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	<description>It rankles me when somebody tries to tell somebody what to do.</description>
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		<title>By: markm</title>
		<link>http://www.theagitator.com/2009/11/14/saturday-linksopen-thread-19/comment-page-1/#comment-374484</link>
		<dc:creator>markm</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 18 Nov 2009 15:44:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I was going to suggest that someone should photograph the IL cops&#039; personal cars and see how many air fresheners, fuzzy dice, and plastic Jesuses are hanging from the rear view mirrors, but Aresen went one better:

&quot;About 1/3 of the cop cars I have seen have their radio mike looped over their rearview mirrors. But, of course, the law doesn’t apply to them.&quot;

Still, it would be interesting to go into court with a couple of photos and ask Officer Unfriendly about the windshield obstructions in his personal and duty cars...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I was going to suggest that someone should photograph the IL cops&#8217; personal cars and see how many air fresheners, fuzzy dice, and plastic Jesuses are hanging from the rear view mirrors, but Aresen went one better:</p>
<p>&#8220;About 1/3 of the cop cars I have seen have their radio mike looped over their rearview mirrors. But, of course, the law doesn’t apply to them.&#8221;</p>
<p>Still, it would be interesting to go into court with a couple of photos and ask Officer Unfriendly about the windshield obstructions in his personal and duty cars&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: What are Throatpunch.com readers looking for? &#171; Throatpunch</title>
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		<dc:creator>What are Throatpunch.com readers looking for? &#171; Throatpunch</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 18 Nov 2009 11:21:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] are Throatpunch.com readers looking for?  After making The Agitator&#8217;s Morning Links and Hit &amp; Run&#8217;s front page this site had an enormous spike in traffic. Hell, within a few [...]</description>
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		<title>By: Woog</title>
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		<dc:creator>Woog</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 18 Nov 2009 02:03:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The last time I travelled by air, the TSA fools attempted to confiscate a quart-sized ziplock baggie.

Some people may not mind the aroma and taste of soap on their toothbrush, but I sure do. 

Having a micro-sized bar of soap inside a ziplock baggie stored inside another ziplock baggie containing paste and brush proved too much for the TSA agent&#039;s fragile little mind.

I&#039;d indulged in a split-second of slack-jawed amazement upon hearing that my second baggie would be confiscated... before uttering &quot;gimme back by bag&quot; and snatching it from his fingers.

In retrospect, I believe I am lucky to be alive.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The last time I travelled by air, the TSA fools attempted to confiscate a quart-sized ziplock baggie.</p>
<p>Some people may not mind the aroma and taste of soap on their toothbrush, but I sure do. </p>
<p>Having a micro-sized bar of soap inside a ziplock baggie stored inside another ziplock baggie containing paste and brush proved too much for the TSA agent&#8217;s fragile little mind.</p>
<p>I&#8217;d indulged in a split-second of slack-jawed amazement upon hearing that my second baggie would be confiscated&#8230; before uttering &#8220;gimme back by bag&#8221; and snatching it from his fingers.</p>
<p>In retrospect, I believe I am lucky to be alive.</p>
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		<title>By: Packratt</title>
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		<dc:creator>Packratt</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 16 Nov 2009 00:35:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Aresen,

While Radley put up a post devoted to this one, which is great, I figured you deserve a reply here.

It is a part of the problem that small towns that lower their standards so they can hire on someone at a rate they feel they can afford, but not isolated to WV. After all there was the recent case of Michael Meissner in Texas who jumped around from small town to small town as a police chief / lone officer while running a child porn business and extortion racket on the side. (http://www.injusticeeverywhere.com/?p=925)

Of course, another portion of the problem is that, from state to state, there are different standards used and different criteria for pulling a police officer&#039;s certificate, and in some states you can&#039;t... and so long as a criminal history doesn&#039;t include a felony, the officer can keep skipping from department to department.

Also, the other portion of the problem is that, since personnel records are a closely guarded secret, one department may not be able to see a prospective candidate&#039;s misconduct record and history. Sure, a small town getting a deal might not check too hard to see why it&#039;s getting a deal on a cop, but it doesn&#039;t help that it&#039;s so hard to track these guys and their histories.

It&#039;s a complex problem... and this guy definitely isn&#039;t the only one out there.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Aresen,</p>
<p>While Radley put up a post devoted to this one, which is great, I figured you deserve a reply here.</p>
<p>It is a part of the problem that small towns that lower their standards so they can hire on someone at a rate they feel they can afford, but not isolated to WV. After all there was the recent case of Michael Meissner in Texas who jumped around from small town to small town as a police chief / lone officer while running a child porn business and extortion racket on the side. (<a href="http://www.injusticeeverywhere.com/?p=925" rel="nofollow">http://www.injusticeeverywhere.com/?p=925</a>)</p>
<p>Of course, another portion of the problem is that, from state to state, there are different standards used and different criteria for pulling a police officer&#8217;s certificate, and in some states you can&#8217;t&#8230; and so long as a criminal history doesn&#8217;t include a felony, the officer can keep skipping from department to department.</p>
<p>Also, the other portion of the problem is that, since personnel records are a closely guarded secret, one department may not be able to see a prospective candidate&#8217;s misconduct record and history. Sure, a small town getting a deal might not check too hard to see why it&#8217;s getting a deal on a cop, but it doesn&#8217;t help that it&#8217;s so hard to track these guys and their histories.</p>
<p>It&#8217;s a complex problem&#8230; and this guy definitely isn&#8217;t the only one out there.</p>
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		<title>By: pam</title>
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		<dc:creator>pam</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 15 Nov 2009 23:26:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>what about the plastic Jesus, would that be obstructive?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>what about the plastic Jesus, would that be obstructive?</p>
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		<title>By: Aresen</title>
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		<dc:creator>Aresen</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 15 Nov 2009 23:13:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Packratt

From the article, I get the impression that the problem is as much small towns trying to circumvent hiring restrictions as the &quot;officers&quot; themselves.

There seems to be an implication in the thread that, if the small towns paid better, they&#039;d get a better quality of applicant.

OTOH, I suspect the &quot;gypsy cops&quot; are barrel-scrapings who keep going back to the only &quot;job&quot; they &quot;know&quot;. (I wouldn&#039;t be surprized if there was an element of power-tripping in their motivation, however.)

Finally, I wonder how much of this ability to be rehired is a product of the &quot;thin blue line&quot; taking care of their own.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Packratt</p>
<p>From the article, I get the impression that the problem is as much small towns trying to circumvent hiring restrictions as the &#8220;officers&#8221; themselves.</p>
<p>There seems to be an implication in the thread that, if the small towns paid better, they&#8217;d get a better quality of applicant.</p>
<p>OTOH, I suspect the &#8220;gypsy cops&#8221; are barrel-scrapings who keep going back to the only &#8220;job&#8221; they &#8220;know&#8221;. (I wouldn&#8217;t be surprized if there was an element of power-tripping in their motivation, however.)</p>
<p>Finally, I wonder how much of this ability to be rehired is a product of the &#8220;thin blue line&#8221; taking care of their own.</p>
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		<title>By: Packratt</title>
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		<dc:creator>Packratt</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 15 Nov 2009 20:46:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@39,

Oh, I already have him in our statistical database for his conviction, just didn&#039;t see the timeline. I&#039;m thinking about doing a piece about him and a few other gypsy cops so that was a good find for that, thanks!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@39,</p>
<p>Oh, I already have him in our statistical database for his conviction, just didn&#8217;t see the timeline. I&#8217;m thinking about doing a piece about him and a few other gypsy cops so that was a good find for that, thanks!</p>
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		<title>By: MacGregory</title>
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		<dc:creator>MacGregory</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 15 Nov 2009 20:30:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Packratt
Same douchebag, more detail:

http://wvgazette.com/News/200911140678</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Packratt<br />
Same douchebag, more detail:</p>
<p><a href="http://wvgazette.com/News/200911140678" rel="nofollow">http://wvgazette.com/News/200911140678</a></p>
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		<title>By: Packratt</title>
		<link>http://www.theagitator.com/2009/11/14/saturday-linksopen-thread-19/comment-page-1/#comment-374079</link>
		<dc:creator>Packratt</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 15 Nov 2009 20:09:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@37

Thanks for posting that MacGregory, I just added it to our news feed. Don&#039;t often get the chance to peer into the history of a gypsy cop like that.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@37</p>
<p>Thanks for posting that MacGregory, I just added it to our news feed. Don&#8217;t often get the chance to peer into the history of a gypsy cop like that.</p>
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		<title>By: MacGregory</title>
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		<dc:creator>MacGregory</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 15 Nov 2009 18:00:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Matthew Leavitt: From job to job, year to year

http://www.wvgazette.com/News/200911150269 

A chronology of how a bad cop moves from town to town getting hired as a cop despite his record.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Matthew Leavitt: From job to job, year to year</p>
<p><a href="http://www.wvgazette.com/News/200911150269" rel="nofollow">http://www.wvgazette.com/News/200911150269</a> </p>
<p>A chronology of how a bad cop moves from town to town getting hired as a cop despite his record.</p>
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		<title>By: Aresen</title>
		<link>http://www.theagitator.com/2009/11/14/saturday-linksopen-thread-19/comment-page-1/#comment-374063</link>
		<dc:creator>Aresen</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 15 Nov 2009 17:12:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blocKquote&gt;
&#124;  Kristen &#124;  November 15th, 2009 at 10:18 am 

On the Georgia case: they’ve probably spent assloads of money gathering evidence and hiring experts, but somehow can’t scrounge up enough for a lawyer for the accused.
&lt;/blockquote&gt;

Not to mention the possibility of how embarassing it would be if, after a lawyer was hired, he might look at the evidence and find that they arrested the wrong man.</description>
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|  Kristen |  November 15th, 2009 at 10:18 am </p>
<p>On the Georgia case: they’ve probably spent assloads of money gathering evidence and hiring experts, but somehow can’t scrounge up enough for a lawyer for the accused.
</p></blockquote>
<p>Not to mention the possibility of how embarassing it would be if, after a lawyer was hired, he might look at the evidence and find that they arrested the wrong man.</p>
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		<title>By: Paco</title>
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		<dc:creator>Paco</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 15 Nov 2009 15:24:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>As a police officer, I can tell you what I was taught in a &quot;drug interdiction&quot; class about rear-view mirror stops.

Cops pull people over for that to build a HISTORY that it is a normal/common reason for stops.

That way, when they do get the &quot;lucky&quot; stop that turns up drugs/guns/etc. they can pull out their hundreds/thousands of prior stops (documented via warning notices, usually not citations) so that the defense can&#039;t say it was an isolated/unconstitutional stop.

Paco</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>As a police officer, I can tell you what I was taught in a &#8220;drug interdiction&#8221; class about rear-view mirror stops.</p>
<p>Cops pull people over for that to build a HISTORY that it is a normal/common reason for stops.</p>
<p>That way, when they do get the &#8220;lucky&#8221; stop that turns up drugs/guns/etc. they can pull out their hundreds/thousands of prior stops (documented via warning notices, usually not citations) so that the defense can&#8217;t say it was an isolated/unconstitutional stop.</p>
<p>Paco</p>
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		<title>By: Kristen</title>
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		<dc:creator>Kristen</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 15 Nov 2009 14:18:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>On the Georgia case: they&#039;ve probably spent assloads of money gathering evidence and hiring experts, but somehow can&#039;t scrounge up enough for a lawyer for the accused.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>On the Georgia case: they&#8217;ve probably spent assloads of money gathering evidence and hiring experts, but somehow can&#8217;t scrounge up enough for a lawyer for the accused.</p>
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		<title>By: Reverse Commerce Claws</title>
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		<dc:creator>Reverse Commerce Claws</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 15 Nov 2009 13:33:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I believe that if you drive into California with a New York car bearing the required (in NYS) inspection and reg stickers in the required (in NYS) manner, then you will necessarily be in violation of the California windshield obstruction statute.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I believe that if you drive into California with a New York car bearing the required (in NYS) inspection and reg stickers in the required (in NYS) manner, then you will necessarily be in violation of the California windshield obstruction statute.</p>
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		<title>By: Waste</title>
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		<dc:creator>Waste</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 15 Nov 2009 04:30:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>In regards to the GA case. Easy solution. Court orders a trial and the money is to be appropriated from the Legislatures budget. That would get them to resolve the issue fairly quickly.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In regards to the GA case. Easy solution. Court orders a trial and the money is to be appropriated from the Legislatures budget. That would get them to resolve the issue fairly quickly.</p>
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		<title>By: Matt</title>
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		<dc:creator>Matt</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 15 Nov 2009 03:27:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I used to live in Illinois and I knew about the obstruction of window bullshit since I was a youngin. They&#039;ve been doing that for decades and it&#039;s pretty retarded..</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I used to live in Illinois and I knew about the obstruction of window bullshit since I was a youngin. They&#8217;ve been doing that for decades and it&#8217;s pretty retarded..</p>
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		<title>By: Highway</title>
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		<dc:creator>Highway</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 15 Nov 2009 02:02:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>SamK, that&#039;s really just unbelievable.  The principal is the pettiest of small pond rulers.  I think the whole thing is basically coming down to &#039;Respect mah authoritah!!!&#039; on the part of that small-minded thug.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>SamK, that&#8217;s really just unbelievable.  The principal is the pettiest of small pond rulers.  I think the whole thing is basically coming down to &#8216;Respect mah authoritah!!!&#8217; on the part of that small-minded thug.</p>
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		<title>By: SamK</title>
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		<dc:creator>SamK</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 15 Nov 2009 01:53:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Haven&#039;t talked much recently about how few rights you have as a teenager, so I thought I&#039;d throw one into the random rights post :)

http://theodoramichaels.com/articles/meep.php</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Haven&#8217;t talked much recently about how few rights you have as a teenager, so I thought I&#8217;d throw one into the random rights post :)</p>
<p><a href="http://theodoramichaels.com/articles/meep.php" rel="nofollow">http://theodoramichaels.com/articles/meep.php</a></p>
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		<title>By: JS</title>
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		<dc:creator>JS</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 14 Nov 2009 23:54:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Bots Durkin &quot;In the USSA, everything is a privilege…and don’t you forget it punk.&quot;

Because we are endowed by our ruling elite with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are whatever in their great condescension they are willing to allow us at that particular time.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Bots Durkin &#8220;In the USSA, everything is a privilege…and don’t you forget it punk.&#8221;</p>
<p>Because we are endowed by our ruling elite with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are whatever in their great condescension they are willing to allow us at that particular time.</p>
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		<title>By: Boyd Durkin</title>
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		<dc:creator>Boyd Durkin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 14 Nov 2009 23:21:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>In the USSA, everything is a privilege...and don&#039;t you forget it punk.</description>
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