Google for these many, many things as well as their secret plans to replace the US$ when it shits the bed in a couple years.</description>
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