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		<title>By: The Liberty Papers &#187;Blog Archive &#187; Cory Maye to Have a Second Chance at Justice</title>
		<link>http://www.theagitator.com/2009/11/17/cory-maye-gets-a-new-trial/comment-page-2/#comment-374824</link>
		<dc:creator>The Liberty Papers &#187;Blog Archive &#187; Cory Maye to Have a Second Chance at Justice</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 21 Nov 2009 01:15:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[[...] With my busy work schedule as it is, I managed to miss the very encouraging news that Cory Maye will get a new trial!  [...]]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] With my busy work schedule as it is, I managed to miss the very encouraging news that Cory Maye will get a new trial!  [...]</p>
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		<title>By: AJP</title>
		<link>http://www.theagitator.com/2009/11/17/cory-maye-gets-a-new-trial/comment-page-2/#comment-374717</link>
		<dc:creator>AJP</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 19 Nov 2009 19:22:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[The interesting thing about Supercat&#039;s observations is that questions of this sort will be presented to the jury any Cory Maye retrial, because all of the evidence concerning what appears to be fraud in procuring the search warrant can be introduced to negate the &quot;official capacity&quot; element of the capital murder charge.  The Court of Appeals didn&#039;t reach this issue, and it seems pretty apparent that the State would have a hard time excluding all of the defense&#039;s evidence on a key element of the offense.  

I think there has been some confusion in the comments above about what the Court of Appeals actually said about the search warrant issue.  The Court of Appeals rejected issue VII in Maye&#039;s opening brief, which was the argument that the original warrant application on its face was insufficient to establish probable cause.  The Court of Appeals (it appears quite deliberately) never ruled on issue VI, which is that the testimony obtained from the Gentry brothers shows that Ron Jones lied on the original warrant application, and Jones&#039;s conduct in this regard is evidence that can be introduced to defeat the official capacity element of the capital murder charge.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The interesting thing about Supercat&#8217;s observations is that questions of this sort will be presented to the jury any Cory Maye retrial, because all of the evidence concerning what appears to be fraud in procuring the search warrant can be introduced to negate the &#8220;official capacity&#8221; element of the capital murder charge.  The Court of Appeals didn&#8217;t reach this issue, and it seems pretty apparent that the State would have a hard time excluding all of the defense&#8217;s evidence on a key element of the offense.  </p>
<p>I think there has been some confusion in the comments above about what the Court of Appeals actually said about the search warrant issue.  The Court of Appeals rejected issue VII in Maye&#8217;s opening brief, which was the argument that the original warrant application on its face was insufficient to establish probable cause.  The Court of Appeals (it appears quite deliberately) never ruled on issue VI, which is that the testimony obtained from the Gentry brothers shows that Ron Jones lied on the original warrant application, and Jones&#8217;s conduct in this regard is evidence that can be introduced to defeat the official capacity element of the capital murder charge.</p>
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		<title>By: John Jenkins</title>
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		<dc:creator>John Jenkins</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 19 Nov 2009 02:46:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[@Supercat: I&#039;m curious as to the source of your expert opinion on the rules of evidence in criminal trials.  I won&#039;t ask about your interesting constitutional theories.  Just the rules of evidence.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@Supercat: I&#8217;m curious as to the source of your expert opinion on the rules of evidence in criminal trials.  I won&#8217;t ask about your interesting constitutional theories.  Just the rules of evidence.</p>
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		<title>By: supercat</title>
		<link>http://www.theagitator.com/2009/11/17/cory-maye-gets-a-new-trial/comment-page-2/#comment-374604</link>
		<dc:creator>supercat</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 19 Nov 2009 00:35:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[//Let the questioning occur, but monitor it to ensure the data is related to the case.//

The problem is that judges will often claim evidence is &quot;not relevant&quot; precisely because it *IS* relevant--just not in the way they&#039;d like.  If someone is convicted in a jury trial, but would have been acquitted had the jury been aware of some fact the judge kept from them, the person was not convicted by the jury--the person was illegitimately convicted by the judge (in violation of the Sixth Amendment).

If courts actually followed the Constitution, Cory Maye and Ryan Frederick would have been allowed to ask the jury to determine, among other things:

-1- Bearing in mind that the jury may be aware of things a warrant- judge was not, did the police in fact have probable cause to believe that (a) a particular crime was committed, and (b) a search of the defendant&#039;s particular premises would find some particular evidence of that crime.

-2- Was the warrant issued on the basis of sworn statements which truthfully and non-deceptively related the personal knowledge of the person making them.  Again, the jury may have information which the warrant judge does not.

-3- Was the search conducted in reasonable fashion to justify risk or harm to persons or property.  A warrant judge cannot be expected to have looked at this since the search won&#039;t have been conducted until after his involvement was complete.

Searches which do not comply with all three of the above requirements are illegitimate.  People who illegitimately break into occupied properties with the intention of accosting anyone who might be inside are robbers, regardless of their employment.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>//Let the questioning occur, but monitor it to ensure the data is related to the case.//</p>
<p>The problem is that judges will often claim evidence is &#8220;not relevant&#8221; precisely because it *IS* relevant&#8211;just not in the way they&#8217;d like.  If someone is convicted in a jury trial, but would have been acquitted had the jury been aware of some fact the judge kept from them, the person was not convicted by the jury&#8211;the person was illegitimately convicted by the judge (in violation of the Sixth Amendment).</p>
<p>If courts actually followed the Constitution, Cory Maye and Ryan Frederick would have been allowed to ask the jury to determine, among other things:</p>
<p>-1- Bearing in mind that the jury may be aware of things a warrant- judge was not, did the police in fact have probable cause to believe that (a) a particular crime was committed, and (b) a search of the defendant&#8217;s particular premises would find some particular evidence of that crime.</p>
<p>-2- Was the warrant issued on the basis of sworn statements which truthfully and non-deceptively related the personal knowledge of the person making them.  Again, the jury may have information which the warrant judge does not.</p>
<p>-3- Was the search conducted in reasonable fashion to justify risk or harm to persons or property.  A warrant judge cannot be expected to have looked at this since the search won&#8217;t have been conducted until after his involvement was complete.</p>
<p>Searches which do not comply with all three of the above requirements are illegitimate.  People who illegitimately break into occupied properties with the intention of accosting anyone who might be inside are robbers, regardless of their employment.</p>
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		<title>By: Chance</title>
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		<dc:creator>Chance</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 18 Nov 2009 17:17:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[This case is what led me to this website, and while I&#039;ve soured on other aspects of it (I hold a less favorable opinion of libertarianism than when I first visited) your work on this case is top notch, and deserves as every bit of praise.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This case is what led me to this website, and while I&#8217;ve soured on other aspects of it (I hold a less favorable opinion of libertarianism than when I first visited) your work on this case is top notch, and deserves as every bit of praise.</p>
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		<title>By: Zargon</title>
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		<dc:creator>Zargon</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 18 Nov 2009 15:14:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[&lt;blockquote&gt;#39
Let the questioning occur, but monitor it to ensure the data is related to the case.&lt;/blockquote&gt;
This exact line of reasoning is what&#039;s been used in the past to forbid evidence pertaining to Hayne&#039;s incompetence.  

There was a case where Hayne was testifying, and the defense wanted to show that video (a difference case) where Hayne created teeth marks on the deceased with the suspect&#039;s dental mold.

The judge denied the request, saying it was a different case, and thus irrelevant, basically telling them to come up with video of Hayne manufacturing evidence in this particular case - or fuck off.  I seem to recall that defendant was convicted, but I&#039;m not sure.

This case is going to be decided before opening arguments, at voir dire.  Hopefully somebody in that room will have second or third hand experience with the local PD and be smart enough to not admit it.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>#39<br />
Let the questioning occur, but monitor it to ensure the data is related to the case.</p></blockquote>
<p>This exact line of reasoning is what&#8217;s been used in the past to forbid evidence pertaining to Hayne&#8217;s incompetence.  </p>
<p>There was a case where Hayne was testifying, and the defense wanted to show that video (a difference case) where Hayne created teeth marks on the deceased with the suspect&#8217;s dental mold.</p>
<p>The judge denied the request, saying it was a different case, and thus irrelevant, basically telling them to come up with video of Hayne manufacturing evidence in this particular case &#8211; or fuck off.  I seem to recall that defendant was convicted, but I&#8217;m not sure.</p>
<p>This case is going to be decided before opening arguments, at voir dire.  Hopefully somebody in that room will have second or third hand experience with the local PD and be smart enough to not admit it.</p>
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		<title>By: Jane</title>
		<link>http://www.theagitator.com/2009/11/17/cory-maye-gets-a-new-trial/comment-page-2/#comment-374476</link>
		<dc:creator>Jane</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 18 Nov 2009 14:50:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Randy - what you say seems reasonable.  Unfortunately, jurors seem to have an affinity for charlatans.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Randy &#8211; what you say seems reasonable.  Unfortunately, jurors seem to have an affinity for charlatans.</p>
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		<title>By: Randy Richardson</title>
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		<dc:creator>Randy Richardson</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 18 Nov 2009 14:13:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[It seems that Dr. Hayne would have been reduced to irrelevance a long time ago had there been expert witnesses of stature to counter his testimony in the cases where he has testified.

It also seems that if Mr. Maye&#039;s current defense team have the resources to get such witnesses (the more the better), it will strike a blow for truth and justice.

Tell me where I&#039;m wrong.  I&#039;m definitely not a lawyer so I&#039;m probably hopelessly naive.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It seems that Dr. Hayne would have been reduced to irrelevance a long time ago had there been expert witnesses of stature to counter his testimony in the cases where he has testified.</p>
<p>It also seems that if Mr. Maye&#8217;s current defense team have the resources to get such witnesses (the more the better), it will strike a blow for truth and justice.</p>
<p>Tell me where I&#8217;m wrong.  I&#8217;m definitely not a lawyer so I&#8217;m probably hopelessly naive.</p>
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		<title>By: Bourgeois_Rage</title>
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		<dc:creator>Bourgeois_Rage</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 18 Nov 2009 13:36:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Good news!]]></description>
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		<title>By: Billy Beck</title>
		<link>http://www.theagitator.com/2009/11/17/cory-maye-gets-a-new-trial/comment-page-1/#comment-374469</link>
		<dc:creator>Billy Beck</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 18 Nov 2009 12:58:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Good for you, Radley.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Good for you, Radley.</p>
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		<title>By: Frank</title>
		<link>http://www.theagitator.com/2009/11/17/cory-maye-gets-a-new-trial/comment-page-1/#comment-374464</link>
		<dc:creator>Frank</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 18 Nov 2009 12:26:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[#49 Police harassment on a daily basis is a given.  He&#039;s not going to be able to walk out his front door without a Terry Stop.  And I wouldn&#039;t put it past them to plant drugs in his home so they can get him in prison any way they can.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>#49 Police harassment on a daily basis is a given.  He&#8217;s not going to be able to walk out his front door without a Terry Stop.  And I wouldn&#8217;t put it past them to plant drugs in his home so they can get him in prison any way they can.</p>
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		<title>By: the friendly grizzly</title>
		<link>http://www.theagitator.com/2009/11/17/cory-maye-gets-a-new-trial/comment-page-1/#comment-374460</link>
		<dc:creator>the friendly grizzly</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 18 Nov 2009 11:05:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[What will Corey Maye&#039;s life be like if indeed he&#039;s found not guilty?  

What living hell do those with a vested interest in seeing him rot in a cell have planned for this man?]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>What will Corey Maye&#8217;s life be like if indeed he&#8217;s found not guilty?  </p>
<p>What living hell do those with a vested interest in seeing him rot in a cell have planned for this man?</p>
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		<title>By: Nick</title>
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		<dc:creator>Nick</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 18 Nov 2009 07:51:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Change of venue.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Change of venue.</p>
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		<title>By: Mona</title>
		<link>http://www.theagitator.com/2009/11/17/cory-maye-gets-a-new-trial/comment-page-1/#comment-374455</link>
		<dc:creator>Mona</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 18 Nov 2009 06:31:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[&lt;b&gt;rangerjag,&lt;/b&gt; you are so correct. I wrote the brief in a winning appeal in the federal 2nd Cir., and at oral argument, my partner was asked by a panel member why the heck we didn&#039;t appeal the evidentiary rulings. I wanted to scream. It was a civil case, and federal appellate courts reverse evidentiary rulings in civil cases, oh, maybe 1% of the time. (A federal district judge who wants to screw your civil case does it that way -- by excluding your evidence.)

We made the tactical decision not to appeal those horrific evidentiary rulings, since we concluded it could complicate or even prejudice our appeal. We got the new trial anyway (based on manifestly wrong jury instructions), so it did not end up mattering; we got a nice award for the client.

&lt;b&gt;Radley&lt;/b&gt; As others have noted, if you accomplished nothing more in your young life, this is so, so big and important. My respect for you is boundless.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><b>rangerjag,</b> you are so correct. I wrote the brief in a winning appeal in the federal 2nd Cir., and at oral argument, my partner was asked by a panel member why the heck we didn&#8217;t appeal the evidentiary rulings. I wanted to scream. It was a civil case, and federal appellate courts reverse evidentiary rulings in civil cases, oh, maybe 1% of the time. (A federal district judge who wants to screw your civil case does it that way &#8212; by excluding your evidence.)</p>
<p>We made the tactical decision not to appeal those horrific evidentiary rulings, since we concluded it could complicate or even prejudice our appeal. We got the new trial anyway (based on manifestly wrong jury instructions), so it did not end up mattering; we got a nice award for the client.</p>
<p><b>Radley</b> As others have noted, if you accomplished nothing more in your young life, this is so, so big and important. My respect for you is boundless.</p>
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		<title>By: Lucy</title>
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		<dc:creator>Lucy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 18 Nov 2009 05:19:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[YES YES YES HELL YES.

Keep up the good work and keep us informed, Radley.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>YES YES YES HELL YES.</p>
<p>Keep up the good work and keep us informed, Radley.</p>
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		<title>By: Disneychick</title>
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		<dc:creator>Disneychick</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 18 Nov 2009 05:16:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[This is wonderful news. Please keep us posted.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This is wonderful news. Please keep us posted.</p>
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		<title>By: rangerjag</title>
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		<dc:creator>rangerjag</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 18 Nov 2009 04:21:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[To the non-attorney, this may not make sense BUT, Appeals Courts almost always choose the most narrow and technical and least offensive way to reverse a case.  They may truly agree with many of the objections of the appealing party, but the safe way to reverse is to pick some innocuous way to reverse and not address all the controversial reasons.  For one thing, it makes it easier to get the other judges to vote for the ultimate result (reversal) without buying into the substantive arguments.  While no experienced trial lawyer will tell you they can predict a jury, having a top notch defense team and being able to analyze all the mistakes from the first trial can make a big difference.  Also, anyone ignoring the racial aspect, which might work in Cory&#039;s favor, is being PC, not living in the real world.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>To the non-attorney, this may not make sense BUT, Appeals Courts almost always choose the most narrow and technical and least offensive way to reverse a case.  They may truly agree with many of the objections of the appealing party, but the safe way to reverse is to pick some innocuous way to reverse and not address all the controversial reasons.  For one thing, it makes it easier to get the other judges to vote for the ultimate result (reversal) without buying into the substantive arguments.  While no experienced trial lawyer will tell you they can predict a jury, having a top notch defense team and being able to analyze all the mistakes from the first trial can make a big difference.  Also, anyone ignoring the racial aspect, which might work in Cory&#8217;s favor, is being PC, not living in the real world.</p>
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		<title>By: Bill Anderson</title>
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		<dc:creator>Bill Anderson</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 18 Nov 2009 03:49:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Good gosh! One only can hope that Hayne gets raked over the coals. In my view, the man should be arrested and tried and should face the same penalties that others have received because of his lies.

I would like to say this is shocking, but given what I have seen and written about regarding Amerikan justice, it really is no surprise at all that a lying fraud like Steven Hayne is even permitted to step inside a courtroom at all. The only reason he should be in court is to be in the dock, period.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Good gosh! One only can hope that Hayne gets raked over the coals. In my view, the man should be arrested and tried and should face the same penalties that others have received because of his lies.</p>
<p>I would like to say this is shocking, but given what I have seen and written about regarding Amerikan justice, it really is no surprise at all that a lying fraud like Steven Hayne is even permitted to step inside a courtroom at all. The only reason he should be in court is to be in the dock, period.</p>
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		<title>By: All Libertarians Only Care About Taxes and White People &#167; Unqualified Offerings</title>
		<link>http://www.theagitator.com/2009/11/17/cory-maye-gets-a-new-trial/comment-page-1/#comment-374445</link>
		<dc:creator>All Libertarians Only Care About Taxes and White People &#167; Unqualified Offerings</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 18 Nov 2009 02:32:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[[...] that, right? Well Radley Balko&#8217;s Pulitzer-worthy journalism was the sine qua non of this. Or at least, his publicity-generating investigations mean that Cory Maye will now have a superb [...]]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] that, right? Well Radley Balko&#8217;s Pulitzer-worthy journalism was the sine qua non of this. Or at least, his publicity-generating investigations mean that Cory Maye will now have a superb [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Gonzo</title>
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		<dc:creator>Gonzo</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 18 Nov 2009 02:31:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Wonderful news. Good luck to all, and thanks Radley for keeping us all so informed.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Wonderful news. Good luck to all, and thanks Radley for keeping us all so informed.</p>
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